Humanistme:


and as usual analice107 was rejoicing over the thread and agreed with that funny character oladegbu. she should come and see her fellow Christian allah killed for denouncing him na

bunch of jokers.

dragon2:


Nigeria is a mess because we are not a meritocratic nation. People do not value education and reward it,neither do we value its application, hard work and [b]industry [/b]and the processes required for it e.g. infrastructure. The Greater nations of this world notice and reward you for your effort by giving you more opportunities and leadership roles.Here it is suppressed to maintain the power status quo of a selfish few,so stop blaming our population.In the 80's when our population was about 80 million where we an advancing merit-based society? Even now our population is less than the U.S. and China and just larger than Russia- all superpowers,our landmass is much smaller than theirs but we are still at the back end of the world because we are not merit driven, not because of numbers.

Masturbation is a sin, Genesis 38:8-10 Google onanism. From the scriptural person ona and research intensively.

Adoption is meant to be free,we don't sell babies.That is cheapening of human life. Making humans a product on the shelf.If you want an orphan you should just register and get one. We don't want baby factories.

There are already alternative natural methods of planning a family. Do your research.

Any man who does not consider his wife's health or even his personal wealth when considering how many kids to have is completely irresponsible and dangerous. Period.

Any process of masturbation that simulates sex or attempts sexual arousal leading to masturbation is sinful irrespectful of those involved.If a man on his own can sin against his body when masturbating then it is possible with others involved.

I oppose what worsens society even if it makes a persons life easier(not better).

dragon2:


Hate is in the eye of the person that perceives it. A child can hate the father for not allowing him to eat poisoned food.That you do not understand a knowledge that limits you or opposes you does not mean it hates you.

Within marriage AI is a sin,especially if 1.masturbation is a first step to AI. 2.if it involves an external person who has no responsibilities to the child and has broken the marriage covenant(mechanical adultery)3. such a person has profited financially from it and hence turned human life into something that can be bought and sold.In these cases the marriage has been wounded.This does not mean any scientific method of aiding conception without mechanically interfering in the primary act is sinful. E.g. drugs.

Contraception changes the natural social and primary role of sex from procreation to recreation.This dramatic shift leads to less marriage as more people want to have more sexual partners, and see no reason to form a life long bond with a single person. This,socially,separates the sexes.There is no permanent life long neutral meeting point between man and woman(marriage) in society,or many strong examples of it, and no mutual dependencies between the sexes.Sex hence becomes a short term contract with no permanent emotion attached.Once they(man and woman) are totally independent of each other and do not have any permanent benefit from a relationship with each other, misandry and misogyny is the next natural logical step. The increase in such discrimination would be in exponential proportions.

dragon2:


What single individuals do and think,and what scientist discover and apply are not important in the overall world view.It is how the general society reacts to or is affected by it. As i have said before,the family is the smallest uniting unit of the social group/society,not the individual and marriage is the uniting bond of the family. We learn by observing and copying what we see despite our different conditions in life. To the unmarried AI is a reason not to marry in the long run (a freedom from spousal responsibilities).To the married it is an opt-out point if you no longer feel the need to remain in the relationship as more people divorce and celebrate their singleness.

The fallout of a society deep in the mud of IVF,AI,Contraception and other mechanical procreative practices,is less marriages (resulting in lower birth rates) higher divorce rates among married couples(to have the empowering 'sexual freedom' of the unmarried) and a demeaning of the opposite sex ( misandry/misogyny) which is the opposite of the uniting power of family units in society.

The growing misandry,and misogyny is the fallout of the scientific processes' mechanical interference in natural procreation. Men and women are beginning to demean and hate each other more because the don't share any lasting love and see less examples of such in society.(life long unions/marriages)And mechanical procreation/contraception is a negative force that advances that hate.
Because it is not wide spread here yet does not mean it won't be soon, just look to the west for examples.

Anyway this thread is meant to be from a christian POV,the fact that masturbation is an important first step in AI (artificial insemination) has already made the process sinful from the start.

dragon2:



Making society a better place is more important than making either gender happier. Artificial insemination is a danger to marriage and the family life on the whole.Remember,the family is the smallest binding unit of any society. This very case shows an example of a woman's act that suggests marriage is not necessary.
Such acts lead to large scale divorce rates,the unwinding of the family unit ,one of the results happens to be enmity and a battle of the sexes as is occurring in the West where each sex says; 'Thanks to technology we don't need you'.This is one of the first stages in the collapse of human order.

dragon2:


If you believe marriage is not necessary for procreation there is no need for us to debate on this particular issue neither can you understand my earlier posts. This thread was directed at Christians.

