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drisham:
But you recently spent on Nico g and reindeers there's still rodri

So one of them would definitely have to be on the bench

There are plenty of games to go round.

CrystalTiger:
Bruno Fernandez in the current market isn't worth more than £30m? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lord have mercy 🤣🤣🤣🤣

He’s 31.

Only a Saudi club will pay a ridiculous amount for Bruno.

raumdeuter:
I dont watch a lot of Forest matches but 130m for a DM is high

Only polished, finished product attackers (AM wingers and strikers) who would be in Balon dor conversions should be going for that

£107m Enzo Fernandes
£115m Moises Caicedo
£105m Declan Rice.

Which of these players is AM, RW/LW or ST?

This is the market rate for elite midfielders.

raumdeuter:
Is he better than Rodri

130m better be getting you a match winner

If Anderson is 130m how much will Bruno go for

Bruno is 31. He has 12-18 months left at elite level. Bruno cannot be more than £30m

Anderson is 22. There’s a solid 10 years left in his belly to compete at elite level.

nateevs:
He's worth more than £130m? How are we reaching these valuations?

Rice was £105m last 3 years, right?

Anderson completely murks Declan Rice that Arsenal coughed £105m to sign 3 years ago.

If you add inflation and Elliot’s high ceiling, how much do you think he’s worth in 2026?

raumdeuter:
Man city sign Elliot Anderson for 130m Pounds

Illimitable is he worth that amount

He’s more than worth the amount. We have seen him outplay £105m Declan Rice at the World Cup. He’s young, versatile with an incredible high ceiling.

Jason Wilcox & Omar Berrada not even bidding for him is a sham after telling everyone he’s United’s main priority for 9 months.

United won’t win anything for another 5 years.

raumdeuter:
The point stated is why FG police is ineffective an why STate police will be a better option. I am asking you if you trust Igboho and that he cannot be bought okay (even though we have seen all the Gani Adams become money grabbers) but what of the thousand of people Igboho will employ that do not share his DNA nor conviction

The state police will only have people local to the state. Or do you think Oyo state police will be hiring from Yobe or Yobe indigenes? I don't think so

State police will just be an official and legalized Amotekun etc which has some gains. Local people actually trust Amotekun more than the NPF

The State Police will have the same corrupt Police Officers already residing in the States. It’s like reshuffling deck chairs on the Titanic - it’s not going to stop the ship from sinking.

Deep-rooted corruption, extortion, collusion with criminals, poor accountability, and a culture that often prioritizes personal gain over public service are well-documented problems that will never go away because of State Police.

I agree with your point that people actually trust Amotekun.

Amotekun has terrain knowledge, community integration, language/cultural familiarity, and intrinsic motivation tied to protecting their own homes. It’s a more valid strengths than State Police.

A Private Security Network like TANTITA have shown tactical successes in intelligence gathering, rapid response, and curbing rural crimes where formal police are absent or distrusted. 

Performance-based contracts with harsh penalties would definitively align incentives. Residency in the protected area also adds skin in the game. NPF have failed Nigerians - I don’t trust them at all(State or Federal).

raumdeuter:
There is no organization that is immune from corruption, Even US armies sellout. Even if Igboho is too holy to be corrupted, what of the thousands under him, what will stop them from selling ammunitions to criminals like the NPF you reported
If the concern is that some officers collect ransom-related kickbacks, why would Nigerians assume Igboho security networks would be immune to the same incentives? Corruption is not solved merely by changing who carries the gun. Its just decentralized

A state force will also have a local unit. E.g Amotekun in Ibadan have branches in Ogbomoso which report upwards to the state HQ, State police in Epe, Ikorodu report upwards to Ikeja HQ

Tompolo operates in a highly specific environment. Waterways an oil infrastructure are fixed assets with relatively defined geographic boundaries. Forests and rural territories are fundamentally different. Kidnappers, bandits, and insurgents can relocate, blend into civilian populations, cross state boundaries, and adapt their tactics.

In most cases for Igboho unless you find people armed, you cannot know their intention unless you want to chase away every Fulani in SW, even at that, there is no physical feature that identifies a Fulani from a Yoruba man. This normal looking man at 3pm can turn into a bandit by 6pm

Finally while giving individuals seems like a goo idea for now, then we are turning them into strongmen that might end up being bigger than the state

At this point I think we should explore every option, National, State, Private and individuals being armed as well. If over time we are able to curb the insecurity then we relegate the Igboho styled security (That is if they willl go quietly)

Igboho has a stake in the eternal peace of his region. He’s been doing it without payment for years. A Fulani Police Officer residing in Fiditi(Oyo State) has no stake for peace to reign in Oyo State . His only motivation for doing the job is his salary. He will think twice before firing at his own people that are kidnappers.

