₦airaland Forum

Someone has received a prayer point in his mailbox.

I'm not surprised.

Neither the accused nor the accuser is trustworthy.

We wait for the next episode of the drama.

For those who fan such shows and rely on the shows' teachings to get partners, the question is 100% right.

Your topic is like asking whether it is right to promote drugs. Those who are against drug abuse will tell you no, while drug addicts will answer yes. Do you now understand why I said that the question is 100% right for those who fan such shows?

abdsamad:
Rest fest

This is for you who are restless.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
You said it is impossible for a banker or a contractor to be married to a teacher. Are you sure?

Point out where, when and how I said it.

ivandragon:
What is the lie I have told?

You claimed all cleaners go to work daily. I provided evidence that not all cleaners can afford to go to work and you are calling me a liar? Since it was only Enugu you were sure of, why were you arguing blindly with the documented information from other states?

Anyway, you have shown yourself to be a dumb clown.

You repeatedly asked the cleaners that go to work everyday. I replied by saying that the cleaners I know do so.

You later cited a claim about a state that is not my state of residence. You further challenged me to provide documented evidence of my claim.

You are the liar for insinuating that what I tell you about the cleaners in my locality is not true, even when you have no fact against my claim.

It is childish for you to say that I am wrong because I am in Enugu. No documented information has proven that lecturers are sleeping their office is because of transportation cost. Even in this very post, a professor interviewed stated that he is not aware of any of his colleagues sleeping in the office. It is just a claim by the chairman.

ivandragon:
Not all cleaners in workplaces I know go to work every working day. Most either sleep at the office through the week or make arrangements to go twice a week.

Not all teachers in government primary schools go to work every working day. They have started running shifts. Even state governments have made arrangements to reduce working days

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/06/subsidy-nut-parents-fault-reduction-in-school-days/

https://www.channelstv.com/2023/06/10/subsidy-edo-govt-reduces-school-days-to-thrice-weekly/

You are yet to provide any documented evidence to back up your assertions...

I'm in Enugu State. Until you provide a documented evidence that teachers in government primary schools in Enugu now take shifts, you are the liar here. Also, all the teachers in the government primary and secondary schools I know and all the cleaners I know go to work everyday from Monday to Friday, except the instances of absenteeism that has been happening since ages.

ivandragon:
What reliable evidence do you have that cleaners go to work every day?

What news sources do you have to validate your claim that is contrary to documented evidences that most Nigerian workers cannot afford to go to work daily?

If you want to say you are speaking from 'experience', then I put it to you that cleaners can no longer afford to go to transport themselves to work daily. And this conforms with the general information available that most Nigerian workers cannot afford to go to transport themselves to work daily due to hardship...

All the cleaners in the workplaces I know go to work everyday, except on Saturdays and Sundays.

All the teachers in government primary schools I know go to work everyday except during midterm break or after exams and during holidays.

The case is a very interesting one. Let's see how it goes and where the media gets tired of cashing out from the case.

abdsamad:
Rest, my friend. Please, rest.
I know you can't tell that you're wrong, but you are. Just rest and come back to it after a good night's sleep, it might be clearer to you.

I assume you're young and relatively inexperienced. At least i hope so

You are yet to use your old age and experience to present any fact against my comment.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Wives and mothers to gainfully employed men, you have said it yourself

You are not listening

You have closed mind to reason. These women may likely be wives of a contractor in the construction industry or to a bank worker or even oil and gas sector who can in addition to footing their transportation and feediñg bill buy them a car.

I am yet to see any contractor whose wife works as a cleaner. The only set of men who work in oil companies while their wives are cleaners are those men that serve gardeners, gate men and guards, not even drivers.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Wives and mothers to gainfully employed men, you have said it yourself

You are not listening

You have closed mind to reason. These women may likely be wives of a contractor in the construction industry or to a bank worker or even oil and gas sector who can in addition to footing their transportation and feediñg bill buy them a car.

I am yet to see any contractor whose wife works as a cleaner. The only set of men who work in oil companies while their wives are cleaners are those men that serve gardeners, gate men and guards.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
It is very unfortunate the way you have decided to reason.

It is people like you that will use a corrupt politician son or daughter who happened to be employed in let's say level 8,9 civil service living large driving a latest car, feeding well, living in a luxury condo to judge everyone else

Before a person like you realise that it is not salary that got the guy or girl those luxury such as 2024 SUV car rather their looting politician parent it will take forever

Your claim about me here is not just false but business. And, it shows how irrational you are.

What is your current brand of body spray?

The event was probably organised by people of questionable characters.

