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Evil Brain: You people are misinterpreting Thessalonians, that's my point. One person came up with an attractive,but incorrect interpretation and you people swallowed it whole without chewing.

That's what usually happens with religious matters. Religion isn't grounded in reality so people just believe whatever rubbish they like on "faith basis" and it is impossible to convince them otherwise. Everybody now believes in this rapture nonsense, so it must be true even though the scriptural evidence is tenuous at best. Religious people don't need silly things like evidence. They just believe.

Mörons.

you can call us anything u like, no problem. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. The interpretation of Thessalonians given is very correct whether you accept or not.
God is Spirit and we worship Him in spirit and in truth.

The truth is that these satanists, atheists and co have no gospel to preach, so they just try to rubbish the Gospel of Christ by engaging Christians in vain arguments which are shallow, watery and baseless.

Arguing with them will leave u empty to no avail as they have no intent of changing their ways.

Rapture is real, and i thank God that it not going to be a secret thing as all eyes shall behold Jesus.

If you feel threatened or uncomfortable, then give your life to Christ now that there is still time to do so.

@ Sweetnectar, Thank God u know that Jesus is the only way to God.

The golden calf was an idol that infuriated God. The only representation of Christ Jesus in Moses' time was the brass serpent which many despised and perished anyway. Num 21 9 and Jn 3 vs 14-15.

John testified of Jesus. John lived his whole life preparing people for the coming of Christ. Jn 1 vs 26-27, 29 - 30-36. He acknowledged Jesus as the messiah, as greater than him and as the son of God.

Pls stop this ur propagation of lies. Before engaging in an argument, get your facts right, do not argue based on heresy or better still, read the bible thoroughly urself!

Sweetnecta: one christian [anony] says he cant understand me. another [iphy42] believes i am clear and direct and he is now asking me to follow Paul.

interesting.

i am going to just guess since i cant read the mind of anony. maybe when the christians say they dont understand me [the often say this], they may just be pretending, because my question really goes to the heart of the matter?

since the muslims are part of the monotheistic family of 3, the correct opinion by the family member [the muslims] is more biting and binding as the truth than when a pagan or atheist make his snide remark.

all i can say is that the Truth is with God Who sent Jesus son of Mary with a Message that God is 1 and He deserves all worships as He commanded.

Mind you, i never asked you to follow Paul. Jesus is the one you should follow cos He is the only way to God.

@ sweetnectar and evil brain. Note that Christianity is not just a religion but life in the Holy spirit, if you are not baptized in Him, you will never acknowledge Him much less understand His ways. Holy spirit is real and relevant in modern Christianity.

Apostle Paul reported his conversion experience, did you expect him to lie that it was dictated to him by God?

The bible warns about vain argument in 1 Tim 6 vs 20 and 2 Tim 2 vs 16 - 'but shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness'. He who has ear, let him hear

Read the book of Acts and you will find out that Jesus had another 120 disciples. Many gave their lives to Christ after Jesus died and they were baptized, Jews and Gentiles alike and the gospel spread to many places with thousands giving up their sins and getting baptized in the Holy spirit.
Whoever told you that Jesus had only a handful of followers? Stop spreading lies!

Evil Brain: From the source of all human knowledge, Wikipedia amongst other places.

[url]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture[/url]

Fact: There is not a single mention of anything resembling the rapture in any Christian writing, anywhere before the 17th century. For the first 16 whole centuries that Christianity existed, the idea of the rapture never occured to anybody. Founding fathers like Justin Martyr, Origen as well as thousands of "great men of god" pored over the scriptures for 16 centuries, and not a single one of them ever got the notion that all Christians on earth would suddenly disappear along with a bunch of newly undead zombies.

The idea of a rapture first cropped up in England around 1830, most likely originating with a soon to be expelled Presbyterian priest called John Nelson Darby. It bubbled under among the more "spirit-filled" (i.e. crazier) Christians until the turn of the century when it was popularised, like so many other bad things, by the Americans.

It is a very new doctrine. The fact that you're ignorant of this doesnt make it less true.

Edit: In case anybody missed that, let me just point out that I was joking about getting my facts from Wikipedia. I (used to) read extremely widely and I get my info from a wide variety of sources. I just like quoting Wikipedia because it has a nice summary of the latest knowledge on most topics. And also because it's easier than posting links to a hundred different articles. If you want more info, follow the wiki references or Google is your friend.

Evil Brain: From the source of all human knowledge, Wikipedia amongst other places.

[url]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture[/url]

Fact: There is not a single mention of anything resembling the rapture in any Christian writing, anywhere before the 17th century. For the first 16 whole centuries that Christianity existed, the idea of the rapture never occured to anybody. Founding fathers like Justin Martyr, Origen as well as thousands of "great men of god" pored over the scriptures for 16 centuries, and not a single one of them ever got the notion that all Christians on earth would suddenly disappear along with a bunch of newly undead zombies.

