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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:44pm On Jun 12, 2024
budaatum:
Are you equating buda with basilico the lying kraken qanon conspiracist?

He called you a liar, and you then go on to tell how citizens are called for jury service, having assumed he does not know citizens are called for jury service. And the reason you think he doesn't know citizens are called for jury service is because "they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US". But have you considered that he might know but still thinks you are lying all the same, or is calling you a liar because he likes winding you up like he constantly does? After all, we've discussed 2 cases here very recently, both of which had juries. Or do you think he thinks those jurors who were peers of the accused were brought from Mars?

This is why I accuse you of gaslighting. But it now seems like you just create a narrative that fits your beliefs instead of considering likely alternatives.

Sorry, but I am not accepting your 'all swans are black' illogic a la, basilico doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US, therefore buda doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US. Its shoddy logic and lazy reasoning, and not what I'd expect from a Harvard graduate, and if this is a perfect example of anything, its one of how you wrongly infer and claim it was implied, and then fit the data to your wrong assumption, just as you repeatedly did with me. And all it does is say more about you than those you want to say anything about.

I haven't lived in USA, and neither have I ever been there, but I know citizens are called for jury service, and if I didn't know I could just decide to educate myself by googling it wherever I am, or just read a book about jury service in America, or even simply logically deduce it from the fact that a jury of one's peers must be citizens from one's community. And that's apart from the fact that I have done jury service three times myself and therefore ought to know despite never having been to USA.

And before anyone infers from this that I am defending the liar basilico, I mule his kraken 2000 times so that idea is disabused.
You picked the wrong hill to die on.
Go ahead. Intimate I'm lying again.
At a point your judgement is in question for trying to call me a liar about something so silly. And back to my point it would be silly if you lived in the US and understood the culture around jury service. People try to get out of it, not sit on them. But again neither you nor Basilico live here. So, where is that perspective coming from? Nowhere...
And what I have I posted that I haven't had receipts to back up?
Had to go into my file cabinet for these. You can google what these are.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:34pm On Jun 12, 2024
budaatum:
Are you equating buda with basilico the lying kraken qanon conspiracist?

He called you a liar, and you then go on to tell how citizens are called for jury service, having assumed he does not know citizens are called for jury service. And the reason you think he doesn't know citizens are called for jury service is because "they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US". But have you considered that he might know but still thinks you are lying all the same, or is calling you a liar because he likes winding you up like he constantly does? After all, we've discussed 2 cases here very recently, both of which had juries. Or do you think he thinks those jurors who were peers of the accused were brought from Mars?

This is why I accuse you of gaslighting. But it now seems like you just create a narrative that fits your beliefs instead of considering likely alternatives.

Sorry, but I am not accepting your 'all swans are black' illogic a la, basilico doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US, therefore buda doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US. Its shoddy logic and lazy reasoning, and not what I'd expect from a Harvard graduate, and if this is a perfect example of anything, its one of how you wrongly infer and claim it was implied, and then fit the data to your wrong assumption, just as you repeatedly did with me. And all it does is say more about you than those you want to say anything about.

I haven't lived in USA, and neither have I ever been there, but I know citizens are called for jury service, and if I didn't know I could just decide to educate myself by googling it wherever I am, or just read a book about jury service in America, or even simply logically deduce it from the fact that a jury of one's peers must be citizens from one's community. And that's apart from the fact that I have done jury service three times myself and therefore ought to know despite never having been to USA.

