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Threaten tro kill? How? Please sahara should CEASE FROM SENSATIONALISM OR GIVE US HARD FACTS AND PROOFS. THE NATION IS NOT IN A STATE FOR SUCH CONJECTURING.

na wao!!!!

it is too close to the mundial

]@adeniyi83
[color=#990000]Let her go and sit down somewhere jo!!! I hate that woman sef, always popping her eyeballs on TV. Send her lazy a** back to NAFDAC, so she can go after pure water sellers.

why do you hate her adeniyi? For popping her eyeballs on tv? We really do not cherish our heroes or heroines that's why wee keep getting the likes of Aondakaa.

I am really surprised to know that Jonathan is this decisive. He may yet have more surprises up his sleeve.

@konfessor.

Way to go brother. Way to start the new year friend.

can we know the identity of thes so called claimants? the fact their identity is hidden makes me smell a rat.

@ KunleOshob
I have nothing more to say to Kunle but these concluding words of my long appeal.


I have read other post where other fellows appealed to you to backtrack. Many words are enough for the genuine seeker of truth but of course not for the proud or all knowing, or someone's tool or apostate or antichrist and i do hope that you are none of the above and that you are not engaging in these practices for fun but are a sincere seeker of the truth and salvation.
God's grace.

@The Light2

Most of your posts you've made yourself or have been made the Apologist-general of T.B Joshua. Sorry Iam not an appologist for BIshop MIke, Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Adeboye or any other of these men that I have made posts in their defence. None of them is infallible or perfect so why should i be their apologists. It is mainly cultists that have need of apologists and PR strategists to propagate the larger than life images they wish to present to the world. You do not have to always have to react like a rattlesnake when T.B. joshua is mentioned without perusing the context. Why should his name not be mentioned if one wants to draw a lesson from it. Even God does not kill atheists for mentioning his name even when they are derogatory but tries to help them see Him in a the right light so they can repent. In my post I was showing the futility of trying to die or kill another person because of your dogma and i used examples of former devotees of Joshua as well as other examples to butress that and to you that eqauls judging T.B. Joshua. na wao. Your challenge should be directed to those former devotees not me. When disciples of Okonkwo, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, Oyedepo, etc come out and denounce them, we shall also use them as examples in relevant scenarios because as you righly pointed out I am a free member of NL and so entitled to use relevant examples to buttress my points whosever ox is gored. THAT IS NOT JUDGEMENT.

MY interest is presenting balanced alternative opinions of the other side of these men of God that are being maligned by those I suppose to be fellow christians mainly because of a conflict on beliefs on thithing and offerings so that they can look at my points and be less in a hurry to malign them lest they incur God's wrath. Thanks all the same for telling me not to judge others for I believe in that. Fake men of God will be exposed as time goes on. I'm not interested in playing God over any of them.

@49cents

I do not understand your logic in asking if Paul had a ship. Please go through my posts thoroughly to understand the points i am making. Is your argument that if paul had the access to acquiring a tool that will help him be more effective in reaching the whole world with the gospel that he would not acquire it because he would need to collect tithes before he could and that that would impoveirish his congregation? Does it occur to you that in Pauls writings, he made statements showing that he  wished he did more even though he arguably did more than others? My argument is that the task is "world evangelization" and if a ship or jet or even a rocket is needed to help accomplish that, God is able to provide it to his servants with or without tithes and offerings. If He does , do not demonize them since even your premise for that is not certain ie you do not know through what means they acquired it. Any sincere seeker would always know that doctrinal arguments are not settled by a winner or loser verdict and so opposers to thithing do not have to call those who believe in it criminals, scammers,and such derogatory words and vice versa and use that to demonize everything they do as a product of thithing and fleecing their congregation. Those are terms usually employed by those who are desperate to win unwinnable arguments in order to shock the other side into silence. But does the louder or more insultive debater neccesarily mean the presenter of truth. As christians we can always agree to disagree with decorum unless we all are not and some are just engaging in an intellctual exercise. If so I will be the first to stop my arguments in light of the fact that to the carnal, spiritual things are foolishness because they are spiritually discerned.

i see kunle that you have decided not to listen to reason but to be occupied with only your views and interpretations despite my counsel to have an open mind to others.
You frighteningly make unsubstantiated and bogus assertions. You keep quoting peter out of context.You have not travelled with these men yet you have given a summary of their preaching itinerary as to only established churches and for honoraria. You have concluded that they do not preach in our villages, neigbhouring northern or southern Muslims and west African neighbours, yet without any proofs nor evidence to support your assertions. It then proves that you are out for just criticisms. If not you would have supplied evidence to such bogus assertions and then leave your readers to arrive at their verdicts. instead you try to ram your views down our throats without proofs. this is pure intellectual intimidation and terrorism. Careful friend.

