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ezeagu: What does that have to do with Igbo people living in Igboland?

Are you not your brother's keeper or are the not your own?

Imagine, kerosene is selling at N130 instead of N50 and nobody is calling for Diezeani's head.
The op must be right because the Yorubas defended FFK when he confessed to employing SW and even placing them in positions they didn't merit.

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macof: I don't perceive Isekiri anywhere outside Oduduwa nation

Will all itsekiris go with Oduduwa? How will they reconcile the land differences?

kwakayekaa: so you are raying UNILAG UI,and OAU are underdeveloped schools? the south west boasts of the fairest and best schools in nigeria

The writer wasn't referring to South Western universities, he only compared SS and SE universities to Northern universities.

nyabingi: igbo have lived in many part of the world and have also intermaried

I know but we have more Igbos married to Yorubas than those married outside Nigeria not to mention those in other parts of Nigeria.

Even if it gets a death sentence tag, the judiciary will let the politicians off the hook and the nobodys will be gleefully punished.

atlwireles: I spent 12 years living in different army barracks in the North. They have been killing southerns before boko haram became an issue. Right from the 70s in Maiduguri, Yola, and Kaduna in the 80s. My parent were so worried, we never left the barracks, only on Sunday for church services.

Sorry to hear that. Maybe I interacted with the cool headed ones

ngozievergreen: The latter parts of ur posts have too much sentiments and I don't like sentiments.
y will I care what happens to the other parts shd igbos leave? Where were they when igbos were suffering to find their square root in the 70s? History never lies. They can stay tog without the igbos, if they wish.

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For the first part, what do u mean by igbos have most of their investments outside igboland?
even If its true, how does that prevent secession?
U only become a citizen of the new/ host
country, say Arewa republic but not an indigene .
If conditions become unfavorable, u sell the properties, if they buy them for peanuts, that will be ur luck, for doing it so late.
Igbos easily recover from such tnz, like I said, they have seen it all.

If Lagos will deport Igbos when the law forbids it, what will happen when we divide and they are backed by law?
You have sisters married to Yorubas so you'll need a visa to visit them?
Btw By sisters I mean fellow Igbos not necessarily your blood relations.
What has sentiment got to do with looking out for others?

nyabingi: oga dont say what u dont know just because you have acess to a social site as this, im full blood igbo, born and raised in the north and spending adult life in the west, the igbo yoruba issue is born out if jelousy which can be corrected with politics but the north hate the igbos with passion both from religion and sicial angle!

I have lived in Lagos for more than 30 years and I'll tell you that Igbo Yoruba issue cannot be corrected by mere politicts. Yorubas are scared that the Igbos will take over Lagos and wants them to leave, the Igbos work hard, make money and flaunts it without qualms and bring more kinsmen to Lagos. It is a social thing and not a political thing. I have also being to the north but not for so long.
Maybe we interacted with different sets of people

atlwireles: They kill an average of 1000 Nigerian every year in the name of Allah, for past 60 years. Yet you call them peaceful

I have been to the North and I must tell you that asides religious fanatism and maybe the harsh weather, they are simple and honest people. Very hospitable and kind. The more reason why I hate Boko haram is that they are painting the whole of the North black. Mind you, some of these BH members are not Nigerians. I know some Hausas who had lost loved ones too.

abagoro: Igbos don't hate anybody but most of these Nairaland Igbos are just PDP agents playing to the gallery of their masters. Igbos as a people are very individualistic and often have differed opinions on every issue and can never agree. So never judge all Igbos from what is seen on Nairaland.

I quite agree with you on Igbos being indidualistic but I don't want to sound biased. There are very mature considerate Yorubas as well as Igbos. I don't mean all Yorubas or Igbos.

atlwireles: My problem with Nigeria is not about oil, but freedom. A young Thomas Jefferson saw the future of his country and drafted, the greatest document since the bible. With the following words, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life,
Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

This will never happen in Nigeria, unless we divide this country.

How are you sure that division will bring freedom? My point is this: are we going to import people from Mars to be our citizens, is it not the same set of selfish, corrupt, greedy people that will spill over from Nigeria and continue from where they stopped in the new countries?

achi4u: The problem of igbos with yorubas can easily be dealt with,,,,compare to d northern part who lives by the sword.
The yorubas will surely allow igbos to do their businesses and pay their taxes as at when due with no string attach to it but it will only hit on them like thunder bolt when they to want to reintroduce their already "trade mark" which everyone of us here knows.
Same goes to igbos and we will leave in
peace.

Maybe it's my turn to ask if you've been to the west or north before. If you have then you will know that nothing can cure the disaffection between the Igbos and Yorubas. Do you know how many people that were killed in Lagos in 1993 during the Abiola saga? If not for the Nigerian umbrella, the Yorubas would have long sent the Igbos away. The Igbos hate the Yorubas as much too. The Hausas on the other hand live in peace if not for religious fanatics that incite violence.

atlwireles: OP, I am from Ughelli South. Really, don't talk about what you don't know.

