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You people are so deluded by the mainstream media. The government shows you what they want and they lie all the time and you believe everything. LOL even AFETER preople prove they lied you still believe it. This goes to show how much you guys are slaves and you on't even know it. THe 4th branch of the government is controlling you.

Why did NATO attack Livbya?
Why are they going to Syria?
Why did Sudan split up, also who supplied the soldiers with weapons?
Why is there a holocaust going on in the Congo and the mainstream media isn't talking about it?
Why does the mainstream media portray Castro, Gaddaffi, Mugabe, and Chavez badly?
Why does the mainstream media portray Paul Kagame well?
Why did they go to Iraw and Afghanistan?
Why is America so rich while other countries are poor?
Why are there drones over Somalia and Yemen?
What is the point of the IMF, WOrld Bank, and WTO? WHat good have they done to the developing world?
How does Greece feel about the austerity measures? Or Argentina in 2001? Why doesn't America get them since there debt to GDP is like 100%?
Why does America spend more money on their military than all countries in the world combined?

You guys are so deluded by the media so they can control your views. America brings hell to this world so the American people can have a good standard of living. Now the economy isn't as good as it used to be but why? WAKE UP!!

Kedu?

Rhodesia:
Haiti is such a shitip because it is entirely populated by Africans, look at the contrast with the Dominican republic and how they are populated by mulattoes and white people and how they managed to create a thriving prosperous nation.

That is wrong you idiot if you know anything about history and that Haiti had to pay reparations to France for the first 120 years to France. After that America overthrew all their governments and installed puppets just like they did around the world. Know your history you idiot. Tell the Europeans and Americans to get out of Haiti's affairs.

I heard Peter Obi was corrupt, I guess not

afam4eva:
With oil money, everything is possible.

Lol true, if only all of Nigeria looked like Abuja

@Nebeuwa
You need to understand the Korea doesn't have puppet rulers like we do. Even though the Asian tigers are corrupt, atleast they put the money in their economy. America puts 100s of billions of dollars into the military industrial complex. Why can't nigeria do this? We can create weapons, planes, boats and what not. You can have you r own weapons manufacturing company. But NOOOOO they have a generator import company to benefit the producers of generators. If they had a companies that made their own jets and the leaders were corrupt, atleast they would put it in the country.

Our leaders are puppets to the west and Korean ones are not. We need a revolution for them to stop being puppets. We should have Nigerians going to school in Nigeria not going abraod. We need to build more universities and schools. People are thinking about puttting Nigeria in BRICS. HOw can we do that when we have leaders who ship all their money abroad and buy estates in Dubai? Atleast buy estates in the DAMN country. It is so annoying.

EMANY 01:
^^^^^^^^^^
I read the post above wondering at the self-deceit of anti western conspiracy theorists.They twist facts to suit their view of the world and when that is not possible they ignore said facts and make asersions based on thin air.
Regardles of what you say though a few things (out of many) will not change because C.T say different.
1)South Sudan for the first time can plot its future and determine how its resource (oil and otherwise) will benefit ITS PEOPLE.They will no longer have to suffer having a government in Karthumn exploit its resources and do nothing for them execpt make war on them.Kind of like the situation in Nigeria right now.
2)The Arab league is doing what it can to call Assad of Syria to order never mind they are mostly unelected but they appear(or pretend ) value the lives(going past 5000 now) being lost as a result of assad's crackdown on the people.In Libya's case when Qaddafi began his onslaught on Benghazi all to time the city was about to fall did you hear a word from the AU ? Now they have the temerity to point weak corrupt coluding croaked fingers at the west.
The AU did more to endanger blacks in Libya than Qaddafi who turned black mercenaries lose on his people.They said/did nothing have said/done nothing about that whole episode

So you believe everything that CNN, FOX, and BBC tell you? They are part of the problem they lie they are the 4th branch of the government. Most of the rebels are trained by the CIA to overthrow the government.
Gaddaffi was a hero who would never kill his own people. The west lied about that. Russia today calls them out.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7VzsYB07r4
India Lie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBCnOD9_0uk
More lies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ku0rLVdWg
Don't trust mainstream media it is BULL!!
The AU is full of people who are scared. They know that if they don't obey then the same thing can happen to their country. Espcially Nigeria, America can give Boko Haram and MEND lots of weapons to kill each other and destroy the country. It would cause hell.
Who in South Sudan is the presdient? Is he a puppet to the west? Probably, if he doesn't follow orders he probably dies. What happened to Omar Bashir?

