Konkoja: Cry more, you bloody loser! Your heroes are being tried and getting locked up. You are free to come and join in looting shops, burning Police vans and libraries. Be prepared to be attacked as well, because you don't look like them, no matter how hard you carry water for racists.
I thought they were hard, see them crying and begging for leniency 😀😀😀
Absolute scum of a human being!
He's made up of contradictions and hypocrisy. He's a wannabe Canadian asylum refugee drumming up hate for asylum seekers and immigrants. Imagine that. And he does all this from the comfort of seeking asylum in Canada or if that's already failed, from the distance of Nigeria. And then he repeatedly posts this UK stuff in an American Politics thread so he can pretend he's better than other Nigerians by showing he has some international connection, one he doesn't have with the US. He's quite transparent and sad.
bemeruca: let us start again, How is Elon Musk on welfare?
It's quite hilarious that you, raumdeuter and LordAdam16 employ the same strategy when you get called out for being wrong on something as if you've been taught this strategy somewhere. You start by obfuscating by trying to argue some point that was never made or in other parlance, lie. And then you repeatedly spam that lie. The commonality is wild.
bemeruca: @Ijebos, you still haven't told me how you equate Welfare to Subsidy why you think both are the same thing.
Why don't you take the time you spend trolling links about Muslims and do the research yourself. It's Econ 101. What's amazing to me, is anyone I know would have taken the time to google it instead of repeatedly making himself look a fool. But, again you seem to enjoy looking like a fool.
Not sure what Secret Service is doing here, but she may need a new detail. There is no way Vance and entourage should have been allowed to breach her plane's security envelope like this. Harris is the current VP, a constitutional officer and 2nd in line to the Presidency. They should get answers from the SS director as to what was going on here.
bemeruca: you have been called dumb by most people here despite always shouting Harvard. How do you equate Welfare to subsidy?
This should be a basic concept for most. But you aren't most, you're vapid.
You jumped into a conversation without even understanding the vocabulary of that conversation. You literally asked how one equates a subsidy with welfare. Jesus I'm sure you'll try to obfuscate and bullshit your way through this as well.
bemeruca: And you don't know this basic thing. This is why DEI is bad.
How do you equate subsidy to welfare?
Do you think Elon needs money from Govt to survive or the Govt is pushing an agenda of replacing combustion engine so they subsidy EV production so dumbos like you can buy it at cheap. So how does the government wanting to promote the growth of EVs by investing in it = welfare?
I told you the rule. If you are asking these questions based on something I said, assume there is answer out there and you are the one misunderstanding or just too stupid to understand. Let's go even further, take this argument you are making and sit with it.. maybe for a week giving how vapid you are.. and maybe you'll see the correlation.
I just find you really dense and don't even want to invest energy leading you to the water.
kkins25: Or, is it the same, "I'll clear corruption in two weeks(even though I have no plans yet), vote for me" kind of thing.
I'm sorry were you referring to Trump here?
But, how does this argument by Raum address any point?
raumdeuter: Try to become one of these billionaires too so you can get your own subsidies and handouts
Listen, cococandy wrote a good post on what it is like having a discussion with Raum and most conservatives on here. And like clockwork he proves her right, again.
bemeruca: You don't know what socialism is. Subsidy they get is for you to be able to afford their product by making it cheap.
Government wants you to buy EVs so they want it affordable. If you cannot distinguish the difference here then I feel sorry for you
The help Tesla is getting is to bring cost down. They cannot sell at loss.
Here is a rule for you. If you read something I write and think I am mistaken about something, 99.99% of the time it'll be because you are mistaken and have missed the point of what I am writing. Why? You have the intellectual depth of a puddle of water.
raumdeuter: Try to become one of these billionaires too so you can get your own subsidies and handouts
Raum: I think socialism and welfare are bad. Me: What about all the subsidies(socialism and corporate welfare) people like Musk get? Raum: That socialism and welfare is good.
In fact do you think Tesla/Musk getting extra help in form of subsidies and rebates, to produce EV's, in order to level the playing field with Gas cars was good or bad?
raumdeuter: If you believe that they are getting subsidies and handouts by being billionaires, then you should also become a billionaire so you can get your own subsidy and handout
Your argument is all over the place. So, subsidies and handouts are ok if you're a billionaire. You should probably take a look at how some of these people became billionaires.
cococandy: Trying to debate you would mean that I’m validating you in saying this is true and you believe in personal responsibility and I don’t. Which is simply not true.
I and most democrats I know hold amazing jobs and pay our fair share into the society. If anything red leaning republican states are the heaviest dependents on social welfare. It’s a fact. But you don’t care for that truth. None of you care for the truth as we’ve all come to realize.
But All we ask is that our tax dollars don’t go to give billionaires handouts just because they have the politicians in their pockets. Or to pad the pockets of war contractors who go around the world sowing discord so that they can profit from weapon sales.
