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hahahahaha.

Did you notice the other changes Seun made?

1) I know I can't modify any longer.  Don't know if it's forum-wide; I know your previously mentioned that your (education) thread was set-up that way - no edit/modifying of posted messages.

2) Nairaland section and General section are now one.

Overall, good moves.  Not aware of any others yet.


I so much want this thread to reach page 100 and go into the archives, like YESTERDAY!  I may just start posting a video per message.  Afterall, the end should be a party! 

Becomerich. 
  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-249270.0.html#msg369853

Toba is reverting back to his incorrigible self. He was fine for a few weeks. I'm suspecting his other moniker might be Frosbel the Sociopath.

JeSoul:
Hehe . . .  who wants to be 'all sweet' with no punch? 
Common now Isale NL's freshest chick, I know you got skills sharper than that. FA section is a very small family of posters hence very easy to know who's active in here . . . compared to the madhouse that is the religion section, unless you're posting every other second you don't really show up on the radar . . . besides you can click on my last posts now  yeye girl 

As for our brother Cap, I have told him many times he remains my brother. If my crime is refusing to esteem my own race above another, refusing to worship on the altar of black power where Farrakhan serves as the high priest sacrificing common humanity for reckless & racist philosophies - then guilty as charged. I will continue to throw a wet blanket and smolder out the fire . . . lest the God in heaven that I claim to worship be ashamed of me for only loving those neighbors who look like me.

I'm not naive, I know there are racist elements in low & high places, and both black & white are fighting against them. I only hope that all our life experiences will endear us towards the more progressive virtues of inclusiveness - rather than those that forever pepertuate an endless cycle of 'us vs them'. Cheerios sister

I was just teasing, Jesweet. Wasn't serious at all about where you post. lol. Anyway, I can't help myself. I'm a "troublemaker."

As for the rest, there's a difference between relationship(s) with people of other races, and political based differences.  Many of the most ardent freedom-fighters have closest inter-racial relationships.  Sidney Poitier is married to a white woman and is loved by whites and trusted by them so much so they'll pair him with a blind white girl in a movie without batting an eye.  Yet, he is one of the most "anti-establishment" blacks out there.  Anytime there was someone being oppresed, dude was there, in the background helping out.  Same thing with Harry Belafonte.  Meanwhile, most of the ones playing to the stereotype of the tough niggar hanging with the homies will be the first to sell their people down the river.  I know this is a much more complex and time-consuming discussion.  I simply used the simplest example I could find.   

Cap28, like many people like him, probably has more education in "all-white" environment, spent more time around (and has more friends and colleagues who are) white, than your typical Black.  I don't think he's a white-hating guy.  I just don't think you're understanding where he's coming from AT ALL!  All my friends could be white and I could be able to call on them at a moment's notice and always have them have my back.  That's got nothing to do with fighting an entrenched and racist system and it doesn't mean that you believe all whites are evil.  I don't have time to get deeper.  But, I'm sure others will.

So long.  We still have to braid your hair.  Ouch! 

This is what I should have been doing all along: breaking my posts into little bits. 

I'd have reached page 100 this weekend. 

And whoever had something to say (K1, K2, 4J, etc) would have to gbe'mi! 

Yaaaaaayyyyy! Page 9 and 9.

Also, you can't modify your posts anymore. Or is that just for me? lol. Seun was busy overnight.

hahahahaha.

Moved. Again! Oh well. I was kinda expecting it. This is def a record. I'll take it!

1) Foreign Affairs, to
2) Travel Section, to
3) Nairaland, to
4) GENERAL section, ♫ where he lays his gentle head ♪



Come on, page 99-100.

Correction on my earlier post: I actually posted in here before, almost 2 years ago. lol.

Nyme:
She still needs you otherwise what's your number still doing in her phone? All dat story abt calling her cousin "RAY" is pretense. Wait n see if she won't call again.

It's a catch-22. If you delete the number, you won't make the mistake of calling them; but if you still have the number saved with their name, you can quickly recognize the caller when they call you.

Anyway, considering all the information provided by the OP, sounds like the Ex still wants to stay in touch.

Anti-Qaddafi Fighters Are Accused of Torture

By KAREEM FAHIM

Published: September 30, 2011

TRIPOLI, Libya — First there were the blindfold, the wrist-scarring handcuffs and the death threats. Then came beatings and electric shocks. In the fog of pain, the detainee, who said he had done nothing wrong, would have confessed to anything, he later recalled.