Chisco is wise here.

Dvea:
And I repeat are you just trying to argue? I have given you the answer time and time again. The current salary for lectures is the reason why. I also mentioned location that many of the lectures are living very far other workers are usually living close by. A lecture cannot afford to pay for two homes or to fuel their cars to transport them from their homes anymore because the cost of things are higher. I have said it time and again.

Other university workers typically live close by, they also don't have cars to maintain and fuel. A lecture can't fuel their car because their income cannot cover the cost of the new fuel price. Neither can they afford to rent a closer house because their income cannot cover a second home. You keep mentioning that I'm twising things, but I am only countering your points. When you mentioned that it was their fault for living so far away, I gave you the reason why they are living far away. When you mentioned it's their lifestyle I told you they were living based on their education and exposure. Even as you are comparing other low level workers, I'm telling you that as much as they are coming to work with their funds, many are living closer, many are trekking half way to work, many are sending their children to semi public schools not feeding very well. They can still maintain a slightly similar life because their needs have always been on the lower end.

But a lecture has always had an average lifestyle that their salary could sustain before but not anymore. I'm honestly sounding like a broken record now. It has everything to do with the salary. Besides I think you have an unclear idea of how low level workers are also suffering now.

Before they could comfortably afford paying public transport and even some luxuries within their level eg, chattering keke or taking bike a long distance. Now many of the ones I know are walking at least 50 percent of their journey. Many also are no longer working so far away and found jobs nearby or relocated permanently to locations closer to their workplace. They too have had to change within their own level.

But it's harder for a lecture to relocate when he already has a house. They have already told you that commuting is expensive and fuel prices are high so the only solution is living near by, but sustaining a second home is also expensive so their either sleep in their office to save cost or pay short let fees which ads up quickly. and many of them can't struggle for transport like a low level person is used to because as I mentioned many have files and documents and laptops and their homes are further away.


Both workers, the low level and the lectures are facing the same situation but the extent to which is different because they are not in the same financial level.

the low level is now trekking more to commute, the lecturer is now looking to sleep in the office to cut commuting cost
the low level worker is now eating 2 meals a day, the lecturer is probably still eating 3 meals but of slightly lower quality
the low level worker has changed children's school to something lower, the lecturer is probably depending on their university benefits to help train their kids


They are both suffering the brunt of the economy, but the lecturers are facing more noticeable sufferings than the lower level worker.


You will still come with your story of twisting things even when I'm clearly countering your points but you are unwilling to listen beyond your opinion and honestly I'm done trying to speak to you. You are a person with a stong opinion in your own idea and won't see reason until you walk the same shoes. iF THE Lecturers say they can't afford the commute anymore, you can't force them to do more than themselves and they won't run on a loss when they have families and lives to live. They have told you their reality, weather you want to believe it or not does not change their reality neither does it change their stance.

I digress but, you seem like the kind of person who'd complain and wonder why a person driving a car or looking healthy would be begging for help. You are probably a person who believes only the handicap or the orphaned child needs support and financial assistance. From person experience, sometimes the most comfortable looking people are the poorest of them all. Making 400k doesn't guarantee that you can be financially more stable than a 70k earner, because your responsibilities and life situations can be so different that 70k will have more impact for the person earning it than 400k will have on you who earns it. It has nothing to do with standard of living but more about the responsibilities and duties you both are tasked with.

Your first two sentences in your second paragraph support and summarise my claim.

Choice of standard of living is the actual reason lecturers may not afford to transport themselves to work.

Every other thing you wrote here is unnecessary because I never denied the fact that everybody faces the hardship. You described yourself in your last paragraph. That is why you act as if I ever claimed that the lecturers earn well. I never said that the lecturers earn well. My point is that claiming that the lecturers cannot afford to transport themselves to work is too much exaggeration.

Good, if true and prudently done.

Nawa oh!

Noted.

ivandragon:
Have you done the survey to show that those categories of people you mentioned go to work every day? What is your information source that made you conclude that those categories of workers go to work every day?

The reputable information sources show that those in the middle to lower classes cannot go to work daily with some even stopping their jobs due to the increased cost of living.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/10/nigeria-where-it-no-longer-pays-to-work-by-dele-sobowale/

https://m.lindaikejisblog.com/2024/9/many-nigerians-will-be-resigning-from-their-places-of-work-this-month-because-they-can-no-longer-cope-with-the-increase-in-transportation-fare-x-influencer-says.html

Even state governments have reduced working days for civil servants at state & LG levels.

https://governor.lagosstate.gov.ng/2024/02/22/hardship-sanwo-olu-rolls-out-relief-measures-reduces-work-days-for-lagos-civil-servants/#:~:text=From%20next%20week%2C%20State%20workers,not%20intended%20to%20disrupt%20governance.

https://www.osunstate.gov.ng/2024/09/governor-adeleke-approves-reduced-work-days-for-civil-servants-extends-palliative-payments/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/2-nigerian-states-reduce-work-days-because-of-petrol-hike/2916891

So provide your own sufficient evidence that those categories of people you mentioned go to work everyday.

