₦airaland Forum

Get a chicken. Watch roaches vanish. You'll even get eggs in return.

Ndigbo in the Fourth Republic should not worry about attaining the presidency. We should worry more about building up the economies of the South, creating more jobs for youths, increasing medical access, and all around amending the Quality of Life issues faced by our kin. I despise this mindless and self-serving search for more titles as if claiming that will change anything. A fool who becomes president does not stop being a fool; one more title won't matter one bit, so what's the point of agitating so angrily for the Presidency and making it a matter of pride? Taking care of the internal problems our people face today should be a matter of pride: taking care of the corruption, taking care of education, the security issues, lowering mortality rates, etc. That list goes on. Build up your home first.

What I am not saying is that we should abandon politics, but what I am saying is that we should expand our field of vision, because the current perspective is way too narrow for my liking. Our people have traditionally had a saying: "Igbo enweghi Eze" a testament to the self-determinant nature of our ancestors. Maybe it's time that some among us realize what that fully means.

Of all that's been said here, I agree that this is a Berom / Hausa-Fulani issue, not a religious one. Oversimplification, I think, is always a problem with Western media--they do not understand how strongly ethnic loyalties to once homeland pulls, and thus divide along the lines of religion at the first sight. I read something similar just a while ago concerning Ndigbo in Jos, so I'll just reiterate the same to my Yoruba cousins: stay calm and united; act only in self-defense.

As a matter of fact, that goes out to any Southerner who may find his or herself in the Middlebelt or in Jos. We are all one.

That being said, I read somewhere up there, a person question how Ndigbo were defeating the Northern army during the civil war. That person should remember this very well: when the colonial forces of the British Empire marched on the Northern kingdoms, it took them 1 year to colonize that vast land. When they marched on Alaigbo, it took them 30 bloody years.

Too close.

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EzeUche22:
You all cannot compete with our intellectual prowess. Shall we flex our intellectual muscle? Igbos v. Yorubas. Always a nice competition. We know both war and education. It is good to know both.

Sometimes the battle is won by turning a blind-eye to stupid remarks. Ignore him. This isn't about Igbo vs. Yoruba, it is about progressives versus the idiocy that is killing our nation -- namely, that "tribe versus tribe" ideology.

Yoruba:
hahahahhahaha . . .
The most clueless governor in Nigeria, Theodore Orji, delivering Abia state for PDP. Talk about a mission dead at inception.

Agreed.

Andre Uweh:
Nigerians do not vote for credible candidates. check out between Obasanjo and Ekwueme and later Obasanjo vs Olu Falae. Shagari vs Zik and Awo. Shagari was not more credible than the other two, yet he won. And so on.
Voting for a credible candidate is a MIRAGE.

Unless there were nationally televised/covered debates between the candidates. Voters would quickly be able to see the differences between each of them, and would be able to judge them based on that and their pasts. Also, if the candidates were allowed to cross-examine each other, they would be forced to abandon their scripted messages.

Do you want to know the other thing about never having debates? It means the populace never sees the inefficiencies of their "leaders" except for their scripted political talk, which means that nationwide grass-root movements rarely develop.

I can definitely agree with your post, but as much as I would like an Igboman to become president in the future, I would want that Igboman to be a good president. One not only all of Ndi Igbo can be proud of, but all of Nigeria. So in that regard, I would vote for any man or woman be they Efik, Ibibio, Hausa, Fulani, Tiv, or Yoruba, as long as I am convinced that it is his or her intention to move Nigeria forward collectively.

ow11:
This rubbish 1960s political tact is still being used in the 21st century? Vote me because I would make sure an Igbo man becomes president. How does he intend to do that?

Doesn't the electorate have a say in who becomes their leader? Is ANY Igbo man as president going to make our lives better? What about the four years preceding that? Are we still going to have power cuts and human right abuses?

These are questions that should be in the minds of educated people using this forum and NOT whether an Igbo or Ijaw man goes by the name President!

Thank you.

sjeezy8:
everyone is against an IBB presidency- except you guys THAT SHOULD SAY ALOT lol

So what you are saying to me is that I, who grew up loathing Babangida with every fiber of my being, will now turn around and vote for Babangida solely because I am Igbo?

yiboboy:
Cos y'all (ibos) bleeped in the head! Notice hw some of your kinsmen are quick to discredit the article instead of facing facts. Una just dey start!!!

Oh, we know what our problems are, fool, and we'll deal with them accordingly. That's being proactive. You on the other hand seem to be suffering from that hateration-disease. You should get that checked.

saintneo:
^^ excellent question

he is practising self-service, same thing he accused other Igbos of doing. I wonder who is sponsoring him.

He is practicing self-service by what, being a journalist? How does that make his point any less valid?

Ibime:
Utter ignorance on this thread from the likes of Eze Uche should be promptly corrected by elders such as RichyBlack, Ezeagu, Eziachi etc.