The techniques were familiar to Libyans, but the perpetrators were not: they were former rebels, according to the detainee, a 36-year-old man who said he had worked in military intelligence for the government of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

The man, who requested that his name not be published because he feared retribution from his former captors, said he was arrested by armed former rebels almost two weeks ago, held in a building for four days and tortured.

His story was impossible to immediately verify, but he displayed what he said was evidence of the torture: huge bruises and welts on his legs, stripes of black and blue across the back of his thighs, and scars on his feet and ankles that he said marked the spots where his captors attached electrical wires.

He was later transferred to another building in Tripoli, across the street from the cabinet offices of the Transitional National Council, the former rebels’ provisional government. There, in cells with fresh blood on the walls, he was held for another day until he was released, with apologies, by a former rebel official, he said.

Now, he is moving to Tunisia, he said. “I do not trust anyone in Libya.”

His case underscores the growing concern about armed brigades of former rebel fighters in the Libyan capital who rushed to fill the power vacuum after Colonel Qaddafi’s forces fled more than a month ago. In a city with weak central authority and a justice system being rebuilt almost from scratch, the fighters have become detectives, prosecutors, judges and jailers, many of whom answer only to their own commanders, or to no one.

The fighters have detained thousands of people; some are criminal suspects, former officials or Qaddafi soldiers. Others simply come from towns that opposed the revolution. Some are being held in prisons, others at makeshift, and sometimes secret, detention centers.

Some are being tortured. The ordeal of the 36-year-old detainee bore similarities to cases recorded by the group Human Rights Watch in six facilities administered by the anti-Qaddafi forces in Tripoli. In a report released Friday, the group said that detainees reported abuse including beatings and electric shocks. None of the 53 detainees interviewed, the group said, had been brought before a judge.

“What we’re seeing is a symptom of a fundamental problem,” said Tom Malinowski, the group’s Washington director. “Civilians have good plans but lack authority over the militia groups.” Mr. Malinowski credited the transitional government with allowing observers to visit detention centers, and said that some were well run. He added, “I doubt there’s a civilian official who knows where all the facilities are.”

Human Rights Watch reported that many of the people arrested by militias, brigades and other security groups associated with the transitional government were sub-Saharan Africans or dark-skinned Libyans. In some cases, the former rebel guards at detention facilities forced sub-Saharan African prisoners to perform manual labor.

Detainees suspected of the most serious crimes, including murder and rape, received the worst abuse, the report said.

The 36-year-old detainee said bad luck, not guilt, had led to his arrest and torture, after he tried to buy a gun to replace one confiscated by the former rebels. Soon, the man found himself accused of supplying arms to a Qaddafi cell.

From their accents, he guessed that some of his captors were from the mountain city of Zintan. One was kind, loosening his blindfold and his handcuffs. Another asked him to write his life story on a few sheets of paper.

He broke down crying, he recalled. “How can I write my whole life story? What do they want from me?”

The beatings started on the third day. Some guards cursed him as a former intelligence officer, and others chanted, “The blood of the martyrs will not be shed in vain.” He was strung from the ceiling and his legs were beaten, he said.

On the fourth day, he was transferred to a former government building in Tripoli. His fellow captives, he said, included someone accused of wearing a pro-Qaddafi hat, several women and a man who had been helping the transitional government secure the former government’s secret files.

A doctor treated him, and one of his captors congratulated him on being cleared of wrongdoing, adding, “This is a clean revolution.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/world/africa/anti-qaddafi-fighters-are-accused-of-torture.html?ref=middleeast

[quote author=pres-elect link=topic=708760.msg9247308#msg9247308 date=1317339514]@Cap28
why you de enter jesoul na? Jesoul is my personal person. She's not like that.[/quote]heehehehehe.  I know she seems sweet and stuff.  But that little spitfire is deceptively harmless joo.

Hey, Jesuit, ain'tcha the religion moderator?  How come every time I see you, your heinie is parked over here in the foreign affairs section giving Cap28 a coronary? 

I'm not cheeky. 

maasoap:
@All, I know the meaning of "self denial" and I have no reason to lie to you. My heart belongs to person at a time and someone is already in possession of it. The D-Day has already been fixed, point of no return. Please, don't read another meanings to this post other than the way I presented it to you.