And before anyone infers from this that I am defending the liar basilico, I mule his kraken 2000 times so that idea is disabused.
Basilico didn't understand how people are called for Jury duty. That is clear. 1.) Why would he? He doesn't live here so it doesn't affect him. And he doesn't seem like a voracious reader of non propaganda. 2.) The time frame is different from state to state. The frequency of being called almost ensures people will serve.
The point of getting called to Jury Duty is so that people can serve on those juries. And because a lot of people actively try to get out of jury service, if you don't try to get out of it by lying to say you can't serve or lying to say that you are biased etc. etc, there's a good chance you'll serve on a jury. But, if you've ever been called, you may not understand that. So, if you don't live in the US, that is a cultural reference you would have no way of knowing. And why would I lie about serving? In the US, it's generally believed that only idiots can't get out of serving jury duty. And for that record what I have lied about in this thread?r

As to you.
You are a Nigerian who lives in the UK. You have two whole cultures I'm sure you are curious about and want to know the intricacies of. To spend so much of your free time on the US is nuts I think.
Further, I've noticed a pattern with you, you get emotional and then seek attention/affirmation from the same people who abuse you. It's not an endearing quality. I didn't want to say it, but Bemeruca is right about you, even a broken clock is right 2x a day. You are two-faced. And to top it off, I'm not even sure what your true values are. You seem to flip flip readily because you don't want to lose arguments. Pick a lane. And fyi, this third person shit of calling yourself Buda makes you look nuts.

I've warned you about getting at me and tried to be patient with you. As you can see, I've exhausted that patience.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:15pm On Jun 12, 2024
basilico:
Ah good. Noone doubts you are in America, we doubt how you suddenly have experienced every situation that crops up. Like you infering you was almost thrown infront of a train because you was with a white lady.
On jury summons , I give you a pass.
Happy,?

Just saw, California 55% Latinos will also have to pay for $800 billion in reparations to blacks.
I guess people get summoned to Jury Duty so they won't serve on Juries. You're a fuxing idiot.
But what a shocker that the guy who doesn't live in the US, and has no tangible interests in the US doesn't understand the requirements of US citizenship.

Most of your posts here are trash, because you really don't understand the US and spend your days and nights posting misinformation. You guys make this thread a cesspool of misinformation. For what purpose? Because you want to hear yourself talk about something you don't understand? You've succeeded. Create more BS posts so you can feel like the smartest least informed person here.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:58am On Jun 12, 2024
basilico:
Liar. Lies.
I've sat on juries. More than once.

I've experienced racism in London with my white girlfriend.

Bemeruca range Rover eat your intestines from sunrise to sunset.
See Budaatum, here is a perfect example of someone not knowing what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US. As a US citizen you are required to appear if you are summoned for Jury Duty. I'm a US citizen and live in MA. I can be summoned once every 3 years. I cheat a little and postpone it for a year. So every 4 years. I believe in my civic duty so when I appear I don't try to get out of it by lying and saying I can't be impartial. I've been selected 2x. 1 was a long trial, I think 3 weeks. The other short, 1-2 days. The other times, sat read my kindle and waited. Most of the trials those days settled.

If you want to spend your life deluged in topics regarding a country you've never been to, it might behoove you to understand it's basic customs and practices.

Here is the 2019 postponement. I don't even think I had to serve because of Covid.
Below that is the 2024 summons I postponed.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:39am On Jun 12, 2024
budaatum:
Been watching MSNBC, and have found them to be much fairer on this. I do dread what I'd find on Newsmaxx and OAN though, as they are usually dump promoting pacs. Fox, well, I don't see their point to be honest, and the Jones channel is not even news but a diqhardener selling channel.
You don't have any UK stations? Aren't you in the midst of an election? I'm sure there's some interesting things going on where you live.
Foreign Affairs › Re: President Biden's Son, Hunter Convicted On All Charges In Gun Trial by ijebosb: 7:55pm On Jun 11, 2024
Good Article: Biden should have fired the Trump appointed Prosecutor once he got into office. At that point it became a political prosecution and Biden had too much belief in the rule of law to interfere.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:53pm On Jun 11, 2024
Good article.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:33pm On Jun 11, 2024
raumdeuter:
The law was made so that drug users who will be mentally unstable and cannot be rational don't get their hands on guns
I wonder why you got triggered by the "Mentally unstable people who can't think for themselves"
You literally posted misinformation you were fed and are now talking about thinking for yourself. Why don't you tell us again how the NY state prosecution was the same DOJ office as the Federal Prosecution.
Repeating misinformation and then acting like you know what you are talking about is common for you as you do it here often.

