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I can't believe this, after one week of absence, this pilgrim fellow is still dealing with you shitless catholics. I kind of like this pilgrim fellow  i love the way he picks catholics to pieces and you guys are so dumb not to be able to provide sensible answers, haaaa! I'll take a cue from him and deal with other want to be christians, 

You rock pilgrim, shut these catholic fuckers up

@mo fe dobo

haaaaa, arrant crap, big G or small g, makes no difference to me. Ok to satisfy ur curiousity, i'll say it again in your big G mode

wow i have been a little bit busy for some days now and i see my fan base is increasing and the regular supporters club goldman and labiyemmy have also dropped in . Hope you shit heads would continue to make my profile grow stronger

P:s what is God's sexual preference? Is he gay or bisexual? I have always imagined if he was real, he would be some blond big breasted chic with a phat ass and very wide P*You*S*S*Y and i guess all the angels would take time gang banging her or him or her him or whatever it is

I bet angel micheal loves to go under god and suck till his mouth goes numb and stick his big phat Dick into God's mouth, wow that would be mighty fun to watch

Please somebody tell me this is how you see God too and i'll believe she exists

stupid fake assed hallucinating "i know God exists" muda fukers

How's that for size, arse hole nincompoop

P:s I like your screen name, maybe you could fuk GOD'S OBO and jist us how it feels someday I 'll buy the movie rights from you if you do tell

yes i know when he is coming! He's coming next week to make sure he attends the gay festival happening in newyork. He cant miss it for anything. Hopes he doesnt forget his lubricant cos some Hot gay blokes would love to celebrate his second coming with some great gang banging

wow i have been a lil bit busy for some days now and i see my fan base is increasing and the regular supporters club goldman and labiyemmy have also dropped in . Hope you shit heads would continue to make my profile grow stronger

P:s what is god's sexual preference? Is he gay or bisexual? I have always imagined if he was real, he would be some blond big breasted chic with a phat ass and very wide P*U*S*S*Y and i guess all the angels would take time gang banging her or him or her him or whatever it is

I bet angel micheal loves to go under god and suck till his mouth goes numb and stick his big phat Dick into god's mouth, wow that would be mighty fun to watch

Pls somebody tell me this is how you see god too and i'll believe she exists

stupid fake assed hallucinating "i know god exists" muda fukers

wow, my fan base is on the rise, thanks y'all, your wonderful Does this now mean that one of you slaves can now declare me officially as your god because this vote of confidence is overwhelming. Mind you, i'll be a better god to you, cos even though you can see me , i'll be writing you fan mails, daily.

Now as your new god, who wld be the first to suck my d*i*c*k? and in return, i'll bless you and make all your overated fantasy prayers feel alil bit real

ok labiyemmy you get the first honor since you started this fan site I hope you like big juicy dicks for your dinner

Gee my first fanzine. You actually went out of the limb to create a fan site for me I dont know how to thank you enough! when do we do the launch party? and where do we do the after party, aahhhhhh! club Heaven i guess, but club hell is much much cheaper

f, ckhead!

am not a bad man, am only doing the work of my father that he proffessed and created.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and[b] create evil: I the Lord do all these things.[/b]

—Isaiah 45:7

it is only natural i take after the father. I am his creation afterall according to the christian apologists ( rofl if you believe any of this bullshit) except the biblical phrase off course!

let me also help you answer that question, hmm absolute power corrupts absolutely

spot on ric, thanks for playing the devils advocate in that piece, thoroughly enjoyed it to an extent

it's so funny seeing christians at each others throat, trying to profess which bible is better or which doctrine is more outstanding and why you shouldn't pray to this and why you should follow that!

word of advise: your both so stupid for fighting over something that doesnt even exist:

after the insults and counter insults, you both go home and read that manuscript you call scriptures, (not to assimilate it but to prepare more ammunitions to out smoke your selves)

Isn't it wonderful? 

i have been enjoying the entertainment so far and surely this is better than the fox "movie of the day".

So keep up the good insulting work and hopefully one of you would wake up from this delirium and join me by the sidelines to laugh at your delusional and banal tirades

Meanwhile from my own little observation from the side lines, you catholics are a bunch of losers and that Pilgrim fellow is leading by a mile although his arguments are also irrational because it based on falsitude, he is still better off than
you catholics who can't even defend anything thrown at you!

Now entertain me more i command thee!

$$Rhino:
God is not a being, God is one that has never been anywhere and yet he is everywhere, there is no time for him, he created all and nothing created Him, God is such an awesome father.

2 quick flaws to your argument:

1. It's not possible for you to be in 2 places at a time. Either your here and here alone or you move to another spot and your there and there alone. Except your telling me that your god has a mobile, fax machine and the internet at his disposal, then you can partially say your killing 2 beds with one stone.

2. he didn't create anything because he's not there to substantiate his claims. Everything living thing has a beginning and an end. Everything that has being created has a creator who is identifiable. And if your claiming nothing created god, then you have to accept what magicians do. They appear poof, create things that mystify the mind and later on disappear poof. So except your telling me god is a magician, am sorry, your argument is a little weak.

besides all magicians appear physically at first to demonstrate their magic. your god didn't.

one more thing, how do you know he is a "he" with your metaphor "an awesome father"? Have you seen his dick before? how are you sure he isnt bisexual because i know you christians love to rant about "how god made us in his image" so if a bisexual person claims he is also the image of god, that also presupposes that god has got breasts and a dick?

haaaa, he can't force anybody to obey him because there is nobody to obedient towards. I can obey my boss because he's there to force me to obey him and if i dont, he'll sack me.

Another question i'll like to ask god is, what's his favourite sex position, is it doggy??

do you have sex too??

yawning!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sigh! this is getting too boring with all this windups by you muppets!

To be frank, i dont know, that's why i am asking for wise counsel from those who know. I believe in proof and that's all i need until someonelse proves otherwise!

Wow, all these accolades for me! T-wood or whatever your name is and goldman, you guys are too kind. This is a first for me. Am i having a fan club already and your about to be my first stalkers The extent you went to read all about me and investigate, automatically makes you a paparazzi. Am so glad you made me a celeb and i would glady sign an autography on your head.

