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hahahahaha. OAM4896Jay. You in pain, ol' buddy? My most favourite "Poor Arsefan." ![]() You making fun of my imaginary mother? Or my writing skills? Choose carefully, earthling. Either way, you're cooked! Finito! Epetodo boys must be the kind that need to learn their lessons the hard way. |
Katsumooootooooooooooo! Missing in Action. First Kilode?!, now Katsumoto. Something about K-names? ![]() Best I blame it on the gradual descent of Nairaland. ![]() More footy news: RM also scored 6, count 'em, S-I-X goals. Not a fan of the club, not even a fangirl of Special One anymore since he lost his damn mind. Just prefer La Liga to Premier League long-ball shoulder-barging football. [flash=460,300] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdnelkwXvc[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdnelkwXvc |
Hmmm. A 6-goal differential at Old Trafford. [flash=460,280] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eBvYdixlnA[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eBvYdixlnA Roma had it just as badly at Old Trafford. I still remember poor Totti's face as he was led away from the pitch. https://cache4.asset-cache.net/xr/73853716.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548AB628EA90D5691EA923EFF536E05AD076B24848DD3A0263CE30A760B0D811297 But, you thought this was going to be about Gunners 8-2 match and "Poor Arsefans," didn't you? No no no. I would not kick "Poor Arsefans" while they're down. Only a sick mofo, a sadist or DK would do such a thing. Most "Poor Arsefans" are good folk. And, I do have a number of [b]"Poor Arsefans" [/b]as friends. Poor Debosky - he's a true believer! I'm on your side, Blacksta. Stay strong, pal! ![]() |
AjanleKoko:What do you want to happen? ![]() I say we shut it down. Retire it. Delete it. Same difference. ![]() |
ola olabiy:She just called me on phone now - I tell you no lie. What should I tell her? ![]() She's fretting about the Abuja bombing; says she was told not to travel near mainland bridge in Lagos, nitori won n so'pe won tun ma so bomb si'be na. And of course, she went to a party today. lol. Is the sky blue?! A friend's birthday: "Nise ni ori mi n wu ni. Gbogbo awon omo e. . .won plan 60th birthday e, won surprise e ni o. Gbobgo won no wa!" hahahahahahaha. |
Nice. I heard a lot of Obey and Barrister as well, while growing up. Being more of a traditionalist in my music taste, I am really happy to be rediscovering the earlier ones all over again. Haruna Ishola - I was familiar with the name, but really didn't remember much of his songs. Another thing I'd love to see more of is an avenue for the "no-name" Nigerian traditional musicians to get their music out there and gain some fame and more financial reward for their talent and hard work. For example, we have this drummer/singers that come to our house every holiday and play the most lovely brilliant praise-songs. With their talking drums and impromptu orikis, it is truly something to witness. I used to look forward to it every year. I have a video of one of the bands during the last holiday, but you can see mother in the foreground getting her musical groove on, lol. If I could edit her owanbe-loving self out, I'd post it. lol. I wish those travelling musicians had an avenue to get their music to a wider audience, similar to what American no-talents are able to do by inundating Youtube with their karaoke nonsense. Seriously, eni to l'ori o ni fila, eni to ni fila o l'ori. |
ola olabiy:You like the songs? Which ones? Which artistes? ![]() |
Yeah, I went quiz-crazy again. It's not the oracle; just fun and relaxing. ![]() http://www.blogthings.com/areyoufictionornonfictionquiz/ You Are Nonfiction You are mentally sharp and clear-minded. Facts matter to you, and you remember them well. You are curious about the world, and many subjects interest you. You have a real thirst for knowledge. You are willing to listen to any point of view, as long as it's backed up with facts and logic. You have nothing against fiction, but you definitely feel like the real world is interesting enough as is! http://www.blogthings.com/whatfashiondecadebestsuitsyouquiz/ The 1950s Best Suit You You are chic yet classic. You are also a bit conservative in the way you dress. You believe that quality and style matter when it comes to clothes. You purchase carefully. You don't jump on every new trend. You only go for what looks good on you. Even if you have a great figure, you don't feel like you need to flaunt it. You are subtle in your sexiness. http://www.blogthings.com/whatkindofleaderwouldyoubequiz/ You Are a Laissez-Faire Leader You think that people should make their own decisions. You don't relish being a leader. You're much more likely to give guidance than orders. You are a firm believer in choice. You find that most people are more capable and wise than others give them credit for. Everyone has different needs, and whenever possible, you try to lead with that in mind. http://www.blogthings.com/whatisyoursoulmatelikequiz/ Your Soulmate is Reserved Substance matters to you, and you're not really drawn to flashy or overly outgoing people. You're looking for a partner who will last a lifetime, and your soulmate is equally serious about love. You aren't a romantic, but you don't mind a partner who is. In fact, you