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tensor777: I repeat you are not a christian. People have pointed out the scripture to you and yet you are still arguing blindly.
If you were you would learn to be humble and to be submissive to higher authority. Wearing long skirts to church will not cost you anything whatsoever neither would covering your hair. Apart from pride.

I think its ur pride that wouldnt allow u 2 accept that u have believed a lie all your life. So keep believing your lie, bro/ sister and call me proud 4 standin by d UNDILUTED and IMPARTIAL truth of d scriptures. God will soften ur hardened heart in His own time. He knows those that are his. I refuse 2 join pple in twistin d Bible just 2 look holy b4 men. If u call it pride, well, so be it. I can't give up on d truth just bcs u consider it pride.

tensor777: Well it is also common sense. And why should the dressing of Christian women conform to the outside world. And yes I am talking about Christian women not unbelievers. Fine You may say that a lady looks decent in trousers. The thing is she invariably would look even more decent in a long skirt
You mischieviously posted pictures of young white models in trousers and juxtaposed it with a woman wearing a miniskirt!
Where have we said that miniskirts are decent for Christian women?

So whats d description of d kind of clothing d Bible prescribed 4 women? Ur argument against d word of God is luzing ground. The so called fashion of d world brot trousers even 4 men 2. B4 civilization came with its "worldly fashion", even men didn't wear trousers so u myt want to go back 2 d old animal skin days.

tensor777: The question is why aren't these people using their warped logic to support men wearing skirts. After all some designers have introduced male skirts. Because they won't get an audience as the real issue behind this clothing controversy is the spirit of rebellion and stubborness.
They say it is a trivial thing yet many of them are prepared to defy church authority and the scriptures over it and even make it a point of honour never to be seen in skirts.

lol... It's funny u call d truth of scriptures "logic". D Bible did not mention or describe trousers as what Deut: 22: 5 meant. I guess u just read that in2 d scripture. Stop withstanding d truth and answer d questions by d Holy Spirit in u if u have him that is.

tensor777: The whole purpose of this thread is just to mislead and confuse the weak minded Christians as to what is right and wrong. But then again that is the case for almost all the threads opened in the Religon Section of Nairaland
It is just to incite rebellion and dissension in the House of God.
The underlying pattern of these liberals in this thread is to aggressively challenge their opponents interpretation of scriptures and even their faith by accusing them of being hypocritical and judgemental whereas they are displaying these very qualities as they post.

My dear, following after man made doctrines does not qualify u 4 heaven. U withstand d truth even wen it's starin @ u ryt in d face. Thats hardness of heart. I think its u, just like d pharisees who's cleverly adding 2 d Bible. U don't need 2 agree with me. Hold on 2 ur man made teaching and drag others with u. I think Judgement day will tell. Stay blessed.

tensor777: You take it or leave it. The bible does not have to go into details as to which apparels are meant for males and which for females. But in this case it is a matter of common sense and common decency to know what is appropriate.

i'm sorry but u cannot depend on ur "common sense" to interpret what is clearly not stated in scriptures 2 b there. And i dnt need u 2 bliv i'm born again 2 b 1. The fact still remains that self imposed humility does not justify any1. If u like, condemn if frm nw until d world ends, God will not judge based on what u think but on what he says in his word. Since he didnt say women shouldnt wear trousers, i know dressin decently is d key. Don't hate me 4 standin by d truth. Blame d Bible 4 not condemnin wat u condemn. Peace.

haibe: Those people of the world are simply moralists like you so am not surprised if they don't see a woman wearing trousers as holy even though she is born again.

It's very obvious you don't understand what holiness entails if not you won't be thinking a woman wearing trousers cannot be holy...

Christians are to be modest in dressing, no one would see a modest lady on trousers and think she is a sinner except legalists like you.

Pple cannot just accept d truth of d scripture bcs they r 2 deep in man made doctrines 2 see d truth 4 themselves. Miaquotin Deut. 22:5. Oya, make them point out trouser there nw na wahala.