Now tell me, how someone who is unstable and not rational can fill out a form saying they are stable and rational? What mens rea can they have in that moment? I'm sure the Supreme Court will also find the form illegal the way it is currently written. It hinges upon someone believing they are an addict. How many addicts think they are addicted?

You see the difference in the fawning proganda your posts are based on and how my posts are constructed?
That's the difference with someone who thinks for themselves.

Let's go even further. How many other addicts have they prosecuted for owning guns.. I bet it's almost 0 if not 0. Let's go even further, they spend tons of money prosecuting this case, couldn't that money have been better spent in a case with better policy outcomes? That's the problem with this, the DOJ budget isn't infinite, and so they have to pick and choose priorities. How was this a priority? I can easily explain why Trump's prosecution was. How bout spending the Money we spent on Hunter on asylum cases to decrease the wait time.. etc. etc.

But you haven't sat and thought this stuff out. Too complex for your small mind to understand. It's all "Biden's son got convicted.." Yay!
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:14pm On Jun 11, 2024
raumdeuter:
That is the problem with the media which end up pushing mentally unstable people who can't think for themselves into fanatism

2 convictions Trump and Hunter by the same Justice dept. Fox news and CNN will try to bend themselves into pretzels convincing that one is just and one is unjust. One is right and one is wrong
He said "mentally unstable people who can't think for themselves" while pushing untrue propaganda showing he is a "mentally unstable person who can't think for himself". lol

1.) It wasn't the same Justice Dept. One was a State prosecution the other Federal prosecution. State and Federal are two different entities. Even further, The Federal prosecutor was a Trump appointed prosecutor who Biden let stay on and was elevated to a Special Prosecutor.

2.) Just because we have 2 similar things doesn't mean they are the same. One thing can be right while, the other is wrong.

Example:
I can easily explain the policy objective behind the Trump prosecution:
We don't want presidential candidates breaking campaign finance laws to deceive voters before an election. Because voters should be able to understand who they are voting for. Trump was the head of the organization, so we want to try Trump to prevent others from doing the same.

Now you go ahead and explain why the Special prosecutor tried Hunter Biden and ex addict for lying on a gun form while let off the Gun store Dealer for lying or fraud on the same gun form. What was the social policy goal there? Was it to get more illegal guns off the street? If so, why not prosecute the gun dealer who clearly committed fraud?

When you open your mind and think for yourself, the depth of analysis and understanding opens up.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:02pm On Jun 11, 2024
budaatum:
Yet, she sat on the jury and convicted, as the evidence required her to.

Guess that is sufficient evidence that USA is not bananas.
I'm not sure your point.
I've sat on juries and I've always thought that juries do their duty conscientiously and follow the evidence and law regardless of their feelings.
So I think it makes my point.
If the Supreme court found say X. And someone was tried of X. Most juries would convict if they found the evidence was there despite their feelings on X. I say most because some may nullify.
Foreign Affairs › Re: President Biden's Son, Hunter Convicted On All Charges In Gun Trial by ijebosb: 6:55pm On Jun 11, 2024
Geovanni412:
They already have weaponised the conviction but not in the way you think

The article says that the prosecutor, David Weiss was a Trump-appointed attorney in Delaware

That information is useless to the conviction, its only purpose is to throw veiled political undertones to the case.
It does have political undertones. He was a Trump appointed attorney who Bill Barr let stay on, who Biden didn't fire when he took office. There was a plea deal between the parties that was aggressive for the crimes. They Trump appointed prosecutor went back on it because Republicans politicized it. If this wasn't Biden's son, this trial would have never happened. People rarely get prosecuted for this.