sort of prefer it. You've got your feet firmly planted on the ground, and you would like someone to get you up in the clouds occasionally! http://www.blogthings.com/howdoyouviewtheoutsideworldquiz/ You See the Outside World as Fascinating You are simply brilliant. You are bright, intelligent, and creative. You can't describe your feelings easily - even to yourself. Your emotions are a mystery. You are a truth seeker. You are willing to accept the real truth, no matter how difficult it is. You are not prone to compromise. You're set in your ways and proudly so. http://www.blogthings.com/howdoyourfriendsseeyouquiz/ Your Friends See You As Confident You automatically take charge when chaos or confusion arise. You know you make a good leader. You are strong and determined. You are ambitious and even stubborn at times. You are dominant, and you enjoy being in charge. You have vision and ambition. You have a vision of how your life should be. And you plan on getting there one day. http://www.blogthings.com/areyouawildchildquiz/ You Are a Styled Child You aren't exactly wild, but you aren't mild either. You strike a balance between your naughty and nice sides. You have a positive attitude. You try to keep a sunny disposition, even when life is getting you down. You like to let loose but you always maintain your composure. You are always classy. You love to have fun and take a risk as much as the next person. You never let yourself get out of control though. http://www.blogthings.com/theweirdotest/ https://www.blogthingsimages.com/theweirdotest/weirdo-3.png https://www.blogthingsimages.com/theweirdotest/weirdo-5.png https://www.blogthingsimages.com/theweirdotest/weirdo-2.png You Are Reserved Some may find you to be a bit harsh, but if anything you are a realist. You see things as they are. You are shy when it comes to romance. You are the type of person who waits to be approached. You are both practical and courageous. You are willing to act boldly when it really matters. You like to think before you talk or act. You want to do the right thing, and you refuse to be rushed. http://www.blogthings.com/howselfconsciousareyouquiz/ You Are Somewhat Self Conscious You look inward without being self absorbed about it. You believe it's important to know yourself. You are positive, optimistic, and downright sanguine. You see the world through rose colored glasses. You can dig deep. You are amazingly resourceful and resilient when you need to be. Like everyone else, you have your fair share of self-doubts. You try to rise above questioning yourself too much. http://www.blogthings.com/quizzes/?showall=yes http://www.blogthings.com/topics/ All the quizzes, Whew! |
EgbaAlake, the original poster of the below on Youtube is doing a yeoman's job sharing all these Nigerian classics with all of us. We can't thank him enough. ![]() [flash=380,220] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG7SnFmt84c[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG7SnFmt84c [flash=280,200] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYINGaUpsA[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYINGaUpsA [flash=260,200] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn1iF-1fu90[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn1iF-1fu90 [flash=320,240] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S3D6Ud-nAc[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S3D6Ud-nAc |
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Ola2, Fake tutors have invaded this space o ! ![]() |
TUNDE NIGHTINGALE (1922-1981), A LEGEND FOR ALL TIMES Tunde Nightingale Western as he was popularly known was born in lbadan in the late 40s. He was a soft spoken and unassuming person who added panache to his image by keeping the legendary singing bird, a Nightingale, in his home. Unlike the other stars of the era, Tunde Nightingale was an elusive character which helped to create the mystery surrounding him. He was casual in his approach to life as his dress sense would testify: always dressing in the same style of dress. Highly respected by his fellow musicians, his contemporaries included stars like the legendary I. K. Dairo and Dele Ojo. Tunde Nightingale was credited with the 'Owambe' system which became very popular amongst the corps of Lagos socialites who sponsored him on a tour aboard. On his return, he signed for the music label, TYC. In his life time he recorded up to 41 LPs. The pioneering nature of his music was to such an extent that modern stars like King Sunny Ade were known to have at one time or the other have played and experimented with his style. I won't link the site for this info, cos of potential malware, but Wiki has similar info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunde_Nightingale |
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OAM4J:[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScR7hSeqbWAiFze7QZBJSh7tCkMczgKJXZdYnYiMZYGeZhtT8ZXA[/img] |