This arguement is useless. The Bible, Deut. 22:5, doesnt say women shouldnt weat trousers. Men made that doctrine over time. Man made doctrines does not justify any1. Repent and follow d truth.

U cannot change d word of God no matter how hard u try. Deut. 22:5 was not talkin abt trousers. If u like, argue frm 2day till 2morw it wuldnt turn d truth of God in2 a lie. Pastors even wear gowns in church and Satans childern don't point their hypocritical fingers @ them. U even place d doctrines of men over d word of God. May God have mercy

A man made doctrine can never replace the truth og Gods word. The Bible doesn't condemn trousers 4 females. Men started it when dey started misquotin scriptures 2 back up their personal dislikes. Smh... U turn d truth of God in2 a lie just 2 look righteous b4 men. May God help us.

doofanc: well, it doesn't explicitly say so.

However, if you the read d entire chapter, you observe the admonition seem to be directed at married women, i.e, a woman preaching in gathering where her husband is present was deemed unacceptable.

futhermore, the explanations given all point towards that direction. notice he talked abt ''usurping the authority of THE MAN (her husband, most likely). I dont see how an unmarried woman can usurp the authority of anorher man.

again notice in vs13-14, he draws a parallel with Adam and Eve (man and wife) and lastly in verse 15 he talks abt childbearing, which is of course ppoints to married couple.

it is very possible women were becoming incresingly assertive and talking down their husbands right in the congregation, something which be taboo under the highly patriachial Jewish socity then. Paul had to sort that out, hence his letter.

my conclusion? i strongly belive if its a segrgated gathering, then shouldn't be a problem if a lady decides to lead. likewise in a gathering of mainly the unmarried eg campus/youth fellowship a lady can also take the lead.

caveat: personal take on d issue

It doesnt matter weda d men there r married or single. She shuldn't evn ask a question weda up on d alter or on her sit. Inoda words, a woman shuldn't play active roles in any church gathering. It doesn't matter d age or status of those in attendance. It didn't say it's a sin if she does odawise sha. It's d unrighteous dat wuldnt ingerit d kingdom of God and not women that Teach d Bible.

doofanc: well, it doesn't explicitly say so.

However, if you the read d entire chapter, you observe the admonition seem to be directed at married women, i.e, a woman preaching in gathering where her husband is present was deemed unacceptable.

futhermore, the explanations given all point towards that direction. notice he talked abt ''usurping the authority of THE MAN (her husband, most likely). I dont see how an unmarried woman can usurp the authority of anorher man.

again notice in vs13-14, he draws a parallel with Adam and Eve (man and wife) and lastly in verse 15 he talks abt childbearing, which is of course ppoints to married couple.

it is very possible women were becoming incresingly assertive and talking down their husbands right in the congregation, something which be taboo under the highly patriachial Jewish socity then. Paul had to sort that out, hence his letter.

my conclusion? i strongly belive if its a segrgated gathering, then shouldn't be a problem if a lady decides to lead. likewise in a gathering of mainly the unmarried eg campus/youth fellowship a lady can also take the lead.

caveat: personal take on d issue

Where ever more than 2 pple r gathered in God's name is a church. Weda it is in a building, under a tree or open air. Weda there r only women in attendance or not. Church isn't a building. She shuld learn in silence and not teach cos she can easily b decive, just like Eve was.

callmebettyetta: Yes its has take away ur manly hood. Cos she has sinned by opening her mouth to talk where men are (preaching) pls look for another church. Cos my bible say women should be SILENCE in d church. If ur pastor is a woman she is also d head of her family. Check where all d churches where women are pastors look at their home u see something different. Pls I stand to be corrected

The Bible forbids a woman "TALKING" in church. Except of course u r twisting d Bible, u'll knw that this exceeds "Preaching" only. A woman shuldn't evn ask questions! And tell u wat, i dnt thnk any church is innocent on dis 1. If it's gonna take pple 2 hell, then i'm sorry 2 say 2 many pple will die there bcs of this. If any woman has ever talked in ur church during service/mass whatever, weda in front or in her seat, she is guilty of d supposed "SIN". Women even head church units and lead praises and ask/ answer questions during sunday skul classes! If u can't see d "Sin" in ur church, u r probably a hypocrite.