By the way, ur not important to me and anyone else, so i dont even bother to check whose behind the replies and what they have in their profiles. So if my attitude and lifestyle makes you squirm and choke till your a statistic on this planet, be my guest. i never for once invited you to trade banters with me, but because your too dumb to accept the obvious, you decided to take the challenge and after losing out without defending a faith u so gloriously adore, you now result to antedotes that am too conversant with.

so if you can't prove anything about your god, then pack it and leave this thread. And until you have any teeny weeny shred of evidence, dont come back and expound your crappy, unintelligible, straight in your face bullshit about the bible and what it represents.

p:s: your dumb allusion to oxygen still brings out the stupidity i you. I have told you in case your left ear is missing. I agree oxygen cannot be seen, but it can be manipulated in so many ways so as to provide evidence of it's existence. Stop running away from the question and for once give a credible answer and avoid your irrational hyperventilations

As for goldman, i guess the only way for you to enter heaven is by insulting me at first and later praying for me, haaaaaaa! you must be a freaking clown to believe that if ever there is a heaven at this rate, you wont even be nominated to be a candidate for heaven, but lucky you, you can swear, spit, shout, insult and even shit on god, because nothing is gonna happen to you because heaven doesnt exist. Nice ploy!, go go ahead, say it loud and clear, F*u*c*k you god!, see, am still here, i guess your still there reading this and everybody is going to have a bloody good day cos no thunder strike or tribulation is gonna happen to you!

so bottom line f*u*C*K you and your god and gerrout from my thread

i just need one proof, not 2, just one proof to show he exists and to proof every atheist alive or dead wrong. And no need to resort to insults.

Goldmann:
You ever noticed that infidel rhymes with slowpoke, , When i said u make me sick, i didnt mean u make me ill, I meant your attitude plain disgusts me and makes me want to puke. Is your command of the English language so limited? That said, i would still want you to repent because i wouldnt want you to spend eternity in the fires of HELL. God bless you.

Hmm, "my command of english is so limited! ok let me see, i have got an oxford dictionary here by my side so i'll try and find out the difference between "sick and ill"

SICK, adverb, meaning "unwell"

ILL, adverb, meaning "unwell"

nuff said. guess we now know whose command of english is extremely limited. I guess you stutter in real life and your slow to learning, hence your imbecilic display of a poor mastery of the english language.

Remember to always talk and support your statements with certified authority and not just pull out words from ur ass!

tundewoods:
It's really a pity that Pathetic Losers like Infidel seek attention with thread senseless threads and they achieve their ultimate goal.Which is getting the much desired attention that they desperately need.

I laugh at your ignorance and enjoy your life while you have it.

Losers will always be Losers, and you sure proving that .

I agree am a pathetic loser seeking for attention. Does that equally not make you a more pathetic loser since you fell for my trap and giving me the attention i desperately crave for so as to make a mockery of you? especially someone replying a senseless thread? just goes to show how extremely senseless you are in replying a sensless thread.

I dont know what's wrong with you guys. You come out here and raise insults instead of actually giving me proof to the existence of god and at the end of all the babbling, you end with a mild prayer " any way god bless you" hoping to recieve reprieve from your god that "at least you tried". Any way like your father god, like his sons, (you), since your god created evil, i expect nothingless from his discredited siblings like you to ooze the same amount of evil your god professes 2.

Posted by: @labiyemmy
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lol a bee must have stung mister infidel pretty badly. All these long inchoate treatise just to prove that God doesnt exist?

I don't remember anyone putting a gun to your head to confess what you have stubbornly chosen not to believe, perhaps you might want to try your hands on something more productive than tearing your hair out struggling desperately to justify your unbelief.

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! getting more boring by the hour and making me sleepy

I perused through your shambolic display of a comeback reply and tot to my self, hmmm, should i reply this twaddle? then it occured to me, that you love to expose and contradict yourself and i'll love nothing more than to expose your hyperventilations

I simply chose to humor you with what can be assumed to be a response

psfff, obviously a poor attempt in imitating bill cosby. Your assumed career in comedy is practically over!

You're actually the one who has problems with comprehension. Basic elements of english language should have indicated to you that there was an element of sarcasm in that reply. I definitely believe that GOD exists, that you can't feel His presence is your own spiritual problem and no reason for me to starve myself. If you bothered to notice i left the word "god" in inverted comas.

you have left comedy and tried your hands at sarcasm which still puts u in a state of dilema, have you tried riddles and puzzles? maybe your talent is somewhere there

Oxygen cannot be physically felt, does it mean it does not exist?

but it can be manipulated and trapped in a bottle. can your god be somehow manipulated and trapped, even though we can't see him, there should be some form of way to know he exists, not just through brain teasers and mind games authors of the bible play by using the bible to explain he exists.

You believe you have a spirit, have you seen it? Can it hug you and give you gifts? Does that mean it does not exist?

no i don't believe in spirits and i haven't told you i believe in one or said anything about spirits so far! so your warped introduction of spirits into this argument is dumbfounding and unnecessary.

God DOES speak to those who believe Him and are willing to listen to Him, that you can't listen to Him is none of His business.

hmm, same goes for santa claus that speaks to you, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, elvis presley, hmmm, i understand, the psycho ward would definately love this one! , and your right it aint any of my business if all these things speak to you and you alone, lol

Is the Christian God the only one responsible for tsunamis?

nope, he's not the only one responsible for that alone but let me take you to a quote from your bible and show you were he is also the only one responsible for his atrocities:

"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

nuff said, right from the horses mouth again. isnt this wickedness personified?

Have you asked the muslims why their "god" asks them to kill unbelievers

because only christians decide to take up the challenge. Go and read the title of the thread again and point out where i chose only christians to expose their illogical buffonery. but because i know christians would always react stupidily first, hence my answers to them through their source of authority. No moslem so far has been foolish enough like the christians to react blindly. so let sleeping dogs lie!

Trust me, the illogicality you so glibly talk about is way too apparent in the rebuttals you put up. Not only are they incoherent, they sound like a desperate attempt to justify your unbelief.

but honestly, if a neutral was to come on board now to see my rebuttals so far of your shambolic attempt at a defense, you would definately be accused of embarassing your fellow christians for not giving any congent reason so far to prove gods existence from the biblical point , how sad

lol just one question - you all wish yourselves luck all the time. Does luck really exist? Can you see it? You claim to have hope, does it exist?
You claim to love your girlfriend, have you ever seen love before?

good question. but do you know what all these words have in common, luck, love, hope, faith etc, they are all metaphors to believe in the existence or non existence of a thing which could either be a possibility or a probability or a failure.

so me telling someone good luck, is just a phrase. A meaningless phrase and it depends on the person to prove me right or wrong. So from what you are saying, if hope, faith and love are metaphors and meaningless phrases used to  determine the possibility or probability of an event, then your god who gives you hope and faith, has been filling your head with metaphors that  cannot be easily substantiated because metaphors don't exists. they are just a play on words and you have been totally played out by believing in all this hullabaloo

Surrendering to who? lol simply because i'm not interested in exchanging illogical excuses for arguments does not mean i surrender. Rather i laugh at your irrational hyperventilation over the existence of a God who is probably shaking His head at you right now.
I did not point to muslims as a sign of surrender but rather as a SIGN OF YOUR OWN HYPOCRISY! Atheists like you love to cry about the illogicality of God and YET NONE of you has ever been bold enough to run to muslim sites and tell them Allah does not exist!