In fact, to make this fair, anyone who smokes weed in the US and owns a gun, would be prosecuted. It is rare for this type of prosecution without an underlying crime with the gun.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:41pm On Jun 11, 2024
budaatum:
CNN is gaslighting by making it sound like Hunter's drug was marijuana which many see as a less harmful drug and is legal in some states, and not crack cocaine that is not legal anywhere.
Marijuana is illegal federally. This was a federal prosecution. Hunter lied on a federal gun form. So, anyone who smokes marijuana should be prosecuted just as Hunter was. That is the point CNN is making.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:39pm On Jun 11, 2024
The case “seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars,” one female juror told CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-trial-06-11-24#h_49def32184abfa994afffb9347a238e3
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:18pm On Jun 11, 2024
happney65:
See,I understand your point. For and against.

However if the parties involved are not okay with the judgement there is a chance for an appeal isnt it?

Cool.

But the fact that the son of a sitting president can be found guilty on crimes he committed is a good one. This can only happen in the united states' of America.

We hope in Nigeria,the son of a sitting president,EG Seyi Tinubu can be tried too of crimes he committed.

If he didn't commit any crime,you know there is nothing to charge him with.

We in Nigeria would love us to experience such justice system,But hey,Back home,out justice system is for the highest bidder
I agree with this sentiment and I think that's the reason why Biden is so determined to show that the RULE of LAW works by saying he won't pardon his son.

He did commit a crime. And he was found guilty of it. But normally the Justice system works to advance Social policy. And brings cases to do such. The Justice system spent millions of dollars to convict an addict of having a gun for 10 days based on the fact he wrote a book to help others and called the police to report the gun his sister threw away What policy goals does this serve?

And we haven't talked about how this treats one person differently than others. Weed is a controlled substance. So technically millions of Americans who smoke weed and own guns should be facing criminal charges as well like Hunter Biden.

This was an overzealous prosecution.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:10pm On Jun 11, 2024
budaatum:
The last few days have been me arguing that the United States is not a banana republic so they can't get away making 4 black votes equal 1 white vote, but I've been informed that I am ignorant and don't know what I'm talking about because I don't live in America, so, sorry, I don't believe you.
This whole thing is a non-sequitur. I honestly don't even understand what this means. Let's leave alone the usage of the term "banana republic". People have somewhat contorted the meaning. The rule of law is determined by what the law is. At a point the constitution said a black person was equal to 3/4 a white person. Was that a "banana republic" based on what I think ur usage is?

budaatum:
Show me your America Passport or your entry visa on you non-American passport to prove you are in America please. You may email it to me using the email on my profile. Photos of bridges will not be accepted.
You sound hurt, emotional and increasingly ridiculous. How many times have you spoken about me now? Grow up.

Some of the things you say betray an ignorance of the US. Of course they do. As would some of the things I say would, if I spoke at length about the UK, only being there for short periods. Or did you think by watching US news, never studying US history, government and not ever stepping foot in the US, you'd know everything? There is that pride/ego I'm talking about. The truth is you can't know what you don't know.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:51pm On Jun 11, 2024
happney65:
Of course. But because the system still working well,his plea deal was thrown out of the window.

So when you people want to talk about weaponisng the DOJ,I hope you can look yourself in the mirror and see your hypocrisy.

Anyone found guilty should have his day in court.

Be you a Former President or the Son of a sitting president
I keep going back and forth with Budattum about the dangers of right wing propaganda. Because it infiltrates the system.
I'm not calling you out but this is an example.
The point of Justice wearing a blind fold is that Justice should be meated out fairly and without favor.

So, if you look at the plea deal, it was actually HARSHER than anyone else would have gotten.
But Republicans politicized it and made the Trump appointed prosecutor backtrack.

How do we know it was harsher, we can easily compare comparable cases.
This gun case is rarely if every charged without an underlying crime.
The Tax case is rarely charged criminally if people pay back their taxes.
These aren't subjective statements, they can be objectively verified by going back and looking at similar cases.

But Republicans politicized it, propagandized with the "sweetheart deal" verbiage. And good people repeat it and believe that he was in fact getting a sweetheart deal when he wasn't.

