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azharuddin:
Narrated Jundub: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "He who lets the people hear of his good deeds intentionally, to win their praise,
Allah will let the people know his real intention (on the Day of Resurrection), and he who does good things in public to show off and win the praise of the people, Allah will disclose his real intention,  (and humiliate him).
[Bukhari Book 8 Volume 76 Hadith 506]

May the Almighty Allah guide us.

Barka Jumu'ah.

Salam,

Long time. I was just passing by and saw this thread. Wow! Yet another Award of the Year fanfare.

[b]Lagosboy [/b]has my vote this year. Muhsin could have had it but he went to hiding more often than ever this year, although I learned against his own free will. Wish the fella and all other fellas up here all the best. But Lagosboy, I repeat, earns this years vote.

Because you don't make any sense. . .

Sounds far-fetched!

Keep it up, buddy.

Annunaki:
I think a UN resolution should passed declaring islam an illegal religion since we now have evidence that the so called angel that appeared to mohammed was an angel of darkness sent by the devil himself to set mankind on the path of destruction.

Are you that naive? Get lost.

Congrats Muhsin. Well deserved award

noetic15:
1. are u also DUMB? whats the meaning of the post in red? is there any sense in that post? what does "depend" mean in this context?

2. when did I loose my right to freedom of speech? why dont u and your cohorts have a thick skin for objective criticism?

1. If u produce a single thread where muhsin objectively and intelligently profered convincing answers to my posers . . . .I would give both of you £1000 each.

2. if u had half a brain, u would have seen that 99% of muhsin's post are ridiculous copy-paste of the falsehoods in the haddiths. I have nothing against muhsin, he is a peace maker and matured dude. . .but he is not one of the prominent analysts the islamic section of nairaland can boast of.

I did not idolize or make olabowale a prophet. . . .if u had a fragment of a brain and if u could read simple english. . . I made it clear earlier that while I have never agreed with him on any subject, honour has to be given to whom it is due. The rate at which he fearlessly puts across his views regardless of what people thinks is what stands him out. I dont expect u to make sense of this. . . cos I can see u lack the simple ability to comprehend notions.

is this dude educated at all? where on this thread did I insult olabs?

Can't you read and comprehend simple English? If yes you must have understood what I have written. And the crude proof I have provided.

Or, you are suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder, I reckon. That can be the only reason.

Senseless post by the dumbest poster of the year!

Crackles, of course.

Great post!

Thanks be to Allah! I found it: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-321215.0.html

We are not fools, neotic. Mind your language and business.

And regarding mentioning our great Sheick, Olabowale: there is no insult, abuse and nonsense you didn't heap at him. And everyone knows that fact. I just couldn't locate the thread's url. But m trying to now, inshaAllah.

Yet because of your sheer shamelessness, you are talking about him like he was a prophet. Don't misconstrue my saying; ain't saying he's anything bad.

What sort of deluded person this noetic is?

I, for a personal reason, hate to depend a fellow Muslim unless when its necessary. I wish I got all time in the world to depend both the two gentlemen you heaping nonsense at just because they are being choosen as the nominess of this award thing.

I know you know everything about Muhsin; I many at times even enjoyed his myriads encounter with you. And he passionately defeats you. Yet you are asking where he made analysis. . .or whatseover.

For visitors, here are some of his best known posts on NL:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-344553.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-294859.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-330925.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-332194.0.html

I can go on and on. There4, better quit parading your palpable ignorance and denial of facts.

dominique:
Jarus, i cant access the polls ooo. . . what is happening

Me too!

Both the two guys are just cool but I go for Muhsin. He's being more prolific than Lagosboy, especially these days.

I like Window 7.

firebrand:
It is unfortunate that these fanatics that claims to know God more than others would go to the extent of looking for loopholes in other peoples religion so as to glorify & justify their own religion & stance on same. One of the evidence of inferiority complex is to be much concern about a perceived opponent & feel threatened most of the time. This comparasm was based on religious ego, but thank God reasons has prevailed!

Truly, viao has proved beyond every reasonable doubt that the earth described in the bible is not flat, and even gone further to make nonsense of quranic verses to the dismay of the self acclaimed arabic scholar.

`AND THOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE`

Another unfortunate thing: u fail to understand their replies.

As always, I hardly visit this educative site. That i have been wanting to call off. But,

Thus i'll, in brefest from, respond to the qs above:

Qs:
Do married muslims wear wedding rings? NO.