The idea of a rapture first cropped up in England around 1830, most likely originating with a soon to be expelled Presbyterian priest called John Nelson Darby. It bubbled under among the more "spirit-filled" (i.e. crazier) Christians until the turn of the century when it was popularised, like so many other bad things, by the Americans.

It is a very new doctrine. The fact that you're ignorant of this doesnt make it less true.

Edit: In case anybody missed that, let me just point out that I was joking about getting my facts from Wikipedia. I (used to) read extremely widely and I get my info from a wide variety of sources. I just like quoting Wikipedia because it has a nice summary of the latest knowledge on most topics. And also because it's easier than posting links to a hundred different articles. If you want more info, follow the wiki references or Google is your friend.

Evil Brain: From the source of all human knowledge, Wikipedia amongst other places.

[url]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture[/url]

Fact: There is not a single mention of anything resembling the rapture in any Christian writing, anywhere before the 17th century. For the first 16 whole centuries that Christianity existed, the idea of the rapture never occured to anybody. Founding fathers like Justin Martyr, Origen as well as thousands of "great men of god" pored over the scriptures for 16 centuries, and not a single one of them ever got the notion that all Christians on earth would suddenly disappear along with a bunch of newly undead zombies.

The idea of a rapture first cropped up in England around 1830, most likely originating with a soon to be expelled Presbyterian priest called John Nelson Darby. It bubbled under among the more "spirit-filled" (i.e. crazier) Christians until the turn of the century when it was popularised, like so many other bad things, by the Americans.

It is a very new doctrine. The fact that you're ignorant of this doesnt make it less true.

Edit: In case anybody missed that, let me just point out that I was joking about getting my facts from Wikipedia. I (used to) read extremely widely and I get my info from a wide variety of sources. I just like quoting Wikipedia because it has a nice summary of the latest knowledge on most topics. And also because it's easier than posting links to a hundred different articles. If you want more info, follow the wiki references or Google is your friend.

you can post any lie on Google then go back and quote it. Did you not read in Google about some people trying to counter the gospel of Christ at all cost there spreading lies to suit their claims.

@Sweetnecta, i am sorry to inform you that this post is not for Muslims but for Christians who believe in rapture but are not versed in the topic.

Sweetnecta: ^ so you just said the rapture is from Paul's generation onward, which ever generation is alive, it is fulfilled on that generation.
but Jesus was talking to his own generation, the disciples of 12.

Paul was not a disciple and he is from later generation.

if Jesus was addressing his generation of disciples, and Paul is addressing his own generation and beyond, who is correct between Jesus and Paul?
who is worthy to be followed of the two?

Heck. Jesus did not arrive to pick up his disciples. Worse, Paul and his generation and hundreds of generations are perished without the rapture.

I say there is no rapture. And the truth that Jesus was telling the disciples is of two folds: As a prophet of God, Jesus does not know the future, except what God tells him of it. This is the reason that he did not give specific assurance that he will come back and for sure when 1 or more of the disciples will still be alive.
Paul and others never perished, in the scriptuse, note that he said that the dead will rise first before those that are alive will follow

Jesus is telling the disciples that another comforter who was the "that prophet" will come in the future after him. The time, for sure is not absolutely known just like the time of his returning to the earth. if you fail to see that this is the absolute truth, then you have categorized Jesus as a failure, just like Paul is. Paul is not to be believed if we are to believe Jesus. For sure Jesus is an elect of God. Elect of God does not lie.
The 2000 years and counting more years that people have been waiting for Jesus to return is not the decision of Jesus to make. 600 years after Jesus that we saw the advent of Muhammad [sa] is a water shed in time to how close the arrive of Muhammad [sa] is to the departure of Jesus [as]. it could be considered a mere hours, considering that we do not know when Jesus will finally return, coinciding with the time that antichrist must also be on earth. With God a day is as long as many 10s of 1000s of years.

Paul preached Christ, there is no issue as who was greater. Paul acknowledged Jesus as the ONLY foundation. 1 Cor 3 vs 11.

Another comforter never referred to any 'prophet' according to Jesus but is the Holy spirit. Jn 14 vs 16, 26: He told the disciples specifically what the Comforter will do. Jn 15 vs 26, Jn 16 vs13 as well as who He is.
it has taken this long so that the gospel will reach the whole world, for the prophecy of signs of the last days in Mtt 24 to be fulfilled and for you to reconsider your ways and give your life to Christ.

Rossikk: Great points. Most of these people calling themselves christians here have never heard of the Sumerian Epics of Gilgamesh or the Egyptian Book of the Dead, yet these texts - thousands of years older than the bible - were the source of much of what was later written in the Jewish bible, albeit slanted and distorted to favour the Jewish deity.

There are parts of those texts that were copied almost verbatim by latter Jewish plagiarist bible writers.