The ones that are cleaners go to work everyday, and many of them are wives and mothers.

Do the lecturers in question go to work everyday?

The man is evil. No justification for his action.

But I doubt if his action is punishable in court since you willingly granted him access to your mailbox.

Dvea:
The salary is the issue. The salary isn't rising to meet the higher cost of living. Are you just playing or do you really not understand.

If in 2009 My lifestyle which was the bare standard consisted of

School fees for 4 kids 60k monthly
Feeding 100k monthly
Healthcare 40k monthly
Housing bills 40k monthly
Personal allowance 40k monthly
Savings 50k monthly
Transportation 30k monthly

Totalling 320


If in 2024 the cost of living that same 2009 standard is now 800k, what would you say is the problem if I complain about not meeting costs, would you say my standard or living is high or would you say I need a higher salary to meet rising costs.


The problem and reason why they are sleeping in their offices is not because of their living standard but because salary increment isn't rising with the economic realities. Increase their salaries and things would go back to normal.


Before today, was there ever such a news? They could manage but now they can't their salary isn't matching the economic realities. And they won't drop a living standard that should honestly be the bare minimum just to please anyone.

The problem is the stagnant salary not their standard of living.

You are twisting things here. The argument is not about the general cost of living in the country. The argument is about why many who earn less than lecturers do can transport themselves to work but lecturers cannot transport themselves to work. As a matter of fact, many of those who transport themselves to work work in the same universities.

Dvea:
Yes they don't have the funds to cover long distance commuting or the funds for closer rent. Because those two have skyrocketed in prices and it's eating deep into the good lifestyle they are living which includes quality education, good feeding, safe housing, good medical care, etc. All of which a sales girl can compromise on but a lecture won't.

I have repeated this answer 4 times now and you are still asking the same questions.

Based on your last paragraph, you have indirectly admitted that the lecturers' choice of standard of living is the primary reason they may not afford to transport themselves to work. So, I am right for saying that salary is not the actual reason those lectures sleep in offices. What else are we arguing about?

Dvea:
Requiring them to change their already standard lifestyle will do not good to the educational sector. That means straining them even further eventually those who need to maintain a good standard of living will move jobs leading to brain drain.

I feel like you are so determined to say they must have the money to rent a second house nearby but accommodation around schools are expensive and asking them to manage two homes is crazy.

But if you have met lecturers you see that it's not even like they are living extravagantly they are just doing the standard. But living a standard life is not expensive. I mentioned to you that a sakes girl or civil servant has their children in private schools with teachers who's qualification is usually pathetic and who's earnings are equally worse. And educated lecturer won't send their children there because they know the quality the child will receive is laughable. This means a higher amount spent on education. Same with feeding, sane with personal care and grooming. Because a Sales girl is making it work with 70k doesn't mean she's living well. For them they are living in poverty. A lecturer should not be made to do the same thing for any reason.

Everyone's salary at this point needs to go up to avoid people choosing the lowest quality of life just to get by. For their sleeping in the office, that could be the most cost effective option for them with the way the economy is and with trying to balance living cost and work duties. But getting a second accommodation, even I know is ridiculous in this economy.

You have indirectly admitted that the lecturers' choice of standard of living is the primary reason they may not afford to transport themselves to work. So, I am right for saying that salary is not the actual reason those lectures sleep in offices.

You repeating that everyone's income needs to go up is unnecessary because I never denied the hardship.

Snake001:
You must be a Biafràn.

He no dey hard una to bring negative comments into every thread

Negative based on reality or based on your biased perception?

1.
If you are not a snake as your username implies, can you explain how the proposed armed squad is the solution to officers being killed? Will the squad be more armed than custom officers that get killed at borders? Are the roads not the same ones filled with armed soldiers and police officers who often either share checkpoints with the road safety officers or station their own checkpoints very close to those of the road safety officers?

