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now i know better; some Nigerians can pretend oooo!

just go out there if u care and ask any oduduwa that can come from awo villiage; i mean real village u will be shocked to hear wat they say

they will simply tell u awo is just a corrupt and selfish b-astard; PERIOD

they will remind u how awo nearly grab all the village land in their town and thank god now he's gone that they ve got back their land

dnt let anybody fool u one bit!

we now know the truth; i dnt even wana talk about how he sold out the great Igbos; lets just stop here

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i was gona open up a thread on this; since we all now have actively undergone THE THERMOSTAT SESSION as we did i was thinking the next one should be this

how many people out there that has used engine flush

well as some of one yall already know this soldier right here still dwells on commonsense

1; this are the ideas running through my mind; if a flush could rid the engine of sludge etc wat makes one believe this is where is stops; there are chances it might as well watches of the engine seals and create bores

2; there is a chance the crumbs could damage the oil pumps etc and get the engine choked

well i decided to have a check on the so called expertise views it turns out to be of the same concern

some argue it best is dismantle and rebuild ur engine than using engine flush

however, either waayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy engine flush should not be everyday stuff; it should and i repeat should be the last solution to the engine; it should be treated like antibiotics

wat surprised me most is that the so called expert in nl recommend an engine flush in every oil refilling

the forum is still an open surface anyway and u might have other ideas

still the same solider

ikeyman

^^^ well fool listen up

as long as they tackle ur uncle who dump his stools in the gutter behind the scene im happy

get a life fool u and u and that foolish yeye garriman

^^^^ and ur point isnt conclusive either

^^^^ wat about the animals that flushes seawage into the gutter in the background

if u ask me those are the real animals

they are ur kin men oo me afraid oo

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and before that

i think fashola should put the structures in place as it should be in the first place

i wonder who flushes down the seawage in the gutter behind the scene


all hands must be on deck!

that market can never be closed!

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just looking

any surprise over what u readin


i dey laugh welle welle

listening to osadebe mgbakwu boys on utube hahha

oya hmmlaaaaaaaa hmm lalla

laalaaa

hahha

i swear it feels good hahha

kia very unfortunate haha

^^^^ rubbish!

keep masking the real truth! bitter indeed!

i dnt think u ready for it! therefore the reason u could only respond to mimiko blah blah

pele-man

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i ikeyman personally thinks this is better from him

instead wasting so much time to tell us who the devil will strike next or looking for private jet to buy while the masses in his congregation cant afford school fees and that or even creating headache for motorist plying lagos high way

worse of all shaking hand with looters and blood money ; hmm devil lives in the church

^^^^ pele we already knew who the slaves are

u could be son of one of them

which way to go from here

^^^ fishy

i knew it when u made ur first post and that is enuff reason not to take u seriously

and why would a common call for upgrade of international airport worries some of una so much which will drive in a lot of traffics,revenue for the country and the people

^^^ keep laughing ooo

truth4meal(m): 4:11pm

Igbos are purely the source of their own problem - if not for the disunity of purpose that is a fad in Igboland this O'lie-sir Metuh will not push aside the right of a region just because adhering to rotational presidency does not favour his boss. Calling aspiration and a region's right an act of disgruntled element is a new word for folly. GEJ's is using the turn of Igbo - he knows just like the igbo elders who only think according to the money paid. O'lie-sir can continue to lie to himself that rotational presidency is archaic but all right thinking Nigerians know that to uphold national unity power must rotate. GEJ is not Igbo ; Igbos should fight for their right to the throne. The politics of Jonah is our brother is only "politics" and not the truth. But seriously wetin concern me sef

how could oduduwas like u always talk about unity this and that! the only reason people like u will have the audacity to do so is duely ur una tribalism gene in ur body which seem to unite una all one by one; even na ole una no mind vote for am

but all in all when the real unity plays out like u see how jon was voted in; u see how the war is mobolised; u see how people could go all the way to lagos;china to hold a market down; u think say na by bad belle of oduduwa this could be translated ehh ?

this una oduduwa just like to talk rubbish and nonesense all the time; imagine a ghana must go man say to u emm yes its true this and that; see naija has 140 million people; usuing population as excuses all the time

the same unity una use finis abiola; ige and all the rest in the country

this una gene that like to talk about wat never happened

so far people from osun village;ibadon forest spend all their time talking about fashola; wonder when they will talk about their local politics self

still wonder the reason acn failed; blame mimiko for that disunity

^^^ rubbish!