Here is Trey Gowdy, no friend of the Biden's, who was a Prosecutor on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvstdFw-g-I
Foreign Affairs › Re: Breaking News: Hunter Biden Convicted On All 3 Felony Charges by ijebosb: 4:44pm On Jun 11, 2024
This is a bad outcome. Hunter Biden was treated worse than anybody whose name wasn't Biden.

1.) This case is rarely every brought outside of someone suing the gun to commit a felony.
2.) Every American who smokes weed and buys a gun would be held to the same account. They are not.
3.) They immunized the gun store owner who sold Hunter the gun who forged the gun forms. Imagine a similar situation where a drug/gun dealer gets immunized so their testimony can be used to prosecute a drug/gun buyer. What governmental policy does that move forward?

Biden should have fired this Trump appointed prosecutor when he became President. Democrats always try to hard to seem fair and they always get screwed by it.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 11:27pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
I'm certain you've heard it said somewhere that UK is the 53rd (or 51st to some) state. I'm also certain you are aware of United States' impact and influence in UK and Nigeria and the world. So don't you ever tell me I have no right to an opinion or don't know what I'm saying just because I disagree with you! Its silly, childish, and lame.

Damn! 3 supreme court justices of the United States of America's Supreme Court who live in the United States of America just told you water is not wet and you can't excise them by claiming they don't live in America lol.

The political culture of USA is the most broadcast in the world. And I watch both the right and left of it and read extensively unlike you who blinds yourself to some sides of it because they hurt your head. In fact, claiming to understand the culture because you live there is you trying to swing a fallacy since you can't possibly live in all of America with various diverse cultures depending where you live, so please stop with the gas!

That's you. Though I must wonder why you bother to come on to a Nigerian forum to argue with Nigerians about USA. Were you expecting we'd bow down to your supposed superior knowledge because you live there perhaps?

Do you tell the magas who disagree with you that they don't live in USA too? And what would your response be if they claim you aren't qualified to speak because you are just an immigrant?

As I said, there is no requirement for me to do what you do. But if you think we are all not qualified to discuss the United States of America that we don't live in, perhaps you are in the wrong forum discussing with the wrong people!

And for your information, I would gladly go to an Israeli forum to tell them Netanyahu is being a diqhead. And I don't need to live there or have my tax fund them to come to that conclusion or say so.
I don't care what you discuss, I just care that your discussing it from a place of knowledge. And so let me be honest, some of things you say aren't said from a place of knowledge. Facts, wrong, law wrong, culture wrong. These are objective things. Less so than Bemeruca and Basilico, but still objectively wrong on some things. And then I have to tip-toe around it because at my core I don't like telling people they are wrong or calling people out unless they are dycks. A place where you're creeping up on.

And to be frank, I think it's the height of pride to argue that you can know something without experiencing it. Maybe it's the scientific side of me, but I couldn't. I would need to immerse myself and study something fully until I wouldn't feel like a fraud or inauthentic talking about it. And so what is my goal? Is it to be right or gain knowledge. For me it's to gain knowledge.

budaatum:
The political culture of USA is the most broadcast in the world. And I watch both the right and left of it and read extensively unlike you who blinds yourself to some sides of it because they hurt your head. In fact, claiming to understand the culture because you live there is you trying to swing a fallacy since you can't possibly live in all of America with various diverse cultures depending where you live, so please stop with the gas!
You like these down low insults don't you? Leave them alone. Let's leave who reads what alone as well. I don't like listening to most of Fox News because the arguments are weak and made for dumb people. It's propaganda and so doesn't broaden my horizon and wastes my time. It offers 0 value to me. I can get the sum of that by reading a headlineon National Review let alone the article.

