₦airaland Forum

Kalulu44:
Lolz! Did you read well at all. The ransome haven't been paid before he escaped

i kuku read oh, i think i need to edit the post. i was referring to the huge amounts demanded by kidnappers and how many people pay it without trace.

Dancebreaker:
Wrong. A lot of people such as boat people have no IDs. Others came in with irregular documents. I can't say more on this here.
So, how do you prove they are Nigerians?

I give you an example. In 1991, we heard that a guy I knew well had been arrested during a routine stop and search.

His appeal had been rejected and he didn't know yet. He was arrested and somehow deported to a French speaking central African country.

But on arrival, immigration didn't accept him because he spoke no French or any local language there. He was returned and released to our surprise. So, imagine if he spoke French.

It's more complex than you think.

Africans will be sent packing while Asians will remain. Not very clever.

FG should use same enthusiasm to stop Boko, ISWAP. bandits, kidnappers, Lakurawa, etc.

Nigeria will recognise UK-issued identification letters—documents given to individuals without valid passports—thereby eliminating delays associated with obtaining emergency travel certificates before deportation.
Eliminating delayss is different from accepting everything coming your way. There'd be a two sided verification in place. If Nigeria doesn't have the person's records, they shouldn't be accepting such persons. Countries cannot just accept unverified people. There are records for God's sake, maybe not 100%, but there are still records. Nigeria Immigration, NIN, Police, BVN etc are all records and database to confirm from. Each deportee has name, date of birth, place of birth, etc that can be verified. Colluding with criminals to frustrate lawful deportation is not smartness. This has nothing to do with terrorism or enthusiasm. It's commonsense to remove useless bottlenecks. If a Nigerian is a criminal outside Nigeria, Nigeria should gladly receive such person instead of frustrating the process and allowing them constitute nuisance outside our shores.

Also from the minister who signed. It's clearly about RETURNING. People who are not Nigerians and never been to Nigeria can't be returned or returning to Nigeria. Let's be calming down.

The agreement signed by the Minister of Interior, Hon. Olubunmi Tunji-Ojo on behalf of the government of Nigeria and Home Secretary, Rt Hon Shabana Mahmood on behalf of the UK government, guarantees that returnees will be treated with dignity, rights retention under domestic law, and may re-enter in the future if they meet the applicable immigration requirements.

It also provides detailed arrangements for the dignified return and reintegration of NIGERIANS who do not have the legal right to remain in the UK.

This arrangement includes: the use of secured travel documentation, case-by-case identity verification, and safeguards for vulnerable individuals and potential victims of trafficking.

This framework also sets out clear definitions, scope, and areas of cooperation, including; information sharing, capacity building, training, and joint research on migration management and border security.

https://x.com/i/status/2034887247648997567

Mrchippychappy:
The issue is that you are questioning the justification to withdraw 15 million raised by family and friends of the kidnap victim?

Any rational thinking person or any thinking person for that matter would know that the victim has no leverage in this case and would therefore have to do whatever the kidnappers asked for, You even saw the victim mention the fate of the other kidnapped victims who have some how failed to make their own payments and yet, in all your wisdom, you some how skipped through all of that and decided to question the justification of the family of the victim withdrawing THEIR OWN MONEY to secure the release of a loved one.

I would try not to use any insulting words and I understand that everyone has the right to support any political party, I could care less if anyone thinks the current administration are performing admirably or poorly, however using a case like this to some how victim blame while completely turning a blind eye on the failures of the authorities and leaders who are supposed to prevent this in the first place makes me think very little of you.

Since everyone has the right to support any political party, why did you have to go bring up a post i made about politics into crime? Who cares about you or what you think? You think i had you in mind when i posted? i simply raised a point about money tracing. The victim in the OP didn't pay any money, he escaped. But the frequesnt ask for such huge amounts by kidnappers is what i tried questioning. Kidnappers should not be able to easily get such huge amounts without trace, whether 15 or 50million. It's why i mentioned that people shouldn't be able to easily withdraw such huge amounts in cash to go give to kidnappers. (i skipped the option where they'll pay/transfer the money into bank account of the kidnapper as that should not even be existent). Another forum member, Malagans, has poited out the issue of multiple accounts and POS. It's a discussion forum. If you refuse to see things beyond your prism of politics, tribe and religion, that's not my headache.