Edit.
since your profile name suggests you are a deep thinker,let me asks a question. In a society,with little or no marriage and rampant divorce combined with alternative means of procreation outside of marriage. Do you think a point will come when men and women will consider each sex as a hindrance to their happiness and success hence a gender war? Will children be considered and un neccesary baggage to attaining success and liberty? pls, use you deep thinking abilities.

Moinoni123:
re-read if you don't understand. Bye

Moinoni123:
Easier said than done. Would you want your parent to meddle in your family affairs? (i'm not sayin your parent can't settle some issues for you, as y'all are still learning) You sound like you would delibrately make your husband look weak. Oh! I guess you didn't read the part where you don't know who the head of your home is, maybe its your husand or your parent (lowkey)

HenryCavill:
Interesting post although it reeks of pride.
1. Your in-laws rarely visited you and you found a problem with it.
2. When things took a downward turn they became more involved you had a problem with it
3. I find it shocking that what stopped you from "slapping your wife to remove her make-up" was the fear of the state govt interfering.

Having put your business out there, I'm sure you don't mind if I make it my business also and contribute my 2 cents.

Had your relatively well to do in-laws not meddled when things took a downward turn with you I'm pretty sure someone would have called them wicked for not bothering.
Your story about them being relatively wealthier I believe was told from a place of spite and jealousy.

You didn't come from a broke background too, I mean how many people can afford to buy themselves a car talk more of give their child one after graduation.

I don't think you like your in-laws very much and frankly you don't love your wife either. You're bent on becoming more successful than them not solely for your own good but to rub it in their nose.

I don't know the relationship you have with them but I can bet it's a toxic one. Who gets angry at a father sending his daughter money married or not. This silly African mentality of men owning their wives is what's driving this narrative. What do you even mean by "luxury food item"

You cannot bar your wife from having a relationship with her family before you they were there and the day you will slap her (which I believe is not very far) they'll be there to take her away from you.

I sincerely hope you find the courage to tell yourself the truth, see beyond your pride and understand the kind of relationship you want to have with your in-laws.

Pataricatering:
the problem with you men is your ego will never let you be reasonable ! Do you make decisions according to what’s good for your ego or what’s good for your children / family ? If you are in a situation where your children can’t eat would you refuse your in laws help because you feel too big ? A lot of the meanings you read into situations must have been subjective - I know a couple where the guys father paid for a school his son could not afford because he wanted quality education for his grandkids - exactly the same thing your wife’s parents wanted to do ! I t wasn’t a big deal because it was the mans parents paying ! Why would you hinder your children’s future because of your ego ? A couple I know eventually divorced because the girl wanted to have their child or in America but the guy could not afford it - her parents decided to pay but the guy still insisted she should never t travel because he was not the one paying ! Why would you refuse your child the opportunities ty knowing how much easier being an American citizen would make his life You men feel your egos must be worshipped like how God is worshipped - just complete nonsense !

dalaman:


My problem is you is that you LOVE telling lies always and love presenting your own alternate reality always as of its true when everybody knows it's a lie except you. Let's examine all the lies you've spewed and see if they make any sense.



Where is the togetherness in Christianity today? Are catholics for example united with the non catholics? Do they share the same beliefs and do things together? So far catholics openly condemn non catholics and vice versa. Do the Greek othrodox even agree with the pentacoastals? They have different bibles with different and additional books. Do they even marry each other? Will a Seven day adventist marry a Catholic? Go and read the seven day adventist publication and see how they castigate and berate the catholics daily. There is NO unity amongst christians thatbisbwhy why there are different sects each with their own different theology and doctrines everywhere. Pastors are always at each other's neck. The only thing they are united at is using the name of Jesus to expliot people. There is no unity in Christianity, if there is the madness and confusion we see today will not exist.



Yes it can. Muslims since inception have been very brutal and violent against each other. They kill each other always (shites and Sunnis ) but the religion is projected and expected to out grow every other religious group in 60 years to become the biggest religious group on earth. It is currently the fastest growing religion on earth despite the inherent confusion and chaos that exist btw it's two major sects.

But then the reality is that within Christianity and Islam each sect is growing on its own. Catholics are growing, protestants are growing, Sunnis are growing as well as shites but because we all sum them up as muslims and christians we all at the end claim that the religion is growing.



