butterflyl1on:


So far all you have posted have been shown not to be contradictions so what MORE contradictions are you still referring to?

of course in your delusions they are not contradictions. oya answer this bible quiz


Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a)Jacob (b)Heli (c) butterflyl1on (d)his parents were gay so he had two dads (e)all of the above

clues to the answer below


Mathew 1:16

16and Jacob the father of s Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham


Luke 3:23

New International Version (NIV)
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli,

butterflyl1on:


So far all you have posted have been shown not to be contradictions so what MORE contradictions are you still referring to?

of course in your delusions they are not contradictions. oya answer this bible quiz


Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a)Jacob (b)Heli (c) butterflyl1on (d)his parents were gay so he had two dads (e)all of the above

clues to the answer below


Mathew 1:16

16and Jacob the father of s Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham


Luke 3:23

New International Version (NIV)
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
Luke 3:23 in all English translations 23
the son of Heli,

danvon:
They will love this topic they will never open a thread asking theist to present the contradictions for evolution theory
..evolution theory itself is so confusing some of them don't even understand it just like the Juche ideology

don't derail the topic pls more contradictions coming...

dalaman:



So epigenetic changes happen when mating in front of the white-streaked branches?

Keep telling lies for Jesus.

Epigenetics does NOT affect genes over all. So what the hell are you saying?

why are you spoiling my parole na? see me thinking I have finally figured out how to have blue eyed babies

OkCornel:


so sorry bro... the 33,000 denominations are reading different versions of the Bible...

take out personal time to research on the differences between King James Version or 1599 Geneva version to perhaps New Living Translation or Good news bible...

You'll begin to see the taproot of the confusion in the church...

exactly my point. different edited versions of the original bible written by over 40 flawed individuals should be believed with a pinch of salt. the bible wether English, Igbo, Hebrew or French is not infallible.

like Muslims say when they want to mock Christians ( even tho in their delusion they forget they have the same problem) ------ only a lie has different versions

modified

bible quiz

who incited David to count the fighting men of israel

(A) the lord (B) Satan (C) emmanystone (D)A &B (E) all of the above


clue to the answer below


(2 Samuel 24: 1)

Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."


1 Chronicles 21 King James Version (KJV)
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Emmanystone:
Yet you are alive, isn't that funny?

I'm alive and it's not funny

butterflyl1on:


I didn't say it traumatised them. Was that the only thing you saw there? I said, Environmental factors such as trauma, stress, what we see and experience have been known to activate epigenetic changes. This is scientifically proven.

Why then did you pick only trauma?

okay. I have always wanted a child with blue eyes now I know exactly what to do

Emmanystone:
It is from here i will begin to ignore you.

no problem

OkCornel:


I am not invalidating the Bible, what I mentioned is that with the English Bible as it is, there is a mixture of truth and errors...

Thankfully, when you have the Spirit of Truth working in you, you can separate the truth from errors...

"The Letter killeth...but the Spirit giveth life"

If one's mind is closed to reading the English Bible alone without doing an in-depth research to corroborate what is written in it...then, I am really sorry for such a person...

When often I argue my position on a matter in the Bible, I try as much as possible to back it up with historical and archaeological evidences outside of the Bible... I also consider other ancient literatures to corroborate my claims...

yet we have 33000 denominations reading the same bible and drawing inspiration from the same spirit of truth while each of the denomination criticizes others for getting it wrong.

mind you I didn't invalid the entire bible. I said it should not be treated as infallible nothing made by man is infallible.

Emmanystone:

Oh well, we can grumble and be dissatisfied at how He decides to reign and rule over His earth, but that is all we can do, nothing else.
That is what it means to be Sovereign.

sovereign tyrant

OkCornel:
Abeg abeg abeg...

First things first...if you all are discussing contradictions in the Bible...bear in mind that God did not come down from Heaven to write the Bible in English...

First of all, what we know as the Old Testament portion of the bible was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, while the New Testament was written in Greek, Hebrew. Bear in mind that these were subsequently translated into Latin and later on into English.