What you are doing here is arguing against education/experience. The believe that you can understand something or know something second hand. But what you are doing is understanding that thing from the perspective of the medium you are watching/reading. A friend of mine got her PHD in french literature, spent years in France. Why was that necessary? Why didn't she read the stuff in a book? I find this argument you are making hard to understand.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 10:56pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
I am insulted by you when you gaslight me. So you cut that shit out and stop accusing me of what I never said!
Again. I am making inferences from what you are saying.
If, you say people can move to other states.
The inference from that is that you believe everyone has that ability(money, time etc) to move. Is that not the proper inference? If not what should I infer from that statement?

budaatum:
Don't you minimise people when you can't even bother to listen to what they have to say?

Me, I minimise the stupid idiot. He is a worthless piece of insignificant shit who isn't even worth listening to or estimating.
I also don't go to a Mental asylum and listen to what they have to say when they are eating pudding do I?
Tell me what should I listen to them about. Christians who tell me to vote for Trump? People talking about law and order while calling felons from Jan. 6, prisoners? Tell me which one of the many inconsistent positions I should be paying attention to?
I read the National Review which is supposed to be the intellectual side of the Conservative Movement if I need an alternate perspective. And that is difficult as well. The conservative ecosphere is a grift peddled to people like Basilico and Bemeruca.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 10:08pm On Jun 10, 2024
Amujale:
All those that would choose rejoice Trump's conviction ought to wake right up and smell that coffee, due to the fact that, this type of violations will be used against anyone, this could might be the beginning of "Lawfare".

What is Lawfare?

Lawfare is said to be the malicious use of legal instruments in way that somewhat guarentees a conviction (in the Manhatten instance, a reversible conviction for the reasons stated earlier as well as other legal arguments that are privy to the legal acaademia and their highly coveted community.) by any and all meams possible.

In other words, 'Lawfare' is said to be the "weaponisation" of a legal system.
Looks like you've been reading a lot of Right Wing Conservative sites. You should diversify your reading.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 10:07pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
You are either gaslighting or just playing dumb or you really are dumb. I watch them precisely so I know the right wing perspective and to know my enemies so I can conquer them.
Hey, cut this shit out. I'm not insulting you. Cut the shit out.

budaatum:
I suggest you watch them a bit too so you can see how stupid and ignorant and ineffective they are. You might fear them less once you see how lame they are.
They are so ineffective they have you watching them? I cant watch them, it hurts my head to listen to tortured logic. You said you watch Newsmaxx, Infowars, OAN and Fox? Why? If I want to understand conservative thought I read National Review and even that is a struggle for me (tortured logic) and all.

I think when you minimize people, you start underestimating them. That's what Dems did when Republicans were winning local board seats, then state houses, then gerrymandering which lead to more State House seats, and super majoirites which passed ballot restriction efforts. Then to replacing appointing Republican judges like Judge Cannon and finally getting 3 justices appointed when Trump won.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 9:56pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
The below is from the link you posted. The bolds are my notes, except the last one where I let the article speak for itself.

You are afraid they'd try, and I am confident the system would ensure they fail. And to kind of claim your opinion is more valid, you appeal to the stupid lame, "you don't live in the USA"!
Again, it's akin to someone arguing that water isn't wet and the Supreme Court taking that case and 3 of the 9 justices agreeing that water is indeed not wet. Did the Supreme Court work, yes. But, the fact that not only was the case taken but 3 justices ruled in favor of just an obscene position, is highly concerning on its face. Again, research the independent state legislature theory. The argument boils down to certain actions can't be reviewed by courts. 3 members of the Supreme Court ruled that there are some laws that are passed that courts cannot weigh in on. 3 members of the Supreme court decided courts can't weigh in on certain actions. lol.



budaatum:
I have 2 question for you.

If the USA decides 4 black votes would equal one white vote going forward, what will black you who lives in America do?

And why do you think your opinion on Palestine and Israel should be considered since you've never lived in Israel or Palestine?
My argument vis a vis PAlestine-Israel is based on the fact that my Tax Dollars fund Israel. My arguments are always focused on how Israel's actions affect the US because of that support. I try to be as knowledgeable as possible but I also understand I have blind spots because I don't fully understand the culture not live there. Would I go into a Jewish/Palestinian forum and argue with people who live there? No.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 8:19pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
Repeatedly lying that I don't care about certain people is the same way stupid idiot keeps lying you're gay. You even use the same scaremongering he uses to promote fear and hatred of others. Only an infection of his stupidity can explain you doing what he does

Incidentally, just seen it reported on Newsmaxx that AOC is scared dump would imprison her if he wins. I had to laugh, since she'd have to commit a crime before he can touch her. And I bet she'd fight back and win.