@ noblezone
GBAGBO WON!!! The rebels were guarding the election booth the French don't like him because he doesn't wnant his people to be a slave. That is why he is in the ICC just neocolonialism. Outtarra used to work for the IMF he is a PUPPET. Why did the French go and kill civilians? That is Sarkozy's fault. Watch this to understand more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdeyg2vXyoM

For Libya, Gadddaffi gave his people ALOT more than any Nigeria leader gave to us. They had free electircity, housing, cheap food, cheap gas, free money, what do Nigerians get? NOTHING! Libya has an economic sanction and he still made it. WHat did Obasanjo do? Steal all the money and put it in foriegn banks? How does that benefit Nigerias? atleast put the money in Nigerian banks That is what Indonesia does. Invest that stolen money IN NIGERIA our GDP would be a lot higher than it is now. Probably up to 700 billion. STOP WATCHING MAINSTREAM THEY LIE AND ARE CORPORAT E OWNED!! America does this stuff aorund the world not just Africa. Look up Allede of Chile, and Soharto of Indonesia, or Mossedegh of Iran. THe congo is going through things right now. They have a hjistory of being supported by the CIa look up Lumumba and Mobotu, Then the Kabila who died in 2001 and the current ruler today.

We need to go back home to invest in our own countries, the west is falling down and are looking for scapegoats to unleash their anger on.

Nebeuwa:
I see that a robust discussion has occurred since I left. Thank you everyone who have participated. Now let me offer some additional information. African nations import more than they export. We all know this is a major problem. Even from the goods that we do export, such as agricultural products and raw minerals; we do not get a high price for such exports.

If we take a look at the Asian Tigers, manufacturing/production base, they have a higher rate of production. In order for Africa to advance as a continent, we need to focus on establishing a manufacturing base instead of exporting our raw materials to the developed nations. Developed nations use our raw materials to create finished products and then export it to our nations at a higher price than we sold the natural resources. This type of trade is not sustainable for us. We must start creating our own goods. I remember I once heard that Nigeria imports its toothpicks. That is unacceptable in my opinion. If we do not have manufacturers that can create toothpicks, then we are seriously in trouble.

However, I do see signs of hope. The Dangote Group is one bright spot, but we need more companies that manufacturer products for domestic consumption. Nigerians have an entrepreneurial spirit which is one of our strongest characteristics, but I feel that we are squandering our talents.

We have two groups of people holding us back from that. The domestic greedy politicians who make money from importing generators and the international politicians who want Africans to depend on them forever The main thing is that if we don't export raw materials then America or China would probably just kill us all to be honest.

Europe/America does business with us with a gun to our head. They kind of force things on us. We don't give, they TAKE. There isn't much money in extracting, it is all in processing, that is where jobs are created. We don't need anything from the west, we can make everything in Africa. But they have a HUGE army and they will just TAKE. Most wars are fought over resources of some sort.

@Horus
I am not sure about the congressmen because this style of democracy isn't for Nigeria IMO but this is a good list. More engineers, business people, etc. But we need INFRASTRUCTURE first. We have many engineers who can make products but we have no power to do it. So we import from China.

This will be good for investors. But we need leaders who can be in the world wide light. Can GEJ be that man?

@Horus
The middle class needs to grow, the poor need to be educated and get good jobs to join the middle class. This will help the economy more. A big middle class is great for the economy. Africa's middle class is growing slowly, it needs to go faster. The rich are getting super richer. You need to look at the Gini index this needs to drop in Africa in total.

@OP
YES at least the Indonesian put their corrupt money in Indonesian banks, Africans put it outside of the country. That is the BIGGEST PROBLEMS. CAPITAL FLIGHT!!! We must no longer accept any foreign aid from anybody because it is owed back.Capital must stay in Nigeria. Put the 20 billion dollars in Nigerian bank and that bank can give loans to people which will create jobs. The Asians and Europeans come to Africa because they have CAPITAL!! They are no smarter than us. There are many Nigerians who can run big businesses but there isn't enough money in bank compared to other countries.

Education: Free education until university. We also need our education to teach our true great history and about tolerance to other ethniciryies. We should be learning our own language in school as well. Free education for anyone studying science, technology, and for doctors lawyers. We need more of them for our economy. Free healthcare for children under 5 and pregnant women. This will reduce the child, infant and maternal mortality. We don't want our future dying.I see that the government is serious about the power situation. We need roads and railroads. People will spend less money on fixing cars and more on other products.This is better for distribution. Once we have full power then we will get more factories, people will spend less money on generators and more on other products.