In between this translation process... also bear in mind that the process did not involve the use of a google translator, rather it was a manual and pain staking process of having to rewrite the entire scriptures by ink and scrolls and as such errors would be unavoidable in the process...

Starting this process by using the English Bible (preferably KJV or 1599 Geneva translation) is even a faulty foundation to start with...

The original context and content of the scriptures is to an extent lost in between all these translation errors...

Ever wondered why the Koran is preferably maintained in its Arabic format?

If you want to play game of contradictions...I've got tonnes of verses for everyone to feast on. The best way out of this is to get the original writings of the Bible in Hebrew and Greek...and translate them DIRECTLY to English... I think we have the privilege of google translator to help us here...

you are right. that is why every story in the bible shouldn't be completely believed as it is prone to human errors. after all is written by flawed humans at a different time and civilization yet you have people in 21st century that treat it as infallible.

butterflyl1on:


It is how epigenetics works. Environmental factors such as trauma, stress what we see and experience have been known to activate epigenetic changes. This is scientifically proven.

Epigenetic changes are biological markers on DNA that modify gene expression without altering the underlying sequence.

In other words, it can change skin colour, body markings but not the physical structure itself.

mating in front of streaked branches traumatized the sheep. okay.

butterflyl1on:


Ephesians 2:8-9 was talking about what Jesus did TO US. His grace saved us through our belief in him and not our works. It is different from what James is saying.
Ephesians talks about God to man while James talks about Man living the God standard for righteousness.

James 2 teaches on the kind of righteousness we are to have.

This is the definition of Righteousness (FAITH WITH WORKS) and not works alone (self righteousness) or faith alone (hypocrisy)

Our works based on faith in God makes us righteous.

There is no contradiction there

okay

Emmanystone:

Hahahahahahahahaha. Pls, guy, carry your mundane mind and shift. The laws of Physics or natural laws hardly apply with God.

Can you explain how tasteless, colourless and odourless water can be turned into wine, or how a girl who had never had sex will get pregnant and have a child?

And pls, don't tell me you don't believe these things happened, if that's the case, you'd better not comment.

those things didn't happen. also virgin birth is a popular myth in many ancient cultures.

Emmanystone:

No sir. Let me clear you up.
In the past YHWH dealt with Nations, whole families, with their kings, leaders and Father's as representatives of the people. Kings, leaders and fathers, gets to stand and pass down info to those under them, meaning, if the king, leader or father worshipps idols, those under them will do so, hence;the judgement which goes to the kings, leaders and heads of families, goes to their subjects.

We see this in Genesis, when the Israelites as a Nation were almost destroyed for rebellion, but Moses prevailed over YHWH.

We also see it in Numbers 16;18 where Dathan, Korah and Abiram revolted against Moses, them as the heads of their families and their entire households were swallowed up by the earth.

Again, we see YHWH bringing Judgement against the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and we see Abraham, prevailing over YHWH, if there were up to 10 innocent men in there, those cities wld ve been saved.

Again, we see it in Ezekiel as YHWH brought swift Judgement on the entire population because of the sins of few men. In Ezekiel 11:13, again, we see Ezekiel prevailing over YHWH in behalf of the people. Then in Chapter 18 where you quoted, the Lors was entreated and decided 'fine, i will no lnger bring Judgment on all becos of what others have done'. The soul that sins let that soul die the dead.

In Luke 18:3, we also see a Judge who was b
Pressed down into doing what he didn't want to do, but changed his mind because he was entreated and importuned upon.

What does this tell us? We can entreat the Lord and make Him change His mind, when we intercede for others. THE LORD CHANGES HIS MIND FROM destroying us when we repent.

That's love if you ask me.

I guess his word isn't everlasting then.

if he is omniscient, why does he change his mind. why didn't he realise punishing generations for the sin of one man is not fair he had to wait for a mortal man to remind him.

I see no love in Yahweh tho. punishing others for the sins of one person is wickedness /tyranny. I mean he is omnipotent he can punish the sinner without the innocents.

Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.