Isnt that double speak?

when did nairaland become an "only christian site" , once again, your twaddle amazes me


Rather i laugh at your irrational hyperventilation over the existence of a God [b]who is probably shaking His head at you right now.[/b]

you still have nt  explained to me about god's existence? so am wondering who's doing the head shaking now


besides what do you mean by " who is probably", please check the meaning of the word probably in any dictionary of your choice and get back to me asap!!, Me thinks a major doubt is finally creeping in

As for the moslem topic, i have already dealt with that, scroll up if you missed it

Where is the proof that love, hate, hope, luck,, despair exists? Please provide valid scientific proof!
Sure your title reads "10 reasons why God. . . ." but it is more than obvious that your cowardly target is the christian God. Where are the quranic verses to show that allah does not exist? Afraid of the islamic sword of peace?

scroll up again if you missed it twice in one sitting your getting repititive and it shows a sign of desperation on your part! your finally analysis is a shame on constructive debates. Equating xenophobic tendencies in an issue that has to do with the existence of god, really shows your shallow minded in handling things. 

@labiyemmy

your really getting dafter by the minute and honestly i blame myself for actually taking you serious, so you no longer believe in your biblical god and your now campaigning for juju god, lol, haaaaa, atheist sure love taking the mickey outta ppl like you

"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

since everybody is posting more than one favorite bible verse, i think i'll try and beat their record. I got loads of my precious favorite bible verses to share with you :

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

the winning verse just has to be:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
—Isaiah 45:7

nuff said

wow! so many replies while i was gone. some inspirational, some plain dumb and some ppl entangling themselves in queries. Well for the brief time i have to deal with your seeming irrationalities, i'll kindly oblidge your requests:

@alter ego

Nah dear, read the posts from T_Wood (who happens to be my alter ego lol), never once did i try to correct your error that God does exist. That woould be a huge waste of time, since you have concluded that God does not exist i prefer to leave you to wallow in spiritual darkness and ignorance. I would not bother to quote bible verses to prove the obvious except to one who is blind, deaf and dumb.

so why did you even think of replying when you had nothing to offer. You made no point here really disappointed in you. I was actually getting fond of you with your replies. Huge disappointment

Go ahead dear, i agree with you that your idea of "god" does not exist. Why would i want to burst your irrational bubble

you agree with me and you still see it as irrational? how do you explain such play on words? could you expaniate further? cos am having a hard time understanding that line

Since you think that a God who is good must be able to destroy all evil i wonder why your father, who should be a good man, is capable of both buying you a present on your birthday and at the same time spank you when you go wrong. Ah well by your own warped logic, it must be that your father does not exist. Excellente!

emm!!! i think your on the wrong radio frequency here, because your comparisons with my father and god is way too illogical to compare.

ok ! since you asked for it, i'll tease you some more:

i agree, my father spanked me and later bought me a present. he must be both evil and good. but i can ask my father, why did you spank me and still give me a present and he replies, " i dont hate you son, am only trying to make sure you grow up to be a responsible man " We both hug and nuff said. ( bottom line he's present physically to be able to defend my accusations against him as an evil man!) so this negates your argument about my father not existing. Besides spanking is not that evil, trust me creating a tsunami is extremely evil and only your god can create such malicious mayhem and he's so dumb that he can't even reply to the simplest of accusations to show that he exists and he's evil.

talking about presents from your god, what did he give you today? my father bought me a new corvette and am loving it. What did your "daddy dearest give you", ahhh! hope, faith and love, haaaaaa! but i can't see hope or do you mean he gave you bob hope or faith evans or gjennifer love hewitt? If that's what he gave you, then am extremely
jealous and i renounce all i have said,

I have but one puzzle that you may wish to clear up for me. Why are atheists so tied up in knots about proving the non-existence of the christian God? Is anyone going to hassle the muslims and tell them allah does not exist? Or is it perhaps for fear of the fact that an attempt to do that would be simply saying goodbye to everything above your neck?

Is this a tactical way of surrendering? why are christian theologians so cowardly and when they lose a battle, they point to the muslims. Ok let me give you a fair answer. I think muslims are way too intelligent to engage in banters that have to do with their religion and it's because of their stoic silence, you christian marauders continue to taunt them hence, the muslims chopping off your necks for your insolence. Theologians always like to brag about the bible and whenever some one points out their fallacies in what they believe in, they always resort to innuendoes, insults and illogical reasons to prove they are cowards.

by the way if you didnt read the title of the post, it reads  " 10 Reasons Why God Doesn't Exist Today, Tomorrow And 4ever" it doesnt read 10 Reasons Why the christian God Doesn't Exist Today, Tomorrow And 4ever. but i was so sure that the first set of people to read and respond to the posts would be christians and voila! am proved right again by only christians responding to the thread.  , i hope you now see how atheist work! We believe in proof, proof and proof and not illogical reason

@Infidel

You are only exposing yourself as a fool and nothing but a fool.

still ignoring your posts, nuff said

Posted by: chiegemba  

Quote from: Infidel on Today at 02:14:00 AM
But your god is evil. that negates what you just said he stands for. he created evil. i didnt say it, he did

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7 , there you have it




@ Infidel; I actually never came 2 argue with u about my God in d 1st place, i just said i would remember u in my prayers etc. I even c that u can quote d bible verses more than mei need 2 know my bible well, thanks 4 d wake up call .If u really spend enough  time readin d bible and quotin so many verses which i c u doin just 2 justify your notion about d non exsitence of "God" I already c that my God is about 2 make good use of you to spread his gospel in life all that is required is just "Time".
Anyways i would leave you to keep battlin with your inner man your thoughts / conscience majorly cause i believe u created this topic in other 2 put your conscience @ rest but i actually don't think that would happen any time soon cause the more u go read the bible to use it against people's replies d more d truth is being revealed to u and like i said with time God would use you to evangelize his works  
So wish u well in your search 4 God cause he would truly meet u @ d point of your needs since u have decided desperately 2 find out more about him  

*I would leave u with this*** "MY HEAVENLY FATHER WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS AND HIS WORKS, ACTS AND DEEDS R INCOMPREHENDABLE TO HUMANSwhich unfortunately u happen 2 b 1  So God luck 2 u in search of God. Cause he would surely meet u @ d point of your needs  




Dis is actually d last u would hear from me replyin your posts because i know u would definitely go research more about my "God"so would leave you to keep doin that as long as your thread lasts "Peace"     1 love brothergoes both ways either you're male/ female 1 love

sorry if i sounded harsh earlier on, i tot u and that tweety brain labiyemmy were on my case. i'll try to be milder in my approach again.

Infidel,
Am so happy that you are giving your best to what you believe in. That paints an illustration that you are very loyal to your believe. Now i want us on a more serious note to talk like people who are reasonable. There is no point arguing or throwing abuses. I have a question for you Infidel, : Can you please explain to us how you came to this world and how the person you came through joined the race of life also? Please tell us how your Great grand fathers came in to the world that is if you were alife. Please also lets us know if your way of thinking is as a result of your menthors touch on you or you have the personal drive from the day you came out of your mums birth canal of course i know you won't even know anything about life then. Now this issue is a very small issue to tackle we will get to the root of it. if you so wish. Thanks

well olakunle j, you struck the nail on the head there. I dont know, you dont know, we dont know. We all come up with various theories that ends up being entangled in knots. so what you dont know , you dont preach.

