Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:48pm On Sep 17 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:42pm On Sep 17 |
raumdeuter: The cognitive dissonance from you who just voted Ed Markey who would be 86 when his term ends
Where did you bury your head when Diane Feinstein was sick and died in office at 90yrs Do you even know what cognitive dissonance means? Let me help you. "cognitive dissonance" a state of mental discomfort that occurs when a person holds beliefs or opinions that are inconsistent, or that conflict with an aspect of their behavior:
So show me my inonsistent believes. 1.) Show me where Ed Markey looks or is behaving as incapacitated as Mitch McConnell 2.) Show me where I spoke out positively about Diane Feinstein. In fact I thought she should resign and I think they should have changed the law so there is a trigger to force people in that situation to resign. Now back to that word cognitive dissonance you don't seem to understand. There are example after example of you and Republicans still trashing Biden while silent about McConnel, a situation a hundred times worse than Biden. That is the definition of cognitive dissonance. You are the definition of cognitive dissonance. You and your acolyte, junior less-old troll, should really understand the words you are trying to use/argue with. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:32pm On Sep 17 |
bemeruca: Dude why are you so slow? I have showed how your pure water argument is against you, and you move to the next diarrhea of thoughts.
Your argument shows that regulations are not enough to stop someone from doing the thing. Like I said in my last post, government will regulate, they already have some, but if you are afraid what you are building will kill us all, STOP BUILDING IT. this is so basic and it bugs my mind how you can't get it.
My point has nothing to do with altruism.
These AI companies are the ones telling you and me that what they are building could become an existential threat. So if the developers reach a point where they believe their next step could kill everybody, thry do not need the government to force them to stop taking that step.
Regulations can be there, but again, your NAFDAC pure water argument shows that it is not enough.
Open AI and Anthropic are always trying to 1up each other. No one knows what their RnD department is working on. If it escapes, the government will know when its too late. I can't. This whole thing reads like someone who can't really speak general English while trying to use American English idioms he doesn't understand at the same time. I can't. He said it's not about altruism but doesn't seem to even know the meaning of the word. Poor child, altruism is exactly what self regulating out of concern for the harm what you are working on can impart on others when there is no law to worry about to get you in trouble if those harms do arise. altruism: selfless concern for the well-being of others, without care for one's own interests; unselfishness: "some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"But I'm out. Reading your poor AI written posts is testing my patience, Maybe bayelsaowei can engage you because he has more patience. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:36pm On Sep 17 |
Just leaving this here. Need the same energy from Republicans who went after Biden.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:32pm On Sep 17 |
Republicans are beginning to go after Trump on immigration. The polling must be really bad.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:15pm On Sep 17 |
ribbit: Dayummm What is your purpose with posting things that any normal person can see are lies? This thread is so weird. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:14pm On Sep 17 |
bemeruca: No drummy, that's not what I am saying. government regulates anything that hurts consumers, the environment or people.
They are there to protect the people; they do it when they see issues.
When an AI company is building something they believe will kill us all, but instead of stopping, they continue to build it while asking the government to stop them from killing us, that does not make sense.
My point is and always has been about monopoly for the giants. They don't have to ask government to regulate, the government is already doing that.
Who do you think produce the regulations the government will impose? The AI giants, because they know all the dangers which is AI will kill us all.
That's not to say I am against government regulations. I am saying regulations fail, so instead of continuing and asking government to regulate, why not stop?
Your speeding analogy also creates another problem for your position. People violate regulations just like your pure water lady, she violated health standards despite government regulation.
So what makes you think a regulation written on paper automatically prevents an AI laboratory from doing something dangerous behind closed doors?
How does government know?
How does government inspect the training process?
Again, NAFDAC regulates, but a woman still prepares dirty pure water. It is when it reaches the public that people will find out. By that time, some people have already consumed it.
So if AI is going to kill us and the AI companies continue to head towards that way, government regulations will not stop anything, only self regulation will. This post. Let's leave aside how insane it is that someone is so insecure in their command of logic and the English language that they have to feed their posts through AI. If you don't feel how you write can convey your thoughts on a subject, maybe you shouldn't be trying to convey your thoughts on that subject. But even more insane, is even with the use of AI, the post is a poorly written muddled mess of logic and reasoning. Your argument breaks down to: Even with written laws, people will do things that endanger other people. So, government regulations don't work. So, we shouldn't write laws because if we let them self-regulate, they won't do what endangers people. Because: People will only not to things to not endanger other people out of some altruistic reason when they are allowed to self regulate But those same people won't do it for altruistic reasons when they are forced to regulate. Common sense right? Yes, only to people who use their heads as soccer balls. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:18am On Sep 17 |
bemeruca: This is why you should stick to what you are good at and use very well (deal-thoughs).
