NigerianScholar:



From a christian perspective. They can get tempted by satan and fall for that temptation

From a logical perspective. What you are trying to say is all thieves,rapists,killers etc that happen to be christians didnt get trained properly in the way of God

Back to the christian perspective. Peter rolled with jesus himself but denied him judas as well. Would you say they werent trained properly?

From the christian perspective, out of 12, 1 faulted. There will always be a Judas. I am not arguing against that. I made that statement personal for reasons you will not understand so there is no need to go into that.
Now from your "logical" perspective, if I bring up my child properly, chances are, he will not end up to be a nuisance to the society. That is why parents take their time to train their children, if not, why bother?
So let me ask you sir, if your child grows up to be a thief, what will u do?

banmee:


And that is why you all are swirling in corruption. I just said it. You all don't care when monies come from as long as it is flowing. Kuantinu .

Mr Banmee have we had a discussion before? I think so. But seriously, if you want to find out the source of his money maybe you should. I made a comment on what I know and saw. I cannot make a comment on what I do not know.

Pastafarian:


you asked if dogs can give consent and that's a pure No! the link you gave was a forum so that opinion still stands

and when we say "consent" we mean consent between them and humans bro after all I see chickens give consent, don't be coy

an animal cannot give consent to a human, if you have something to the contrary then let's hear it

So when they want to mate with each other, do they give consent?

Pastafarian:


which is why we are having this kinda discussion

you came with the opinion that homosexuality should be totally illegal, I've listened to your reasons and I've found nothing objective about your objection

you gave a link to a forum which is just like someone using your posts as "proof", you gave another link of psychological problem and we've debunked that too cuz the link actually debunks itself, you talked about being at risk of STDs and Catfishbilly has given a medical explanation for such

so my conclusion so far is that you've not been able to give any objective reason for your being against homosexuality


that's how one listens without bias

No no
You didn't debunk " the link". I asked you and Mr catfish if dogs give consent to mate or whenever dogs mate with each other, its rape. None of you could answer because you know if they can consent to mate with each other, why can't they consent to mate with humans (who can give them orgasms). Now I brought incest into it and asked mr Catfish why incest is wrong and he said something about deformed offsprings.
And I asked, if they decide not to have children, are we going to see incest as normal? Or fathers sleeping with daughters and mothers sleeping with sons as long as they are two consenting adults?

OlaMiki:
what is the source of the huge money he's giving out ? aside from pastoring , what business or work is he doing ?

How I'm I supposed to know? You are skeptic. Go and find out.

Nothing we won't see in this life

Pastafarian:


I made it clear that you listen to their reasons for supporting/opposing it

And how are you sure you the listener, your own sentiments or bias won't come to play?

kevoh:

We all know the above is dead on arrival. There are many instances of kids even pastors kids who are well trained and turn out bad. So what will you do if after all the training and prayers, your child still turns out a homosexual?


The answer is already in your question. They have consented to it, irrespective of my opinion on incest.

So you will support your children if they turn out to be sexually attracted to each other?

banmee:


There is a beggar mentality prevalent in Nigeria. You guys don't care who doles out money to you all or where the money comes from. As long as the money keeps flowing everything is okie dokie. Ever wondered why you all can't seem to get rid of corruption?

I still don't understand you. He gave them money as shown in the OP. I reiterated the fact that he gave them money and that's beggar mentality? I'm I supposed to track the "source" of the 2m

Pastafarian:


you listen to their reasons for having that opinion

eg, many people support the death penalty but much less people would be inclined to support it if someone dear to them commits capital offense

objectivity made them support it, subjectivity made them oppose it

So basically you are saying that when the majority supports a thing, it is objective? For instance, majority does not support homosexuality including me. But the day I start having feelings for my fellow man, I might start to see it as OK.

banmee:


I'm talking about your thought process. Poverty is not only when you do not have material possessions. Nigerians are mentally poor.

So because I called that act "giving" when he actually "gave", I am mentally poor?

adepeter26:
To everyone in the, I have come to observe that, when the theme is God, the Most intelligent people become dumbest on earth.

Here is a case of what happened between myself and a colleague.

We both were discussing about God, he said Science has been able to agree that there is a god. When I prompted for evidence from him to back up his statement, he became mute.

We furthered the discussion and I told him according to specific verse(s) in the Bible,, we are made to understand the earth is flat.
He countered the point by saying the Bible clearly stated the earth is spherical in shape. Not to prolong the matter, I gave him a part of the Bible that said "THE ANGELS OF GOD ARE HOLDING THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH which inturn means, the earth is flat.....