^^^^ thats just not good enuff in all ratification

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Will these people just STFU.Wat gud has yoruba presidency done 4 d yorubas and d yrs of north ruling d country done to d northern populace who lives below poverty level,does in power cares abt demselves only and not deir tribe or nigeria in general,dey enrich demselves at d expense of nigerians but due 2 religious and ethnic sentiment we failed 2 hold dem responsible.
We need 2 chose our leaders without considering religion or ethnicity but capability and past track record of d person,if not we will keep on havin selfish leaders

hahha

cheecky stuff!!

well if u looking for remedy for the country u claim to love chose an Igbo to see the igbo spirit doing it for yall

always remember that at the back of ur mind even if u chooses not to disclose in the public pele oo


there is no point dilly dally all over the place when a common call to upgrade enugu to international standard is causing earthquake within u and hausa people

till u and ur northern killers of the country are stopped on ur track there wouldnt be much excepted anyway

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odua

anyho, yoruba is still the father of politics

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major looter and killer in this country. while igbo politics revolve around a daily planning and scheming about secession or why others should seccede, yoruba prefer to continously assess political situation and bring it under our harness.

we the people already knew it! but dnt bother reminding us wat we knew biko

^^^ anyway this is a big difference from what u get from oba of lagos pele oo!

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toyota recalled their match box

now BMW calling back their match box

serious thing!

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i think the infrastructure should be in place before going into closing the market

lagos state government could be a joke sometimes ooo



and by the way oga garri take am easy with the bitterness!

u go wound ooo!

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ikenna

how hard i push my car on highway, i wouldnt want to end up with a car that its wheel ball joint will give up on high speed while jumping potholes on our highways.

well the only reason u get to see cv wahala a lot in naija is i put it down to bad used parts and knowning the sensitivity of these area an average driver doesnt care when the rubber boots breaks which get contaminated with debris and rust

this is what u get then!

and mind u as for ur everyday drive thing mind u honda halla still kick around in the country; i still remember seeing one in lokoja high way flying like a saucer in 2011

ikenna

Not just Benz. Everyother brand has lost it. Every one of them was after reduction of cost of production against the qualities known for. Some left the drive configuration (RWD) they are known for, like Peugeot and Volvo, and switched to FWD that cost less to design and produce. Ask most of the old Peugeot fans why they left that brand, they will tell you because they switched from RWD to FWD full time, after 505 production stopped.

But then, they acted according to the market demands: more toys. Market/people prefers cars with gadgets/toys allover than reliability and durability. So they gave us what we wanted and everyone was happy, and they kept it going. Meaning, more toys, more plastics. And more toys would require complex electrics to function, hence, electric nightmares in newer cars.

So, i dont really blame the car manufacturers. Its what the market wanted that they are producing for us. Check out the car journalist articles or reviews on new cars. They compare newly lauched cars with another with the one that has more or better toys than the other. Any car with better or more toys wins the best car. So what do you expect the manufacturers to do, since people choose cars to buy from such reviews.

Very few brands are trying to maintain some of the few qualities they were known for, back in the '70s & '80s in the midst of the plastic competition.

Ikenna.
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by yungboss(m): 9:02pm On Feb 17
i do not abhor other brands, i recognize them for the love of motoring. but i do not see myself driving a Toyota or a Honda in the near future.