Igboho has promised to personally murder any Yoruba man involved in kidnapping in his region. His motivation isn’t money. This is why the idea of State Police is farcical. A lot of Nigerians think State Police would only have officers of Yoruba ethnicity in Yoruba state and Igbo officers in Igbo state.

It is not going to work that way.

raumdeuter:
The NPF is inadequate under the FG that is why every state should build their own security plan and how to secure themselves. It doesnt make sense that a Taraba man is in charge of security in Oyo where he doesnt know them nor understand them

Security is local, every community will know their land better and the strangers fomenting trouble

How many times have we heard an incident in Enugu/Benue/Jos ongoing while the governor and local officials are calling the area commander or IG in Abuja to place orders for reinforcement and ignored for hours

Now you dont have to call Abuja the reinforcement you need is in your reach. In your own state

You did not address the corruption part.

State forces alone are insufficient for the terrain and threat volume, local knowledge matters, and tying money to results is better than open-ended spending.

Tompolo-style pragmatism has delivered massive gains in one context. Scaling a results-based private security approach region-by-region for human security is a better proposition to people tired of ineffective bureaucracy and rising body counts.

When citizens believe(with evidence) that police at checkpoints are collecting percentages from ransom money (in one reported case, ~5% across multiple points, with kidnappers accepting the shortfall because they “understood”), it destroys any remaining trust in state actors.

That particular anecdote is not isolated. Decades of reporting from victims, human rights organizations, local media, and even official inquiries have documented patterns of police and security force involvement in kidnapping rackets, checkpoint extortion, collusion with bandits, and ransom facilitation across Nigeria.

Your State Police & the kidnappers/bandits operate beneficially in the same criminal ecosystem. State Police and Military simply cannot effectively cover Nigeria’s vast rainforests in the South or savannah/forest mosaics in the North. Local knowledge gives an edge that centralized forces lack.

Results should trump ideology or rigid bureaucracy.

raumdeuter:
If your fear is elections, why cant thy use Sunday Igboho network for election mayhem in your proposal? Igboho is not new to this, he actually came into prominence by being a political thug for Ladoja

Placing the security of an entire state or subregion in the hand of one man has the potential to go very wrong

How many times have you seen State Governors bribing Tompolo to cause election mayhem?

N4 billion/month puts him above the pay grade of any state governor.

Placing the security of the subregion in the hand of NPF has been wrong for 6 decades. The Police can’t protect you in any part of Nigeria. There’s a capacity gap - they are not even enough to police the vast area of forests in each state.

NPF is also very corrupt. They are in cahoots with several kidnapping groups. They rent their guns, uniform, etc to the kidnappers. Creating State Police will not remove the relationship between Police officers and bandits, you are only localizing the corruption.

raumdeuter:
State police is now here. Let governors get to work. No more excuses

State Police won’t work. It will only enable the State Governors to unleash mayhem on their political rivals during election cycles. The Governors will become the employer of State Police(salaries, appointments, etc). It will get dangerous.

What SW Governors should do is give Sunday Igboho a security contract(year on year) based on performance metric. The security network will cover all the SW states and protect the forests.

Tompolo has a similar contract in the creeks of the SS region covering all the oil pipelines from Rivers State to Ondo State. The FG sends N48 billion cheque to Tompolo annually and he’s been able to reduce oil theft and bunkering by 90%.

If FG can protect oil pipelines, SW governors should also be able to protect precious lives in the SW. TANTITA(Tompolo’s security network) has some of the best security gadgets in the entire West Africa(gunships, choppers, speed boats with full artillery).

drisham:
Neymar scored 43 sha
Mbappe scored 39

Campeonato & Ligue 1 aren’t elite leagues.

R9 did it in La Liga.

Kikelomogbenga:
The country you are born in also plays a major role in whether top clubs even notice you and whether you get access to elite leagues. If Ronaldo had been born in Panama instead of Brazil and still became a footballer, chances are he would have spent years grinding through lower divisions before getting a shot at the top if he made it there at all.


You were the one acting as if being Brazilian had no impact on his club career, when in reality Brazils footballing reputation and scouting network gave him opportunities that players from less prominent football nations rarely get.


Haaland was born in England

What about

-George Weah
-Pavel Nedved
-Hristo Stoichkov
-Andriy Schevchenko

All these players(Ballon d’Or winners) were born in the trenches of obscure countries but because of club football, they are all global icons today.

Being born in a big football country definitely helps but it doesn’t close the door completely for players born in small football countries to feature for top club sides.

Jamiuokolaa:
When Sir Alex rated the CL over the Worldcup, people came out in droves to attack his opinion as been absurd.

He wasnt wrong TBH

CL football is infinitely better quality wise.

