₦airaland Forum

smithsydny:
Whose is this heardsmens..

madridguy:
No argue about that.

caprini1:
Ah ah..you too? admit Na! we are ballers

madridguy:
If not the stupidity of Barca coach who is Juve to send them packing. The Old ladies will get it hot as never before.

caprini1:
Juve will not even see ball play that day.Na so we dey deal with all this so-called good defence teams like Athletico and Bayern

jegz25:
that's beautiful, but who wan go there com become food for book boys

9jakool:
No, I have no interest. I'm basing my conclusion directly off of science and oral history.

Kwararafa was a 16th century confederacy of ethnic groups in the Benue-Taraba region. Most cross river people do not come from Kwararafa, unless the few from the border. Cross river groups like Ejagham are closer linguistically to Tivs and they speak closely related language. How come the Ejagham aren't from Congo. Let me go further. In fact, according to linguistic evidence a long time ago the Ejagham and the Tivs once spoke the same language known as Southern Bantoid. Ejagham are very ancient West African people that invented one if the few indigenous writing system on the continent dating as far back as 2,000 YEARS ago. Have you ever heard of the Ikom monoliths. Bantu groups didn't migrate from Congo, It's the other way around since Bantu migrated from the border of Nigeria and Cameroon to the rest of Africa. Scientists have documented a lot of evidence for the bantu migration from the edge of West Africa to the rest of Africa which we know as The Great Bantu migration/expansion. No such documentation of Bantu migration from Congo back to Nigeria exists. Again, I'm aware the Tivs were expansionists based on their origin.

You and I are not Tivs. I also study the history of this people, especially linguistics.

The bolded would be false based on your theory. Kwararafa exists somewhere around 16th century. If the Tiv came after Kwararafa, then that means the Tiv population is very recent and their language would still be very close to other Bantu languages, especially from Congo that the supposedly came from. Bantu expansion occurred thousands of years ago and even after thousands of years later, Bantu languages have many similarities with each other. This can be best demonstrated with their number system.
Linguistic evidence
Take for example, Kikuyu language from Kenya with the counting system from 1-10:
Ĩmwe, Igĩrĩ, Ithatũ, Inya, Ithano, Ithathatũ Mũgwanja, Inyanya, Kenda, Ikũmi. Notice the similarity with another language county system.

This is Zulu in South Africa, 4 thousands kilometers away:
kunye, kubili, kuthathu, kune, kuhlanu, isithupha, isikhombisa, isishiyagalombili, isishiyagalolunye, ishumi.

In Congo, the apparent Tiv homeland, the Kikongo counting system are: moosi, zoole, tatu, ya, taanu, saambanu, ntsambwaadi, naana, vwe/vwa, kuumi.

In Tiv language: the numerical system are: mom, uhwa, utaa, unyii, utaan, aterata, utankaauhwa, anieni, utankwunyi, pue.


See, even Bantu languages that have been separated for millennia share more in common with each other, than Tiv which relatively recently migrated from Congo the fall of Kwarafa according to you. Can you find me a language in Congo that's very similar to Tiv?

See the multiple similarities in Bantu languages. Also in many bantu languages, the word for people is "bantu." This isn't the case for Tiv which lacks that terminology. Researchers classified Tiv and some surrounding languages as Bantoid not Bantu. Bantoid languages are close to Bantu languages, they are not the same necessarily. In

Archaeology and Historic evidence
*Tiv claim descendant from an ancestor named Tiv who had two progenitor sons; Chongo and Pusu.
Tiv claim they originate from a hillly/mountainous area known as Swem, before settling at the Benue valley.


"Archaeological researches conducted on abandoned settlement sites in Tivland particularly the hilltop settlement sites have also been useful in the search for Tiv origin and migrations. These researches seem to support the assertion by Tiv oral traditions that, the Tiv inhabited the hilltops as they migrated from Swem into the Benue Valley of Nigeria. The migration from Swem according to oral traditions was sparked in part, by conflict with other tribes (Akiga 1939, Makar 1975, Gbor 1978) and the hilltops provided the needed protection from their enemies as they were pursued into the Benue Valley. Archaeological and ethno archaeological works conducted by scholars such as Andah 1983, Folorunso 1989, Ogundele 1993, Gundu 1999, Ndera 2009, and Chia 2014 have associated the hilltop settlements in Tivland today with the Tiv."

This hilltop settlements predate Kwararafa as archeologists found Tiv pottery and tools evidence dating back to the 1400s.

"Having examined the evidence available for Tiv origin and migrations from different sources, it seems the notion of a Tiv migration from somewhere around the Nigeria- Cameroon border into the Benue Valley of Nigeria is not in doubt again."