Yes, it's hard.  But you've been talking on the phone with the former girlfriend for 2 months and you still haven't told her you're not available?   Imagine what your fiancee will say if she finds out.

During that two years, I gave the relationship everything but I expected only commitment on her part in return which was a mirage. My concern is that she'll be devastated to hear the truth. In less than the next 24 hours, all will know the outcome. How I wish I could revenge because she lead me through the passage of "love hell" but I can't.

You're very eloquent.   Are you available?   lol.

Better learn quickly how to say "No," old boy.

Where  is page 99 already?  It says "page 99" after each post I make, only to discover we're still on 98.  All those posts spam-bot won't release is what's doing it!    BTW, if you click on the NL "print" option, it not only displays all 99 pages on one screen, but it also shows all previously spam-botted posts.  I know this cos I had a few posts in my profile that are still not visible in this thread.  Thanks a lot Mrs. Spam-Bot!


Okay, so while I was researching a totally unrelated topic, this came up about Nairaland:

NairaBrains: Technology
Is Nairaland.com gradually dying?
September 30, 2011   
Before Now Nairaland was the most popular and trafficked site in Nigeria owned by a Nigerian (Seun) according to alexa. However over the past few months things have changed, Nairaland has lost its grip and is now trailing Vanguard News website. Though alexa ranking is largely incorrect, any frequent Nairaland user would know the site is no longer as before in terms of volume of interaction and comments.

What is the cause?
I think the rise of Facebook, 2go, Google Plus and other Social Networks has taken its toll on Nairaland. Nairaland has also refused to innovate. Seun may have strong reasons for refusing to add new features to Nairaland but when you don’t innovate, you stand a risk of going into extinct. Nothing is as constant as change, people want to use things that are easy, interactive, personalized and engaging hence the shift from Forums to Social Networks.

Despite the drop, Nairaland is still the most popular site when it comes to interaction, breaking news etc among Nigerian.

Many Nigerians still like Nairaland including me, Seun should find a way and develop a unique social Network based on pattern of interaction between the current users and run it parallel with current Nairaland site with option for users to opt into the new service. The new service should be structured in a way that current Nairaland features will still be prominent but increasing interactivity and socialization.

Its not going to be easy but I strongly think its necessary!

http://nairabrains.com/2011/09/is-nairaland-com-gradually-dying/

Well, I just have to say: They've ruined Google for me!  Thanks a lot! 

"what happened to google cached"

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web+Search/thread?tid=59fd52d9126b27b3&hl=en

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x793962

It's not great quality, but special cos it's such a rare thing.
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Stevie Wonder, "As"

As around the sun the earth knows she's revolving
And the rosebuds know to bloom in early May
Just as hate knows love's the cure
You can rest your mind assure
That I'll be loving you always
As now can't reveal the mystery of tomorrow
But in passing will grow older every day
Just as all is born is new
Do know what I say is true
That I'll be loving you always

(Until the rainbow burns the stars out in the sky)
ALWAYS
(Until the ocean covers every mountain high)
ALWAYS
(Until the dolphin flies and parrots live at sea)
ALWAYS
Until we dream of life and life becomes a dream

Did you know that true love asks for nothing
Her acceptance is the way we pay
Did you know that life has given love a guarantee
To last through forever and another day
Just as time knew to move on since the beginning
And the seasons know exactly when to change
Just as kindness knows no shame
Know through all your joy and pain
That I'll be loving you always
As today I know I'm living but tomorrow
Could make me the past but that I mustn't fear
For I'll know deep in my mind
The love of me I've left behind
Cause I'll be loving you always

(Until the day is night and night becomes the day)
ALWAYS
(Until the trees and seas just up and fly away)
ALWAYS
(Until the day that 8x8x8 is 4)
ALWAYS
(Until the day that is the day that are no more)
Did you know that you're loved by somebody?
(Until the day the earth starts turning right to left)
ALWAYS
(Until the earth just for the sun denies itself)
I'll be loving you forever
(Until dear Mother Nature says her work is through)
ALWAYS
(Until the day that you are me and I am you)
ALWAYS
(Until the rainbow burns the stars out in the sky)
ALWAYS

We all know sometimes lifes hates and troubles
Can make you wish you were born in another time and space
But you can bet you life times that and twice its double
That God knew exactly where he wanted you to be placed
So make sure when you say you're in it but not of it
You're not helping to make this earth a place sometimes called Hell
Change your words into truths and then change that truth into love
And maybe our children's grandchildren
And their great-great grandchildren will tell

