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Pastafarian:
if you think about it, nothing is stopping anybody from doing anything, has bible stopped pastors from fornicating? did it stop Christians from being involved in the Holocaust? did it stop the church from being hugely responsible for the Rwandan genocide?

my point is that animals can't give consent and having sex with them is tantamount to "rape"; what is marriage? shouldn't it involve two consenting "animals"?, do you see me getting married to a brain dead hospitalised human as " marriage"?

there's a greater risk of bearing deformed offsprings

then again you haven't answered mine, you only answered with a question of your own, why is homosexuality wrong?

I have said it so many times and will continue to say it. Pastors fornicating, Christians killing, etc GOES AGAINST WHAT THE JESUS TAUGHT. And yes, animals can give consent!
http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/14297-Animals-*can*-consent-to-sex
And finally, one marrying a sibling runs a risk of having a deformed child? Really? Has that been proven?
I turned the question back at you because you now see homosexuality as normal. As it not being against out morals as humans. I need you to tell me why that is acceptable and incest is not?

CatfishBilly:
Bestiality is a crime in almost every country that I can think of. Animals can't give consent, so anyone having sex with animals is raping them, so that's a punishable offence.
Whoever shot that Indecency you watched is a criminal and is going straight to prison if caught.

As for why incest is wrong, this can help you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding
Read under genetic disorders if you can't read the whole thing.

Sir, I will need you to read this. Just because animals can't say yes or no doesn't mean they can't give consent to sex.
http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/14297-Animals-*can*-consent-to-sex
And as for the link you gave me, sorry to say this but I get turned off from reading when I see so many scientific words ( I am scientifically dull ). Wish that could be explained in the layman's terms.
Sorry for calling you "sir".

An2elect2:
How can you know when studying the Bible is not a priority!

Studying the Bible is my priority ma.

CatfishBilly:
The causes of homosexuality are multifactorial, no one can pin point a single cause.
Animals have been shown to indulge in homosexual activities, I read about one today where female koalas indulge in lesbian orgies. That means homosexuality occurs naturally in our environment, it is not the most represented sexual orientation in the population, but it is not an anomaly. Just like saying people that have blood group AB negative are not natural since they are so few in the population.
Scientists though agree on one thing, homosexuality is not a choice.
Pick up a textbook on history of sexuality and sexual psychology, it's eye opening.
Wikipedia is a good start.

Animals engage in incest too. Is that normal? A dog can mate with its mother, is that normal?
If it is not a choice, how come people stop being gay? There are lots of cases where people actually stopped being gay. And how did it happen? By choice.

Pastafarian:
animals can't give consent! so whatever sex they have is definitely non consensual

as for homosexuality, I'm no doctor/scientist but no one has been able to tell us what's really wrong with gay marriage, all we have is appealing to some holy books whose authenticity is always gonna be up for debate or a feeling of repulsion

Animals can't give consent! Has that ever stopped us? Porn industries have girls sleep with dogs (I am not proud to say this but my inquisitive nature made me watch a few when I was younger). There are news everywhere that people now marry animals. What has the animal's consent has to do with anything?
Now let me redirect your question to you. What is wrong with incest marriage?

An2elect2:


Well if you love your life so much that you will let error prevail, you can just smile at them or urge them on. Maybe God would change His mind and character on the day of judgment and give you a pass!

The god of this world has only but a short time and he just can't keep his character in check. Just don't be neutral because "non-sided" is one of his marks

I stand strongly against homosexuality as all Christians should. I am speaking about how the society tends to view them now. People like Brobisky (or whatever is his name) are now celebrities and news about them even gets to the front page of our beloved Nairaland. We as a people need to stand up against this abomination before it eats into our children.

Pastafarian:
the point of the write up is that allowing gay people to be open and stand for their rights might in consequence lead to incestuous people being given the same privileges down the line (slippery slope)

I think one doesn't necessarily lead to the other, there have been lots and lots of studies on homosexuality and most scientific studies found it not wrong and that some people are born that way

then again, a lot have been found to be wrong in incest

USA didn't just wake up one morning and allowed gay marriage, they did so after lots of research, questions, arguments and medical findings

I do not think there is any research that proves that people are born gay. Studies conducted have not been able to discover a single gene which is the direct curse of homosexuality. I believe upbringing and environment plays a huge part. Don't be fooled by what the media and movies show you sir.
And if everyone starts claiming to be born gay, I can also stand up and claim to be born to love animals (is there a name for this already) or love my sister and other forms of nonsense.