Maximus85: I'm very sorry but you are very wrong. Paul was referring to all women. A woman can teach a man but not in the church, in the church they are to be silent as to teaching. Na listen dem must listen. Apostle Paul com say...if something dey wey she no understand....if she reach house make she ask her husband. Shikena!!!!

In d above scripture quoted by d OP u dnt see it being restricted 2 "only in d church", do u? U condemn urself by wat u argue.

mrphysics: its nt in d church brother, apostle paul said they shud ask dia husband questions @ home and nt to teach where men r in d church, also women can preach when they have women meeting like C.G.I.T, bt in d church pls and pls its nt biblical and it was never recorded in d bible

Can u plz give us d scripture that says a woman can preach in a women's meeting?

If uncovering a wonans head in "church" is a sin, it's also a sin 4 a woman 2 cut her hair. Paul says it's 1 and dsame thng. We dnt have that CUSTOM

And insinuating that an uncovered head "in d presense of God" shares God's glory is such a shame. Where did d Bible say that? Wasn't it God that gave her d glory in d frst place?

If u read more closely, u'll see that head covering 4 women was a CUSTOM in corinth. We have no such custom so y bother?

Begino1: dancing unto the Lord is a good thing but what ever we do should be done according to God's will. the world should be copying from the church the good things of God but opposite is the case now. it's the church copying from the world nowadays, we are supposed to b the salt but we have lost our saltiness. may God lead us in the path of righteousness. amen.

Plz, which dance step originated from the church? U'll b shocked 2 knw that all dance moves are beinged danced in d "world" 2day. Includin d 1 u dnt call "worldly". Wen an Ijaw or Yoruba person dances their native dance, its ok. But wen it has a name, it's "worldly". Smh... Pple who call themselves christians, so carnally minded. Fault finders and accusers of brethrens. May God deliver is people frm hypocrisy. Amen

buskie13: dey reason like dogs dats has seen a bone over board.

Smh... These are thesame dances that every1, including u, have been dancin. They only have a name now. Isn't it funny how ur native dance isn't "worldly" but azonto is? Urs came frm heaven?

oluwaisaac: OP...the world cannot but criticise your post....because what you are saying is not of this world, as Christ forewarned. It's clear that the Azonto dancers are not born again, they are only playing religion. If it is the same heaven Paul preached on, and other saints alike, that they're hoping for, they are deluded and will be shocked, except they be converted!

Hmm... I hope u r not 1 of d "false brethrens" that paul said has come 2 spy on d liberty of God's children. U can't dance 1min without dancin a "worldly" step by d way. Dez r dsame dances pple have been dancin. They just have a name now. Accept it or not.

tintingz: Was david dancing in the temple?

and that means it's a sin 2 Dance in church? So, where is d Temple now? The church building or the people?

Jfactor: Jesus was referred 2 as 'tree of life', but He is not the Tree of life created in Genesis. Adam & Eve 'ate' from d 'tree of knowledge' and died spiritually. jesus came to restore life and clear our adamic sin, hence Jesus was physical on earth. the tree of life was removed by the flood, so was that tree of knowledge too. in summary, tree of life was very feelable as any tree in d garden, gbam! end of talk

How did dey die spiritually? Did d Bible tell u that? God said d day dey ate from the tree they would die. He wasn't talking spiritually but physically. Remember that a day 2 God is 1000 years. Both Adam and Eve died b4 1000 years so they died on that same same day physically!