I'll be loving you
Until the rainbow burns the stars out in the sky--Loving you
Until the ocean covers every mountain high--Loving you
Until the dolphin flies and parrots live at sea--Loving you
Until we dream of life and life becomes a dream--Be loving you
Until the day is night and night becomes the day--Loving you
Until the trees and seas up, up and fly away--Loving you
Until the day that 8x8x8x8 is 4--Loving you
Until the day that is the day that are no more--Loving you
Until the day the earth starts turning right to left--Be loving you
Until the earth just for the sun denies itself--Loving you
Until dear Mother Nature says her work is through--Loving you
Until the day that you are me and I am you
Now ain't that loving you
Until the rainbow burns the stars out in the sky
Ain't that loving you
Until the ocean covers every mountain high
And I've got to say always

(Until the dolphin flies and parrots live at sea)
ALWAYS
(Until we dream of life and life becomes a dream)
Um ALWAYS
(Until the day is night and night becomes the day)
ALWAYS
(Until the trees and seas just up and fly away)
ALWAYS
(Until the day that 8x8x8 is 4)
ALWAYS
(Until the day that is the day that are no more)
ALWAYS
(Until the day the earth starts turning right to left)
ALWAYS
(Until the earth just for the sun denies itself)
ALWAYS
(Until dear Mother Nature says her work is through)
ALWAYS

Until the day that you are me and I am you
Until the rainbow burns the stars out in the sky
Until the ocean covers every mountain high
Until the dolphin flies and parrots live at sea
Until we dream of life and life becomes a dream
Until the day is night and night becomes the day
Until the trees and seas just up and fly away
Until the day that 8x8x8 is 4
Until the day that is the day that are no more
Until the day the earth starts turning right to left
Until the earth just for the sun denies itself
Until dear Mother Nature says her work is through
Until the day that you are me and I am you

Interesting.  Just happened upon this.  Coincidentally, it's about an immigrant in New York. 

Stuck in Bed for 19 Months, at Hospital’s Expense

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ON Jan. 4, 2010, Raymond Fok was changing trains on his way to kidney dialysis treatment when he collapsed on the Canal Street subway platform. Emergency medical technicians examined him and took him by ambulance to the nearest hospital, New York Downtown, near the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge. Workers in the emergency room recorded that Mr. Fok’s speech was slurred and that he was lurching from side to side when he walked.

“He was a very typical hemorrhagic stroke,” said Jeffrey Menkes, the hospital’s president. From the emergency room, the hospital admitted Mr. Fok to the intensive-care unit on the third floor, where workers tried to find out more about their patient — not just his medical history, but his insurance or Medicaid status, his address, his Social Security or taxpayer identification number, the location of family members.

Once his condition had stabilized, the hospital moved him to a regular room on the fifth floor, where staff members expected to treat him for 7 to 10 days before discharging him to a sub-acute-care center for rehabilitation, the usual regimen for stroke victims.

Nineteen months later, Mr. Fok, 58, greeted a reporter from his bed in Room 516, eager to have a visitor. In the previous year and a half, perhaps 100 or more patients had come and gone from the room’s other bed, but Mr. Fok had gone nowhere. “Yes, I remember you,” he said. “John, right?”

The price of his treatment: $1.4 million.

And who was paying for it?

“The government,” Mr. Fok guessed, though he was not sure. “The hospital is losing money.”

In a city with a large immigrant population, it is not rare for hospitals to have one or more patients who, for reasons unrelated to their medical condition, do not seem to leave. At Downtown, where a bed costs the hospital more than $2,000 a day, there are currently three long-term patients who no longer need acute care but cannot be discharged because they have nowhere to go. The hospital pays nearly all costs for these patients’ treatment. One man left recently after a stay of more than five years.

They are the forgotten people in the health care system — uninsured, usually undocumented, without resources and stuck in the system’s most expensive course of care. Some are abandoned by or estranged from relatives; some belong in rehabilitation centers, where care is much cheaper, but because of their immigration status they are not enrolled in Medicaid or Medicare, so the places will not take them. For hospitals, some of these patients, like Mr. Fok, come in as medical cases and then quickly become puzzles for detective work.

Mr. Fok released the hospital to discuss his treatment, which involved every department of the staff, from laundry and food services to psychiatric care, social work and community outreach.