I know you are expecting me to talk within the scientific realm of how man evolved but that's also bullshit and i have dealt with scientists on that matter. Recently christians began to tease me for being an atheist and threatened fire and brimstone on me for lack of believing in their god , hence my post for challenging them back and using their own bible as a source of their contradictions. I dont profess what i dont know and if you think you know, come out with a water tight iron clad reason and argument be it science or those that believe in the creationist theory.  the post was a mug shot at a guy i met in another forum who rained all the abuses on this world on me for being an atheist and i traced him to naira land and sent him a mail to challenge me on the topic. I have been expecting the coward ever since and knowing that other christians would love to help a brother out, i just waited and they keep on proving me right.

Using this medium to call out "christiankid" i am still waiting for your sorry defense to my topic

sorry olakunle for using your reply post to call out that piece of shit to crawl out of his whole and defend the unthinkable

Posted by: cgift  

I am sure he will tell you that his forefathrs evolved from apes

where do all this idiots come from? they keep showing up on the footstep of my door. Me thinks it's that daffy duck labiyemmy using another screen name to expose his idiocy more  

only apes? I bet he will tell you he doesnt know how he got here - so he doesnt exist.

well your dead right i dont know how i got here, but i exist because your replying my posts dummy. But i keep on asking you, since you say god exists, prove it!

Posted by: Goldmann  
As much as u make me sick by hating your creator so viciously, i honestly don't want this for you, Take care of yourself,God bless you

Did i read correctly? you actually think i made you sick does that make me have some super powers that i can use to manipulate you? if yes, am i the creator? Yikes! am god!!!! arghhhhh! and all this while you knew and didn't tell me? i hate you so much and with the evil powers i created, lol, i smite thee down

Posted by: sexybid  

one needs not to argue or batter words with infidel, remember it is written in the bible that we should desist from[b] vain arguments[/b]. what we should pray for is the holyspirit to reveal himself to her like what happened to Saul of Tarmars who we now call Paul.

vain arguments? i showed you the fallacies of your bible in genesis 1 &2, how vain is that. or correct me if am wrong, if the contradictions in those verses were written by your god, then, it,s illogical and what is illogical , has no reasoning and what doesn't have a reason doesn't exist. so in short the vain argument makes a 360 u turn back to what you are actually fighting against. The bible is the vain argument, finito

Infidel my dear, never mind i believe several questions would have gone through your mind about your existence. do me a favour go through the history of mankind in the Bible and also the scientifical explanation for mankind's evolution u will find out there is a gap.

when u do what i have just said i want u to share your discovery with me. i believe God has a something in store for YOU. STAY BLESSED

hmm, you want me to show you the buffonery in both interpretations of the theory of the existence of the world and god, ok, i hope your ready to ready and please note, there is no gap between them. it's just a plain
scam to play tricks on your mind from both camps, here we go!

Creationists have railed for years against scientific knowledge that seems to contradict their version of events. For example, creationists have fought for years against the theory of evolution, even though it provides some of the strongest evidence IN FAVOR of the existence of God. scientists rely heavily on science and berate creationists as being “unscientific”, “engaging in fantasy” and postulating about answers that are “impossible to prove empirically”. Never mind that their precious science suffers from the EXACT same fatal flaws.

So let’s take a look at three of the main sources of debate between creationists and scientists, the origin of the universe, the nature of the universe and the origin of life.

Let’s start with the origin of the universe. The creationists believe that “POOF! God created the universe”. ‘Nuff said. scientists rely on science to explain the origin of the universe. The scientific explanation for the origin of the universe is POOF! the “Big Bang” created the universe.

Now, to be clear, the “Big Bang” theory states that all of the matter and energy in the universe was contained within a more or less infinitely dense “singularity”. During this earliest time, 13.7 billion years ago, from between zero to 10-43 seconds, elementary particles did not exist and gravity, electromagnetism, and nuclear forces were all unified as a single force. This singularity then began to rapidly expand and cool. In fact, current scientific theories state that this singularity initially expanded at a rate faster than the speed of light. Incidentally, this means that the universe is actually bigger than we can possibly observe. Fun, huh?

So let’s look objectively at both of these theories. The first one forces me to believe in some kind of supernatural “thing” that created the universe. The second forces me to believe in a physically paradoxical “singularity” that essentially breaks every known law known to man and woman. Why is one “better” than the other? I cannot observe either one and they both point to a single, fantastic being or thing; one “God” and the other a “singularity”, that does not follow any of the rules.

But there is another problem with the “scientific” version of the creation of the universe. That problem has a name, it is called the “First Law of Thermodynamics”. In layman’s terms, this law states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. So, where did the matter and energy that formed this singularity come from? Perhaps there was a bigger bang before the Big Bang? We could call it the “Bigger Bang” theory and could say that this “Bigger Bang” created all of the matter and energy that formed the singularity of the “Big Bang”. Except, we would then have to have an “Even Bigger Bang” theory to create the matter and energy for the “Bigger Bang”. Damn.

So on to the nature of the universe. Creationists say that the universe follows “God’s law” and was created with life and, particularly; us humans, in mind. Simple enough. scientists, again, fall back on what science say. Can’t these guys think for themselves? Anyway, prevailing scientific theory is pretty much general disagreement about the nature of the universe. And to scientists, the nature of the universe is explained by one’s interpretation of quantum mechanics. The most popular interpretation is called the “Copenhagen Interpretation”. The next most popular is the “Many-Worlds Interpretation” (MWI) and then there are a whole host of others like “Consistent Histories”, “Transactional Interpretation”, “Consciousness Causes Collapse” and the “Bohm Interpretation”. Essentially, all of these theories suffer from one or more problems. For instance, depending upon which theory you choose, you have to abandon determinism, locality, causality, realism, relativity or some other “ism” or “ity”. Alternatively you can believe that there are an infinite number of unseen and undetectable parallel universes.


So now on to the creation of life. And again, creationists believe that God said “Let there be life!” and there was. Mind you, he didn’t say, “Hmmm, let’s liven this place up.” or “Let there be some life all up’n here!”, he actually stated, out loud and in English no less, “Let there be life!”. Then, and only then, was there any. Atheists yet again fall back on scientists to explain the origin of life. And scientific explanations regarding the origin of life make quantum mechanics interpretations look good by comparison. Basically, to believe in a scientific explanation for the origin of life, one might as well believe in alchemy or “spontaneous combustion”.