An2elect2:
LOL Who made these men pastors?
You and I know it can't be the God of the Bible.

And you can tell this how?

An2elect2:
I am against homosexuality, and every form of sexual perversion. If we don't love them up to the point of telling them God hates such abominable acts, then we don't really love them.

Always remember whose wrath is coming!

But when we tell them, they call us homophobic or whatever name. Even the media portrays gay as being normal. Even in Nigeria. Do you know less than 4% of Americans are gay? But if you are conversant with American media you might be forced to think more than 50% of Americans are gay just because of the way the media pushes this act on our faces. This is the society we live in now.

Pastafarian:
probably paying for his future Otobo

You people are funny . He gives, problem. He doesn't problem. What do pastors have to do gain your approval?

Pastafarian:
Your write up while interesting and straight to the point commits the slippery slope fallacy

Can you elaborate sir?

So being the twitter freak that I am, I came across these two pictures and something struck me. Long ago, it was inconceivable to even hear someone was homosexual. Yes! There were gay people but they were too scared to come out for fear of discrimination and because they were to ashamed of themselves. These days, we have people who wear it like an armour proudly and even flaunt it for our kids so they can start seeing it as normal. Even heard a cartoon company (Disney, I think) has aired it's first ever cartoon gay kiss.
Now, As a Christian i am not one to discriminate against gay people. In fact I am supposed to love them. Hate the sin and not the sinner. But if we continue to tolerate this level of moral decadence, how long before people like those in the pictures below begin to stand up for their own rights? No matter your religion or beliefs, will you tolerate your children having sexual relations with one another? Or your wife sleeping with your son or daughter or any kind of perversion that goes on these days? People are starting to see homosexuality as normal, how long before we decay to the point of even sleeping with animals, siblings, parents or all sought of inconceivable acts and see them as normal too?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the future.

LiberaDeus:
How do you know what you have is the word of god? Please dont tell me its because the book says so cause there are tons of books like that

Well, for one you need to see that accuracy on the prophesies of the Bible.
Well there are many reasons. Scientific accuracy, historical backing, etc. But I will give you two of them. One of them is the apt prophesies in the Bible. Majority of them was about Jesus! Being born of a virgin, being crucified (note that this prophecies were made when when even crucifixion was not a thing), his death and resurrection, etc. Also you really need to read about Daniel's prophesy of Alexander the great. You will be amazed at what you find.
Secondly, the Bible stands sure and true even till this present day. I remember one of my lecturers (an atheist) saying that the problem the Bible would have is that the world is changing. And the Bible might not be able to keep up. But it has been over 2000 years and it is still keeping up. The depths of knowledge in the Bible is one no other book can rival. People have to update books to keep up with the changing world but the Bible remains relevant even till today. Let us take for instance, the Koran which supports the beating of women. At that time it was a norm for husbands to beat their wives as a form of discipline. But with the rise of feminists and other women rights blah blah blah, beating your wife has become a travesty. This is where other "holy" books like the Koran has a problem. Shariah is not compatible with the present day society. The society preaches separation of church and state but search deep in the Bible, that came from Jesus himself when He said, "give to Caesar what is his and to God what is His". Also Paul talks about men and women being equal in Galatians 3, and preaches against wife beating even when at that time it was normal.
The Bible is futuristic and will continue to keep up with time.

analice107:
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Oooo, you are stopping my fun. Am just in a good mode
Well, since you say so, i will stop.
Good night bro.

Have a wonderful night rest.

LiberaDeus:
I am not asking how you know everything, i am asking how you know even the little you claim to know. You said we cant understand god with our brains but christians know a bit about him and grow in that knowledge. How do christians know the little about him?

Why do you feel the little you know about him is valid based on your tiny brains reasoning while that of freethinkers is invalid based on our same tiny brain.

Because we have the word of God. I didn't say you can't know God, I said it is impossible to know all of him. But we can always know more and more as we grow in the faith.

analice107:
Yup. Am a Winner.