“The first two or three months was a hard time,” Mr. Fok said from his hospital bed, the left side of his face still partially frozen from the stroke. He had a tattoo around one arm and two lumps on his bare leg where the dialysis needles removed and then returned his blood three times a week. He has spent 23 years in the United States, but his English remains rudimentary.

In the beginning, he said, “always I thought, how long before I go out? Because when you wake up in the same room every day it’s the same thing, ‘When I can get out?’ It’s always depressing. But day by day, day by day, you don’t need to worry about what will happen, because when you wake up it’s always the same room.”

RAYMOND FOK was born in Madagascar and grew up in Hong Kong, where he became a police officer. In 1988, he brought his wife and two young sons on what he told officials was a vacation in New York, and then never returned. Mr. Fok left some question about his reasons for overstaying the family’s tourist visas, repeating that he had feared Hong Kong’s approaching handover to the Chinese government, though at the time this was nine years away.

In New York he found a job at a vegetable market in Chinatown, earning $5 an hour to feed a family of four — and soon, with the birth of his daughter 18 years ago, five. A friend helped him rent an apartment in a heavily Chinese section of Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, and taught him to navigate the subways. But the friend refused to help him apply for permanent residence, Mr. Fok said.

Eventually he landed a job driving a truck for a Chinese-owned company in New Jersey, at $400 a week, off the books, with no insurance benefits, he said. He had a driver’s license and bought a car to commute.

“Make a life, pay rent, support a family,” he said. His wife worked in a laundry on Delancey Street. His sons went to school and later found jobs in bodegas or bagel shops. It was enough.

But driving was stressful, with no extra pay for overtime, and he lived on fatty foods consumed on the go. When his kidneys failed, an emergency-care provision in Medicaid paid for dialysis treatments, though he was otherwise ineligible for coverage.

Much more here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/nyregion/stuck-in-bed-for-19-months-at-hospitals-expense.html?hp
Reader Comment: "Hospital food for 18 months? This is a clear violation of his civil rights."

Some sentiments similar to what you hear fron Naijas.  Anyway, I still favour a movement in the other direction.  Yes, it starts with me.  
I wonder who emigrates more - Naijas or Russkies? 


Putin’s Eye for Power Leads Some in Russia to Ponder Life Abroad
MOSCOW — “Time to shove off” is the name of a Web site for people who are fed up with life in Russia, and it is becoming a catchphrase for those dismayed by the newly announced plans of Vladimir V. Putin to keep a grip on power for perhaps two more terms as president.

“A year ago I told all my friends who were leaving that I would never do that, no way!” wrote a magazine editor named Yevgeniya Lobacheva in a posting on another Web site. “But I have only one life. Twelve years! I will be 43!”

Mr. Putin has already been in power for 12 years — the first eight as president, the past four as a prime minister with de facto executive power. Now, the prospect of what many Russians are already calling a “period of stagnation” has set off a new wave of declarations of nonallegiance to a nation where corruption and an inflexible top-down system are squeezing off options for change and personal advancement.

“I want to live in a country where I don’t need to break the rules to live in comfort,” said Stepan Chizhov, 29, who markets board games like Monopoly and is preparing to leave for Canada with his wife next summer.

“I just don’t want to have to fight the system,” Mr. Chizhov said. “I want the system to be a comfort to me. I want to live easily. And there’s no possibility in Russia in the next 20 years to follow the laws, follow the rules and live in comfort.”

Lev D. Gudkov, director of the Levada Center, a polling agency, said that about 50,000 people leave Russia every year and that this number could grow by 10,000 or 15,000 in the future.

“There will be a dark and depressive mood in society,” Mr. Gudkov said. “The situation is uncertain, there is a growth of anxiety, a feeling of stagnation and degradation.”

Some analysts are already calling this the sixth wave of Russian emigration — the first began in 1917 after the Bolshevik Revolution, and the most recent is considered to be the post-Soviet departures of the early 1990s.

In defining this sixth wave, Dmitri Oreshkin, a political scientist, said in an often-quoted article this year: “It’s basically just those who in the 1990s, because of their youth and innate optimism, believed that freedom would finally come and Russia would become a normal country. The Putin decade sobered them up.”

Twenty years after the fall of the Soviet Union, many in the educated middle class, who had hoped to be part of a maturing, modernizing society, feel themselves instead being tugged backward.