But of course she never said she was scared, and Newsmaxx was gaslighting like I am accusing you of doing.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. But they are way too many ad hominems in your post.
What scaremongering am I using.
I read your posts and gave a critique about them. The issue for you is to figure out why your posts are giving the impression they are. They read as if you are unconcerned about the costs of war vs. action now. You are always talking about the nuclear option of civil/revolutionary war as if that is a good backstop.

The problem is I don't think you are unaware of some of the issues I'm referring to. And that's ok. What is not ok, is to attack me because of your unfamiliarity with them.

I think you're spending too much time on some of these Far right news stations like Newsmaxx. Outside trying to get perspective of Right Wing talking points, I'm not sure why you would suffer through them.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:40pm On Jun 10, 2024
A leaked audio recording of Justice Alito has been released. He's a Christian fundamentalist politician in a robe.

Justice Alito Caught on Tape Discussing How Battle for America ‘Can’t Be Compromised’
Justice Samuel Alito spoke candidly about the ideological battle between the left and the right — discussing the difficulty of living “peacefully” with ideological opponents in the face of “fundamental” differences that “can’t be compromised.” He endorsed what his interlocutor described as a necessary fight to “return our country to a place of godliness.” And Alito offered a blunt assessment of how America’s polarization will ultimately be resolved: “One side or the other is going to win.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/samuel-alito-supreme-court-justice-recording-tape-battle-1235036470/

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:26pm On Jun 10, 2024
bemeruca:
See the photo I took near the Supreme Court.
See, I'm currently on Mars.
Well, that is based on how you define proof.. lol.
This idiot really posted a screen shot of him lying to people that he is in the US as proof that he is in the US.
Your 419 is weak.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:22pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
I never said anything of the sort. I am pointing out to you that Americans will not just roll over and accept what you suggest without resorting to the use of their AK47s! But long before they get to to your hypothetical imaginary state, they'd sort it out democratically. Even Nigerian judges would find it difficult to do what you suggest, much less USA that is beamed all around the world and has much less docile we the people.

As for you going there. Its a dumb argument that isn't worth the time, especially if your getting there involves a lot of silly impossible hypothetical scenarios along the way. You sound infected by the stupid idiot. That's the only reason I can think of for you calling me gay like he repeatedly does you.
I get it now. You think they are impossible, they are not. There were a couple of cases in the Supreme court about it and a lot of concern amongst constitutional scholars.
One was the Independent State Legislature Theory. Basically a fringe theory case the Supreme Court agreed to hear, because some justices seemed open to it, which freaked out everyone paying attention.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained
You've made some assumptions that because you were unaware of the legal basis to what I was arguing it was silly, dumb and impossible.

And the Nigerian judiciary isn't a good example. I think it actually makes the opposite point you are trying to make.

Calling you gay? When did I call you gay? Infected by who?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:56pm On Jun 10, 2024
bemeruca:
Then take my challenge. I know you will die once you see it. I am challenging you on that.
I never understood Internet fraudsters before. Or people who get caught lying and continue to gaslight. Mind blown.
I guarantee you are lying about living in the US, for some 419 fraud.
Fear Bemeruca and liars like Bemeruca.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:50pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
You took your time, lol.

Guess I got to leave you to it then. Its silly though, very.
Lol. Of course I had to go there. Lol.
It was partially getting at you because you are writing very cavalierly about all of this. As if it's a book you're reading where the characters are just words on the page.
Your basically saying, let's just have a civil war or revolution to solve it. Lol.
As is people won't die. I wouldn't say that about the Uk.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:46pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
More on the rhetorical? Really? That's what that stupid idiot does, and he too claims there's points behind it. See him posting that fascist racist ex-convict Tommy Robinson as evidence for free speech. Its like posting Kkk to prove how well blacks are loved in America.