Those ancient texts made it VERY CLEAR that man was NOT created by the Almighty God, BUT by his 'messengers' ie advanced beings with the technology to create beings (or more accurately, genetically engineer beings). Yahweh (assuming he actually existed) was of course merely one of those 'messengers', and most certainly not God. Even a cursory reading of the old testament should tell any reasonably intelligent person that the being represented there as ''the lord'' could not possibly be the God of the Universes. How can the Almighty be commanding PPLE TO GO ON MASS RAP.ING and genocidal killing sprees?? Including looting sprees of neighbouring lands? I mean THAT ALONE should tell anyone with a reasonably functional brain that the entity cannot possibly be God. But our brainwashed, robotic, colonised christians here are way too far up the asss of western religion to even question the clear contradiction and dubious nature of what they've been asked to believe. Shameful and tragic.

pls where exactly in the Bible did God send pple on mass rap.ing . Vain argument will lead us no where, do not lie to score cheap points. No man can be born again except by the Spirit of God, including U.

Hmmm no wonder apostle Paul said in 2 Cor 3 vs 6- He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant-not of the letter but of the spirit; for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life. Niv. U can never understand the word of God except by the spirit of God. The multitude in Jesus' days hardly understands Him cos they were after signs nd wonders. See how Jesus described them : so that, may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven! Mk 4 vs 12
Then Jesus said,' he who has ear to hear, let him hear' vs 9

Mr_Anony: I see, well I hold that the rapture will happen after the tribulation and that the elect are not limited to 144,000. Read further down Revelations 7, you will find that there was a multitude of saints worshiping God who were killed during the great tribulation (verse 14)

Now compare to Matthew 24:22
....And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
This tells us that the elect would be present in those terrible days and as you continue to read down, we find that the Son of Man comes in Matthew 24:30, the chapter goes on to paint for us a picture of what the rapture would be like from verses 40 onwards.

Hmmm, i am overjoyed whenever i come across people that are versed in scriptures. Many quote the Bible out of context and leave off some parts in pursuance of selfish interests. God is faithful and can NEVER be mocked. No matter how our preachers or pastors bastardise Christianity, God would always preserve remnants who will stand firm in Him especially in these last days. No matter how we try to twist, turn, shift or cut out from God's words, we would never change the essence of who God is. Heaven, hell and rapture are real. Once more a big thank u to Mr Anony for painstakingly taking time to expound the scriptures as regards the theme of rapture, a topic so neglected by the church of Christ yet so important. May God's grace abound for all those who await the return of the Bridegroom.... Amen

True talk @ op

Mr_Anony: Read it in context, Paul was writing a letter to comfort his brethren and remind them of the hope that awaits them. It was not a "prophecy".
He thought he would see the rapture in his time in the same way many patriarchs of the old testament thought they will see the messiah in their time.

Exactly

mazaje: What else did Paul get wrong in the bible?. . .He stated something that was obviously wrong. . .Am not grasping as straws but making a valid point

Paul like other disciples believed Jesus would come back for them then. So they waited expectantly not knowing exactly when He will come

Rossikk: I'll take my chances. YOU can rapture, and don't forget to drop your bank details with me before you head up.

Ok, just remember then ie if u still did not change your stance that if left behind, pls do not take the mark of the beast. It will only give u temporal relief but long term sorrow.

Mr_Anony: Here's the explanation you seek.

....For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.....
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Thanks a lot for helping me out in my absence, i was very busy. May the good Lord bless and keep u raptureable in Jesus name... Amen

Rossikk: If I'm left behind in the rapture? That would be the happiest day of my life!! Hopefully some millionaires near my crib will be raptured so I can take over their bank accounts, houses and posh vehicles.

Not so fast bro, after rapture, God will visit the earth with His wrath. There would be great pain caused by the anti Christ. Terror shall reign supreme, u won't want to witness it, I assure us. Rev 9 will give u an insight.

@Todaynatoday the Elect are God's chosen ones. This includes Christ in Is 42 vs 1 nd Mtt 12 vs 17 , all children of God, Col 3 vs 12 and all those anointed by God for special purposes, Is 45 vs 1.

mazaje: Wasn't this supposed to have happened during the time of Paul?. . .

If a thing of that magnitude did happen before now, don't you think there would be a record of it somewhere, anywhere.

@ Evil brai, rapture cannot be wished away, Jesus spoke of it Himself. Please be informed. Mtt 24 vs 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away. Kjv

Todaynatoday: please, can you explain what rapture is and where it is mentioned in the bible?

In the words of Jesus Christ Himself : Mt 24 vs 30-31
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Kjv see also Mk 13 vs 26-27

The truth is that each marriage is unique and any foundation built from d start is hard to change. Men as well as woman lie in marriages for no just cause nd money is usually a contentious issue. If she lied, think about your own lies, mend fence and move forward. People do a lot of weird things in marriages for very strange reasons too.

God forbid that i don't make it but i will just not collect the mark of the beast no matter what!

I was just wondering why christians only talk about blessings, success and prosperity and rarely talk about rapture let alone preparing for it. What if you are left behind after rapture, child of God, what will you do?

@ dominique, just 'like' read comments nd 'unlike' asap @ dominique, just 'like' read comments nd 'unlike' asap

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Oceanic bank now deducts N100 monthly 4 'ATM charges' whether or not u use it. Is this so in other banks?