About South Korea, thy have a VERY protectionist history. The IMF wouldn't let any countries do that today. Read the book Bad Samaritans by Ha Joon Chang to understand that. Also, the problem with Africa is the resources and that the west will do anything for the resources. Including killing our leaders and supporting bad dictators. Look up Patrice Lumumba, Thomas Sankara, and look up the bad dictators Mobutu and Campore. If you look at Mauritius, they are decently developed because no countries want their resources because they don't have any.

There needs to be money invested into agriculture. We need to get a tractor manufacturing company to build tractors and other farm equipment to build the economies food. We should be a net exporter not net importer. Also, we need farming schools to teach people how to farm so more people can become farmers, this creates millions of jobs.

Nigeria can be a G20 nation and be developing over 20% a year if all of this happened.

afam4eva:
I just don't see how Nigeria will change. Even protesting won't change anything. Like someone said, we've fought a war. We have rioted. We have protested,. Women have protested bare-chested, yet nothing happened. Nigerians are just getting used to any situation they find themselves. I can imagine if another war is occurs in Nigeria, the president will probably be telling us that he's on top of the situation and that foreign investors should not panic. That's how bad Nigeria has gotten and only a special intervention from wherever can salvage the situation.

Most people on NL are in privledged positions. Middle to upper class people who travel the world. But the average Nigerian is not that way, very poor living with nothing. Gaddaffi made sure every Libyan had a house what has GEJ done with all this oil money? PDP just steals everything. They are controlled by foreign powers and do as their masters say. Look how they let Gaddaffi die and didn't do anything.Gaddaffi and Mugabe STAND UP FOR AFRICA. Gbagbo too what is GEJ doing? Giving national awards, going to australia, france and other countries to get foreign investment.

WE DON'T NEED ANYBODY WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED IN AFRICA. Goodluck should put money into the military industrial complex not ship the money overseas. Atleast put the money in a Nigerian bank, do something for Nigeria. These criminals have been stealing and this is democracy? rather have Gaddaffi as pres than GEJ. He needs to stand up to imperialism and back himself up. He shouldn't go to foreigners for weapons, he should be making his own ships, planes, guns. THis will keep people working instead of boko haram.

Those Boko Haram boys could be in the military fighting for the country but now the military is fighting against the. If it wasn't for the SAP by IBB in 1980s then this wouldn't be here. Every Nigerian should get free education and every pregnant woman and child under 5 should have free healthcare. Instead of building hopspitals we build CHURCHES! Instead of building schools we build MOSQUES!! We pray for god to save us but how long have people ben praying for?

Nigerians will be slaves forever unless they stand up to imperialism and make thier leaders do their job. Democracy doesn't work everywhere. We don't need house and senate all that bull shit. We are not ready for that, we need one person with one goal and vision.

[quote author=E-Engineer link=topic=822392.msg9752394#msg9752394 date=1323733894]please Nlers, why are we exchanging words with this jobless, useless, attention seeking, shapeless NaughtyWoman calling herself rhodesia, i cant believe we even let this thread reach a 2nd page, she is worthless and if we give her a listenin ear we might just be givin her somethin gud to feel about

useless caucasian riffraff,u r lucky this is a faceless forum, go and tell that to the next negro u see walkin on the street and see what will be done to you, animal[/quote]I don't condone violence but I love to debate racists. It is easy to put them in their place. If you have a knowledge of your true history then you can put them in their place. Don't listen to his-story read your own history.

@9jaganda
People are not allowed to trade in anything but dollars. That is called economic imperialism. If you trade to America, they will only give you ollars. If ou ask for another currency then you will end up like Saddam who wanted to trad in Euros. Or Gaddaffi who wanted to trade in the African dinar DEAD!.

China is willing to trade with a barter system. They were trading with Ivory coast cocoa beans for products. But the west doesn't want that.

Once the west gets out of Africa's business it will be better.

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjlY6kl8c0k&feature=g-all

If she was Caucasian, would they have done the same thing?

The Naira's value is moving up and down as we speak because politicians are trying to move the money out of country. Probably to Dubai. KEEP THE MONEY IN THE COUNTRY!! DAMN!! Atleast put them in Nigerian banks so people can get loans, to star businesses. That is what Indonesia does.

But you are right, Nigeria is getting better little by little but it isn't fast enough. It could be SO much better. Right now, Egypt has a 1 million man march. Would Nigerians ever do that to stop corruption?

I mean that Nigeria can have almost all the citizens employed in 4 years. It is really easy if hey exploit agriculture, tourism, and manufacturing correctly. But the senators are stealing everything and putting the money abroad. That money never makes it back to Nigeria anyway so whats the point in putting it there?

This is true, also the political model and culture as well. We don't need to have all these Senators and house members who just waste the money of Nigeria. There shold be a homegrown model for that as well.