“This past haunts us,” said Andrei Zolotov Jr., deputy director of the international service of the RIA Novosti news agency, “this fear: what if they close the borders? That is one of the fears in the background.”

Indeed, it may be Russia’s history of emigration that gives rise to an ingrained emotional response to adversity: time to shove off.

Most people who say this do not really mean it, said Ilya Klishin, 24, a blogger and journalist, calling their remarks “depression multiplied by fatalism and driven to the absurd.”

In a blog post titled, “I will not leave,” he wrote: “How can I surrender my country to insane ghouls and watch from a safe distance as it dies?”

The departures are particularly damaging because they are sapping Russia of its most qualified people, experts say. Those who leave are three times more likely to have higher education than those who stay, Mr. Oreshkin said.

President Dmitri A. Medvedev, who is expected to swap places with Mr. Putin as prime minister after an election in March, has complained repeatedly about a brain drain and has said, without offering specifics, that the government should create “favorable conditions” for scientists and others to remain. . .

More here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/world/europe/putins-eye-for-power-leads-some-in-russia-to-ponder-life-abroad.html?ref=world

buzugee:
98 pages. this must be in the guiness book of record or someting  wagwan isale_gan2 whappun luv . speaking of tony terry. that brother could blow. saw him on TV recently. apparently anita baker, who didnt know him, heard the song somewhere, and said to herself, this song needs a video, who sang this song ?. she looked for him, found him, and then gave him $50,000 of her own cash to go make a video for the song. TRUE STORY

That is why I like you, Badagry.  You know something about EVERY-THING!  And a lot about many things.    We should get along like. . .  a house on fire (?), but alas 

Have a good sabbath, my Broda.

P.S.
About Anita Baker. I remember watching a TV feature/interview, about a tour she was on, where she was feuding with her band, and just about everyone had been alienated by her.  I don't know if it was simply that she was just so demanding as an artiste, or just a personality flaw where she didn't get along with anyone.

One more thing on her, I could never find enough info about her past life.  I heard through word of mouth, an unverified rumour about how a previous marriage/relationship had ended (not the husband with whom she had 2 boys after she was already successful o).  Can't repeat it because I never saw this "charge" in the press anywhere.  But if you listen to her song, "Fairy Tales" and you've heard this rumour, it'll give you the heebie jeebies.    You also can't find too much biography on her in reputable places.  I respect that; she didn't seek the limelight much - just made great music. 

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BTW, ahead of COMPOSITIONS, I would consider RHYTHM OF LOVE her seminal work.  She went into a period of being a stay-at-home after that and was not heard from again for a loooong time after.  She later released a self-published album which was, frankly speaking, as a fan, very disappointing.  I just saw on Wiki that she released an album this year?  Will check that out today. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/world/american-strike-on-american-target-revives-contentious-constitutional-issue.html?ref=middleeast

Judging a Long, Deadly Reach

WASHINGTON — The killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen struck on Friday by a missile fired from a drone aircraft operated by his own government, instantly reignited a difficult debate over terrorism, civil liberties and the law.

For the Obama administration, Mr. Awlaki, 40, had joined the enemy in wartime, shifting from propaganda to an operational role in plots devised in Yemen by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula against the United States. Early last year, officials quietly decided that his actions justified making him a target for capture or death like any other Qaeda leader.

But a range of civil libertarians and Muslim-American advocates questioned how the government could take an American citizen’s life based on secret intelligence and without a trial. They said that killing him amounted to summary execution without the due process of law guaranteed by the Constitution.

That argument was pressed unsuccessfully in federal court last year by the American Civil Liberties Union and Mr. Awlaki’s father, Nasser al-Awlaki, a former agriculture minister and university chancellor in Yemen. A federal judge threw out their lawsuit, noting that the younger Mr. Awlaki had shown no interest in pursuing a claim in an American justice system he despised.

On Friday, Jameel Jaffer, the A.C.L.U.’s deputy legal director, said that the drone strike, which killed Mr. Awlaki and another American, Samir Khan, violated United States and international law. “As we’ve seen today, this is a program under which American citizens far from any battlefield can be executed by their own government without judicial process, and on the basis of standards and evidence that are kept secret not just from the public, but from the courts,” Mr. Jaffer said.