Other than the obvious host of assumptions that you have to wade through to make that little trip I have always had one big problem with scientific explanations for the origin of life. And that big problem is the apparent uniqueness of the event. Why, if the Earth is apparently the greatest vehicle ever created to host life (4 billion year track record and still going strong) and if the creation of life can just occur “spontaneously” through basic chemical and other physical processes, then why isn’t life being created all the time? I mean, what was unique about the Earth in the past that is different than today? Why would life be able to exist on the Earth today but not be conducive to the formation of new life? If life was spontaneously created on the Earth through chemical and physical processes in the past, then it should still be being created today by those same chemical and physical processes.

so you see my friend , there is a gap between the minds of the 2 postulators of the theory of god and the universe and neither one of them is imaginably believable. Now that i have shared my discovery with you, i do hope you can come back with more explanations why there is a gap in the bible as it relates to the existence of god  

haaaaaaaaaa! i havent heard so much jibberish in my entire life. Was it because i said you were unintelligent, you now decided to prove absolutely balderdash crap?

ok let's take it step by step:

There is no proof that God exists.

So what is the essence of your argument when you just validated all i have been saying, duhhhhhh!

In order to state that there is no proof for God's existence, the atheist would have to know all alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence. But, since he cannot know all things, he cannot logically state there is no proof for God's existence.

Excuse me! but y'all the ones going around telling people that god exists and am asking how?? and your still not giving me a congent answer, double duhhhhhhh!

At best, an atheist can only state that of all the alleged proofs he has seen thus far, none have worked. He could even say that he believes there are no proofs for God's existence. But then, this means that there is the possibility that there is a proof or proofs out there and that he simply has not yet encountered one

and your point being you just contradicted yourself. If i haven't encountered a proof of the existence of something, how i my supposed to believe it exists?, am getting tired of using the duh factor for you, i'll guess i have to borrow fela's song "foolish" for you , because your absolutely not making any sense so far!

Nevertheless, if there was a proof that truly did prove God's existence, would the atheist be able to accept it given that his presuppositions are in opposition to the existence of God? In other words, given that the atheist has a presuppositional base that there is no God, in order for him to accept a proof for God's existence, he would have to change his presuppositional base. This is not easy to do and would involve a major paradigm shift in the belief structure of the atheist. Therefore, an atheist is presuppositionally hostile to any proofs for God's existence and is less likely to be objective about such attempted proofs

how do you know? I asked you to prove god exists and you dont give me any answer and now your saying " This is not easy to do and would involve a major paradigm shift in the belief structure of the atheist. Therefore, an atheist is presuppositionally hostile to any proofs for God's existence and is less likely to be objective about such attempted proofs"

Being judgemental is the hall mark of christians. Am not suprised. Once again, you lack any reasonable point. E.g do you have water

ans: yes, this is it

What major paradigm is going to occur? Your arguments are getting dafter by the minute

If everything needs a creator, then who or what created God?


This question is logically problematic

So why bother to prove something that sounds absurd and illogical, sound logical. My friend, i hope your not a lawyer, because, this is a slam dunk for the defence. You keep on providing ammunitions to self destruct your self

But then, who created the creator and so on? Logically, this would mean there would be an infinite regression of creators and we would never be able to find the first, uncaused cause since, by definition (the questions says that "everything needs a creator" there wouldn't be any uncaused cause. This would mean that the sequence of creations is eternal. But, if it exists that there is an eternal regression of creators, then who created the infinite regression of creators? Remember, the question presupposes that all things need a creator -- even the eternal sequence of creators -- which becomes logically absurd. Furthermore, if there is an eternal regression of creators that are eternal, then the question is not answered. In fact, it cannot be answered since it weakness is that "all things need a creator." Of course, this only begs the question in that how did the process begin? Therefore, the question only raises the same problem it asks and it is a question that, by its own design, cannot be answered. Therefore, it is invalid.

pure jibberish, your not making any sense. could you be more specific next time you decide to punish your keyboard with your hullabaloo?

The question is better phrased as a statement: "Everything that has come into existence, was brought into existence by something else." This is a more logical statement and is not wrought with the difficulties of the initial question. In the revised statement "Everything that has come into existence," implies that the thing that "has come into existence" did not already exist. If it did not already exist but then came into existence, then something had to bring it into existence because something that does not exist cannot bring itself into existence (a logical absolute). This pushes the regression of creators back to what we would call the theoretical "uncaused cause" since there cannot be an infinite regression of creators as discussed above and since in infinite number of creators would mean there was an infinite number of creations and created things including things that cannot be destroyed since they would constitute things that exist. If that is so, then the universe would have had an infinite number of created things in it and it would be full. But it is not full. Therefore, there has not been an infinite regression of creations.

I have choisen to ignore your windy post here, am sleeping off here, no sense at all. you keep on beating around the bush and contradicting yourself, infinite regression of creators my foot!

By definition, the Christian God never came into existence; that is, He is the uncaused cause (Psalm 90:2). He was always in existence and He is the one who created space, time, and matter. This means that the Christian God is the uncaused cause and is the ultimate creator. This eliminates the infinite regression problem

Now here's something worth laughing at. " He is the uncaused cause ". Can you hear your self repeating such nonsense over and over again? Let me help you out, He is the uncaused cause , He is the uncaused cause ,He is the uncaused cause ,He is the uncaused cause ,He is the uncaused cause ,He is the uncaused cause ,He is the uncaused cause ,He is the uncaused cause .haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! does that sound logical to you in your own head, uncaused cause What would you theologians come up with next, because i gotta admit this is a first. I think i'll use it for my boss at work 2 day, boss, i know your the uncaused cause, because your just uncaused, haaaaaaaaa! You this man go and sleep and stop insulting my intelligence even though it shows you dont have one.

But some may ask, "But who created God?" But the answer is that by definition He is not created; He is eternal. He is the One who brought time, space, and matter into existence. Since the concept of causality deals with space, time, and matter, and since God is one who brought space, time, and matter into existence, the concept of causality does not apply to God since it is something related to the reality of space, time, and matter. Since God is before space, time, and matter, the issue of causality does not apply to Him

your really losing it to be honest with you. He's eternal and nobody knows where he is or what he is or what he looks like , but he is the one who brought space and time. Ok support your argument with authority trust me my friend, there is nothing like eternal. It's a figment of your imagination. Every living thing dies and since you claim your god is a living god, he must have died way back. so pack it and stop forcing me to scold you with your blissful ignorance and contradictions. Am not going to reply to anything you post again. Your giving me a headache with all your crap. 3 times you came to defend a non existent thing, 3 times you gawked it. Boy your outta wishes from me, tata

@labiyemmy:
whatever you call yourself.

You have only exposed your doubts and your doubts are not enough proof that our dear loving God doesnt exist

You can die with your doubts - who cares - and leave us to die with our gullible ignorant un - intelligent beleive that God exists.

Its not left to me to want to prove it - so if u have doubts - keep it to yourself - or even - do something else more worth while with your doubts not by coming on Naialand - form a church or something - or form a sect or a movement. Its not today that people have doubted the exisitence or otherwise of God.

So - good luck.

GGGGOOOOOOOOOOOODD LLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKKKK MR ATHEIST.

I think you got your name right - Infidel.