Also the culture, Nigerians shouldn't wear foreign clothes, only Nigerian clothes. This will revive the textiles industry.

Kobojunkie:
It's funny that you took the line in bold as  that line actually refers to people like you. Your house is on fire but you are busy looking for ways to blame the neighbor for the fire rather than working on putting out the fire before it engulfs your home. ROFLMAO!!!! 

It is really sad that you highlighted that portion of his post that makes no sense to what he says, but you pretend it does without realizing it actually indicts you and your kind. ROFLMAO!!!

Anywho, give it a rest already!! Please come January sign up for ENGLISH COMPREHENSION CLASSES so you can learn how to at least comprehend the English language. Communication is not just about being able to write but to a greater deal is about COMPREHENDING information presented you.

What is the ROOT CAUSE of the fire? Who started the fire?? FIGHT THE FIRE!!! THE FIRE IS THE WEST!!! You are soooo silly.

If my house caught fire, i would go to the cause of it and fix it.  The fire was put there by the west.  So instead of giving up and moving to America, I go fix and take the west out. DO you get it? Or are you too slow and too busy watching MTV and CNN  lol.  THe government has you right where they want you. Controlled.

Olodostein:
@KoboJunkie
Listen in toto. Before you open your mouth to assassinate other people's character and mock their condition, you have to bear in mind that you are not immune to attacks in any form.  The way you throw the word imbe-ciles loosely shows that you have no respect nor regard for the handicapped. Yet, you want to posit yourself and make us believe how you were "perfectly" raised.  You are nothing but a bloody Hypocrite and a bitter woman. If you were to caricature imbe-ciles insensitively in front of your 'privileged yankee' friends or workmates, you would either be fired from work and deserted. You don't even understand the environment you are living in neither have you learned an iota from anything there. If you were raised to hate yourself; the root of your tree, the land of your parents, your identity and everything associated with it. Those who did that to you must have damaged you and your sense of belonging. You are a lost sheep, carelessly left to roam in the wild by an uncaring and out of touch shepherd. You need redemption.

If you think you know everyone by the back and forth exchange you have on this forum, then you must be really sick in the head.  Your sentence composition is not even coherent. What kind of mind do you possess?  A weak and bitter mind. If I were asleep, you won't be able to beat me in any subject matter. You are just a town crier who come to the internet to rant and ramble.

You are fond of mocking Nigerians on this forum even when it is absolutely not warranted. People find themselves in difficult circumstances and you mock them. Do you think you are better? What audacity do you have to put negativity in everything Nigerian? If you think you are living in a 'glorified paradise', your day of reckoning is coming.  I bet you won't be spared at the slightest chance. You will also have to explain to your child, why she/he is being ridiculed because of the colour of their skin. You will have to explain to them why they were left behind for promotion. You will have to face these realities; if you are not facing them already.

Every country has it owns myriad problems. Nigeria is no exception. She is in bad shape today does not mean that tomorrow can't bring forth good, whichever way it comes. You don't compare a nation at war with a nation trying to sort themselves out. How do you justify when innocent people are targeted for the colour of their skin?  If you were in Libya, I am certain, you wouldn't be spared. And my Nigerian brothers and sisters were lucky to come back alive against all odds. Instead of show solidarity, you compare Borno with the New Libya? How much insensitive can you get?  Do you know War? Have you experienced it? Do you know what a war zone looks like? Do you know the meaning of anarchy- where a radical on the street thinks he is the law?

For the record, we the eastern businessmen are in the center of the largest city and market in Northern Nigeria. The fact that BH operates in fringe locations does not mean that the whole country is held at ransom, no matter what/how they want to make you believe. If the eventuality happens, we are ready to defend and protect our families, colleagues and comrades and what we have earned.

What makes me feel good is that we are not bunch of Cowards like you who run away from your own problems. If your house is on fire, do you run to your neighbours to hide or do you put out the fire, so that you can later make repairs and continue living in it with DIGNITY, PRIDE and SENSE OF SELF?

That bolded part at the end was an amazing line. I am going to use that in the future. Olodostein, I agree with you on everything you say.

Kobojunkie:
aaarrghhh . . . It keeps posting, humiliating it's upbringing in it's attempt to humiliate another. Our people say that when a child open's it's mouth to speak, he inadvertently reveals, through use of words, and kind of words used, the sort of home he came from.
https://images-4.findicons.com/files/icons/1039/manto/128/scared.png
Where are the parents of this to drag it off here before it essentially destroys any respect they have left ooo.

Stop with all these stupid icons you are silly and not funny. Laughing at other people's miseries. if your father came back from war would you laugh at him?