I love the Nissan GT-R, R38...there was once Toyota Supra,i do not mind the Subaru Imprezza WRX...the Lexus and the Infiniti G37. Now these are good cars.
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by yungboss(m): 9:04pm On Feb 17
Ikenna351:

Not just Benz. Everyother brand has lost it. Every one of them were after reduction of cost of production against the qualities known for. Some left the drive configuration (RWD) they are known for, like Peugeot and Volvo, and switched to FWD that cost less to design and produce. Ask most of the old Peugeot fans why they left that brand, they will tell you because they switched from RWD to FWD full time, after 505 production stopped.

But then, they acted according to the market demands: more toys. Market/people prefers cars with gadgets/toys allover than reliability and durability. So gave us what we wanted and everyone was happy, so they kept it going. Meaning, more toys, more plastics. And more toys would require complex electrics to function, hence, electric nightmares in newer cars.

So, i dont really blame the car manufacturers. Its what the market wanted that they are producing for us. Check out the car journalist articles or reviews on new cars. They compare newly lauched cars with another with the one that has more or better toys than the car. Anyone with better or more toys wins the best car. So what do you expect the manufacturers to do, since people buy choose cars to buy from such reviews.

Very few brands are trying to maintain some of the few qualities they were known for, back in the '70s & '80s in the midst of the plastic competition.

Ikenna.
BMW is an example...
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by platinumricky(m): 9:07pm On Feb 17
Gods-Son:
This Post came in timely because i have been contemplating getting between a baby boy1999/2000 model and a mercedes C Class 1998-2000 model but from the reviews i've read so far its quite clear i should get a Mercedes C class because it even has a better fuel economy, stronger and is more durable than the Baby Boy my only problem with the ride is the shape its like a match box but thats no problem i'd sure go for it and i pray God's blessings to Enjoy it Amen!! or do u guys think other wise? ya comments will be helpful thanks

My main beef with the C-class (W202) U̶̲̥̅̊ have in mind is the front impact rating (it got 2 over 5!), i saw one which had a head on collision with a W124 (v boot) and the damage was excessive (the impact almost reached the c-pillar of the c class while the damage to the V didn't go beyond the A-pillar), after seeing the wreckage of the C class, i did a lil research and saw it's crash score. Besides, the parts are a lil expensive (a friend of mine used to hv one). U̶̲̥̅̊ Я better off with the accord, just make sure U̶̲̥̅̊ get one with a manual gearbox.
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by elviszzz: 9:09pm On Feb 17
I still see a 1982 mercedes benz all ova d place but can't find a japanese of dat same year on d streets? What happened to dem? Comparing german cars wit japanese is like comparing a 5 star hotel wit a chalet.
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by Ikenna351(m): 9:17pm On Feb 17
yungboss:
BMW is an example...

Yes, like BMW & Benz, you can say that, including some other Euro cars. They value their loyal fans, by not giving up on some good qualities the fans enjoy in their products (which other brands lack), thereby retaining them.

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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by yungboss(m): 9:17pm On Feb 17
platinumricky:
My main beef with the C-class (W202) U̶̲̥̅̊ have in mind is the front impact rating (it got 2 over 5!), i saw one which had a head on collision with a W124 (v boot) and the damage was excessive (its impact almost reached the c-pillar of the c class while the damage to the V didn't go beyond the A-pillar), after seeing the wreckage of the C class, i did a lil research and saw it's crash score. Besides, the parts are a lil expensive (a friend of mine used to hv one). U̶̲̥̅̊ Я better off with the accord, just make sure U̶̲̥̅̊ get one with a manual gearbox.
are you serious, up to the c pillar, as compared to the A of the 124? I dont think it could be that bad for the w202 ricky!
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by platinumricky(m): 9:23pm On Feb 17
yungboss:
are you serious, up to the c pillar, as compared to the A of the 124? I dont think it could be that bad for the w202 ricky!
i saw it, dat's why i did the subsequent research. My initial assumption was dat a tractor head rammed the c class.
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by chucky234(m): 10:12pm On Feb 17
Frankie9ice:

My advise,...go for a C-Class 230 (2000 or 2001). A 230 is usually a Kompressor (a C180,C220 aint),...a Honda Baby boy is child's play beside a C230 in every sense.
I'll just assumed you were under the influence of Sapele water when you said that.
If you say 2002 C-class then I can buy your idea but 98 - 2002 Honda Accord beats 98 - 2001 C-class hands down,whether na kompressor or not.
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by chucky234(m): 10:15pm On Feb 17
elviszzz: I still see a 1982 mercedes benz all ova d place but can't find a japanese of dat same year on d streets? What happened to dem? Comparing german cars wit japanese is like comparing a 5 star hotel wit a chalet.
Guy but some big boys still dey drive their Honda halla with pride na,abi Halla na 2013 model again,
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Re: Euro/American Vs Asian Cars (Reliability, Durability & Performance) by Ikenna351(m): 11:17pm On Feb 17
Now my own turn.

From what I have gathered here, I think reliability, durability & performance of Euro/American vs Asian cars depends on the car owner or the driver.

RELIABILITY:
A Euro car owner may see his car as a reliable one, while a japs or Asian car owner sees it as a nightmare that must be avoided at all cost. A Euro car owner, who may have to order a part from outside to replace a failed component, may not see it as an issue or termed it unreliable, even if it takes it days or weeks to put the car back on the road and continue the fun where it stopped, as long as he is certain that it will take him years or decades to replace that part again. But he may see a Jap car that visits clown workshop every now and then, for a particular part to be changed over and over again, for failing every week, a month or every quarter, as unreliable. The same way, a Japs owner would find it an omen to have a car that stays in a garage a week or more before it get fixed; would prefer a car that he/she would have to spend a penny to replace a particular constant failing part, even if he/she has to be resuming work at clowns/mechanics workshop every day to replace one failed part or the other before ending up at office. So to him or her, as long as he/she is always behind the wheels and the car is always moving, whether from home to mechanic every day or weekend, he regards it "A reliable car".

For someone like me, I would find a car I don't get to be opening the bonnet to do something once in a while, as a boring one. I cant live with such a car. Even when nothing is wrong, I would always want to check to see if I must find something that needed attention. I just love working on my car. So, any car that refuses to give me a reason to open the hood will definitely seize to me mine soon. Its not for me.

PERFORMANCE:
There was this 2006 Toyota Corolla, Sports model "S" (American spec) of a cousin I used to drive then in Abuja. A nice car. Average quickness for its engine and body size. It was supposed to be a sports version of the Corolla of that model year. Unfortunately, the car lacks 4 wheel disc brake. The rear brake is drum. Who in his right senses would install a drum brake in a car and call it sports version? How would I push such a car hard as I do with mine since it lacked a matching brake? Why cant they just get something right? So I never bothered to push it hard on Abuja expressways, since I wont like to miss my next birthday.

There was this Lexus of a colleague of mine (not sure of the model year, but late '90s or early '00, I think). A V6 one. Whenever I was the one driving, the car would feel heavy, meaning good for highway. Good steering wheel feedback. But then, the most boring car I have ever driven! Am not joking. Couldn't tell if it was because it was auto tranny or just because the car lacked soul. To a point, I was like "no thank you". I preferred sitting as a passenger than driving some tortoise. A durable car though, since the odometer was more than 300k miles, still on the original engine.

Toyota Camry 2003 I4 (Big for Nothing). I have driven the car twice. Not too quick, but ok. Very roomy. Enough leg room space. Unfortunately, the most uninspiring dashboard I have ever seen.

Have driven a lot of Nissan cars. The most quickest Japs I have ever driven. Even their smaller cars are quick too. But when it comes to putting stunts on their wheels, they start misbehaving. Typical japs! But I believe Skyline would be the best of them. I respect Nissan for producing that Beast.

Benz W124 (V-boot). Mehnn! Am not a Benz fan, but the very first day I drove that car, I was so impressed, even though it was an I4 (facelifted), very sluggish in movement though (thanks to auto transmission). But the car was awesome. The stability of the car on high speed was something else. The steering feel? Ahhh! Love the smoothness as it steered the wheel. Even though it was an old school; even though it wasn't a quick car, but I enjoyed every bit of moment I was behind that wheel. Well engineered car!