Your pure-water example actually proves my point.
That water seller is breaking regulations that already exist.
NAFDAC can regulate, inspect and punish, and people still find a way to sell unsafe water. So regulation clearly isn't some magic switch that stops dangerous behaviour.
there's a bigger difference here. The water seller is not standing in public saying "my product could kill everybody, please regulate my whole industry"
while opening three more factories to make even more of it.
That's the contradiction I'm pointing out with AI, and why it is irrelevant to this hysteria.
If a company genuinely believes their systems could become catastrophically dangerous, go rogue and start killing all humans like in the Terminator movie, then they already have the most powerful safety mechanism available: don't build it.
Or at least hold yourself to the same restrictions you're asking government to force on everyone else.
If a training run is too dangerous, don't run it. If a capability is too dangerous, don't release it. If a model needs heavy safety testing, test it before you deploy it. You don't need Congress to stop you from doing something you already believe could kill people.
That's my issue with the over exaggerated claim. when all the biggest companies tell us, all three of them, at once: this technology could be catastrophic, we must keep making it more powerful, and government must regulate everyone building it. Especially when those regulations cost more for small companies and open-source developers than for the giants who can easily absorb them. One should be able to question the hysteria.
The water seller is chasing naira and ignoring the law. The AI companies I'm talking about are warning us about the danger while continuing to build it themselves, and asking government to regulate the whole market around them. Those are two different things.
You pointing to one Nigerian illegally selling bad water doesn't answer that contradiction.
Stick to using deal-th😐ughs This guy basically said: We have speeding laws but people still speed, so why do we need the law. We should just let people self police their speed. I can't imagine having AI help write something and still having the logic so backwards. It takes a special someone to do that. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:02am On Sep 17 |
People who are at the forefront of creating AI Super Intelligence are saying this technology is potentially very dangerous and begging to put regulations on it, because it is a race and so everyone will do whatever they have to do to to get there first without the regulation. And the people who can't even turn on a computer without the aide of someone else are saying, just police yourselves.
We are living in an incredibly dumb timeline. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 12:55am On Sep 17 |
bemeruca: This is why you should stick to what you are good at and use very well (deal-thoughs).
Your pure-water example actually proves my point.
That water seller is breaking regulations that already exist.
NAFDAC can regulate, inspect and punish, and people still find a way to sell unsafe water. So regulation clearly isn't some magic switch that stops dangerous behaviour.
there's a bigger difference here. The water seller is not standing in public saying "my product could kill everybody, please regulate my whole industry"
while opening three more factories to make even more of it.
That's the contradiction I'm pointing out with AI, and why it is irrelevant to this hysteria.
If a company genuinely believes their systems could become catastrophically dangerous, go rogue and start killing all humans like in the Terminator movie, then they already have the most powerful safety mechanism available: don't build it.
Or at least hold yourself to the same restrictions you're asking government to force on everyone else.
If a training run is too dangerous, don't run it. If a capability is too dangerous, don't release it. If a model needs heavy safety testing, test it before you deploy it. You don't need Congress to stop you from doing something you already believe could kill people.
That's my issue with the over exaggerated claim. when all the biggest companies tell us, all three of them, at once: this technology could be catastrophic, we must keep making it more powerful, and government must regulate everyone building it. Especially when those regulations cost more for small companies and open-source developers than for the giants who can easily absorb them. One should be able to question the hysteria.
The water seller is chasing naira and ignoring the law. The AI companies I'm talking about are warning us about the danger while continuing to build it themselves, and asking government to regulate the whole market around them. Those are two different things.
You pointing to one Nigerian illegally selling bad water doesn't answer that contradiction.
Stick to using deal-th😐ughs If you were anyone else I may look past your AI written drivel and school you again. But alas, it's you and you're too thickheaded to understand and dishonest to boot. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 9:32pm On Sep 16 |
Most of the people in this thread saying AI companies should self regulate live in a country where the government doesn't regulate. Do the companies do? No.
Buildings fall down because builders use and are sold shoddy materials, builders take short cuts to maximize profit, roadside sellers pass typhoid like it is a free gift with purchase and all types of goods from the benign to the necessities of life are counterfeited. Everyone just chasing as much naira as they can grab, people's lives be damned.