Ok, since the whole of SS are now decent cities and all pollutions gone, I am sorry for referring to some places as polluted. Maybe i should upgrade myself with a visit.

atlwireles: Don't talk about mismanaging 13%, What has your Nigeria and the govs. done with the 87% you stole from us

If a governor does not manage 13% well, what makes you think he will fare better with 100%.
this is not only for the SS but for other states as well.

Oil is now being discovered in some other states as well remember? They will use their oil ALONE when yours has been shared.
Btw, I am from an oil producing state too so don't get me wrong.

atlwireles: Some of the people that comment here, blow me away with comments. Do they actually live in Nigeria What does OP think the southsouth is Some Amazon jungle polluted with oil. The southsouth is Portharcout, Onne,Ahoda, Elele, calabar,Oron,benin,Auchi, Uromi, Sapele, Oleh Warri, Asaba,Uyo,Yenagoa. How many places in this hell call Nigeria is more live able than these cities.

The south south include those and more including Ogbe ijo, Udu, Oloibiri, Okolor and Parts of Ughelli to mention a few areas in the interland badly affected by oil exploration.

atlwireles: Have you set foot in the southsouth before Your comment is out of this planet.

The SS governors mismanaged the 13% derivation fund meant to develop their state. What makes you think SS leaders will manage the oil well if we divide.
My problem is not in the division itself but I'm more concerned about problems as well as prospects of dividing Nigeria for the good of everyboy. I want to be sure that what is happening in Nigeria is not a mirror of what will happen in the new countries.
If one is not faithful in little, he can't be faithful in much.

What about the menace of kidnapping in the south? People are afraid to travel home for fear of being kidnapped. Where do you think the big wigs from the east especially will run to if Nigeria divides.
Violence is not only in the north but also in the south. We need a strong president with a sincere heart to take the bull by the horn and tackle insecurity all over Nigeria

lygn19: What makes u think so, do u think if Nigeria breaksup, sm1 who scored 2 wud near university doorsteps, not to talk of d corridor of powers, do u think if Nigeria breaks up, I wud wakeup one day and discover that oil has been discovered in my backyard, I wud be happy that hope has come, only for poverty,pollution and frustration to be greeting ne goodmorning everyday, do u think if Nigeria breaks, one Ediot can daggar me
and nothing wud happen?...
God come to our rescue

I understand the inequality but please remember that he who scored 2 will be awarded a degree in his country if Nigeria breaks up. It won't stop at all.
I feel those from the South south should not fall for this break up thing so that they will be free to enjoy the dividends of their wealth all over Nigeria since their habitat has been degraded and polluted in order to give some people a better life.

achi4u: Again, our major problem is the northern part of this country.

Let the north have their islamic state ..

Let the whole south come together and form their own country.

The profit will surely out weigh the loose.

Are you sure the Northerners are our problems? With all the hate between the Igbos and Yorubas, do you think they can stay together as a country without problems?
We all contribute to the problem one way or another and until we stop trading blames and admonish ourselves, Nigeria wiu never be a better place.

Alfa Seltzer: Parrot.

Why did you call me a parrot? I want us to see things from a broad perspective. Were you offended?

lygn19: And what do u think re d problems we re facing today?... We in d south know who re our problems so if those ppl get der asses bck to Niger where they come from, then its over.

Is it not the same corrupt people from Nigeria that will man the new countries. With all the funds looted, they'll tower high above the poor and be a threat to all around them. The gladiators will eliminate anyone standing in their way and ther will be so much bloodshed until people are coerced to submission.
There'd be no reasonable protests then cos the protesters will be so small in number that they will be crushed before take off. All oppositions will be mercilessly crushed and there would be no freedom speech.

ngozievergreen: My own is that Igbos shd secede, the rest can sort themselves out as they want or even decide to stay tog.
Igboland has enough diversity to give it that fun of diversity; division will definitely reduce the burden of diversity to an extent

I think Igbos will be badly hit by the
division because most of their investments are outside Igboland.

Besides an average Igboman will want to be in charge hence the many autonomous
communities you see everywhere in Igboland.

Have you not noticed that kingship in most communities in the East is no
longer by inheritance but by vote hence the word like Igwe elect. Does this not tell you that the Igbos will divide themselves until every family become a
country of its own With every man becoming a president. Haven't you heard
that 'Igbo ama Eze'.

Don't you think you are being selfish by not caring about what happens to other regions after you separate? Have you forgotten that some of your Igbo sisters live in these other tribes or regions by virtue of marriage?

God in His infinite wisdom brought us all together for a purpose. The only problem we have are our leaders who are
insatiably greedy.