Once again, you proved me right. your desperation is pathetic and your no longer hanging to straws. your just floating in limbo armed with your stupidity. You come on this thread, have nothing concrete to say or counter argue, expose your buffoonery and sign out without even a whimper of a fight. What a loser. I was even thinking you went to call your fellow brethrens to save you from this shame of lack of intelligence and you have the nerve to come back and drop some dumb unintelligible lines. Well i can't blame you, the bible did this to you, so you gotta stick with its level of ignorance! How sad

T_Woods:
I have only 3 comments based on this:

1. First you say God does not exist next you attribute good and evil to Him. What is your position? It is either you believe God does not exist or that He is evil. You can't play around with semantics just to desperately prove your nebulous assertions.

2. If truly God does not exist how then can you quote the bible and attribute the words to a deity that does not exist?

3. Your father can discipline you when you do wrong, does that mean he is evil?

Ok T-wOOD, This is how it works:

I say god doesn't exist

you say he exists

I say prove that he exists

you say "no he exists and you , refer me to genesis 1, In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from Godb swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day, blah blah blah"


and i say major bullshit, there is a contradiction in your bible about how your god created the world , check out genesis 2

and you look all stumped and dumbfounded that your authors of your bible have embarrassingly entangled you in a loop hole that you can't escape from.

and in the process of leaving you to wallow in your state of confusion about genesis 1&2 which you hurriedly brought up to convince me, i take further pot shots at you: e.g:

Since your god is the author of everything.
Evil is something.
Therefore God is the author of evil.

you go all nuts and try to make me correlate my position in trying to cojoin the existence of god to evil, and i play further tricks with your mind and the bible ( since y'all christian theologians use it as your first point of reference to contradict atheists):

since your god made everything perfect.
Imperfection cannot come from perfection.
Therefore perfectly created beings cannot be the origin of evil.
Therefore God must be the origin

Right now your going ballistic and trying your possible best to prove that your god isn't evil but he is a good god.

and i take further mug shots at your god for claiming his existence also leads to the perfection in which he made things:

If your god is all good, He would destroy evil.
If your god is all-powerful, He could destroy evil.
But evil is not destroyed.
Hence, there is no such God.

At this junction, your asking me to give you an authority from where i am backing my claims and i look no further to your own bible that you and other theologians wave in my face to prove the existence of your god by showing you what your god said with his own mouth

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7

And in the mist of your fuzziness about what your god said, i help you complete a preposition, linking all the afforemention hypothesis:

If your god is perfectly loving, He must wish to abolish evil
If He is all powerful, He must be able to abolish evil
But evil exists ( he created it)
The problem is, if you affirm two of these facts, you cannot affirm the third.
Therefore, an all powerful, loving God does not exist.

Now tell me how i used nebolous semantics to prove my point? next time you want to claim something exists or is physically present, dont wave something that contradicts it's self to prove a silly point. kabish!

If truly God does not exist how then can you quote the bible and attribute the words to a deity that does not exist?

Simple, what you use to defend your weak argument, i'll help you use the same thing to point out your fallacies. It's better for you to just keep mum than support your argument with an authority and you expect me not to use that same authority to contradict your "nebulous semantics"

Your father can discipline you when you do wrong, does that mean he is evil?

The silliest post i have seen all day what has discipline got to do with evil? and if you want to even compare it, then i'll tell you, my father beats me all day. I hate the scrummy bastard for that. He's a fucking bad man. I hate him, hate him, hate him!

But your god now that's the defination of evil. my father can't cause flood, earthquakes, tornados or tsunami's to kill thousands daily. Now if you believe in your god existing then you gotta give it to him, he's the most callous and sadistic let me spare you the horror of finishing my quotes

so bottom line, if your god exists, he's evil and the evil is so intense that associating such evil with creation by a good and all-powerful God is unthinkable.

But your god is evil. that negates what you just said he stands for. he created evil. i didnt say it, he did

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7 , there you have it

what's wrong with all of you? Either you'll pray 4 me or i'll rot in hell and no one can still tell me where am gonna rot? In your magical fire burning, place of horror? please i saw that last year in madame tussaude in the horror chambers. That's the closet you'll get 2 hell  the burden of proof is in your court to show he exists but knowing y'all, it's better to dodge the bullet than take the glory

Ok - u have disproved it - what is your own proof of how we got here and how the earth got into existence?

Even the scientists that says the earth came out of nowhere - big bang or something - they have nothing to prove this or does something, like you argued, just come out of nowhere? its good to discredit, but without putting up a counter argument, then u have not made a point.

Did i mention anything about the scientific theory of how we got here?

In case you didn't read the first line i posted, it states " but who created God? Definately, a creator must point to the things and raw materials he used to create his work"

What you obviously missed in that line was if god created man, who now created god? It was a question meant for you to contradict which you obviously have no answer and you rant all day about the big bang or something. The line doesn't provide for a counter argument when you haven't even profered a single argument in favour or against it .

There is death - because people die - have u seen death? There is air - have u seen air? why do people die? do u have a reason to beleive u will never die because u don't know why people die?

See how you are negating your own shallow argument with feeble excuses.

1. There is death - because people die - have u seen death ( What other proof do i need anymore when some one has died? Isn't he there for all and sundry to see physically that he is no longer breathing and is lifeless). What has the metaphor "death" got to do with the existence of god? Methinks you have been watching too many harry porter movies and visualizing death to be a hooded skull faced sceptre carrying lifeless being Grow up mate and start watching matured cable programming instead of wallowing in your childish dreams and fairy tales.

2. There is air - have u seen air? ( Nope! your dead right, i can't see air but  physically You can however trap and contain air so that it seems more real, and you can manipulate it. Bottles, balloons, balls, our lungs, and plastic bags can all be used to collect air. Fans, vacuum cleaners, hair dryers, and people can blow air. You can feel air by running or standing in the wind. You can test the effect of blowing wind by putting things in the wind.) Now how can i feel god or manipulate him like air physically? At least 1/2 is better than 0-2

3. why do people die? do u have a reason to beleive u will never die because u don't know why people die? ( people die due to affliction of diseases, murder, accidents, drug over dose, lack of food and a host of other things which i assume your well conversant about ( or i may be wrong to think your that intellectual )

b. Nope i don't have a reason to believe that i wont die because i see people die everyday and either they are afflicted by an ailment or die in their sleep or old age as a result of degenerating cells. Bottom line i see physically, so i don't have to be a pessimist when i can see and observe. ( In case you don't believe people die, watch your late night news tonight and probably see a footage of someone dying or " has died" That's even if you have got a telly

If God can prevent evil, but doesn't, then He isn't all-loving.


This doesnt show us there is no God.

If God intends to prevent evil, but cannot, then He isn't omnipotent.


Same as above - this doesnt prove there is no God.



If God both intends to prevent evil and is capable of doing so, then how can evil exist?