Its obvious that a V6 Benz, Audi, Peugeot or BMW its never the same with a V6 Toyota, Honda or Nissan of the same model year cars. A japs I4 & V6 usually have the same simple electrics and mechanicals, except the engines of course. But for the 4 mentioned Euro cars, their V6s or V8s have different more complex electrics and mechanicals with their I4 counterparts: Different suspensions (electronically controlled, etc), different Power assisted steering, advanced complex electronics to enhance the performance, etc.



DURABILITY:
Every car can last as long as the owner wants it. Japs car can last for 40 years and above, with the original engine. Likewise the Euro or American ride. It all depends on how good the owner is with maintenance, style of driving and abuse.

Though, an Asian car cannot be driven or pushed as hard as most Euro cars, if the owner wants it to last that long. Make that mistake and her days will be numbered. They are deigned to be softly handled or driven

It appears most Nigerians do not know when there vehicles are faulty or not. You hear everyday "this brand is reliable, this brand drives forever". But then I come out everyday, see people's cars puffing out all kinds of colors of smoke from their exhaust. As long as its moving and its not stalling or jerking, the car is fine.




So, there you have mine.

Ikenna

right
i have not driven those car u quoted on ur post so i m not in the position to speak against of course! But then i sure there are lots of euro models that doesnt add up anyway!

but one thing i know for sure is honda Accord steering touches and handing is still far much better than most of ur so called euro cars models

still on it, with all that u mention on ur post one still try so hard to figure out the reason Japan alone sale more cars worldwide relatively to ur combine countries european french;germany and all that

ur so called German machine is not that far elitist from Japanese ones as the japs has long moved into premium state so the reason they still manage to push the euro cars to the egde!

so there u go!

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where are the roads

^^^^^^^^^ rubbish!

u can only offer solution when u accept there is a wahala naw

with all the bombin going off in the north; just listen when their so called elite speak sometimes

so my friend i think u really need ur head checked

FACT

euro cars get more expensive to maintain when it start to age!

esply 3 lions!

citron nko hm

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im in!

^^^^^ back to sender!

but by the way emm

next time i m in naija tell me ur location so we could see who bi the oldest ....

we have responded!

fool!

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it is becoming so only because the so called special ones in the north that goes to knock their head to and fro in the mosque up in the north simply refuse to do the right thing for good of all couple with their oduduwa associate foolishness

thats it!

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well it obvious now for some to see the light that the heavy taxation does not reflect on the quality of roads Fashola government is building

Lagosian stand up now!

to the igbos out there ask una gov wetin bi these useless roads in lagos

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Most Reliable Cars: Honda, Toyota Top Consumer Reports Rankings[/size]

DETROIT — The most problem-free cars and trucks are made by Honda and Toyota, but U.S. automakers Ford and General Motors are closing the gap in quality, according to an annual survey by Consumer Reports magazine.

Ford and GM continue to narrow the disparity that once separated Asia-based automakers from their Detroit rivals. Large overhauls of American car companies in the last few years have resulted in fewer brands and better vehicles from Detroit.

For the third year in a row, Toyota's Scion had the fewest problems of any brand in the survey. It was followed by Porsche, Acura, Honda, and Nissan's Infiniti luxury brand. The Toyota brand ranked sixth, down from third last year. It was followed by Subaru and Volvo. Lexus, which had been a top finisher in past years, fell to ninth. Ford was 10th, but rose from 16th the previous year.

Consumer Reports rankings, released Tuesday, are widely used by buyers shopping for cars and trucks. The magazine ranks No. 3 on the list of information sources used by Americans to pick vehicles, topped only by brand loyalty and recommendations from friends and family.

Scion, Toyota's youth brand, was tops because it sells just three models, the xD hatchback, xB wagon and tC coupe. Those models haven't been revamped recently. As a result, they have fewer reliability problems, said David Champion, senior director of auto testing for Consumer Reports.