Malagans:
Through POS as well

That POS is another business that needs strict regulations and real KYC.

Mrchippychappy:
I saw your post and had to look at the previous posts you have made, and honestly I am not surprise. You completely ignored the actual issue staring you in the face and instead decided to introduce an entirely ridiculous angle to this issue.

Let me know the actual issue. politics and Obi, right?

Well, that's another point.

Malagans:
Lol..
the monies are withdrawn from more than just a Bank or two.

Originalsly:
Are you sure this is about the deportation of Nigerians? It did not specify and such agreements need to be specific. It said Nigeria will accept individuals with papers issued by UK Immigration. And we wonder why they were toasting him .... butter him up then drop the agreement for him to sign. What is not mentioned is the UK will pay for the maintenance of each deported .....and we already know what will happen to that. Gang members and criminals loading

i am guessing they sent the agreement details to you?

JuanDeDios:
NO ransom was paid in this case. Thank God. But, yes, people have paid in excess of 15m in the past. And, yes, it shows our security system isn't up to scratch if people are able to pay that kind of money and the bandits are able to disappear with it.

Yeah, thanks for the clarification. The point is still valid though. They make it more lucrative in a sense. i agree with your point.

Malagans:
Withdraw?
How?

The victims families or the kidnappers?

Anyone. The monies that are usually demanded should be traceable. Banks should make it difficult and more verifiable for people to just withdraw huge amounts in these times. If not everytime. The money must have a trace. They should make it harder for people to gather such huge cash to deliver to kidnappers. Bank transactions should be easier and more preferred to cash withdrawal for such huge amounts.

Dancebreaker:
It also means that anybody with black skin whose country won't accept can be issued with UK identity document making him Nigerian. And be deported to Nigeria.

Remember that Trump deported Colombians, Venezuelans, and others to El Salvador abi na wetin be that country.

Many countries simply refuse to admit anyone without ID is not issued by the home country.

No, it means Nigeria will recognise UK-issued identification letters—documents given to individuals without valid passports—thereby eliminating delays associated with obtaining emergency travel certificates before deportation.
Deported people have identities, they came into the country with passports and have records. Some people throw away their passports, destroy it or whatever to frustrate deportation procedure.

How on earth is anyone allowed to withdraw 15million naira cash. Such amount must have a lot of justification. Why can't we have simple paper trail. i want to assume the ransom was not done by bank transfer. These kind of monies should not be easy to withdraw in cash.

Ayanko:
We don't need UK degree, what we could need is Educational tourism or Exchange.
Oga Minister use your brain.

Lolz, it's done and accepted all over the world. And BTW, it's Coventry University that's asking for this partnership, the government only facilitates and hastens it. It hasn't stopped other ongoing or future exchange programs. You don't want or need, yet the highest school fees even from kindergarten are British schools in Nigeria. Why are you going there since you don't need it?

floss:
Why not accept the prayer if you believe that what you’re supporting is perpetually right in the eyes of whatever you pray to … no one is talking about election loss… the point is are you supporting the wrong thing because you think you’re hurting igbos or hurting obidients… or you’re supporting evil because you want the same hell you’re currently going through in that country called Nigeria to befall your children and grandchildren ?

You won’t go unpunished… yours will be worse because none of your family or relatives are in this administration…

Not sure what you know about prayers, neither do i need your prayers. All your words are returned to you in double fold in the mighty name of Jesus Christ.

Atheistan:
Oga if a Nigerian gets deported its not a discussion where they are getting deported to.

Nigerians have been getting deported since 1812 where are they being sent to? Sweden?

Nawa for una ooo.

Nah Sudanese and South American criminals dey come here ooo.

the return of individuals without legal status in the United Kingdom.