James 2:24 New International Version (NIV)
You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.


is it by faith alone or by faith and works?

welcome to contradiction number3

myth/lie in the bible

genesis 30:39
And when they mated in front of the white-streaked branches, they gave birth to young that were streaked, speckled, and spotted.


this is not how genetics work.

Exodus 20:5 ESV /
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,



Ezekiel 18:20 ESV
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.


these two verses contradict each other.

does YAHWEH visit iniquity of the fathers on the children or not

Emmanystone:

Remember am black?

yeah, but your are not black American

remember the danger of a single story.

Emmanystone:

Wow. But i must stand for what you stand for nah.
And, they don't represent me, no, they don't.

If they do i will know. I don't judge issues with this kind of warped perspective. It's one thing for someone to push you down, infact, you can't help falling, but the next thing you'd do depends solely on you. These people refuse to get up out of where they fell.

They are lazy, sex crazy, drugs, guns. They are more racists than the whites. They don't act right, waiting for someone to say something, they begin shouting because i'm black.


They hate hardwork and education.

Biko, rise up and dust off. For how long shd they remain down crying?

stereotypes! stereotypes!

more racist than the whites really?

openmine:

My first paragraph takes care of the points you raised!
Responsibility is the key!
So that we don't start hearing about how she wasted her life on vain stuffs!

And I disagree with you on the Shiloh mentality abroad....there are some people abroad who are over-religiously inclined, though not like Africans but they are still there....

If she is a strict lesbian then there's no need to regret anything. she is simply not sexually attracted to men.
as for your second point

I'm not talking about being religiously inclined when I said Shiloh mentality, I meant seeing marriage as an achievement or do or die affairs. e. g if there is any news on rihanna or nicki Minaj on any American blog you won't see comment shaming them for being single compare it how Nigerians act to lets say Linda ikeji or Genevieve.

openmine:
Smh
I hope she takes responsibility for what she is saying or doing to herself right now!

cos i don't want to hear that,25 years later,she decides to locate the nearest mfm/shiloh gathering saying her village people don't want her to get married or prosper!

For those ladies who are joining her or applauding such act,be mindful of what U support or embrace....!

she is in the abroad. so gay marriage is okay for them. plus abroad people don't have Shiloh mentality.

she posted on her instagram page the blame goes to the hungry blogger that brought it to nairaland

iamwhat:


So you guys are humble today to not beat your chest against what you're not sure of?

Since you're not sure about the existence of God, why do you arrogantly claim there's no God ?

not sure about the existence of a creator God but 100% sure YHWH is fiction because the bible is fraud and it is not to be trusted.

question for Those of us that completely reject evolution, when you where taught evolution of plants in ss2/ss3 i.e. all those bryophytes, lycopods, and ferns, gymnosperms and angiosperms did you accept it, challenge your teachers or did you just see as something you study so as to pass exams.

I know this kind of off topic but I'm curious.

iamwhat:
Am still awe at how nobody could answer the OP's question and my greatest suprise is how so many atheist are denouncing evolution and science today.
You guys are just so funny!

who denounced science? quote the person abi you don't know the meaning of denounce again?

we did not evolve. we magically appeared from sandman and rib woman according to the words of an intelligent creator.

superior1:

According to what empirical sources?.... this is a blatant lie

go to Twitter and type the hashtag #mosquetoo

DoctorAlien:


What, other than Divine Mercy, could offer the option of slavery/forced labor to a people who surely deserved death/destruction -- against whom the armies of Israel had been brought for destruction -- because "their iniquity has reached its full measure"(Gen. 15:16)?

exactly Yahweh supports slavery for captives just like Allah and Mohammed.

apologists now want to claim slavery is like hiring a servant which is bullshit

Emmanystone:

Small brain no dey your head. All you know is cussing. I'll slap myself if i ever see myself engaging a resounding gong like you.

Get lost.

oversize brain I didn't cuss you na. I just stated facts.

[quote author=dragon2 post=65265910]

Point of correction,natural family planing is 95-99% effective,more than many a contraceptive.

prove this statement

Sex is meant to be enjoyed but it is not recreational,but procreational.