The WC holds more prestige(Old Glory) because we only see it once in 4 years.

Kikelomogbenga:
How many players like George Weah have come out of Libya since then?

The probability of Ronaldo becoming a fisherman rather than a footballer if he had been born in Panama is 100 to 1.

You are missing the point.

Football talent is distributed across the planet, but opportunity is not. Whether a player gets a realistic chance to win a World Cup depends critically on:

- Where their mother gave birth.
- The strength, infrastructure, coaching, and resources of the country’s football federation.
- The Squad Depth.

Club football gives football talents more mobility. Even if a player is born in the trenches of Ajegunle, club scouts would find him and get him a transfer to play in big clubs that can win things. International football does not allow such an elbow room. Club football offers a clearer merit-based escape hatch.

If you were born in India, you will not smell a World Cup tournament even if you score 1000 goals every season in your club. Look at Erling Haaland for instance. It’s his first international football tournament at 25. If he was born in France or Argentina, he would have won a WC or Copa America or Euros by age 19 at the very least.

Kikelomogbenga:
If Ronaldo was from Panama he would be a fisherman.

So how did George Weah win Ballon d’Or in 1995? He was born in the trenches of Monrovia.

If we follow your logic to conclusion, Weah should have been an Okada rider.

Amovingman:
What about George weah

Another brilliant example. He didn’t need a strong national team to prove himself at club level.

If Weah was born in France, he would have a WC or two.

Sportsweb:
You are full of shit... So if R9 was Born in Panama, he would win the world cup too right

He won’t win a World Cup but he would still score 47 goals in 49 apps for Barcelona at the age of 20. His Brazilian nationality played no role in achieving that feat.

R9 didn’t even win the league in 96/97 neither did he win the CL - but the entire planet still awarded him with Ballon d’Or(the youngest ever winner).

He won it based on his skill in club football unlike your Mbappe who needed to be born in Paris to win the WC.

Do you see the difference?

Leyqute:
E shock me.

R9 Nazarrio wey be hero for the hero of current football heroes.

A whole R9? Person wey invent snake bite

R9 dribbled a goalkeeper 88 times before scoring a goal. It’s like 1/4 of his career goals.

He didn’t just score goals, he humiliated his opponents.

Kylian who?

Godx:
The same era in which unknown players were regularly putting up 31, 29 and 27 goals, yet we are supposed to believe Mbappe would tear his ACL to reach similar numbers. Some arguments simply aren't worth wasting your time on.

Which of these players was 20 years of age?

At 20, CR7 scored 9 goals in 50 apps
At 20, LM10 scored 16 goals in 40 apps

Your best players in this era couldn’t clean R9’s boots at 20.

Potvalor:
lol, I guess you don't even know your football well enough. R9 played most of his career in the normal 32-team UCL format. End of argument abeg😂.

We are discussing 96/97.

Don’t jump into 1999.

He scored 49 goals in 96/97 and won Ballon d’Or.

Ronaldo was born in 1976. He was 20 in 96, he wasn’t 20 in 1999.

Try again.

Godx:
So a nobody like Antonio Pizzi playing for Tenerife scored 31league goals just one year prior to Ronaldo scoring 34 yet somehow Mbappe would tear Acl to score similar numbers in that Era. It's all good bro.

How many 20 year-old players do you know today that scored 47 goals in one season.

Mention their names. You can go as far back as year 2000.

Potvalor:
R9 never won a UCL, and he still gets mentioned in the GOAT debate. CR7 only had 1 UCL and 1 Balon d'Or until he was 28yo. There is enough time for a 27yo Mbappe to do more and extend his legacy for sure. But even as of today, he has done enough to sit among the legends of the 1990s and 2000s era.

Only league champions qualified for UCL in that era.

If that same rule applies now, Arsenal will be playing CL for the first time in 22 years(next season).

30 years later, kids would go on the internet and type “Bukayo Saka is an awful player, he only has 3 goals in the CL.”

Godx:
Can you tell me the name of the previous Pichichi winner before this Ronaldo season, the amount of goals he scored and the club he played for?

Antonio Pizzi of Tenerife. He was 27.

Ronaldo was 20.

TWENTY!!!!!

Potvalor:
You can't use stats favorably to win a R9 vs Mbappe argument cos Mbappe has had numerous 30+ goals season and multiple 40+ goals seasons too. Stat-wise, Mbappe beats R9 for sure and he is still 27 years, with maybe at least 5-6 more top-level seasons to come. You can use maybe "eye test", "aura", "football being easier now" points, but going with stats (and achievements), the earlier argument of Mbappe >> R9, Henry, Ronaldinho is valid. Like you can project Mbappe to end his career with almost 30 World Cup goals if he plays 2 more tournaments, and such predictions would seem realistic.