A lot of ethnic groups in Nigeria are expansionists, Igala, Nupe, Yoruba, Ijaw, Hausa, Ebira and Fulani are all expansionists, but does that make them Bantu languages? It's true that Tiv as Bantoid does feature some similarities with Bantu, but they are not necessarily the same.

Again don't get me wrong, my point all along is still that Tiv is Bantoid, because it's the factual classification and as such the closest groups to Bantu languages. Tivs are similar to other Bantoid groups found in Cameroon as well. In Cameroon, there is a distinction, as well as a bond between Bantu-speaking ethnic groups and Bantoid ethnic groups with each accounting for around a third of the population.
I hope this helps.

Research Info from:
Richard Terungwa Chia
Department of Archaeology,
Ahmadu Bello University,
Zaria, Nigeria.

Below is a map of the language classification. Look at the Southern boarder between Cameroon and Nigeria. The dark and light orange represents Bantoid languages. The brown represents Bantu languages.

Underneath are the original abandoned ancient Tiv hill settlements uncovered by archaeologists.

fanficgirl:
Yeah, but I just think non nigerians tend to find pidgin funny. You sounded very serious to me lol.

genieluv:
Yaah, they sometimes are. Buh i think there are more yoruba n Igbo words in pidgin than hausa words.

fanficgirl:
Hahahahaha true

freshest4live:
To me ancient Korean and American war movies are the best. We Africans should focus on ancient war movies of Oyo kingdoms, Ashanti et al.

leofab:
who doesn't know it's death? Oya clap for your self ; you have measured your high intelligence by another man's language. I guess all Chinese and Russians who can't speak English properly too are oLodo.. black skin with blank brain.

fSociety:
That bastard is worse than a failure. Good to know he'll be dead soon

leofab:
Failure personified.. they should be stoned to dead.. Amechi the lizard of Ubima; where are you ?

fanficgirl:
Do you not sleep

Kathmandu:
He is a Private citizen so anyway he spends your money is no concern of your and he Never made buhari promises to stop medical tourism abroad

bantudra:
i can only laugh over kenyans...i met alot of them in europe...the funny thing is,they tell you all of them went to university...even their 2years olds still wearing dippers.... ...they are soo funny.... ...akunamatata stuff....

genieluv:
Hiehiehie (laughing in sakkwatanci) @ tumbin giwa

fanficgirl:
Yea

vaxx:
do you think it will convince him. proof it online.

genieluv:
Hmmm, gaskiya bansani fa. Inace wai kanurai yan Borno da Yobe kawai. Lallai illimi kam, koyaushe ana karu.

Ee nasan cewa akwai kanuri a lafia. Ama Bauchi da Gombe akwai su kuwa? Hakane yan kanuri suna dayawa? ~~~ zanmaka wata tambaya, karka yi haushi fa~~. Meya hadasa Boko haram a kasahen kanuri haka?

iblawi:
http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/kenya-refinery-2016-07-25

Everything about these Kenyan are lies. They don't have a working Refinery sef.

fanficgirl:

genieluv:
Yawancin wa'inan mumunar ayyukan, rashin ilimi ne ke haddasa.
Naji farin chiki jiya da nagan shugabanin jihohin arewa a taruwarsu, da suna magana akan yadda zasu gyara education sector na arewa gabadaya.
Ubangiji yasa shiryawansu ya yiwu, yakuma kawo mamu zaman lafiya da kwance hankali a arewa gabadaya.

vaxx:
Bari shi san gaskiya kawai kamar tlhe hanyar da ka bayyana shi a gare ni

iblawi:
I won't allow you fool pass lies as fact.

genieluv:
Hmmm, gaskiya bansani fa. Inace wai kanurai yan Borno da Yobe kawai. Lallai illimi kam, koyaushe ana karu.

Ee nasan cewa akwai kanuri a lafia. Ama Bauchi da Gombe akwai su kuwa? Hakane yan kanuri suna dayawa? ~~~ zanmaka wata tambaya, karka yi haushi fa~~. Meya hadasa Boko haram a kasahen kanuri haka?

genieluv:
Me thinks Ishalbash is saying the truth. ΦΦ yap he is ΦΦ
I live in Kaduna state and loads of my besties attend ABU zaria. The tuition fees in not as high as that for most courses except the post-graduate programs.

genieluv:
Pidgausa or Hausadgin, which is this?

Kenyanstar:
NO, thank you! i would rather follow the schools official fee structure.

Kenyanstar:
So whom should i trust the, universities fee structure indicated on their web link or you?