Firstly, I have already stated that interrupting the natural procreative process ordained by God using an artificial means is against Gods will hence a sin.so contraception is a sin no matter the status of those involved. In-fact ona was involved in both masturbation and contraception. I wont repeat that.
2. It desecrates marriage.and relationship between the sexes(read previous posts above).
3. It promotes promiscuity among married couples to a degree that threatens their marriage in ways not possible before.
4. Sex between married couples using contraceptive is not unitive,that is,it doesn't bind them but rather slowly makes the sex a sex based on pleasure not love. A pleasure that can be found outside marriage.

There is no such thing as cost of processing an adoption that is double speak for selling.Orphanages have never in times past required the children to be adopted for cash to sustain the facility.

God has never approved of disease in humans as a good thing,it is a corruption of the body. So also an ectopic pregnancy is a disorder of a normal pregnancy. In-fact,the Catholic Church teaches, if in a person that has an ectopic pregnancy the healing procedure leads to the unavoidable accidental loss of the child, it is not an acquired abortion.

you keep regurgitating the same thing. where is the bible verse that said use of contraception, masturbation /use of condom is a sin.



if contraception is a sin then your so called natural method is also a sin since you carefully plan against God's plan for procreation.

so adoption is a sin then? ok

good luck with your fanatism.

dragon2:


Are you reading my posts?
I have already explained to you how contraception changes procreative sex to re-creative sex,damages marriage and social cohesion between man and woman and you still ask how it is sinful? People are engaging in more uncontrolled sex outside of marriage both adultery and fornication, using contraceptives as the primary tool and you ask how is it sinful?.

On my quote where I said "Any man who does not consider his wife's health...." I was talking about using natural family planing. google it, and research.Educate yourself this is not a battle of wits.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=natural+family+planning&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Ona was punished by God not because he refused to impregnate his brothers wife but because he poured out his seed.

Noun[edit]
onanism (usually uncountable, plural onanisms)

Masturbation.
Ejaculating outside the vagina during intercourse; (the performing of) coitus interruptus.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/onanism


Each marriage act (act of sexual intercourse) must be unaltered before, during, or after the act. No action may be taken to alter the act because each act must be objectively unitive and procreative in order to be authentic and properly ordered as God designed.

Subjectively that particular act may or may not be procreative. For example, if someone is naturally infertile due to time of the month, post-menopause, already pregnant, etc, then an unaltered act of intercourse is objectively procreative but subjectively does not result in conception. Condoms and IUD artificially prevent the procreative act ordained by God which is meant to result in natural conception hence, are sinful.

I wont speak on contraception again because it is a derailment of the OP's topic.

The real world is not the "Real"world but a corrupt one run by money and greed.Are you really a humanist to think that child selling is acceptable? That giving a price to human life is o.k.?If you are not aware child selling is called child trafficking and is an abominable crime in many parts of the world.
The Hague Convention on Intercountry Adoption is a treaty which bans the buying and selling of children and attempts to impose controls and regulation on inter-country adoption, which gives rise to the practice.[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child-selling.

Any method of the so called sexual health that involves masturbation is a sin.

if by natural method you mean calendar method method of contraception then you must know it is not effective because of changes in the woman's cycle and for some women their cycle is not even regular.

also sex between couple is not solely for procreation it is meant to be enjoyed. the bible said couples should not deny themselves.

so i was referring to use of contraceptives in marriage not for casual sex(casual sex/adultery is already a sin with or without contraception I do not know what your point is. )


why is coitus interruptus sinful?

my point about adoption is that they don't allow to adopt free like that. the processes cost money.

would you rather the child dies or not properly cared for in motherless/fatherless babies cos you do not want to part with some cash?

you are just bringing up irrevant point. my comments was not in anyway supporting child trafficking. there regulatory bodies for legal adoption in Nigeria.

so why does your god allow procreation in a woman that pregnancy will put at risk

why does he allow ectopic pregnancies that's the question you should be asking.