Wol-ef7:
That means you steal and lie shey? #asking

Mtcheew... What a dumb question. Did Jesus teach stealin and lying? We r no longer under d 10 comandments. Read ur Bible and dnt confuse urslf by askin pathetic questions. Any1 who teaches anoda gospel, eg u, will answer 4 dat on d last day. U beta renew ur mind.

Hartarmah: The bible is d bible.Someone once said dt,for u to b succesful in dis life,'u ve to obey d the word f God'(bible) 100%.It is not a joke if u want to b like Jesus Christ.Lofe ur life outside d tyns f dis world nd see hw great dis life is wt God.In d new testament, d bible says ur body is d temple f God,u shld live a holy life........check ur life today bfore it is late so dt u dont miss d kingdom at d end tym

Amen! But wait, how can u claim 2 b obeyin d scriptures 100percent when the only part of Lev. 19 u obey is vs. 28? What abt d other verses?

doctorbabs: .

you better search for true God, stop deceiving urself. in mattew 5v17 jesus said do not think i have come to abolished the laws but to fulfil it.

Hell fire is real oooo

Mtcheew... Hell fire is real so watch it b4 u end up right there. If Jesus came to fulfill the law( which he has done) y then do u hypocrite expect any1 to b bound by it still? D law has bn fulfilled. Christians dnt have any business there any longer. So if u r keepin 1 of d laws, u had better keep the others includin d sabbath or u will b condenmed by ur own ignorant self righteousness. Plz, read ur Bible with understandin bcs u err bcs u dnt have a gud understandin of d Bible.

tonychristopher: when you put on tatoo not campin with responsibility but making yourself look ire and irresponsible. Have you ever thought how stupid and foolish you will look if you are old think of the whole lot of explanation you will make to you kids and grand kids when you tell them why you did this as for me i see tatoo as a mark of surge of stupidity and i take the ladies as whores whom i cont and cant and wont marry. Ever imagined taking a tatoo babe to marry or show her to your parents. Have you seen an old woman that has tatoo on her ragged and sagged skin thats how you will be

Tattooes aren't decent, true. But are christians bound by Lev. 19? No. If u must preach, u must preach d truth and explain to pple where decency comes in. The fact still remains that in as much as tattoos aren't decent, All Laws given thru Moses are no longer binding on christians.

Youngzedd: I will like to make a little correction.

Moses don't have law. He is a messenger who only deliver the instructions given to Him.

Moses don't have law.

Don't confuse urself. All laws given by God thru Moses are not binding on christians. Thats y Jesus came.

Gloria3389: I dont knw why christians hate the truth...i dont knw y they like to squeez d truth nd bend it to their own satisfaction....why do u need to tatoo urself in d first place?....u need to check if u re truly saved if u tatoo urself as a xtian....? Or did jesus tatoo himself wen he was alive?...and u want to reign wit christ?....i doubt ur salvation

Did Jesus cut his hair?

1 Corin. 11: 3-14 said a woman ought to cover her head and that a woman who cut her hair is same as a woman who doesn't cover her head. Now, how many churches preaches that it is a sin 4 a woman to cut her hair? However, Paul put an end to the arguement in verse 15 wen he said, "Long hair is however a beautiful covering for a woman's head". End all these unnessary arguements plz.