Pls try and rest, rest is good.

Thank you dear. And you need your rest too. Stop chasing these demons all over Nairaland . Tomorrow is another day.

analice107:
His strength is made perfect in my weakness bro.
Sup man?

Am good dear. Had a looooong day. Trying to rest. You attend living faith?

Ishilove:
Analice107, one woman army

As in eh? I don't know where she gets the strength!

CatfishBilly:
Evil is a thing. Example, killing someone is a thing, not absence of not killing someone, Slavery is a thing, it's not absence of freedom.

Evil can't be moral cos the backbone of morality is empathy, and any human that lacks empathy can commit all sorts of atrocities. Evil and empathy can't mix, they are like oil and water.

People who have the inability to love that is lack empathy are called psychopaths and for whatever reason, they were born like that. If god created humans, he also created the psychopaths, so, god created evil.

So, if god is omni everything and still went ahead to create the psychopaths, that means he knowingly brought evil into the world, so, if he can bring psychopaths into the world, then he can also take them out/remove evil. Unless he can't do that then he isn't omni everything as he is purpoted to be.

I do not believe anyone is born with empathy. I believe it is learned. You are a scientist so can't argue with you much on that. But what I believe is that everyone is born with an innate sense of morality (according to Yale university research anyway). So everyone is born with the ability to love. Lack of not loving is what brings about evil. And Evil is not a thing just as Darkness isn't . Darkness is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of Good. Evil exists because Good does.

LiberaDeus:
How come you not only have fixed him into your tiny brain, you have fixed him into a book with 66 sub books.

You religious people claim to know god, his name, what he said to create the world, the will of god, the name of his son and even his plans for the future. You also claim to know his preferences.

Please how did you fit all that into your tiny brain and how did the miilions and billions of religious people fit all that into their tiny brains and please dont tell me it was revealed.

2 peter 3:18. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
We are supposed to keep growing in our knowledge of God. You can't know all of Him. Christianity is a school you can't graduate from because everyday you study the word, you find out something new about Him. So no one knows everything about God. We just tend to grow in the knowledge of Him.

lepasharon:
If god is so powerful, can he make another god more powerful than himself?

Ah! First you should know that God doesn't have the ability to do what is not in His nature. He can't lie, for instance. Why? It is not in His nature. So no! God can't make another God more powerful because that will be straying away from the nature of God. And His nature is what makes Him God.

Pastafarian:
are you one of the Christians that think Yahweh has the four omnis? (potent, scient, present, benevolent)

Yup

Respect55:
My brother, there is more to life than we think we know.

You say there is more to life. I say there is more to God. If we can fit God in our tiny Brain then He isnt worth worshiping.

It shows there is no God besides Allah?

Droldnallufepoh:
nope but I'm one of those that think if the four omnis is true there shouldn't be evil

Can you kindly elaborate?

psp2pc:
most churches preach about giving than salvation. altar call isn't same thing as preaching of salvation. I have been to over 3 different Pentecostal churches and I know what am talking about. in the past it wasn't like this. I am not talking about churches that are just springing up, I am talking about mega churches with HQ and branches worldwide. even @ their HQ, they preach mostly on giving to God all the time. even though they speak about salvation they still somehow twist the word to point that you still have to give to God even after been saved to be blessed.
am I lying?

OP, what exactly do you want to hear from the pastor?

teelaw4life:
I have a problem with the insincerity of religion in general and someone telling me how I'm supposed to live my life.

NO one is telling u how to live your life.

Respect55:
I'm not after the person who to you, created time but how He came to be

You still have a flawed knowledge of what God is. So if someone created God, then why is He worth worshiping since he was created like the rest of us? Before there was time, space and matter, there was nothing.

Respect55:
So what do u call that period that is outside the time that God created

I have no idea. The question was who created God. And my answer is that someone who isn't limited by time, space and matter can't be created and that person is God

Respect55:
Something of that nature. At an instant.

So how will you describe the person who created time?

Biggest proof is Mark 14: 61-63. OP read that verse and compare it to Exodus 3:14, Psalm 110:1 and Daniel 7: 13-14.

Respect55:
There can't be an existence without a beginning. For a thing to be, it must have STARTED to exist

It must have started. Based on time, right?