.Kunle, do you really think that the fact that you are still alive and kicking shows that God approves of your slander on men of God. Please do not mistake the longsuffering of God for your repentance for approval. I do not know whether you are a christian or not but I know that Christ's commission to the Church is to take the gospel to the ends of the earth and this includes doing it with all tools at our disposal including  a jet plane. Bishop Oyedepo can preach in twenty different countries in a week and still be at Ota on sunday to teach his disciples because of the tool of the plane. This is even more urgent now that the end is near. Please do you really think that these men just want to belong to the class of men who own a jet? Won’t that be crazy at their age and standing in life. On the other hand do you think for fear of criticism or being accused of ostantatious living they should disobey heaven who provided  such tools and gave them the commission? No way. Any man who is worth his salt can not be apologetic about what he believes in. You do not know the source of these jets but you are so sure they are from the tithes and offerings of their congregations which you and your group have been crusading against on Nairaland .I ask you; Christ's commission to the church is it to lead a crusade against tithing  or sit on God's throne, releasing the list of the true and false men of God?  On the matter of charitableness which you rightly advocate, Kunle do you have the resume of these men on that.? My little enquiries revealed that the records of many of them are oustanding but you emphasize on that to the detriment of the others, ie preaching the gospel, the same thing Christ told the pharisees. The gospel must be wholly preached not only one side of it. you cannot remove prosperity and emphasize only on humility and frugality nor remove holiness and preach only on blessings. In my 25 years of studyind the scriptures,
christian literature, church history and church activities , i have found people who were ready to die for a certain doctrine today and tomorrow, they are the chief propagators of the same doctrine they opposed like Saul of Tarsus. I have seen people who were adamant against tithing only to later change their views with better insight. i also opposed tithing at at some points in my life till i got better knowledge. I also have rad the testimonies of former devotees of T.B. Joshua who are now exposing the things they were made to do including trying to destroy the reputations of men of God as you have been doing in Nairaland. Obviosly there are fake men of God but you can not be the judge. They will also be exposed in due course.i urge you to try and accomodate others with different understandings of scriptural doctrines so that you will not be in a hurry to label them "common criminals", "false men of God" etc, in the process attracting God's wrath to yourself especially as you yourself and everybody else  did not receive like Moses these scriptures directly from God and therfore are not experts in their interpretation. The matter of even proper translations from the original languages are another matter i do not want to go into here. I have read other post where other fellows appealed to you to backtrack. Many words are enough for the genuine seeker of truth but of course not for the proud or all knowing, or someone's tool or apostate or antichrist and i do hope that you are none of the above and that you are not engaging in these practices for fun but are a sincere seeker of the truth and salvation.
God's grace.

KunleOshob:
What is so great about a common criminal who is twisting the word of God to make merchandise of his deluded congregation

Titus 1:11:
11 They must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it only for

I shudder at your boldness, kunle. You are actually quoting the scriptures as your authority for calling a man of God "a common criminal." I doubt very much the difference in the tactics the antichrist will use to blaspheme christ during his time. Certainly, copious  but distorted and out-of -context quotes from the holy book will be employed as his master did during the temptationtion then. If Bishop Mike sees such atrocious slander, he should keep in mind this my observation and respond the way his Master did, ie "get thee behind me satan". He should discern the spirit in operation in many of the bloggers here.

can one give us our rating on internet usage in proportion to population before we start beating our chest

konfessor:
and are you sure he is a man of God? na wah for nigerians oh! even if the devil himself comes and gives himself a title of bishop and claims to be a man of God, still una go belive. God help you all

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And you are so sure that he is not that you are willing to risk God's wrath. If you are done please can you let God back on his throne and resume in your confessor's booth

SEE FOLLOW-UP:On the other hand, if this economy were free and we say we are doing a million houses and two of you decide to form a company making doors. You are producing 50,000 doors a year at N25,000; that’s good money. You don’t need to see any governor or Minister because you would be busy. If a governor wants to see you, what is it about because you have a schedule. Your products are in demand; you have distributors waiting and you want your boys to work three shifts.

You don’t have time looking for Senator XYZ or former this and that because you are busy. We are spending over a billion dollars importing tiles every year from Switzerland, Spain and Portugal and Italy. There is clay, there is kaolin and water to make tiles here, make paint and make nails. Imagine the boom. But you can’t do it. You can’t raise a bank loan and the opportunities are just closed. You have no electricity. Greece is a country of nine million people. They have 10 refineries. Abu Dhabi is the capital of United Arab Emirates.

There are 1.5 million people there. They have 11,000 megawatts for 1.5 million people. We are trying to get 6,000 megawatts for 130 million. We are now at the manufacturing levels of 1960 in this country. Go to Ogba and Ikeja in Lagos and see factories that are shut down. Go to the Southeast where the Igbo really wanted to manufacture. Go through there and see carcasses of industries.

AUDU OGBE ON SUNDAY SUN, NOV 22, 2009.

We met once and they asked me to return to the party and I said I’m not coming back. We are in the same country. Let’s do a housing programme for a million apartments per annum so that mortgages can begin to happen. We all came.

We got a good apartment in Utako and they said it’s N10 million and that we have 15 years to pay. You know you are paying towards ownership, not to a shark of a landlord who is asking you N1.5 million. Tomorrow, he says he has doubled it and if you don’t like, you pack. Which young man in London goes looking for a plot? He looks for an apartment. In Germany, France and the U.S., it’s out of date looking for plot. Even the plot now is too difficult to get. You buy your apartment and you have 15 years to pay at maybe 5 per cent interest. They said it was a great idea. We worked it out to create 27 million jobs. I said 200,000 in Lagos, 200,000 in Abuja, 200,000 in Port Harcourt, Ibadan, Kano, Onitsha a hundred thousand each. The rest of the place, at least 20,000 and 30,000, including university hostels. Imagine the jobs for those delivering sharp sand, laterite, tipper drivers, quarries, tillers, electricians, architects, painters.

That’s how Singapore grew. Last month, they gave N2 billion to governors to share. On the other hand, if that money had gone into housing, you can imagine the boom. Add that to agric and you would have mopped up all the unemployment and reduced the crime rate.
AUDU OGBE ON SUNDAY SUN, NOV 22 2009.

what's really the problem of these bloggers? belly aching, blasphemy, judgemental or what? frredom of speech should not make you consign your self to God's punishment. Who are you that judges another man's servant. To his master he stands or falls.

what's really the problem of these bloggers? belly aching, blasphemy, judgemental or what? frredom of speech should not make you consign your self to God's punishment. Who are you that judges another man's servant. To his master he stands or falls.

what is really your problem?