Now, we all know the Bible didn't say women shouldn't wear trousers. You might want to ask if the Bible mentioned that smoking or exam malpractice or masturbation or watching porn is a sin but the truth is, they are completely different things. As per trousers, just like jerseys and shirts and polo's and face caps, they are unisex. It is however pertinent to note that trousers 4 men and those for women are not exactaly thesame. We all know that a guy cannot wear the kind of trousers ladies wear. A guy was once mocked 4 wearing ladies' trousers. Both men and women wear gowns and nobdy makes a noise abt it. Some pastors even wear gowns in church but nobody condemns them. Don't defend! A gown is a gown. Now, abt smoking, we all agree that it is bad 4 d health and whatever does more harm than good to d body should be avoided. As per exam-mal practice, it is a shameful thng and not only that, it is irresponsible. Masturbation, furthers lust. Now, these things were not mentioned in the Bible but the Holyspirit helps us to know good from bad. Anythng that was not called sinful or that was not mentioned in the Bible is now left to d Holyspirit to tell us whether it is sin or not. So many pple do not even give the Holyspirit a chance. They just go right ahead and create their own idea of righteousness. The Bible doesn't condemn wearing trousers and if the Holyspirit in you doesn't condemn you, do not let any man judge you for they don't even know what the righteousness of God is about. Somebdy asked if Mary wore trousers but then, did mary also wear jean skirts and jackets? The Bible said a time will come when the law will b in our hearts and then nobdy will need to tell us what is or isnt sin anymore. The time is now. The Holyspirit is there 4 every born again christian and it is the Holyspirit in u that will guide you not to abuse wearing of trousers. I am personally sick of people trying to add to the Bible. It is sin. Don't quote Deut. 22.5 out of contex and include trousers, please. Sayin smthng isnt decent is diffrnt frm sayin d Bible says such a thng is sin. Let the Holyspirit in you lead and not ignorant modern day pharisees. Lets learn to read the Bible with understanding. A woman shouldnt wear what partaineth to a man doesn't mean she shouldn't wear trousers. Trousers don't partain to men. The Bible even sais "What partaineth unto a man" and not "what partaineth unto men". It means different thngs. If u must follow Deut. 22.5 then u must not wear anythng that blongs to a boy. Don't wear ur brothers thngs. Face cap, wrist watch, sweaters, slippers e.t.c. Don't wear what a male bought personally for himself. Your trouser doesnt partain to any man. Sorry abt the length. Let d holyspirit tell u wat is sin and not any1 else.

Ebirich Ben: Please don't forget nta Yenagoa and their socalled Gloryland state owned tv. All they do is to Advertise Traditional medicine salers. mama abiodun, papa abiodun, papa and mama twins and so on......, Have not seen a stupid stations like these once.

Hehehehehe... Those adverts on Gloryland TV sha! Chai! All those herbalists always talking about Pile and STD's 24/7. But you haven't seen anything yet if you haven't seen DRTV and their Obituaries. Their news? Always about the state sanitation excercise and the "Demon Destroyer". Scary station.

salt 1: Agreed.
Just to add that God requires purity of BODY. It is His temple which you must not corrupt by just putting anything on it but only what will please Him. He is interested in the smallest detail of our lives and wants us to yield our bodies as living sacrifices.
He is either Lord of All(body, soul and spirit) or not Lord at all

I do not know. I cannot claim to know all and i am not trying to convince anybody about this. There are some doctrines we hear and just because they are really strict we think that is what will guarantee our making heaven. Take for instance, there is no harm whatsoever in teaching people not to marry so as to remain pure and focussed on God and prohibiting them from eating certain (Unclean) things yet The apostle called such doctrines false. What is my point? These days, so many people just think up something and call it sin just because they don't like it personally. Our ways are not the ways of God. Our wisdom is not his wisdom. The fact that smbdy doesn't like something doesnt just make it sin. God cares about our body because it is his temple but is it a sin to beautify God's temple? Does he hate beauty? Even our churches are decorated how come that isn't also sin? Paul said a Womans beauty should not MERELY be outward. 1 corin. 3 ( Read from different versions for more insight) this passage in my own understanding does not condemn d outward beauty but only emphasises on it's worthlesness. I don't thnk make up was ever condemned in the Bible. I don't know, but i don't thnk wearing of make up for instance is a sin. It's not about what i think right? True. Romans 10... I would be glad if you could refer me to scriptures that teaches us that people who wear make up, fail to pay tithe, and (perm their hair) for instance, will go to hell bearing in mind that even the wicked Jazeebel was not punished because of her make up but for her wickedness. Please, help me..