He shocked me by replying, "DON'T CIRCLE HAVE CORNERS"?

I became silent cos I very never heard such in my life. Circle having four corners....

May i add that, this dude is a FIRST CLASS STUDENT OF MY PROFESSION

Cc hahn, CatfishBilly, frank317, akiintom, pastafarian, obinna58, jonnydon22, dalaman, KingEbukasBlog... Al pastors ọn nl with spiritual understanding etc

I think the four corners support cardinal points. North, south, east and west. Try reading Isaiah 40:21-22

CatfishBilly:

Now, your imagination is running wild. We are talking incest, sibling, cousins, not parents.

You call that imagination? It is happening already. I guess you didn't see the first picture I posted.

banmee:


You call this giving. Poverty has completely eroded any iota of common sense in Nigeria I swear. What a people. Smh.

I am not poor sir.

Pastafarian:


devoid of bias, sentiment and some emotions

So how do you know when an opinion is not biased or based on sentiment, is it when the majority goes by the same opinion?

CatfishBilly:

I've already answered this question.

If your answer is "yes" then sir we are already in that future. You will also consent to your wife sleeping with son as long as they decide not to have children. Is that right?

kevoh:

Point 1: Stealing is not on the same level as homosexualism and can not be compared.
Point 2: What would you do if your kids continued committing incest despite your preaching that is abnormal?
Point 3: You and other christians are the ones calling homosexualism abomination. Yet, I see christians giving testimonies when they get Visas to countries where this so-called abomination is allowed.
Point 4: Nigeria passed a law of 14 years to homosexuals. Yet Nigerian homosexuals still come out to identify themselves. Saudi Arabia has a death penalty on homosexuals, yet homosexualism is still flourishing there. These are countries that have refused to see it as normal!

What you fail to understand is you religionist people keep poke nosing into what two consenting adults decide to do in their room.

Ha! I am no way poke nosing. I am all for protecting my kids. Train up a child in the way he should grow and when he grows, he will not depart from it. I do not believe I will train my kids properly in the way of God and then they go ahead to commit incest.
Question sir, do you see incest between two consenting adults as normal?

Pastafarian:


this is asking for a subjective opinion

let's keep the discussion objective, I personally don't support the death penalty but that wouldn't make me come out and say its wrong; one is subjective while the other is being objective

Sir, what makes an opinion Objective?

CatfishBilly:

And you obviously missed the part in the link where it is written that discrimination against this group of people is the cause of the greater health risk.

OK OK. OK . I am not a medical expert. So let me ask you as the medical practitioner that you are. Do homosexuals (gays and lesbians) stand more health risk (not psychological this time) than heterosexuals?

CatfishBilly:

Would I be disappointed? Absolutely. Who doesn't want their gene to be passed down from generation to generation?
But it's their choice. Whatever they choose, man. I can't force my choice down their throats.

So to you, incest is acceptable?

Pastafarian:


Catfishbilly already echoed my thoughts ^

So you will let you son marry your daughter if they decide not to have children? Maybe adopt? You will be a happy father?

CatfishBilly:

No one can be sure, so, it's best not to assume consent and do whatever. That was what got Kemen kicked out of the Big Brother house

Humans are attracted to each there based on pheromones and the likes and the difference in genetic make up drives that attraction, but if they've found a way to hack that, good for them. I oppose incest based on the health implications on their offsprings.
But if they can both get themselves sterilized (that's the only absolute way to make sure that they don't get pregnant) and are both consenting adults, whatever floats their boat, man. As far as they are not hurting anyone, I'm good.

So if they get themselves sterilized you will give your children thumbs up to go ahead and have an incest relationship? Maybe even marry and adopt kids? You will be a happy father?

Pastafarian:


which is why I'm still asking you why it's wrong and you've not given me a single verifiable point as to that but instead answered with questions
you don't understand, I'm not saying homosexuality is okay cuz its better than incest, I'm saying homosexuality is okay cuz there's no evidence to the contrary except emotional arguments and appealing to a book who's authenticity is still up for debate

you're appealing to emotions here

gay people can have children!!!!

No evidence to the contrary? So we are going to ignore the fact they face greater health risks than heterosexuals?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/homosexuals-face-greater-health-risks-than-heterosexuals-study

Demmzy15:
Lalasticlala, Seun and other mods, this is a very true story.

Muslims are currently the most persecuted in the world!