arrangee:Dude, Posting your issue and seeking advice on Nairaland at this inopportune time, you're caught between a power struggle between the misogynists, the old wives and the feminists - this is evidenced by the crazy advice you're getting - not that it would be much different at another time. ![]() You're right, "100% ignore" does not work to get off your back a person set on ruining your day; having a violent, angry and frustrated person in your sanctuary will age you and keep you in perpetual misery. And who the hell tells a non-violent man to hit a woman to teach her a lesson? For crying out loud! Dude, you better not try it. You might find you like it, some wife-beating gene lurking underneath. arrangee:That is the best thing in your life, bro. There are no helpless children tying you together! Pick race! The family can get involved all they want; are they going to switch personalities with you all? This is crazy! Convince your wife you both need to move on with your lives; pay her off if you have to. You each married the wrong person. How much clearer does it need to be? It's not bad enough, you have to bring innocent children into this insane asylum? Later, come back here and tell us the fights you had when the kids are trying to sleep. lol. I'll totally report you all to the child welfare department. ![]() Seriously, Best of Luck to You Both for your Future. |
Back to Life! Caron Wheeler is a goddess. Very cool, as long as she doesn't try any complicated dance moves. Check out the gams on the dancer in the 2nd vid - Keep on Moving. Makes me wanna take up gymnastics or something. ![]() [flash=400,280] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB54dZkzZOY&ob[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB54dZkzZOY&ob [flash=480,300] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wfYrDyb66o[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wfYrDyb66o [flash=420,260] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNwOgUirIhQ[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNwOgUirIhQ |
Must Watch! PBS' Frontline investigation into events during New Orleans Katrina tragedy: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/law-disorder/ LAW & DISORDER: An on-air and online investigation into questionable police shootings by the New Orleans Police Department in the wake of Katrina. Introduction Henry Glover was last seen alive in the backseat of a white Chevy Malibu on Sept. 2, 2005, just days after Hurricane Katrina hit. Curled up and bleeding from a gunshot wound to the chest, Glover had been rushed to a temporary SWAT compound in the Algiers section of New Orleans by his brother Edward King and a Good Samaritan hoping to get medical attention. "When I got there, I thought they was going to help us," King says. "But all I hear is, 'Get out the car, get out the car.' So I'm hollering: 'My brother's shot. He's shot.' The first thing they did was put us in handcuffs. And I'm like: 'Why? We're coming for help.'" Glover would soon be dead. Later, his charred remains were discovered on the banks of the Mississippi River, inside a car that had apparently been set on fire. The man who found the grisly scene tells FRONTLINE, "The magnitude of the way [that car] was destroyed, it was telling a story." Now, five years after the hurricane, FRONTLINE, in partnership with ProPublica and The Times-Picayune, presents Law & Disorder. Beginning with the death of Henry Glover -- a case that has resulted in the indictment of five New Orleans police officers by a federal grand jury -- Law & Disorder digs deep into a number of incidents in which police shot civilians. It raises new questions about the actions of police officers -- and their command structure -- in the aftermath of the catastrophe. "What happened here in the days after Katrina would call into question whether the mayor and others helped create a climate in which the police felt justified in taking extreme measures to regain control over the city, ultimately setting this chain of events in motion that has completely turned the New Orleans Police Department upside down," says correspondent and ProPublica reporter A.C. Thompson, whose initial investigation of Glover's death sparked the federal probe back in late 2008. Law & Disorder reveals that, in the midst of post-Katrina chaos, law-enforcement commanders issued orders to ignore long-established rules governing use of deadly force. FRONTLINE reports that in one instance an NOPD captain told a group of officers: "We have authority by martial law to shoot looters." The order suggests a line was drawn from New Orleans' top officials to officers in the field. Could stealing food, water or a TV now mean a death sentence? Such a command, taken on its own, violates the intent of rules governing how and when police officers can use their guns. "The standards on deadly force are fairly clear," says Sam Walker, Emeritus Professor of Criminal Justice at the University of Nebraska. "An officer can use deadly force where there is a threat to someone's life … or that this person is armed and fleeing and likely to commit another armed offense. That's a very narrow range of situations." The Glover probe, which has led to charges of murder, obstruction of justice and civil rights violations, is one of at least nine ongoing federal investigations into the NOPD. Most involve actions taken by police in the days after the storm, including the Danziger Bridge incident, in which police shot six civilians, killing two. Five former officers have pleaded guilty to federal charges in connection with the Danziger case thus far. "People had been in the [Superdome] for several days and there was lawlessness on the street," Sally Forman, then press