2.
Considering how the officers harass road users, is lack of arms for the officers the major problem of the ministry?

Dvea:
What you forget is the cost of living around a university environ is ridiculous. I'll give you a quick task use and search for 3 bedroom apartment near any major university like Unilag and see them calling 1.5 million naira with their full chest. For many lecturers as I mentioned their standard of living is different and what they priorities is different. Even in the oast, the salary wasn't so big that they could ball or anything. They still needed to be conservative if they wanted the life and education they know is right so the resulting conclusion was buy and build. But land near big universities are crazy expensive because everyday people have turned hostel to their full time income. So they must go far enough to allow them cover the cost of living the standard of life they know is right. The were never moving far just because they wanted to, it was were their money could reach them.

Thus is why on campus accommodation is so important for them to save cost. Or else higher income to help support a good lifestyle. I stand by the fact that any rich lecturer you see today is one who is either married to a rich spouse or one who I'd doing a side job or business.


You need to realise that black and white is not the only answer. And if many are complaining then something truly js wrong. And as I said weather they are over or under exaggerating 400k salary is disappointing and I know well that 400k can do nothing special in this economy.

So my question to you @immortalcrown are you truly convinced that their pay is good enough to survive. Even if a sales girl and civil servant is earning less, do you think 400k is such a huge amount for a lecturer with the economy we are in now?

You are twisting things here to possibly dodge the truth.

I never said that 40k is such a huge amount of money. I clearly stated that the economy is very bad for everyone.

The argument is that, if people who have families, pay rents and transport themselves to work earn less than what an average lecturer earns, is transportation cost the actual reason some lecturers sleep in offices?

Do you mean another extortion team?

Can you explain how the proposed armed squad is the solution to officers being killed? Will the squad be more armed than custom officers that get killed at borders? Are the roads not the same ones filled with armed soldiers and police officers who often either share checkpoints with the road safety officers or station their own checkpoints very close to those of the road safety officers?

Considering how the officers harass road users, is lack of arms for the officers the major problem of the ministry?

Dvea:
I never dodged the question you are just not listening. But I'll use simple English. No lecturing is still far better but as I said living standard is different. I'm more interested to know how you are so sure sales girls and civil servants are communting as long a distance as these lecturers.

I stated clearly in my reply to you. A sales girl won't mind squatting in a semi hostel space with poor living standards but a lecture won't. Even in the original post one of the lecturers mentioned that their only option is paying 5k for an overnight space.

As I said I answered you question but you didn't listen. Sales girl job isn't better but the standard of life a Sales girl can bend to a lecturer won't. A sales girl might be able to commute but many of them live in the environs. A civil servant may be able to commute but they also squat with friends and live in the environs. These two classes are also not spending heavily on feeding and education which are things lecturers may priorities reducing their flexible funding.

A sales girls job isn't better and even if she can commute to work most of them trek which I'd not an option, on first physical look you can tell hands down that they are living a lower quality of life than the lecture. A lecturer won't trek to work, most of them living outside campus have their own homesthry built and usually they are on the outskirt. This means they have 1 hour plus to commute and won't be able to trek it.

A sales girls responsibilities isn't as much as a lecturer so even though the lecturer is earning more they have a different lifestyle and responsibility that makes anything a sales girl can do impossible for them. For a lecturer exposure matter, training their children matters, good feeding matters, good standard of living matters all of which cannot fit into 400k anymore. They aren't only saying they can't pay for another accommodation near by, they are saying that even if they can, it's a waste of funding they can channel to other things.

I told you I answered you question but you are looking for a black and white answer for lives of people that are mostly grey.

1.
I am very sure that some low-level civil servants in local government secretariats have families, pay rents and transport themselves to work while earning less than 70,000 monthly. I'm sure because I know many of them. Maybe they have now started receiving more because of the new minimum wage. The point is that many of them earn less than what an average lecturer earns.

2.
Since you admit that standard of living differs, why not admit that lecturers can transport themselves to work if they are rational towards their standards of living?

3.
The lecturers have responsibilities, no doubt. But since those who have similar responsibilities and earn less than what the lecturers earn do not sleep in offices because of transportation cost, can't you see that salary is not the problem here?

VeeVeeMyLuv:
He is here to defend and justify the impact of the current situation of the country

You dodge my questions because you know that answering them will expose you. You are trying to use emotions and sentiments against facts. The fact is that the economy is hard on everyone. The fact is also that lecturers salaries are not too small to transport them to their workplaces.

Parents that have spouses and children and pay house rents and earn less than lecturers do not sleep in their offices to cut transportation cost. So, how come lecturers are the one sleeping in office to cut transportation cost? Are those parents' jobs better than the jobs of the lecturers?

greypencils:
I can see you are here to troll. Have a nice life.

Self description.

You dodge my questions because you know that answering them will expose you.