We want our money to go towards funding education and meals for children, healthcare for everyone, real maternity benefits to encourage young people to have children like you guys so badly claim you want them to, improve disability benefits for disabled people, better wages to meet inflation and/or price regulation for these greedy corporations. You guys brown nose greedy thieves and tell yourselves you’re promoting personal responsibility. If you really care for personal responsibility you wouldn’t support oligarchs who are often given insane financial bailouts when they flop due to greed as they often do. What an irony.
You make up a truncated position and try to fit who you think is your opponent into the opposite box. Since I do not fit into the box you created and don’t stand for any of the things you’re claiming, it’s pointless trying to debate you. Because when you get cornered, you’ll make up another lie and try to start arguing on that. It gets exhausting.
You’re not a unique republican. I’ve been there and done that. It’s a waste of energy because a lot of you don’t live in the real world of facts.
raumdeuter: My favourite party is one that promotes personal responsibility, you kill what you eat, you cater to the children you bring to the world, you plan for your old age when you are working. You dont give birth because you want the society to raise them for you. You work hard to get what you want out of life. Not blaming and pointing fingers at someone holding anyone down
Its personal responsibility
Does that really sound like the current Republican Party. Or even self-made man Trump? The Republican party is the party of the robber barons who have to spew this story to continue to syphon off wealth from the people who believe it. Case in point, Elon Musk, how much of his success was due to Government subsidies or handouts?
cococandy: I know people are going to twist it to say she means because a neurosurgeon drives a Ferrari then a store clerk should too.
When equality of outcomes simply means that if a neurosurgeon shouldn’t die of hunger or lack of adequate healthcare then it should be the same for a low wage worker. Access to basic human needs shouldn’t be restricted to only the wealthy and high class.
I would like to see her expound on this, but it sounds as she is talking about basic core things as you noted. i.e. school. A kid that is developmentally challenged should get more resources so that they can graduate. I think that's how it works in my state at least.
Everything they’ve been calling socialism is what other prosperous 1st world countries have been doing for their citizens without going bankrupt because taxes fund it
Here they’ll charge exorbitant taxes, then the giant corporations who have bought the lawmakers will lobby them into passing laws that benefit only the oligarch. Finally they’ll send their minions into the streets with propaganda about “who will pay for it?” “it’s socialism. bla bla bla”. And they lap that ish up. Meanwhile Elon and Jeff are enjoying socialism at our expense while being the loudest voices against it
Though Biden will most likely be remembered for being one of the better Presidents, this was one of the reasons I thought we needed a change. We needed someone to push a counter message for this stuff. Instead of letting the GOP define it. I think Harris/Walz can do that. Walz is doing it so far.
happney65: "How nice of the Trump camp to help publicize Gov. Tim Walz's compassionate and common-sense policy of providing free menstrual products to students in Minnesota public schools! Let's do this everywhere." Hilary Clinton
I have always been a proponet of free menstrual pads to be given to young teenage girls. This is common sense.
If you can distribute condoms for free. Sex that can be optional while a woman's monthly period isn't. Now making jest of that policy by the GOP is rubbish..
This whole thing is weird. Attacking him for this. Attacking him for free lunches for school kids. They are kids in school. Give them what they need to just focus on being kids in school. The GOP is really really lost.
AmazonTopaz: @ijebos, the two intifadas that happened who suffered the consequences? What makes you think that chanting intifada when you are not militarily superior is a good thing? Protesters chanting intifada and glory to the resistance are idiots.
I hear, but it still doesn't change the meaning of the word. I'll leave it there as my views of protest even when you are in no the superior position is a longer discussion. But, a big driver of the civil rights movement were students who weren't in a position of power. So, I think Campus protests are very important.
AmazonTopaz: In regards to the article you shared, there is no mention of Netanyahu using it. I didn't see it there let me break down what "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" means.
Here is Netanyahu using it. “This conflict is not about the lack of a state of Palestinians but the existence of a Jewish state,” he said, according to a translation from i24News. “Every area we evacuate, we receive terrible terror… and therefore I clarify that in any arrangement, in the future the state of Israel has to control the from the river to the sea,” he continued, repeating a phrase that Israeli supporters have claimed is a call for genocide when used by pro-Palestinian supporters. https://www.salon.com/2024/01/18/from-the-river-to-the-sea-netanyahu-says-he-told-biden-he-opposes-any-palestinian-state-after/
Would you also say he supports genocide?
AmazonTopaz: Lastly, my faith is somewhat between Christianity and Deism or inbetween and my support for Israel has nothing to do with religion. Religion doesn't interest me that much and it definitely does not influence my decision making and ideology. I don't believe that Jews are a special people or believe the Bible to be infallible. My support for Israel is the common sense position as someone who believes in liberties and democracies.
What Hamas represents is none of that, what the Palestinians support and teach their children is none of that.
I believe that you are an intelligent fellow so what do you mean by wanting me to define terrorists i hope that you are not asking me this question to try and defend Hamas?
I am not the founder of English language but let me break it down for you according to the dictionary.
A terrorists is someone who uses unlawful means such a violence, fear and intimidation to threaten civilians in the pursuit of a political goal. Now, in line with this definition let me tell you how Hamas are a terrorists group.