Toyota generally fared well in the survey despite recalling more than 10 million vehicles worldwide for safety problems including sticky gas pedals, floor mats that can trap accelerators and brake fluid leaks.

"Toyota's taken a slight knock from the issues with their recalls," Champion said.

He said the magazine's survey asks owners to ignore recalls unless they have experienced a problem, easing the impact. Toyota's luxury brand, Lexus, has expanded its model lineup and the quality has slipped, he said.

The survey of about 960,000 of the magazine's subscribers also restored recommended ratings for eight recalled Toyota brand models.


Toyota in January recalled 2.3 million vehicles in the U.S. due to sticky gas pedals, including the 2009-10 RAV4 crossover, 2009-10 Corolla, the 2009-10 Matrix hatchback, the 2005-10 Avalon, the 2007-10 Camry, the 2010 Highlander crossover, the 2007-10 Tundra pickup and the 2008-10 Sequoia SUV models.

It stopped selling the models until the vehicles on dealer lots were fixed. When sales were halted, Consumer Reports yanked the recommended ratings.

Champion said Honda is the top manufacturer for reliability, with the Honda and Acura brands consistently at the top of the survey due to a continued emphasis on quality.

Champion said the Dearborn, Mich.-based Ford has several individual models that have better quality than Toyotas. Ford's quality resurgence was led by the Fusion midsize sedan, which outranked Honda's Accord and Toyota's Camry, two of the most reliable cars on the road. Ford's improvements began five years ago and have continued, Champion said.

General Motors showed the most improvement. GM had 69 models with average or better reliability, up from only 21 last year. GM's top-ranked brand was Chevrolet at 17, up from 25 last year.

GM shed some poor-quality models when it got rid of Saturn, Hummer and Pontiac, Champion said, and its new models like the Chevrolet Equinox crossover and Buick LaCrosse sedan are performing well.

The Chrysler brand was ranked last of 27 brands shown in the survey, the magazine said, while Jeep ranked 20th and Dodge was 24th. No Chrysler vehicles scored above average in reliability.

Champion said the company under its previous owners cut costs, and it's showing in the quality rankings. The company's in the process of updating its entire model lineup. New models like the Jeep Grand Cherokee are showing promise.

The most reliable vehicle in the survey was the Porsche Boxster sports car, while the least reliable was the Jaguar XF luxury car.

Complete rankings and recommendations will be revealed in the magazine's December issue.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/26/most-reliable-cars-honda-_n_774293.html

to me some audi and 3 lion look cose to match box

u can never write honda accord off ! never; watch GM cars doing the catching up

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On issues like this, I want to thread softly not to be seen to judge nor condemn an anointed. For no one will pass judgement on the anointed and will be guiltless before God. Having said that however, my admonition goes to the men of God. Most of them started well and God lifted them. But what we now see is the danger of fullness. The deceitfulness of riches is derailing most of them. How many jets did they use at the beginning of their Ministry. Yet they saw the raw hands of God and their churches exploded with people who yearned for the truth. If a Pastor could even afford a jet in this impoverished economy, shouldn't the love for the people be enough restraint. Would Jesus do this if he were to be in Nigeria today? Among the hungered, a person drinking common Garri may be lynched for being sumptuous. This is what these men of God should think about. Also, I want to submit that only a very negligible percentage of wealthy men in this present Nigeria will be able to righteously acquire a jet, without a shady underground. Aside the acquisition cost of about N10b, the parking at the port is about N20,000.00 per day, Pilot's salary, maintenance is done daily, not like a car you service 3 monthly, landing tax in foreign countries is exorbitant even for commercial aircraft etc. All these associated cost of maintenance is over a million Naira monthly. So would an hungry man among the congregation not be tempted to pass judgement on the man of God? Paul the Apostle said if my eating meat will make my fellow brother to stumble, I will rather not eat meat. The men of God are making us to stumble by forcing the hungry populace to pass unhealthy comments. I will not. But let everything be done decently and in order.

rubbish!!