Did you actually type this without laughing at the irony?

Pastafarian:

my point is that fornication, Holocaust, Genocide being against what Jesus taught HASN'T STOPPED THEM FROM DOING THOSE THINGS!!!!!

so it does follow that people having sex with animals doesn't mean its medically okay

you just proved my point for me
No they can't! your link is dubious in the sense that its just a forum like Nairaland, its like giving me a thread to Nairaland as proof that "Yahweh doesn't exist" anything can be gotten in a forum bro Absolutely!!!


I already told you, Amberon's post also highlights some of those things

If we are all scared of people who engage in incest having deformed children, if they decide not to have any kids, will you still see it as wrong?
Forget that link. When animals mate with each other, is there consent? Or is it always rape?

CatfishBilly:

Because children's sexuality is a taboo subject. No one wants to talk about it.

I don't know if animals give consent. You'll ask an animal psychologist or veterinarian for that.

Good. So you can't be sure as well if animals give consent to humans having sex with them.
Plus incest does not always have to lead to children. They can decide not to have kids (since we are all scared the kids might be deformed). After all, homosexuals can't have children directly. So if they decide not to have kids, will you still see it as wrong.

kevoh:

So if one can not tolerate homosexuals, what do you suggest we do to homosexuals? Lock them up? Murder them? Hunt them like Hitler hunted the Jews?

ERM... No sir. As a Christian, that is not my belief. You won't tolerate stealing would you? But that doesn't mean you will burn every thief you see. If you see your children committing incest, that doesn't mean you will kill them. We need to protect our children from this abomination. The moment we all start seeing it as normal, we will start giving room for other abominable acts to be seen as normal too.

Pastafarian:


you now agree with my opinion on incest?

so tell me why homosexuality is wrong

The fact that incest is worse than the other doesn't mean that the other is not wrong. When incest becomes acceptable, maybe your argument for accepting it and not accepting bestiality will be that bestiality is actually worse (worse risk of diseases, etc).
Sir, the penis was built for the vigina and vise versa. That is my believe. That is how it is meant to me. Gay people can't have children (remember your mentor Richard Dawkins claimed the purpose of life is to propagate DNA). How can we propagate DNA when you are sticking your penis in another man's buttocks?
Imagine 50% of humans where homosexuals.

CatfishBilly:

According to Sigmund Freud, one if his less popular works is that children have sexual urges. But they can't give informed consent. They don't understand what they are doing, what it takes and stuff, so, that makes bestiality wrong.

Yeah, homosexuals have a higher risk of contracting sexually transmitted infections and that is just because the anal mucosa have a wide surface area, so, whatever wants to enter has a wide surface area to work with.
Females are also much more likely to contact STD because of the large surface area of the vagina too.

And why is that work "less popular"? And sorry, I might be ignorant but if animals (dogs) give consent before they mate with each other ya? Or is it always rape?

Amberon:
And i guess since there are some species of animals that kill their offsprings (eg cocks) then it is okay for humans to murder their children too. Homosexuality has not been proven to not be a choice sir. All that is just speculation.

Homosexuality has not and can never be natural. It is very very unnatural and is even a mental illness Just like transgerism. If only homosexuals existed then the Human race would be wiped out in 100 years. It is no coincidence that homosexuals are 70 times more predisposed to the HIV virus.

How long before people like you start accepting incest relationships. How long before people start marrying object, oh a woman already married the eiffel tower. How dare you even compare homosexuality to blood groups, seriously? Stop glorifying insanity.

Thank you for this!

Zoharariel:
Leviticus 20:13 ~ “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.”

Law of moses sir. We are no longer under the law. He without sin, cast the first stone.

CatfishBilly:

The same link you posted says dogs for example have the mental development of a 2-3 year old.
Do you expect someone with that mental capacity to give informed/implied consent to sexual advances?

As for incest, like pastafarian said, it's linked with numerous health and developmental anomalies that it's not even worth it.
Their are some disease conditions that are so rampant amongst Jews because of incest.

How many two or three year olds feel sexual urge? How many of them have orgasms? That link proves that dogs can have sexual urge for their human lovers and if they can what stops them from being in a sexual relationship? My point is this. You can't see homosexuality as normal and not see the others as normal too. Just as there are diseases for those who engage is incest I know I have read in some places that homosexuals stand higher risk of STDs. Aids rate is 50 times higher in homosexual men. You are Doctor and you should know this more than me. There are lots of diseases associated with homosexuals, true or false? So it is not worth it.