You are a shameless LIAR. Christianity did NOT begin because the authorities that be wanted to had a unified desire to assist human beings. Christianity spread because the Roman empire wanted to conquer the world and wanted everybody to also forcefullyconvert to their religion. The biggest religionthat was spread through conquest in the history of humanity remains christianity. Millions were killed in the name of Jesus because they had to be forcefully converted. We have the correspondence btw the conquistadors and how they brutally had to convert the Mayans and the Aztecs to Christianity by force for example. Even here in African it was convert or die in some places. Many of our ancestors that rejected were banished or killed.
Today the quest has changed from killing and converting people by force to exploitation. Convert and bring your money to enrich the pastors is what is going on now.



If you are the only super power of your time and you go about conquering and annexing territoriesand forcing the people to convert to your only state religion you will gain a lot of converts over time. That was exactly what the Romans did with christianity.



There are followers belonging and converting to the various sects with different doctrines that all fall under the umbrella group known as christianity but when you look close they are very different groups each with their varied set of beliefs. There is no universally accepted christian doctrine any where.




This remains a lie. Go to any thread where catholics and protestants are slugging it out and tell me if they don't hate each other. In fact Catholicsand protestants fought the wars of the reformation in Europe that lasted over 200 years and killed about 11 million people according to some estimates.

We don't even have to go far. Here on nairaland I can easily show you were people like KingEbukasBlog, Winner, Oladegbu, and others have stated that catholics are not christians but agents of Satan. I have once quoted KingEbukasBlog on that to show him his hypocrisy when he said catholics are agents of Satan.

You don't call people whom you seek to spiritualknowledge from agents of Satan do you. Go to the tithe threads and see the way christians call each other names. Your man Felixmoron is a known culprit, he condemns and threatens his fellow hristians with hell sef over disagreements.



You rock over what? Your endless schism and disagreements or what? Cam you go and preach as a visiting preacher in a Catholic church? Will your church allow a Jehovah witness preacher to come and preach on your church? Will a Seven day adventist allow a white garment wearing christian to go and preach in their church? Will an Ethopinion or maronite christian alow you to stand on their pulpit and preach to them as a visiting preacher? So which rocking are you talking about Mr lie lie .

dalaman:


You have allowed others to reason for you so much so that you can not live without their imaginary and mythical thoughts and ideas. You can not compare nairaland with the God idea. Everybody here including you KNOWS and acknowledges that nairaland belongs to Seun Osewa. His objective signature is on nairaland stating very clearly in bold that he owns nairaland. He has a UNIQUE moniker(No other moniker called Seun exist here on nairaland ) and uses his monikers to communicate wit people here. He uses the moniker to seek for employees (moderators), make special announcements, engage people directly in ways through which everybody including you knows that it is him.

What about God? We have so many of them. None of them has any of their names or signature in nature in an objective way stating that they own anything. All we have are diffrent believers telling us that it is thir own version of God that owns the universe. How did you get to know that the planet we live in was created hy Yahweh and not Brahma? Over a billion people in the world today claim that Brahma created the universe, do you have any evidence apart from empty words to show that It is your own God that created the universe and not Brahma. If you try to seriously claim that nairaland is owned by someone else and not Seun and insisit that Seun is an impostor you will be banned for life and any moniker that you open will also be banned for life.

God is a human ida that is why different humans have conceived of different God ideas throughout history. Your own is just one out of the many ideas that have been conceived. Even within your religion there are many different concepts and ideas of how God should be and behave. Thatbisbwhy we have very different sects with totally different beliefs about how your God should behave and act. Take the mordern day word of faith property gospel Christians and the traditional christians and see how different they feel God should act or behave. That alone is enough evidence to show you that bit is all a man made venture.

Seun exist and has a unique moniker here on nairaland that nobody else has. His signature and status as owner exist and nobody can claim that nairaland is owned by someone else . God on the other hand depends on whose story you are listening to. The muslims insist that the universe belong to their God, the Hindus claim the same, the Taoist make the same claim, christians also, etc. Every culture and every group keep insisting that it is their own version and idea of God that owns the universe, none of them has been able to provide any evidence to support their claims.

Seun uses his moniker to make direct comments here on nairaland. As for God it all depends on who you are listening to. Even believers can not tel you exactly the message their God is sending. Just take an example with the speaking in tongues topic here and see how sincere christians are all disagreeing with each other on what the bible really says about speaking in tongues. No agreement at all, only disagreement and even name calling among themselves while laying claim to this holy spirit of confusion. No such thing has ever happened to any of Seun's messages here on nairaland. Go to the thread and use the holy spirit to end the dispute and disagreement btw your fellow christians on the true biblical position on speaking in tongues. Shebi you always insist that you have the holy spirit, will you go there and demonstrate that this your holy spirit is real and not a figment of your deluded imaginations? Put your money where your mouth is and go there and settle the disagreement using the holy spirit let's see how far you'll go. Show some actions, we are tired of your empty claims.