Sundouglas: Nothing is wrong giving you a landmark or meeting in Eateries.But any agent that tells u to pay and fill a form is hungry and likely a scammer.Pls run!

In Lagos, you must pay to fill a form. When I was looking for an apartment, all nine agents insisted I register. They will say it is for running around and for calls but you will pay for their transport fare if they take you anywhere and they only flash you if necessary.

Pls Homesoflife, in what part of Nigeria is agent and legal fee 10% each cos in Lagos, it is not below 30% each.

ngozievergreen: Inasmuch as I bliv Nig won't divide easily, I don't bliv the saying that Nig strength lies in its diversity, common, the diversity is a problem.
I mean its heterogeneously incompatible.

Even if Nigeria divides, will it solve the problem of diversity? We are too diverse to be homogenous no matter how we split it. How are we even going to split-along what lines exactly?

IGBO-SON:
^^^Leave us to worry about our own problems....don't cry more than the bereaved!

Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?

If I state where I'm from, it might give the thread a tribalistic tone but since my own people are attacking me I think it's safe to say I am a detribalised Nigerian.

9jacrip: [b]I see you're pulling prophecies out of your gash.
Before Lagos (which is Island only which was developed by FG), the rest of Lagos was developed by Western Region government and we will do it again and again - population reduction is what we want for better governance abeg. Good riddance!
Since Atlantic Slave trade era, Benin
Empire contact with Lagos, Colonial Era to mention a few. Lagos had always attracted foreigners so tuck your logic of investors dwindling. Find a way to steal investors to help develop your east since you are only interested in 'developing' other people's lands as you've claimed
but have a problem replicating these developments in/on your own lands.
You're funny WHAT foodstuff are
imported that Yorubaland doesn't grow? Before Nigeria, Yorubaland has had meat and beans. Coupled with how we have all now become educated, I do not think anybody will lack in the aspect of agriculture.
No state is fighting over capital, we all know it is Ibadan - the melting point for all Yoruba people.

Bother about your region and your anti-development loot-ful leaders abeg [/b]

Are you rock sure that no one is fighting for the capital of south west?

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Compare Festac, Satelite town, Okota, Lekki etc to Isale Eko, Mushin, Ajangbadi, Orile, Amukoko etc. Which of these places are more developed and who are the major developers or residents there.

I am not saying that Yorubas can't develop the West but the pace and quality of development would differ with a west collectively developed by Nigerians.
Pre colonial and post colonial era are not the same. A lot of water have passed under the bridge.
We all need each other.

lygn19: LoL... We know we re landlocked, allow us go with our landlockness nw is it ur problem.
I don't know y when ppl talk of Nigeria's breakup the northerners and d yoruba's instead of them to be talking abt how they wud cope, they wud go and start arguing abt how Igbo's won't survive if Nigeria breaksup...lol'''who is fooling who

You didn't read the write up. If you did, you will see that I covered all regions. Everyone has something to lose or gain! I want us to measure the pros and cons before taking a stand.
Our uniqueness lie in our strength and versatility.

ngozievergreen: Dat is a problem but I trust Igbo to sort that out.
Any Igbo problem is better than the Nigeria's problem

I wonder how they will deal with the problem of being landlocked. There is Nigeria and they are being deported from Nigeria. Imagine what will happen to them if Nigeria disintegrates!

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Sentiments aside, I feel we all need one another.
The south east need the coastal areas and other parts of Ngeria to migrate to freely and those areas need the Igbos to populate them and to breed development there.
The south south have oil which have also been discovered in some other region. The oil have ravaged the SS ecology and they need to freely go anywhere developed with the funds from 'oyel' and use whatever their 'oyel' money was built with till 'thy kingdom come' without fear of harassment.
The westerners need the population of Lagos because in it lies their strength. The development in Lagos will spill to other western states and therein lies the beauty. What is the essence of infrastructure if ther is nobody to use it.
Ask those who built Tinapa...
The northers depend on oil wells just as other parts of Nigeria depend on their agricultural produce which they need a market for.
For all the minorities, your problems will not be solved because there would always be a majority.

I sincerely think decentralizing the center and empowering the federating units is all we need in Nigeria now.

I rest my case

One big thing the Hausas will miss is Oil- well I mean the Northern elites. An average Northerner lives a simple life and knows little or nothing about Oyel money. The anger he feels or injustice felt is carefully taken care of in his religion so he asks no questions and is a good follower.
The big problem lies in where all the cattle will graze and how all the agricultural produce will be turned to cash. Make no mistake about it but once Nigeria disintegrate, all the new regions will make Agriculture a top priority.
The North has a lot of power brokers and I wonder who will step aside. The Kanuris and the Fulanis will have to slog it out.
How about the many minorities? Will they stay put or simply form a small country.