secretary for New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, tells FRONTLINE in her first television interview about what happened in central command during Katrina. "That's when the mayor says: 'Let's stop search and rescue and bring our force back to controlling the streets. Let's stop the looting, let's stop the lawlessness, and let's put our police officers on the streets, so that our citizens are protected.'" "I never declared martial law," former Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco tells FRONTLINE. "I just decided that we needed to make a very strong statement to calm the media down and to calm the citizenry down … to show that we were in control of the environment." "I remember at the time [former NOPD] Deputy Police Chief [Warren] Riley walked up in a pair of blue jeans, his uniform shirt and a ball cap, saying that we were not going to allow the looters to take the city; we were going to more or less protect the borders of it and march through downtown and take the city back," says Kevin Diel, a former NOPD officer. "It was a very broad order. What exactly did he mean, you know? Does he expect us, rank and file, to go through the streets, you know, shooting looters? Or how do you take a city that's underwater, you know?" "We believed that we would lose officers, or were losing officers," Riley ultimately tells FRONTLINE. "We believed that people were shooting at our helicopters initially. That turned out not to be the case." "The NOPD is a department that is in great need of work," federal prosecutor Jim Letten tells FRONTLINE. "It is in need of restoration, reformation … an absolute complete transformation, which has to happen, if NOPD is to survive as an effective law enforcement agency. . . I think it's necessary even to the survival of this city." http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/law-disorder/etc/synopsis.html |
Syria disqualified from 2014 World Cup AP – Fri, Aug 19, 2011 ZURICH (AP) — Syria was thrown out of the qualifying tournament for the 2014 World Cup on Friday after fielding an ineligible player. FIFA reinstated Tajikistan in its place. Despite previously representing Sweden, striker George Mourad played in last month's qualifier against Tajikistan. He scored in the first leg, which Syria won 6-1 on aggregate. Tajikistan will take Syria's place in Group C of Asia qualifying along with Japan, Uzbekistan and North Korea. Mourad played for Sweden in qualifying for the 2003 Under-21 European Championship and exhibitions for the country's senior side in 2005. http://news.yahoo.com/syria-disqualified-2014-world-cup-161010173.html |
harakiri:Harakiri, Is something very wrong with you, old boy? |
SarahMaria: Are you the stepmum? WTF! ![]() |
Checked out the below Ghana website; first thing I saw was the below. (There's already a discussion somewhere on NL about the song.) The lyrics are actually quite funny and mostly tongue-in-cheek. I still love Ghanaians sha, but I have a mind to go wreak havoc on that site. http://discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=139847&sid=06657571f16d41d80fef113599a05cf9 http://discussions.ghanaweb.com/index.php Thank God We're Not A Nigerians - FOKN Bois Kofi is a common name, that’s what even I say But a Ghana man will never call a child Friday Thank God we’re not Nigerians Always shouting very loud, don’t know how to whisper And why say Mistor, instead of Mister Thank God we’re not a Nigerians You like school more than any African I’ve seen Simple thirteen, you still say tharteen Thank God we’re not a Nigerians They ban the whole team, you can’t even play Can’t you just say Hi, what is Ki lon sele Thank God we’re not a Nigerians You barely qualify, then get stuck President Goodluck but you still suck Thank God we’re not Nigerians Instead of Hamburger or Pizza with ham You eat Egusi with pounded yam Thank God we’re not Nigerians Always trying to show off, even when you eat One soup, no vegetable but twelve different meat Thank God we’re not a Nigerians Fela was a great Musician, yes of course but why 27 wifes one red dross Thank God we’re not Nigerians You created Nollywood,yes more of it But too many witches and wizards in your film Thank God we’re not a Nigerians Always in traditional wear everywhere Haven’t you hear of Armani wear Thank God we’re not a Nigerians For example shining five piece agbada You can look very good in Dolce and Gabbana Thank God we’re not a Nigerians Not going anywhere fast, let’s just stroll Traffic everywhere, many bad bad roads Thank God we’re not a Nigerians No street light from Oregun to Ikeja Four four, join join two two on okada Thank God we’re not a Nigerians Extra page in your passport to pass and go You have learn very well from Obasanjo Thank God we’re not Nigerians Email fraud, Pyramid, 419 Oh that’s not fine Thank God we’re not a Nigerians But at least you are better than Liberians |
[quote author=deal_ordea link=topic=740204.msg8964584#msg8964584 date=1313785271]My love, I know I have made a ton of mistakes but I would like to put those behind us, if at all possible, so we can move on with the rest of our lives, live on with the good and leave the bad behind us. I know that will be hard, especially after all that I have done . . . I love you. I will never leave you; I want you, I need you. You are the greatest! I love you, my sweet, so please can you forgive me? Love always[/quote]Hope she forgives you now that you've eaten some humble pie and subjected yourself to the I hope you didn't do anything really bad/unforgivable o Good luck. |