Hamas the political representative of Gaza which was founded in the 1980's has in it's earlier charter that it aims to annihilate the Jewish state, read article 7 of the charter. Wanting to exterminate a people and a nation is not just a political ideology but genocidal too.
How does Hamas go about this objective, it is very simple attacking unarmed civilians and killing them was done through violence, intimidation and fear, it is unlawful because it is not lawful to take a life without justification, what was Hamas' justification in killing civilians which included foreigners on October 7th. Hamas' leaders live large in Gaza and use their money to buy ammunitions and weapons instead of focusing on governing.
With this very little points of mine, did I fail to convince you that these terrorists indeed fall into the category of what it means to be terrorists or need I say more?
So, by your definition you argue that Hamas is a terrorist group. Ok. So, by your definition how do you argue that the Netanyahu government is not a terrorist group? Especially when the Israeli government allows Settlers to commit violence against Palestinians.
basilico: Crap. Amazontopaz has schooled you. So now your ex graduated from top two law schools? She drives a cyber truck? Has she been to the moon as a tourist via Virgin Atlantic? She has the juiciest titties ever designed by God?
Ferk you.
Comprehension seems to be hard for you. I said one of two top Law schools. I use that for her anonymity.
IjeBos: Also, my long term ex graduated from one of the two top LAW schools.
And I've spoken about her before. You can search this thread. In fact she was gorgeous as well. And that ass..
But you wouldn't understand dating beautiful and smart women. You're a loser.
AmazonTopaz: Who controls the Gaza ministry of Health? You expect me to believe anything Hamas says? Do I sound like a fool to you? When has warring sides ever been truthful about the death toll even Israel is not innocent here either for example, They announced that 1400 dead Israelis and foreigners to 1200 dead Israelis and foreigners.
The death count in war are never accurate but estimated and as we have learned from history they are revised over and over again either being reduced or increased and don't trust both sides death toll reportage.
I'm a data person. I gave you a link showing the data of them being pretty accurate. If you have an issue at that point it's a bias because it's not based on any data or facts.
AmazonTopaz: Also why I am skeptical about the death toll from Gaza is simple, they never mention the dead terrorists but conflate all of them together and that makes no sense. Break down the estimates or get lost.
Let me ask you again, how do you define terrorists?
AmazonTopaz: Stop talking about Republicans here and focus on the issue when you see these students carrying intifada placards and river to the see chants what is intelligent about it? Explain to me why Harvard and other ivy league students will be carrying terrorists slogans in their protest?
You still haven't defined who a terrorist is.
And I assume they are using those words/slogans because they actually know the meanings of them. -About Intifada
Intifada (Arabic: انتفاضة, romanized: intifāḍah) is an Arabic word for a rebellion or uprising, or a resistance movement. It can be used to refer to an uprising against oppression.
AmazonTopaz: I am sorry do you read SCOTUS opinions like I do? If you do you will see how dense they are. Kavanaugh is a bad writer and speaker oh please among Republicans your qualification is unnecessary just share their terrible ideas and you get the jobs.
In fact I do read them. Mostly all the one's I think are important. I usually post the links here when I do. I also used to sit in Laurence Tribe's constitutional law class at times. Find Constitutional law very interesting.
AmazonTopaz: Oh so you admit that they act unintelligent? We are getting somewhere then. You can be intelligent and support terrible positions those people while supporting these terrible positions do not exercise intellect while doing it. I agree with you here and their intellectual dishonesty is why they are wicked but they are no intellectuals. Thomas is far from intelligent and so is Kavanaugh.
I never said they are unintelligent, just intellectually dishonest. Yes, you can be intelligent and support terrible positions, usually because you have a bias. Hence why I asked you about your faith. I find a lot of Hard core Israel supporters in the US do so because of their Christian faith. And I usually have a hard time discussing with them, because then it becomes a religious debate or akin to questioning their faith.
AmazonTopaz: Thousands of people apply to those schools more than half of them rejected are also intelligent and so other factors came in, those factors are what got them in. Not just intelligence which is exactly why they come into these schools and sound dumb on TV. If entering these schools was strictly by meritocracy many of them would not get in. Let's be serious here.
It's much more than half. Harvard Law school has a 15% acceptance rate. And this 15% is from people who thought they met the very rigorous standards to apply and thought they may have a chance of getting in. What impressed by about these top law schools, most of the people there had GPA's in the 4.0 and above range, which means they worked hard, but they also had to score in the 96%-99% range in the LSAT which I think is as close to an IQ test as it gets. Pretty hard to increase your score. So it wasn't just working hard, it was also high IQ. I believe certain people are more brilliant than others. It's just facts.
Also, my long term ex graduated from one of the two top LAW schools. I think very highly of my intelligence, but, when I hung out with her classmates I always left very impressed.
AmazonTopaz: They need to read a book to know that the Hamas controlled ministry of Health in Gaza inflates fatality counts and any info they give you must be very scrutinized.
This is factually wrong. The ministry of health numbers are generally trusted if not even low. A lot of people buried in rubble. At the end of previous wars the Ministry of Health numbers matched what others including Israel ended up reporting.