I'm going to ignore your appeal to being holier than thou. It is patronisingly condescending and beneath me.
It was a rhetorical, but I think I've argued the point behind it. Some of the posts you write seem to ignore the realities of people without means or a times make the assumption that everyone has the same wherewithal or agency that you do. Not everyone does.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:38pm On Jun 10, 2024
budaatum:
This is basilico's mules 2000 line, and was dump's kraken too. And if I remember correctly, he tried taking it all the way to the so called 6-3 Supreme Court, but even they weren't having it. So pray tell, why would I have it from you?
You are doing what the media does so well, both siding it. You fell into the trap that Trump and co have created. What has allowed them to be so effective in what they do. They lie about everything,. so then everyone assumes everything is a lie or just thorws their hands up and doesn't care. Just because Trump's lies about Jan 6th were bullshit, doesn't mean the institutionalized means of corrupting an election such as gerrymandering aren't there. I never understood the desire to appear impartial, when that means removing the ability to objectively review sides of any argument. A can be false without B also being false.

budaatum:
In the United States of America, Ije? A country where the constitution allows people to open carry AK47s and where nutters shoot children in schools? Or do you think some who disagree wouldn't use their AK47s instead to sort out those who do such nonsense?

Do you also expect those supposed 3 on the Supreme Court who disagree to be quiet and say nothing too? And what about all those who voted and had their votes stolen, would they too be silent, along with the party that was cheated, and CNN, and MSNBC, and WSJ and NYT and Wapo, and BBC, and Aljazeera and even China and Russia and Iran who would be laughing their heads off at how low USA has fallen?

I'm not going to live in fear of your hypothetical impossible scenario, sorry. But if and when it does happens, do hola me. The revolution will be televised live on the 10 O'clock news and I would definitely enjoy watching we the people burn Rome.
This is weak sauce form you. Just FYI, the Biden campaigns lawyers Gamed out such scenarios during the election with Trump. They gamed out that Trump would try to steal the election, and took step after step to prevent it. They gamed out the the House would try to overturn the state's electors. That's why they had Biden give updates and had attorneys ready when it did happen.

Btw, the 3 Supreme Court justices always right dissents. What would change? Also, look at the sates of WI, OH and NC and their extreme gerrymandering. Look at how long they were gerrymandered. And the kind of things/policies that happened. Did the citizens revolt?

As I said you seem to have 2 poles. Complete faith that nothing bad will happen and then this view that a violent revolution will make it better if it does happen. You seem to miss all those people that will die in the 2nd one, vs doing the work now to ensure the 2nd one never happens.

And I hate to say this, but you don't live in the US, so you can chalk this up as a impossible hypothetical because it won't affect you.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:14pm On Jun 10, 2024
bemeruca:
Stop crying, try and get some sleep 🤣
Holy shit, you are really really invested in this lie.
A person who was telling the truth would post a passport, a flight ticket a pic of them in the US, like the ones I've posted.
Instead, you post personal chats with Jayedna and Obum, revealing their personal info, where you are lying to them, telling them you are in the US.
Lol.

You are fuxing nut. That ish is undeniable now. Lol
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:50pm On Jun 10, 2024
bemeruca:
You gonna take the challenge or not 😎
Listen, I wonder if Jayedna wink has ever seen pictures of you in the US.
I doubt she believes you. Look at your response to her.
"It's fun if you ignore politics and some crazy shit. The ferry is nice."
Tell me you don't really live in Seattle without telling me. As if everyone walks around talking about politics
I bet she would love to know you are running 419 on her and posting your chats with her to run other 419s. cool Lol.

You're a bigger nut than I thought. I assumed this was a Nairaland meant lie. But you're spreading this lie in your real life as well.
You one fuxing broken person.

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