Are there ordinaces in Islam eg Baptism,confirmation,Eucharist etc? NO

Do muslims ever go out to preach,teach,hold crusades or seminars or any form of seeking converts? Yes; that started since during Rasool reign.

Holy Spirit . . .who is he to the Muslims? An angel of Allah who carried His revelation to many of His prophets.

0hsisi:
goodluck trying to reason with a Muslim
when they are thinking of meat for the next pot of peppersoup

No2Atheism:
- Goodluck to having a civil discussion with a muslim . . .

- Goodluck to them only focusing on the Quran and Mohammed . . .


It would be easier for a pig to fly than for muslims to actually admit anything to you in public. . .

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- I would advise you not to waste your strenght trying to engage them in a civil discussion . . .
- I would also advise you not to insult any muslim even if you are tempted to do that . . .



- I would only advise you to continue to say the truth on the thread and do not worry whether they respond or do not respond. . . have it in mind that what you are saying would read by other muslims that are having doubts about their religion hence that you are actually figthing for the soul of those muslims that have not been completely brainwashed just as the "True Muslims" have been brainwashed.


As far as the "True Muslims" are concerned it would take a literal miracle to change them cus:

- Some of those "True Muslims" have gone in too deep into Islam that it is now psychologically, mentally and financially difficult for them to change, its difficult for them to reason outside of their indoctrination.
-  Some of those "True Muslims" know the kind of fate that awaits anyone that converts away from islam, hence even though some of them actually want to stop being a muslim, they are actually scared to do so publicly cus they know that they can actually be killed by their so called "Muslim Brothers" for the sin of apostacy.

What are u afraid of? Olabowale to "steal" ur man? that sounds hilarious.

Had u hold truth u won't reacted this way. matter of fact.

Mr. Olabowale

Don't u get precious time? Leave that stupid boy alone and continue with his stupid postings.

Pastor Kidnap Pastor

the_seeker:
Pls ignore Mazaje. He is a typical arrogant atheist who thinks he can open his mouth and condemn anybodies religion or beliefs. You cant reason with someone who does not believe in anything!

Totally agreed.

Neotic is the dumbest NL member i think.

Sorry, pal, you are not worthy debating with.

Nice topic.

noetic15:
how accurate is the koran?

a. mohammed had a conversation with alexandra the great

b. aaron is the brother of mary

Conclusion: the koran is a fraud.

Most ever senseless reply!

Nezan:
@littleb, see how funny you sound

The Biblical record of the drowning of pharoah was written hundreds of years before mohammed, was it not?

By the time mohammed existed, the pharoah's body was already preserved hundreds of years before.

Mohammed definately must have had knowlegde of the preservation,

So in essence, he was writing about something he already knew!

How funny

Senseless for the day!

Salam,

Please do not mind my long replies. I only get the chance to come up here once and before getting another it takes time. And I posted these after seeing someone, Nezan (?) busily trying to explain the inexplainable Trinity stuff. The whole thing is just a hush-hush. I hope you all will enjoy your reading.

Till you hear again from me.

A Formal Doctrine Is Drawn Up


When controversy over the matter of the Trinity blew up in 318 between two church men from Alexandria – Arius, the deacon, and Alexander, his bishop – Emperor Constantine stepped into the fray.

Although Christian dogma was a complete mystery to him, he did realize that a unified church was necessary for a strong kingdom. When negotiation failed to settle the dispute, Constantine called for the first ecumenical council in Church history in order to settle the matter once and for all.

Six weeks after the 300 bishops first gathered at Nicea in 325, the doctrine of the Trinity was hammered out. The God of the Christians was now seen as having three essences, or natures, in the form of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Church Puts Its Foot Down

The matter was far from settled, however, despite high hopes for such on the part of Constantine. Arius and the new bishop of Alexandria, a man named Athanasius, began arguing over the matter even as the Nicene Creed was being signed; “Arianism” became a catch-word from that time onward for anyone who didn’t hold to the doctrine of the Trinity.

It wasn’t until 451, at the Council of Chalcedon that, with the approval of the Pope, the Nicene/Constantinople Creed was set as authoritative. Debate on the matter was no longer tolerated; to speak out against the Trinity was now considered blasphemy, and such earned stiff sentences that ranged from mutilation to death. Christians now turned on Christians, maiming and slaughtering thousands because of a difference of opinion.


Debate Continues

Brutal punishments and even death did not stop the controversy over the doctrine of the Trinity, however, and the said controversy continues even today.