I can insist that Allah is God and that the universe belongs to him and nothing will ever happen to me. I can insist that the uinverse has no owner and nothing will ever happen to me. Try and insisit that someone else owns nairaland or claim that Seun doesn't own nairaland with all seriousness and see what will happen to you.

ReinaFarine:


That is why I called the Op stupid if his only argument for the existence of God is the universe.

snowblaq:


Silly question
Oh.. And by the way... He's married.

Toks2008:


Nothing like marine spirit but it's simply about preferences...As I wrote earlier...I have no problem with getting women and I even have them asking but I know what I want and it is important I go for that.

Again for guys of my age,it is not as easy as you think...The Ooni of Ife would have been married after his divorce with all the authority and power coupled with his cuteness yet he is still single...It's more difficult than you think.

Same problem is faced by ladies when they turn 30 and above cos the older you get as an unmarried person the more difficult it becomes.

biacan:
Ask him directly he knows what I'm talking about dude is so gay everyone in his hood knows him well he's having issues with them I'm not making this up but I'm saying the fact ask him..... he's over 40years

biacan:
He's very old I've seen him before..... looking so unkept
In case you don't know he's presently having issues with his neighbour on why he's yet to be married.... they are suspecting him to be gay because of the way guys visit him fact...... ask him he knows I'm saying the truth

zezebabyxoxo:
It's so funny how Toks drops thread after thread on how women should behave in a relationship and how we must turn a blind eye to cheating. Little wonder he's still single at over 40. Lol. You should check yourself for still being single at your age. Uncle keep on compiling your list and dumping ladies, your mates' children are in Secondary school lol.

biacan:
Coming from a 40years man whose yet to be married.....don't listen to him

Jamariwolff:

Thanks dear


you seem to love the word 'dump'
Define :dump:
Can women dump men too or is it only men that do the dumping?
Come on, are you a misogynist too?

I don't know the type of relationship you've been entering and the type of ladies you've been dating.
But in normal relationships, people decide to end it mutually after realising that they weren't compatible for each other.
We aren't shît that you dump.

sexybbstar:

I'm not kidding sis, she's not the only nairalander or foodlander living in the US, she's not even the richest. For someone who's calling her nationality shythole, where she was brought up, I expected more than what I saw.

adejaresalami1:
Only an insane person will read this and not pity your level of delusion.

What's point trying to argue with you.......its not like are asking this with an inquisitive mind, your motive is for your own selfish end.

U first need to redress and seek knowledge about the perfect creator with open mindness

Who can describe the nature of Allah?. The living, the Eternal : His throne extends over worlds and worlds that no imagination can compass. His truth is as clear as daylight.

I pray that your burdens should be lightened, maybe someday you'll confess your realisation that you have greater need for Allah's mercy and forgiveness.

Toks2008:


This is a mystery the world is yet to unravel.

A man can cheat on a lady yet love her to pieces but when a lady cheats on her man then it's a most certain she is no longer in love with the man...

Toks2008:


No spoil my name o...I no advocate nonsense. ...I just dry advise ladies about how to react if e happin to them.

Toks2008:


Savagery of Epical proportion...Chai! you are mean..

manlawal:
especially the idiot that called himself oodua1stson. he watch it no one called a paedophile . then because someone request to see you called people names .

Toks2008:


So in your mind she is justified abi? let's wait to see if this new husband is an angel. .

Many ladies are just too gullible to think that leaving a cheat is a guaranty that their next man will be faithful...

Most times they experience worse shit with the new man but the shame of leaving again will make them tolerate yet they will be acting cool outside and saying it was a great decision leaving their ex thereby deceiving naive ladies to do same if faced with similar situations ..smh!

Neurotika:
I have noticed this since. There are actually more bisexual women than there are gays. I am indifferent to both sexual predilections as everyone has fundamental human rights to do whatever. It's just the hypocrisy that irritates me. A bro hugging a bro will be deemed weird, yet women can kiss each other on the cheeks/lips, call each other boo, sweet and all that crap. These same motherf.uckers will hang feminism around their neck when it's time to criticize the men. I actually have no respect for any man that takes women serious. Most of them are Forkas

ECRFngo:
For those of you asking for the link to the video, yes its real. Esther Child Rights Foundation is also on the matter. This is wickedness of the highest order. Another thing please parents should watch their daughters very well. Because child abuse is everyday thing in Lagos, we hardly sleep at bcs of distress calls. Please any rape issue, domestic violence, violation of your right, landlord and tenant issues, Esther Foundation is here to fight for you