Under the arrangement, Nigeria will recognise UK-issued identification letters—documents given to individuals without valid passports—thereby eliminating delays associated with obtaining emergency travel certificates before deportation.

floss:
You won’t go unpunished… yours will be worse because none of your family or relatives are in this administration… everyone has moved on from the past election my dear, is it that you’re not concerned about how much suffering your children and grandchildren will meet in that country called Nigeria ?

Folks flex and pay through their nose for UK degrees, Cambridge schools, etc in the UAE and other parts of the world. It's optional. It doesn't stop the good works to improve education here. Stop letting election loss destroy you.
All your words are returned to you in double fold in the mighty name of Jesus Christ.

BarrElChapo:
The same thing PBAT refused the USA, one state banquet that’s is akin to wooing a lady with Indomie and eggs is what the same PBAT has agreed to take from the UK and the minister is proudly announcing it.

One, respect is reciprocal. Two, this refers to deportation of Nigerians. The other wanted to force disposing global criminals on us.

Isn't that my dear evangelist?

omoredia:
it is unchrsitian for her to do such but lawlessness is now the order of the day

And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence” 1 Tim 2:121

Meeting them?

shortgun:
When you think they can't go any lower, they surprise you.

Folks flex and pay through their nose for UK degrees, Cambridge schools, etc in the UAE and other parts of the world. It's optional dear. It doesn't stop the good works to improve education here. Stop letting election loss destroy you.

ArcSEMPECJ:
If we can all gather the budgets that took all of these Men to London, and use it for something good in Nigeria, may be repair our refineries, fix electricity, or fix unemployment, or inflation or insecurity or economic indices of Nigeria. ....by now the Citizens of Nigeria will be rejoicing that we have good leaders ....

Imagine the Son of the President and his city boys squad travelling along,......what did they go to London to do

Nigeria , whoever cursed you, didn't wear any clothes on to do so and he did so in 2015 with an egg and a broom in his two hands ...

i can't imagine this level of ignorance in one body. May God intervene.

i saw loud wailing on the first page, was there a recent election loss or it's for the future one?

omoredia:
her places is in the room and kitchen. thats why u dont see muslim women doing all this. they know their place

Well, this is a christian woman if i recall.

omoredia:
If not for lawlessness why would a woman be talking with religious leaders? Can they try this in islam?

Really, a woman is not allowed to talk with religious leaders?

SageTravels:
They always arrange religious leaders at everywhere and every occasion 😁

There are leaders and representatives everywhere and occasion, think.

Fxwarrior:
I hope you understand that the senior officer is not against extortion but prefer he takes them to office for the real one.


Is it better to drop #200 at road or #200 000 at office? Reason it.

If the official fine is not cash but epayment to a publicly known government account, it'd reduce. Because the fine will have description and will be standard state wide or nation wide. Unfortunately, Nigerians love shortcuts themselves.

GanagiBitrus:
If they are really serious about stopping this police extortion, just use this same tactics, catch some & set example with them. & others will stop.

But then, some ogas on top want the extortion to continue because they receive their own share of the loot.

It's a bit crude. We can employ technology like making video recordings necessary part of interactions, duty police having to wear compulsory body cam, making e-payment compulsory, etc. They'd as usual frustrate the process but it's better in the long run if consistent. Let there be central supervision of body cam videos by multiple agencies and stakeholders. That's also job creation in a sense. i tell you, humans fear the unknown eye that might be watching them than they fear God.

moscow007:
Peter Obi is not built for Nigerian Politics, what would it cost him to mobillise a massive protest and force the drug baron out of UK?

You can't beat this criminal enterprise by playing fair.

Go to the ballot box and win fair and square. Nigeria is a democracy, not a protest movie.

God save the king ohhhhhh

Don't worry, obidents will use their coldspot to help officer.

Not new. Same pain. Uselessly directed outrage.

In other words, they need more money.

Seems this EFCC no dey profitable oh. Na so so fine compared to how much they make for us.