Ikengawo:
^that, and the fact that protesting isn't the solution for everything. The average nigerian would behave like an animal if he had access to the nations treasury, sadly our super theif politicians are probably in the bottom half of greedy self people in nigeria, the difference is they have access. All the people that would protest pay and rwecieve bribes on a daily basis with no source of correction. At least the nigerian government created the efcc to monitor and better itself as flawed as that institution is. What has the average nigerian done to make themselves less corrupt? Who are they to protest? Besides nigerians haven't seen 1/5 the corruption and evil congo has. R u willing to compare gejs election to kabilas?

The EU and America rigged the elections with Kabila because Kabila is a puppet who does whatever the west wants. The west owns Congo for like 120 years. Killed Lumumba and supported Mobotu, kill Kabila of 2001 and supported the current guy. The west also does the same thing for Nigeria.

If I was president of Nigeria, I would serve the people, not myself.

Those leaders should at least keep that money in an Nigerian (at least African) bank, why put it in the west or Dubai to support their economies?

Did you watch the news untold story about this situation? Here is a link: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-822696.0.html

Kobojunkie:
Look at this ADD Conspiracy theorist calling another person dull simply the person chooses not to be as mind_fked as he is. Imagine this troll yet again descending to posting UNRELATED media in order to push his crazy agenda as somewhat sane?

You should learn by now that you rarely say anything new . . . . all you do is reveal how deep down that rabbit hole you have progressed with each post of yours that I am caused to read. Seriously, give it a rest already.

You have no knowledge outside of CNN, FOX and other mainstream news. That is why you are close-minded.  You act like America is always doing the correct thing and helping people. Why did they go to Iraq. Afghanistan, and Libya? Why are they fighting in Somalia and Yemen and killing innocent people?

IT IS CALLED IMPERIALISM!! The history of America is imperialism first genocide of the Native Americans.  The other Europeans did a genocide on all of the Americas.  Before the Carribean Islands had Africans and other people there, there were Taino people. Europeans exterminated them.  Australia, New Zealand aboriginal people EXTERMINATED. Look at what they are doing in Israel to Palestinians. AMERICA SUPPORTS ISRAEL. AMERICA SUPPORTED THE APARTHEID!!

I bet you that is America were to attack Nigeria tomorrow you would say it is justified. You are so brainwashed.

THESE ARE NOT CONSPIRACY THEORIES MANY PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO CATCH ON!!! READ A BOOK!!!

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=822093.msg9745148#msg9745148 date=1323653490]Why is it a conspiracy. Maybe you know something we dont? Or are we suppose to just believe what is told to us on the tv no matter what? Again explain why it is a conspiracy?[/quote]She is close-minded and believes everything the TV tells her. Even after people disprove it with FACTS she will only believe the TV. And people call her wise lol.

Rhodesia:
There were no negroes in spain.

You are in denial you idiot. I gave you PROOF and there are many books about it. YOU ARE IGNORANT!! Do you read? Or are you too busy doing cocaine?

@Kobojunkie
Also watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzLXDryB44&feature=share

NO watch these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajwa_Z7FteI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O4OyWmJelY

ARABS ARE NOT MOORS!!! The berbers and Moors conquered spain first in 711 there were 6000-7000 CHOCOLATE Africans and 1000 berbers

Kobojunkie:
A conspiracy theorist proclaiming that all those who do not heed his ramblings(ramblings that have been shown to be just that so many times over at this point) are blind, deaf and dumb and foolish  . .   .  . . (Talk of being stuck in a loop). . . . so what's new?    

The house has been burning from the fire set by those inside -- infact it is crumbling and may not hold for longer, but this one is still shouting that disaster is coming from outside . . . . https://images-2.findicons.com/files/icons/1039/manto/128/laugh.png

You are a close-minded idiot KoboJunkie. I don't know why people call you "wise woman" you are really dull. DON'T WATCH CNN, FOX, BBC MSNBC they are biased and control the minds of the people just like they are controlling you. Watch Russia Today, Press TV, and investigative journalists, they tell the truth.

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id_vR9RswSs&feature=fvst

There was an illegal war in Libya this war and you still call it a conspiracy theory. You are an idiot. How much proof do I need to give you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFPayzr8dSM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkMLsqeQNEM&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCA5Ixo6MX0

GET OFF NAIRALAND AND READ A BOOK!!

Rhodesia:
Moors were Berber/Arab = semi civilized Negroid = Uncivilized.

Moor discreditting of African histoiry man I already studied people like you.  Same shit new generation. Berbers are berbers and the MOORS ARE MOORS they are DIFFERENT!!

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Even Shakespeare wrote a play about a Moor, Othello.

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