arrangee:OP, You better run! Surely, life's too short to be so miserable. Unless you already have children together. Then it's gonna be misery for the rest of both your lives. ![]() |
mukina2:Oops! My bad. Call me. https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/101.gif 404-266-2278. OAM4J:Esqueeze me a moment. I'm on phone. https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/100.gif |
OAM4J:https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif This is even better: [size=14pt] www.NigeriansAreTheBestAtEverything.com/BestAccents/Isale_Gan2.html[/size] |
There's always one in the group. lol. Yes, oga OAM4J, I agree Nigerian accents deserve it's place, maybe even higher, on the list. ![]() I declare that I have a Nigerian/English/Continental/NONDESCRIPT accent. What's your point?! It's very attractive. "Sexy"? I don't know. Is there a way to post one's voice on NL without having to go post video on YouTube first? ![]() |
Nigerian Accent Ranked Fifth Sexiest In The World By CNN https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-739028.0.html http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/life/worlds-sexiest-accents-130333?page=0,1 1) Italian 2) French 3) 4) 5) Nigerian 6) Irish ![]() I agree, FRENCH and ITALIAN languages and accents are very attractive. French is a precise language, traditional, beautiful, romantic and melodic; Italian is very expressive - men and women both draw you in when they talk. SPANISH? CNN is so crap! Are they talking about Spaniards? Or Latin Americans? I don't find any Spanish accent attractive. Not one bit! True story: i) Took a taxi this afternoon - the driver was Mexican. Soooo? Attractive accent? Not at all. ii) And I just listened to a voice mail from a Russian friend (how different is a Czech accent from a Russky's?) Eastern European accents don't sound too hot sha. High-pitched sing-songy in parts but not "sexy"? All right, she's a girl. I imagine most of this survey, if there actually was a survey, and not some CNN intern pulling figures from the sky, are more women's opinion of men's accents. Just forget about the IRISH brogue. That's a touch and go. ![]() Now, to the daddy of them all! NIGERIAN accent. At first, I did a double-take, cos no Nigerian accent would make my original list of top 5, no offense! Then I thought, seriously, if you start with a process of elimination, I can see how the Nigerian accent would be considered attractive, to the point of ranking 5th (Okay CNN are full of it, but we'll give them a pass here). Start with the most well-known accents and most populous people in the world: Is the Indian accent attractive in any way, to anyone, at any time? What about the German, Aussie, South African or Japanese/Chinese accents? Assault on my eardrum! Fact is, Nigerians have a lot of self-confidence; confidence is very attractive (read: sexy) to Yanks, whose women are very likely the main respondents to this non-scientific research. Considering all these unshakeable facts, I'm quite surprised Naija accent didnt come FIRST. Ojoro ni o. ![]() |
Mourinho's lost the plot. [flash=400,280] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECjabrwQVSg[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECjabrwQVSg Soccer Insider: Lionel Messi goal in 88th minute lifts Barcelona against Real Madrid to Spanish Super Cup title, 3-2 Washington Post Posted at 06:57 PM ET, 08/17/2011 Lionel Messi’s second goal of the match, a 10-yard volley in the 88th minute, lifted FC Barcelona to a 3-2 victory over Real Madrid in the second leg of the Spanish Super Cup on Wednesday. The European titans played to a 2-2 draw in Madrid last weekend. Newly signed Cesc Fabregas crossed to Messi for the go-ahead strike, just six minutes after Karim Benzema provided the equalizer for Real. Andres Iniesta scored for Barcelona in the 15th minute, assisted by Messi, and Cristiano Ronaldo leveled the match five minutes later before Messi scored his first goal late in the opening half. The game ended in chaos after Real Madrid’s Marcelo was sent off for taking down Fabregas from behind in front of the benches. Real Manager Jose Mourinho was involved in the scuffle, which spun out of control for several minutes. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/post/lionel-messi-goal-in-88th-minute-lifts-barcelona-against-real-madrid-to-spanish-super-cup-title-3-2/2011/08/17/gIQANP34LJ_blog.html It all ended in a brawl. [flash=460,320] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rEMvJnuX-M[/flash] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rEMvJnuX-M |
I made a post at 621AM yesterday, but the bot got me. Check my profile to read the 1st chapter of one of my faves. Ch4: "Jem was a born hero." ![]() Still wondering. . .where is my Kilode?! What have they done to him? ![]() |
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Arsefan." 
Either way, you're cooked! Finito! Epetodo boys must be the kind that need to learn their lessons the hard way.


"Sexy"? I don't know. Is there a way to post one's voice on NL without having to go post video on YouTube first?