Robert M. Chesney, a law professor at the University of Texas who specializes in national security law, said he believed that the killings were legal. But he said it was “plenty controversial” among legal specialists, with experts on the left and on the libertarian right deeply opposed to such targeted killings of Americans.

The administration’s legal argument in the case of Mr. Awlaki appeared to have three elements. First, he posed an imminent threat to the lives of Americans, having participated in plots to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner in 2009 and to bomb two cargo planes last year. Second, he was fighting alongside the enemy in the armed conflict with Al Qaeda. And finally, in the chaos of Yemen, there was no feasible way to arrest him.

Critics noted that the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states that no one shall be “deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” In ordinary circumstances, a trial and conviction would be required before government officials could order an execution.

No public legal process led to Mr. Awlaki’s becoming the first American citizen to be placed on the C.I.A.’s list of Qaeda-linked terrorists to be captured or killed. Officials said that every name added to the list underwent a careful, if secret, legal review. Because of Mr. Awlaki’s citizenship, the decision to add him to the target list was approved by the National Security Council as well.

The legal debate is complicated by the fact that precedents involve the military detention of Americans who sided with the enemy during World War II — not the killing of Americans in a highly unconventional war against terrorists.

“What’s tricky here is that many people don’t accept that this is a war,” Professor Chesney said. “I don’t think there has ever been a case quite like this.”

It was, of course, Mr. Awlaki’s very American qualities — his fluency in the language and culture of the country where he spent half his life — that made him such a dangerous radicalizing force.

The American-educated son of an American-educated Yemeni technocrat, Mr. Awlaki embodied the puzzle of radicalization: How could an American citizen reach the point of calling in eloquent English, via the megaphone of the Internet, for the mass murder of his fellow citizens?

His eerily calm religious justifications for violence, recycled across the Web for years, had a profound impact on a small number of young Muslims in the United States, Canada and Britain. In a score of plots since 2006, investigators discerned Mr. Awlaki as an important influence — his written, audio and video sermons stored on hard drives, e-mailed among conspirators and treated as a clerical imprimatur for their deeds.

Mr. Awlaki was born in 1971 in Las Cruces, N.M., where his father was a graduate student in agricultural science. He moved to Yemen with his parents at the age of 7 and attended school in the conservative Muslim country, where he later told friends he had been thrilled by tales of Yemeni men fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.

At 19, he was sent back to the United States to attend Colorado State University. He completed an engineering degree, but by then had discovered his knack for preaching. He became the imam in mosques in Denver, San Diego and the Virginia suburbs of Washington, and collections of his sermons became best sellers on CD. He showed a moderate face to the public; the nature of his contacts with at least two of the future Sept. 11 hijackers remains a mystery.

Though Mr. Awlaki denounced the Sept. 11 attacks, he was angered by the government investigations of Muslim organizations that followed. He moved to London in 2002 and eventually to Yemen, where he was imprisoned in 2006 and 2007.

After his release, he created an English-language Web site, blog and Facebook page that drew tens of thousands of visitors, putting out a message that grew steadily more approving of anti-Western violence. He first came to broad public attention in November 2009, after he praised as a hero Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army major accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood in Texas.

Unlike Osama bin Laden, whose convoluted Arabic-language Web messages struck many Western Muslims as foreign and strange, Mr. Awlaki’s unaccented English, sprinkled with colloquial Americanisms, often hit its mark. He leaves an ineradicable electronic legacy, on CD and on the Web, and for those drawn to jihad, his death in an American missile strike may give his story a new gloss of martyrdom. 

Related:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/world/middleeast/anwar-al-awlaki-is-killed-in-yemen.html?hp

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"yesterday my gf asked me; who is Bob Marley; now i'm single. Bob Forever"    
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The person that posted this should be   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7QCbCwmtXc

hmmm. I don't think I was aware of this thread.  Anyway, better late than never.

I wish to welcome myself to Nairaland.  I am married to an NL moderator [size=5pt](Ajanlekoko)[/size] and we have 6 kids. Very dramatic! 

thoufiq:
I am also a new nairalander, 19, male and i live in lagos. How do i use this site?
i wnt to also join unilorin group if there is any, cuz i chose unilorin as second choice nd i scored 237 in jamd along wit 75% score in post jamb, plzzzzzzzz help me out cuz i've fallen in luv wit nairaland

The notorious infamous Becomerich, a/k/a Oga or Egbon Musiwa, will be your best link to anything Unilorin related.  Ask around in the Politics section.  Everyone knows him. 