Mbappe doesn’t beat R9 in anything.

Mbappe hasn’t even won the CL in this era and he’s already 27. Mbappe benefits from a nationality lottery of being born in France.

If he was born in Yaoundé, I doubt he would have played in any WC, let alone win one. The only reason you people rate Mbappe is because of his nationality - which is just a lottery.

Where a pregnant woman decides to have a baby boy should not determine greatness. I don’t really rate all these national team competitions. It’s a farce. The World Cup is almost 100 years of age and ONLY 8 countries have won it.

Long story short, you have to be born in a footballing powerhouse country to be able to win the World Cup. If Pele(as talented as he is) was born in India, he would never have gone to a World Cup, never mind winning one.

Godx:
Baba he didn't win a league title until he was 26. He only won two league titles and around five major club trophies throughout his entire career. Without his World Cup title and the performances that came with it his standing in football history would below that of Ronaldinho, Zidane and others. The foundation of his GOAT level reputation is overwhelmingly built on what he achieved and how he performed on the World Cup stage. How exactly is this controversial or even debatable.

Nobody gave any attention to winning trophies over individual performance in the 90s.

R9 was phenomenal.

This was R9 casually dropping prime CR7/LM10 numbers at the age of 20 in La Liga.

47 goals, 13 assists in 49 apps.

Mbappe would tear both ACLs to achieve this.

raumdeuter:
Longevity

Mbappe already played 2 world cup finals same with R9 and can potentially play 2 more

While R9 was way more talented, his body broke earlier in life

Longevity is where Messi and CR7 beats many of these older players. Messi is 39 CR7 is 41. At those ages most of the older generations superstars have long forgotten football and looked like Mr Ibu

Ronaldinho was elite for less than 5 seasons

Longevity is not beans. It’s the most important factor in this GOAT debate.

Is it easy to be at the top for 20 years? These guys must have sacrificed everything(family, fun, alcohol, pastries, soda, etc) to be in tip-top shape so they can continue to deliver on the pitch.

Look at Rooney’s shape. He’s 9 months younger than Cristiano.

swiz123:
Undisputed king of nostalgia.

There’s no metric when observed objectively doesn’t place Mbappe ahead of R9.. Mbappe is the player R9 failed to become.

WTF?

Mbappe has nothing on R9.

R9 - 94 WC final(bench)
R9 - 98 WC final(poisoned by French chef)
R9 - 02 WC final(won + golden boot)

nateevs:
Walahi. Stats don spoil football. You couldn't have watched Ronaldinho or R9 live and not have been overwhelmed by extreme awe .....at the sheer talent and ability these guys possessed.

This is true.

However, being the best player in the world at some point is the easiest part. Staying on top for close to 20 years is the hardest part. Had R10 & R9 stayed on top for 10 years or more, their names would be in the GOAT debates more often.

Ronaldinho only scored 33 goals for Brazil.
Ronaldo De Lima scored 62 goals for Brazil.

Cristiano has scored 145 goals for Portugal.
In other words, if you add up the 2Rs career for their national teams, they have scored way less than Cristiano.

Kids look at Wikipedia and instantly adopt CR7 as their GOAT. There’s no ample time to be checking for old clips on YouTube.

patrickmuf:
Martinez should do whatever it takes to stay fit throughout next season. His composure on the ball is as good as anything I have seen from a defender....

United couldn’t have won that game at the Emirates without him.

His line breaking passes from the deep is incredible. Dude can pass a Nike ball through the eye of a needle. He just needs to take care of himself to avoid niggling injuries that is threatening the longevity of his career.

He’s an amazing player.

Spy360:
How much has Man United and Chelsea spent? Why haven't they won the league?

It's been 13 years, 17 more years to go. So be patient and remember to stay alive 😂

Notice how you moved the goalpost.

I said Pep(one manager) spent €2 billion. You quickly changed your own question to how much clubs have spent on different projects via different managers.

You are a dishonest person.

maik99:
stats dont tell the whole story
he is a good player,definitely not 100m+ good
with the amount of reinforcements we need in midfield it will be unwise to spend that amount on one player

Leyqute:
I understand that he could be a great buy.

But I think you should look at the other side as well. What if he doesn’t click on as expected? We’ve made mistakes like this in the past so many times. Now is the time for caution. It’ll be crystal clear when the time comes for us to buy a £100m player.

Brighton slapped €120m on Baleba around this time last year, what calculus did INEOS consult that told them Anderson would cost less than Baleba?

Anderson is going to the WC.
Anderson will start for England.

Anderson was chosen ahead of European title winning players like Palmer & Foden.

Anderson was chosen ahead of the all conquering, European winning Crystal Palace’s Adam Wharton.

Somehow, INEOS still thought he would cost £50m?