The majority of Christians, when asked to explain this fundamental doctrine of their faith, can offer nothing more than “I believe it because I was told to do so.” It is explained away as “mystery” – yet the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14:33 that “, God is not the author of confusion , ”

The Unitarian denomination of Christianity has kept alive the teachings of Arius in saying that God is one; they do not believe in the Trinity. As a result, mainstream Christians abhor them, and the National Council of Churches has refused their admittance. In Unitarianism, the hope is kept alive that Christians will someday return to the preachings of Jesus: “, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.” (Luke 4:

Islam and the Matter of the Trinity

While Christianity may have a problem defining the essence of God, such is not the case in Islam:

“They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God” (Quran 5:73)
It is worth noting that the Arabic language Bible uses the name “Allah” as the name of God.

Suzanne Haneef, in her book What Everyone Should Know About Islam and Muslims (Library of Islam, 1985), puts the matter quite succinctly when she says:

“But God is not like a pie or an apple which can be divided into three thirds which form one whole; if God is three persons or possesses three parts, He is assuredly not the Single, Unique, Indivisible Being which God is and which Christianity professes to believe in.”[1]

Looking at it from another angle, the Trinity designates God as being three separate entities – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If God is the Father and also the Son, He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is not exactly logical.

Christianity claims to be a monotheistic religion. Monotheism, however, has as its fundamental belief that God is One; the Christian doctrine of the Trinity – God being Three-in-One – is seen by Islam as a form of polytheism. Christians don’t revere just One God, they revere three.

This is a charge not taken lightly by Christians, however. They, in turn, accuse the Muslims of not even knowing what the Trinity is, pointing out that the Quran sets it up as Allah the Father, Jesus the Son, and Mary his mother. While veneration of Mary has been a figment of the Catholic Church since 431 when she was given the title “Mother of God” by the Council of Ephesus, a closer examination of the verses in the Quran most often cited by Christians in support of their accusation, shows that the designation of Mary by the Quran as a “member” of the Trinity, is simply not true.

While the Quran does condemn both trinitarianism (the Quran 4:171; 5:73)[2] and the worship of Jesus and his mother Mary (the Quran 5:116)[3], nowhere does it identify the actual three components of the Christian Trinity. The position of the Quran is that WHO or WHAT comprises this doctrine is not important; what is important is that the very notion of a Trinity is an affront against the concept of One God.

In conclusion, we see that the doctrine of the Trinity is a concept conceived entirely by man; there is no sanction whatsoever from God to be found regarding the matter simply because the whole idea of a Trinity of divine beings has no place in monotheism. In the Quran, God’s Final Revelation to mankind, we find His stand quite clearly stated in a number of eloquent passages:

“, your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.” (Quran 18:110)

“, take not, with God, another object of worship, lest you should be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.” (Quran 17:39)

– because, as God tells us over and over again in a Message that is echoed throughout ALL His Revealed Scriptures:

“, I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore, serve Me (and no other) , ” (Quran 21:92)

[size=15pt]Who Invented the Trinity?[/size]


What is the source of the Christian concept of the Trinity?


The three monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as “tawhid” in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the “Shema”, or the Jewish creed of faith: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Deuteronomy 6:4)

It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus when he said “, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.” (Mark 12:29)

Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:

“And your God is One God: there is no God but He, ” (Quran 2:163)

Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and outside the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons – the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in one divine being.

If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:

“, we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one, they are not three gods, but one God, the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal, he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity, ” (excerpts from the Athanasian Creed)

Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?

It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.

How did such a confusing doctrine get its start?

Trinity in the Bible


References in the Bible to a Trinity of divine beings are vague, at best.

In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to all nations. While this “Great Commission” does make mention of the three persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase “, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” is quite clearly an addition to Biblical text – that is, not the actual words of Jesus – as can be seen by two factors:

1) baptism in the early Church, as discussed by Paul in his letters, was done only in the name of Jesus; and

2) the “Great Commission” was found in the first gospel written, that of Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost – see Mark 16:15.

The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of 1 John 5:7. Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase “,  there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” is definitely a “later addition” to Biblical text, and it is not found in any of today’s versions of the Bible.

It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin.


The Doctrine Takes Shape

While Paul of Tarsus, the man who could rightfully be considered the true founder of Christianity, did formulate many of its doctrines, that of the Trinity was not among them. He did, however, lay the groundwork for such when he put forth the idea of Jesus being a “divine Son”. After all, a Son does need a Father, and what about a vehicle for God’s revelations to man? In essence, Paul named the principal players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter together.

Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third-century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word “Trinity” when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.