How can one claim that Opobo is a mix of Igbo and Annang/Ibibio? Since when do Opobo people eat Edikaikong?

It is these kind of uninformed folktales that cause all kind of trouble, for example erroneous claims that Bonny, Okrika and Opobo are Igbo clans who deny their heritage. Since when do Igbo clans divide themselves into war canoe houses?

All the unfounded allegations are as laughable as claims that Ikwerre lands extend to the Atlantic, when not a single Ikwerre man has been caught fishing there.

Lets be judicious in our research, not all this dem say dem say that only causes trouble between us.

Can you clarify this? It's too ambiguous.

Where is the consistency in declaring "United we stand, divided we fall" et. al. in some posts, and then turning around and posting a divisive message in the other?

EzeUche22:
Why should we? They are only playing politics.

Our Igbo identity must be fostered. I hear our language may go extinct. We need to get rid of all these lects like the Chinese did with their language and unite our people under one sovereign culture and language.

United we stand, divided we fall.

Agreed,

If the British didn't come to Alaigbo, there would have eventually been one Igbo clan who took over the region. Most likely from Nnewi or Arochukwu.

But let's not fool ourselves.

EzeUche22:
I hate the fact that this Ngwa boy has derailed my thread. We should be talking about the Igbo communities that are present in Edo, Delta, Benue, Rivers, and Cross Rivers State.

We keep you on your toes.

EzeUche22:
The state issue is not causing disunity among the Igbo. The only state being proposed is Anioma State to make it a majority Igbo state that is zoned to the south-east.

We are talking about Igbos in other states like Benue, Rivers, and Cross River

But, you know, that is pretty clever.

It is what is is. It doesn't concern me what the vicar does with his boyfriend. To be honest, I think we should spend less time judging what others do and more time doing what it takes to fix our problems.

Andre Uweh:
Get the records straight. Ngwaland do not share any boundary with Rivers state. South of Ngwaland is Ukwaland, and Ukwaland shares boundary with Rivers state.
@Onlytruth: Ngwaland is by far bigger than Nnewi and Ekwusigo.

If you search, you will see that we are sometimes referred to as Ngwa/Ukwa, or Ukwa-Ngwa.

Yeah, I agree with THE_AMAKA. Creating more states will only be an advantage politically if Ndigbo knew how to work together. We clearly do not, as evinced by this thread, so the best thing is to consolidate those that we have. I mean, do we really need more reasons to break apart?

LWKMD! It's funny how this works out -- Nigerians are more "Christian" and more "Muslim" than the descendants of those who fought, raped, and murdered their ancestors to covert them. It's too much for me o.

I think in this case EzeUche, you may be projecting your own prejudices.

If you will forgive me, I think those in contention should reread the entire thread and check whether their reactions fit the situation.

@chyz,
I don't know if we can learn all that here. The ability to do so depends on peoples ability to moderate their reactions.

Well, look at this. We didn't even need outsiders to tear us apart. Igbo kwenu.

I haven't heard enough of what I like to call "deep Igbo" (Igbo spoken by very old people without any English words) to understand all the words in these songs. I think if they were speaking rather than singing, it would be easier to figure it out of course LOL. The disadvantages of a living language that exists as a dialect continuum. :/

Also, @EzeUche22 @THE_AMAKA @ChinenyeN @OnlyTruth: there's no reason to fight amongst yourselves and no reason to respond to barking dogs. If you fall into a titfortat, the original spirit of the thread dies -- [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll[/url]

Kobojunkie:
All I see from media reports and the way most everyone seems to be talking of him today, both online and offline, is that this man is serious about becoming president and I am scared that no one else seems as serious as he is with this.

He's an aggressive narcissist who wants to cement his legacy. I imagine Ojukwu sees much of himself in Babanginda.

I think what you're referring to is an "Inferiority Complex" with the "Biblical" portion being just a symptom of the attempt to compensate.

Forgive me if I disagree with you. Mr Drommerl here openly declarede himself as a Shuwa Arab then proceeded to denigrate the entire African race in the face of their European "superiors." His goal was not to incite any meaningful discussion. Had it been, he would not have dodged questions. His goal was to troll and while at it, give himself a pat on the back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Katsumoto:
Guys, this has been an intelligent debate so far; there is no need for insults.

I think I'm depressed not because Nigeria owes $9.4 billion, but that for a country with this big of a population, Nigeria's total economy is too frail to support debt as little as $9.4 billion. Ask a politician and they will tell you that they aren't corrupt.

Funny. In the U.S., these full body scanners are causing the biggest uproar in the media just because of the privacy issues. There are debates. Out of Nigeria, not a whimper.

Just for the record, it is possible to duplicate thumb-prints or to temporarily replace them. Any real biometric detection system should utilize prints / optical / retinal scanning to make it harder to fool the systems.