Still doesnt prove there is no God - u have questions and because u don't have answers doesnt make it a point that there is no God.

ok, let me show you how it relates to god's existence

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7 , there you have it

According to you theologians, god created light and darkness, so therefore, he exists right? Since he is the creator, he also created evil. Now how can something you call the lord and say he is so loving and good create evil? I didn't say it but your all existing god said it, it's right there in black and white —Isaiah 45:7  "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things". There you have it. Right from the horses mouth.

This presents an impossible task of explaining how so much evil and suffering could exist in a cosmos overseen by an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good deity.

Of course, the story does not end there. The translators of many modern Bible editions, aware of the unsettling implications this verse holds for their faith, have attempted to soften the blow by translating it in a more palatable way. The New International Version, for example, has this passage say that God creates "disaster", while the English Standard Version has it as "calamity", and the Revised Standard Version says "woe". The Message translation creatively renders this verse as "I make harmonies and create discords".

Although these alternate translations wouldn't seem to solve much, they are still not as faithful to the original Hebrew than the KJV's unflinching translation. The Hebrew word translated by the KJV writers as "evil" in Isaiah 45:7 is "ra", and from textual evidence, it is clear that in the Bible this word does mean evil in a moral sense. Here are some of the other contexts in which it is used:

In Genesis 2:17, God instructs Adam and Eve not to eat from "the tree of good and ra". The tree of good and disaster? The tree of good and calamity? Clearly not: it is the tree of good and evil.
In Genesis 6:5, God resolves to destroy humankind in the great flood because "the wickedness (ra) of man was great in the earth".
In Genesis 13:13, the men of Sodom were "wicked (ra) and sinners before the Lord exceedingly".
In Deuteronomy 1:35, a furious God threatens the Israelites, "Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil (ra) generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers."
In Judges 2:11, "the children of Israel did evil (ra) in the sight of the Lord, and served Baalim".
In 1 Kings 16:30, the wicked king Ahab (husband of the infamous Jezebel) "did evil (ra) in the sight of the Lord above all that were before him".
These and many other references make it clear that the primary meaning of ra is indeed evil in the sense of wickedness or sin. For believers who hold to the textual inerrancy of the Bible, therefore, there is no choice but to admit that God created evil. And in a way, this makes a great deal of sense. If an all-powerful, all-knowing god created everything, what other explanation for evil could there be, other than that he caused it?

Even the Bible's theology bears this out. The text offers numerous occasions where God could have intervened to turn events to good and chose not to. He could, for example, have obliterated Satan and the rebel angels entirely, or at the very least confined them to Hell and not allowed them to escape, so that they could never have escaped to lead humanity into temptation. And God's behavior in the whole Eden affair, in any case, smacks strongly of either extreme incompetence or deliberate malice - not least, his choice to transmit the curse of original sin to all subsequent generations rather than letting every human start off with a morally clean slate.

Bottomline nothing that claims to be so powerful, ominipotent, omipresent and all the crappy titles you give to it can exist so as to create such blatant evil except if you tell me god is abacha or hitler, then this argument is over

Y'all talking about a heaven and hell, but nobody has been there to confirm it's authenticity; besides am not scared of hell. I'll rather be more scared of Mushin and Oshodi


Still - this is not a point to prove that God doesnt exist - this is just a doubt on your mind - the same way - if u are asked three plus four when u were young and someone who knows better tells u the answer is seven, and u don't know why it is seven, it doesnt mean that that person is wrong, it only proves u are ignorant.

Ignorant?? please gimme a break. The theory of heaven and hell is one of the most unintelligible crafted statements ever posed by man or should i say your "existing god"

According to you, god exists right? and he created heaven right? ok i'll show you that the concept of Heaven is neither clear nor unproblematic. There are three serious problems with the notion of Heaven. First, the concept of Heaven lacks coherence. Second, it is doubtful that you can reconcile the heavenly character of Heaven with standard defenses against the Argument from Evil such as the Free Will Defense. Third, Heaven is unfair and, thus, it is in conflict with the goodness of God.

The doctrine of Heaven has at least three variants. In the most common variant the immaterial soul of a human being--not the body--goes to Heaven shortly after his or her death. In this variant Heaven is considered "a place" but not in time and space. In the second variant, the body of a dead person is resurrected shortly after death in an altered form in some different space--a space that is completely unconnected to the space in which human beings now live--and is rewarded in that space. In a third variant--one that many scholars believe is the original Christian view--Heaven does not exist now but will exist in the future with the Second Coming. With the Second Coming people's bodies will be resurrected in an altered form but will be rewarded in the space in which we now live.

All three variants of the doctrine of Heaven have deep conceptual problems that affect their intelligibility. I'll deal with the first variant for lack of time on my part. Take the immaterial soul variant. It is difficult enough to imagine even in a rough way what disembodied existence would be like in time and space. How would a soul move from place to place? How would it recognize other souls? What would disembodied souls do all day long since presumably there would be no need to sleep? The problem becomes insuperable when it is combined with idea that Heaven is outside of space and time. All of our mental concepts--for instance, thinking, willing, desiring--are temporal notions that take time to perform and take place at some particular time. Nontemporal thinking and desiring are inconceivable. Yet on this variant, souls think and desire nontemporally.

The two resurrected body variants are perhaps initially less problematic than the immaterial soul variant but they have conceptual difficulties of their own. There are two conceptual problems with the notion that when people die their bodies are immediately resurrected (although in an altered form) in a different space--a space completely separated from our space that is in principle impossible to travel to from our space. It is difficult to make sense of the idea of such a space. On the one hand, how can there be two separated physical spaces, spaces in principle unconnected by space travel. On the other hand, if the space inhabited by the resurrected bodies is not physical space, what kind of space is it? Second, why should we suppose that the body in this different space is that of the body of the same person who recently died in our space rather than a replica of this person. Suppose a certain john doe dies and his body--let us call this body B1--is buried. Suppose too that another body B2 is resurrected in a different space. What grounds are there for believing that B2 is john doe rather than a replica of him? However, unless we have good reason for thinking that B2 is john doe rather a replica of john doeb we have no reason in this variant for thinking that Heaven is a reward for our earthly life.

Consider the variant that Heaven does not exist now but will exist in the future when people's bodies are resurrected in altered form but in space as we know it. Here we do not have the problems associated with the second variant: Heaven is in our physical space and there is only one body for each deceased person. But still there are difficulties. Bodies that are buried decay and the atoms that constitute them might become dispersed. Indeed, some of these atoms might eventually become parts of bodies of people who are now living. And much the same thing is true of bodies that are cremated.

Why should one suppose that the rotting or cremated bodies are the replicas and not the bodies that are preserved? Further, where are the preserved bodies stored? If it is held that they are stored on some distant planet or in a different space from ours, problems immediately arise. The latter possibility introduces the problem facing the second variant. The former suggestion, moreover, leaves open the possibility of future empirical verification, in that space exploration could in principle find the planet where God stores the preserved bodies,

Once again bottom line, since heaven doesn't exist and god supposedly created heaven, then god doesn't exist because there is no such thing as heaven. and let's not bother to talk about hell. Since the one you all crave for when you die doesn't exist, hell is a no go area for discussion. Now tell me whose the ignorant one by dispelling this notion of how people go to heaven

Go to Israel - just shows u are realy ignorant.