It's insane that people are so blinded by whatever bias they have they aren't even using their most basic life experience. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 9:25pm On Sep 16 |
bemeruca: You are deficient in common sense. Why can't they self-regulate instead of begging the government to regulate them?
Despite NAFDAC and government penalties, you still see someone making pure water out of dirt, right?
So how does it concern the AI discussion? My point is, if they say AI is going to kill us, why ask the government to put a defensive mechanism on it when you can self-regulate?
Why not stop building or advancing the thing if they fear it is going to kill us all?
As I said, this is to monopolize the market for the big players and to absolve themselves of responsibility.
Pure water has nothing to do with this. The regulations in the US will not affect China; they will continue to push. They are constantly experimenting on autonomous war machines as we speak Guy who lives in Nigeria is asking why companies don't self regulate. He then says pure water producers who are chasing naira and don't self regulate themselves when they are producing a good that can make people sick(typhoid, etc.) has nothing to do with it. The answer stares you in the face but you lack the ability to even grasp it. I assume people aren't as shallow as you. You constantly prove me wrong. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:42pm On Sep 16 |
bayelsaowei: Alright.
Iran must not have an “already destroyed” nuclear capabilities.
😃😃😅😅. Trump's head is going to explode. He tried to make up a fake prosecution for his old handpicked Fed chair for not decreasing rates and his new hand picked Fed chair turns around and increases them. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:40pm On Sep 16 |
bemeruca: How is pure water related to this? Are there no regulations for dirty water?
People who are making AI are begging the government to regulate it that it will kill us all. Make that make sense if you are not gullible. This guy is asking how people producing pure water in unsanitary conditions is related to the government telling AI to self regulate. The guy can't figure that our yet wants to have an open on AI . This guy isn't in the US, but there are people like him in the US. People, who can't figure out how to tie their shoes but who think their opinions are useful on things like should we regulate AI companies |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:08pm On Sep 16 |
bayelsaowei: This doesn’t mean regulations shouldn’t be in place during its early stages.
I think we should all listen to ourselves and establish a middle ground on this topic, so that the concerns of all are addressed. I find people who make declarative statements like Bemeruca did very low IQ. Just a fundamental lack of imagination and thought. The best people in AI are warning about the dangers and are scared of the possibilities, but Bemeruca knows best. Saw a video today on this site of a woman basically packaging pur water in a very nasty environment and thought of all the harm she is causing people because she is more concerned about making moiney. Things really do well when we let industries regulate themselves. /s |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 4:13pm On Sep 16 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 4:10pm On Sep 16 |
happney65: He thinks he is in nigeria where tinubu and wike has the judiciary in their pockets I hate that we have to say at least it's not as bad as Nigeria. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:41pm On Sep 16 |
happney65: President Trump blasted the Supreme Court justices he appointed after they ruled against him on mail ballots, tariffs and birthright citizenship, portraying their decisions as a personal betrayal.
https://wapo.st/4xoMPva
Guy thinks he is Tinubu and Wike that has the judiciary in their pockets..  The worst part is that the Supreme Court has given him most of 40-60 cases where he is on the 40 end. Birthright citizenship - spelled out in the Constiution Tarriff power - spelled out in the Constitution USPS powers - spelled out in the Constitution. The cases all should have been 9-0 against. The problem is that he does things that are so unconstitutional that they can't even help him and yet he still complains. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:37pm On Sep 16 |
cococandy: So he is back for a day, and now he will be gone for another three months on tax payer funded medical leave. But others don’t deserve that because they’re not worthy of it.
Their kack humanity is out of this world. This is so on the nose for Republican politicians. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:35pm On Sep 16 |
raumdeuter: Liberal beta men always trying to prove they are not lacking testosterone and end up looking phony
Gavin Newsom went inside a pond fishing to tape an interview
Like Tim Walz who went on a gun range to prove he isn't tampon Tim
Both attempts fell flat There is such a chasm between the superheroes Republican men think they are and who they actually are. Here we have an almost 60 yo guy who looks like the before pic in an Ozempic ad talking about men trying to prove they are not lacking testosterone. Just cut all the phoniness/pretend and talk about the ideas/proposals these politicians bring to the table that will really improve your life. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:29pm On Sep 16 |
benalvino3: Conservative men like the woman, liberal men like IjeBos like the dude.
Our thread younger (30 y.o) pretend Christian troll is posting more homoerotic pictures he "found" online where the wannabe Christian culture warrior is celebrating a woman plastering herself naked everywhere. These guys don't even understand what they are supposed to be pretending to represent. |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 9:47pm On Sep 15 |
happney65: Breaking news: Leaders of the Kennedy Center have voted to close the venue.
Critics have accused center leaders of exaggerating the building’s physical problems to justify a closure they say could conceal financial mismanagement under President Trump’s leadership.
Washington Post A normal person would be embarrassed that the tried to put his name on someone else's memorial. It's like putting your name on someone's tombstone. But not Trump. He just keeps going. Making it worse and worse. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 9:32pm On Sep 15 |
raumdeuter: Th so called picture by Rpublicans, You seem to be the only one here posting it and have posted it several times You mean the so-called picture every major news site is talking about? Yeah, I guess if I hadn't of posted it, it would mean it didn't happen and no one was reporting on it. More Raumdeuter logic Clearly see why you're a republican. Lol @ Raumdeuter acting his age, not being able to use social media properly and falling for every scam that pops up on his Facebook. raumdeuter: You moved from there to animal fetish Some of the parables in your posts now starts to make sense Almost 60 year old dude probably spent a couple of hours searching my old posts to write this. My guy, go drink your prune juice and play with your grand kids. I'm sure at your age you have more productive uses of your time.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:31pm On Sep 15 |
Just bought my ticket to Naij fox Xmas.
Had to pay a Trump incompetence tax on the ticket. It's going to be a pretty expensive Christmas travel season. Plan accordingly. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:20pm On Sep 15 |
raumdeuter: Looks like you have the picture as your screensaver now. You now want to add beast-grindr to it
You have weird fetishes RNC posts picture of man in a bikini on the jumbotron at their mid term convention. Raumdueter: perfectly fine Ijebos reposts pictrue calling them out Raumdeuter: Why are you posting an image of a guy in his bikini, you have weird fetishes. Raumdeuter's "logic" in action. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:18pm On Sep 15 |
cococandy: They’re so obsessed with homo-erotism Obsessed. Someone had to initially think it was a good idea. Find the image, download it, load it into the system to display on that screen and still it was a good idea. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:59pm On Sep 15 |
Really though, wtf is going on? Why is a political party putting this image up at their convention? Even in a normal year this would be insane, but in the midst of an Iran war, record diesel prices, Middle East turmoil, advent of AI, inflation, a teetering economy and bond market instability, this is what Republicans are focusing on? They have made the US a deeply unserious country.
I think we are understating the nuttery of it all.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:53pm On Sep 15 |
raumdeuter: Your browser history will be interesting from grindr to bestiality within a few hours. Might explain why you cannot live and coexist with other human Grindr crashes during Republican Midterm convention as they display a bikini clad man. Republican FBI director wants to make not disqualifying to be an agent if you have had bestiality. Indeed from Grindr to bestiality within a few days. The values of Raumdeuter's Republican party. You can dislike the Dems, nut only total cultists aren't able to call this stuff out.
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Sports › Re: Australian Athlete Joanna Wietrzyk Pooed During HYROX Beijing Race by IjeBos(m): 4:16pm On Sep 15 |
Sounds like there aren't a lot of real competitors in this thread. Athletes compete. Was she supposed to stop? That's real toughness on her part. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:41pm On Sep 15 |
raumdeuter: Are you considering that as an aternate lifestyle The OG troll, sometimes Christian, sometimes not, voting with the party that wants to normalize Beastiality. You can't make this up. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:40pm On Sep 15 |
cococandy: No I feel like responding to him.
I’m quite capable of blocking him like bemeruca, kacynski and a bunch of other blocked trolls here, also quite capable of ignoring him like others whose names even irritate me to type.
If I’m responding to him is simply because I want to.
Of course his opinions don’t matter and he can’t vote anyway. As is applicable to a lot of posters here. He just happens to be the most delusional irrelevant one and it’s amusing. Allow me to be amused .
Also, if I only spoke to those who can vote and aren’t trolls, I’d be bouncing ideas back and forth with only ijebos (which is great cos he’s great) but we wouldn’t need this whole thread for that. Coco, you don't want to talk to me the whole time? lol. I hear you though, it's good to have a counter to really test your ideas. The problem with this thread is that there aren't a lot of options for that. It's a tough balance. |