Haaaaa! very foolish talk. It's not only isreal, you would have said zimbabwe to at least show some sense of constructive fallacy.

Someone wrote the Creation story in the Bible. That someone obviously wasn’t an eyewitness to the described events because they are completely unbelievable (and I think there are two very different Creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2). Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

How does that prove that Go doesnt exist?

I have already dealt with that, scroll up and check the fallacies in bible as it relates to genesis 1 &2 that deals with his introduction into the world. 'Nough said!

A tsunami hit louisiana and new orleans and part of texas. The tsunami destroyed plenty churches. so if God exists, he created the tsunami. For creating the tsunami, god must be very mean and wicked to destroy churches and kill people praying to him, so Therefore, God doesn’t exist because according to you and the bible, god is a kind god . So who created the tsunami then?


Still a foolish way of summing up an argument.

—Isaiah 45:7 god said he's evil remember and no body is that evil to cause the kind of wanton destruction and widespread evil in man. Except you tell me god is evil, then i'll accept that he exists. but i know you wont, so pack it!

More rubbish - out of ten points - not a single one is a point but doubts in his mind.

Haaaaa! very weak summary, very unintelligible response and most importantly a wasted attempt at proving nothing or should i say lack of attempt . Stop hanging onto straw and be less gullible in life


@ dtw_sola

Thanks for your observation. Ii might change the title to this in a not too distant future. Am leaving it for now, since christian theologians are always the first to defend it. So it gives me more time to point out their idiocy. Thanks once again

Backslider:
Then why are you afraid to die?

Who said anything about me being afraid of dying?? Maybe you read the wrong post or i'll have to assume you have a reading problem!

Backslider:
The Bible says " The Fool says in his heart there is no God"

Woe Unto him to that Despiseth his maker

Another typical christian that can't defend his belief in the existence of something phoney and unbelievable, instead you resort to insults. I am used to your shallow minded excuses and frankly speaking you bore me out with such desperations. Your clinging to straws my friend, wake up and realise your the one the bible has been taking for a ride.
You better join the club quickly, besides your name says it all! Why bother to reply you. I know your a closet atheist, so dont be afraid to come out of your shell. Nobody is gonna bite ya! and more especially, when you die, you die, end of story

kaecy5:
your name reflects your thought

"he thats says there is no God is an INFIDEL"

Quick lesson on the meaning of the word infidel. The webster dictionary defines infidel as:

"one who is not a christian and opposes christianity"

"an unbeliever in respect to particular religion"

How does that word "infidel" affect the matter at hand about the existence of God? What has christianity got to do with the bullshit of lying that god exists? Besides what god are you talking about? Orisha, buddah, allah? If you can't prove anything concrete then keep your hypocricy to your self. Proving god exists, is different from opposing christianity. Christianity is not the only religion that promotes that fallacy of the existence of god. If i choose to worship my television, it means television is the religion i believe in, but i never did say anything about the television being my creator, and once you don't believe in my religion television, it also makes you an infidel too

So dont jump into conclusions and link being an infidel with the fallacy your promoting that god exists

MP007:
http://www.visualbible.co.uk/lazarus-phenomenon.htm

May the lord have mercy on your soul,

once again, speaking in rings and dodging the question. What is a soul? and more especially what lord? or do you mean my landlord? Damn i forgot am 4 weeks behind my rent. Thanks for reminding me

layi:
The existence of GOD and The Credibility of The Bible are 2 different topics.

Aren't they both interelated? Have you forgotten your genesis 1 & 2 so quickly? If so, a quick refresher course:

Creation is described in Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 as occurring in six "days":

Day 1: creation of light and its separation from darkness.
Day 2: separation of the sky and oceans.
Day 3: separation of land from the oceans; spreading of plants and grass and trees across the land.
Day 4: Creation of the sun, moon, and stars.
Day 5: Creation of sea animals and birds.
Day 6: Creation of the land animals. Creation of humanity, "someone like ourselves" (Living Bible).
Day 7: God rested. Followers of the Documentary Hypothesis believe this to have been a later addition, 4 placed there to give theological justification for the Sabbath (Saturday as a day of rest).

This sequence does contain some illogal arguments from the bible
Light was listed as being created on day 1, but its source (the sun and stars) did not appear until day 4.


Genesis 1 and 2 explain how Creation of Earth's life forms, the Earth itself, and the rest of the universe took six days. Supporters of the theory of evolution find evidence for a universe that has been evolving for about 14 billion years.



Conflicts between the creation stories: There are some apparent inconsistencies between the first and second creation accounts: There may be a conflict over the number of days over which creation happened. Genesis 1:3 and subsequent verses say that God created the universe in six days.
In Genesis 2:4, some translations, including the King James Version, imply that it took one day. More details

In the first account, God created fruit trees before Adam and Eve; in the second account, God created Adam, then the fruit trees, then Eve.
In the first account, God created animals before Adam and Eve; in the second account, God created Adam. then the animals, then Eve.
Genesis 1:20 describes how God had "the waters bring forth , fowl" ; in Genesis 2:19, God formed them "out of the ground".
In the first account, God created the fish on the 5th day; in the second account, the fish of the sea were not created at all.

Get your facts right and stop believing in a shambolic babble that cannot be authenticated. Bottom line who passed such information to you? How come there are 1 billion and one theories from the same bible as it relates to the creation? e.g

Genesis 2:4 has been variously translated to imply that creation either took one day, or took a longer interval. Among those translations that imply a single-day creation are: The 21st Century King James Version: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens."
Amplified Bible: "This is the history of the heavens and of the earth when they were created. In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens."
English Standard Version: "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
King James Version (KJV): Identical to the 21st Century KJV.
New American Standard Bible: "This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.
New King James Version: "This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens."
Young's Literal Translation: "These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;"


Among those translations that imply a longer creation interval are: Holman Christian Standard Bible: "These are the records of the heavens and the earth, concerning their creation at the time that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
The Jerusalem Bible: "Such were the origins of heavens and earth when they were created."
Living Bible: "Here is a summary of the events in the creation of the heavens and the earth which the Lord God has made."
Modern Language: "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth in their creation."
New Century Version: "This is the story of the creation of the sky and the earth."
New International Version: "This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created."
New Living Translation: "This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth."
New World Translation: "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created.
Revised Standard Version: "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created."


Exodus 20:11 and 31:17: Creation is described as taking six days.
Job 38:4 to 38:7 The creation of the earth is described as occurring on a single morning "when the morning stars sang together."

c'mon now, which one is which?

@Infidel

We have heard you - congrats - we have the right to our beleive - you have the right to yours. So shove it.

Typical christian! When you have nothing to offer you resort to desperation!!!

P:S It's spelt BELIEVE not beleive