Welcome, kid!

Croatian:
Hello people, as my nickname says, I am Croatian, 

I have never been to Nigeria, but I work with Africans, mostly Nigerians. I loved Africa from the times when Dr. Alban was on the top of music charts, and now even more when I talk to so many good people from Nigeria daily.

I will visit this forum from time to time, to talk to people. And I hope that one day I'll come to visit Nigeria.

You will have a great time with Nigerians, cos we are football-mad, just like Croats!  Welcome.

Jemcaf:
I am new here and happy to be, general assistance needed. They call me ferdinand.

I like you already. 

[quote author=Bifwoli. link=topic=162263.msg8971891#msg8971891 date=1313902725]I'm brand new here and trying to know how to contact the Mod of travel section (Dis Guy) Please help.[/quote]1) Go to the Travel Section; 2) violate the rules; 3) Dis Guy will temp ban you and send you a mean message - "shape up or ship out."  He's a tough nut.  I'm just guessing sha; he was on my arse for months cos my thread was in the wrong section - I still suspect he is responsible for it getting moved. Twice!

zattiee02:
Hi everyone i am from the caribbean (Turks and Caicos Islands) I hae always been interested in finding out who i really am after years of questions and searching i recently learned that my ancestors could most likely be from Nigeria we share many of the same culture and even foods. I am dating a man from Nigeria which happened by faith i did not even know he was from Nigeria. Well i am interested in moving to Nigeria at least for 1 year. I want to live a simple life where i can be close to nature. Can anyone please suggest where would be a great place to live where i can learn the culture as well as become closer to nature. I would also like to get married in Nigeria (a triditional marrage) Thanks

Culture section is where you want to be. Avoid the Romance section. The people there are crazy and bitter and are anti-romance and anti-love.  They'll tell you your Nigerian boyfriend doesn't really love you and that he will get his pali/papers/green card and then use you for money rituals.  Lies.  They've watched too many silly movies and drank too much ogogoro.  "Ogogoro," that's like the local moonshine.  See. . . you're learning already.  Also, you should avoid the Family Section. 

reelyfamou:
Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to know how to post new topics.

Also, I want to kill two birds with one stone - can any one tell me if its safe to live in Badagry.

Thanks.

You're gonna need to rephrase that, before I can help you.  Sorry.


:::Wow, I am really good at this.  I should be part of the Welcoming Committeee. Seriously.:::

All right, my broda.  I could say so many things to you, but I will hold my peace until later - can't stick around until later anyway.

But, man, how hard was it for you to find this?  I shall return to print all your lame-o excuses.  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-769937.32.html#msg9240570

Well, you can start reading from where you left off - page 6 or something and meticulously analyze every post - every single post. 

You have 2 pages to drop all the nuggets gems you promised.

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Tony Terry, When I'm With You
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Kenny Loggins, Heart to Heart
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Mariah Carey, Fantasy
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Winding down to page 100, when thread will likely go on lockdown. . . Some more memories for you. 


E-BATTLES, SOME EPIC  
Isale v. DK
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1312.html#msg7857666
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1344.html#msg7857946
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1504.html#msg7958741
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1408.html#msg7877098

Isale v. PhysicsMHD/DUD/OPP* (*"u down with OPP? yeah u know me."
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1184.html#msg7826399
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1312.html#msg7852779
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1728.html#msg8050779
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1760.html#msg8060462

Physics v. Fstranger
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1376.html#msg7867021

Fstranger v. NB
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1536.html#msg7980095

Fstranger v. . . . Everybody Loves Fstranger
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1312.html#msg7852709
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1216.html#msg7847928
etc

Kilode v. Katsumoto
Katsumoto v. NB v. Kilode
NB vs. Kilode/Katsumoto/Isale/Wenger 
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1920.html#msg8199490
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1920.html#msg8200281
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1952.html#msg8201613
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1952.html#msg8201143

Isale v. Katsumoto
Pages 24-104 


OAM4J IS THE MOD WITH THE MOSTEST
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.2080.html#msg8266457


THERE ARE NO AJEBOTAS IN THIS ROOM, NO SIR!
ONLY AJEPAKIS ALLOWED WITHIN 10KM OF THIS THREAD!  
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1600.html#msg7980979
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1600.html#msg7981133
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1600.html#msg7981204
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1632.html#msg7981294
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.2016.html#msg8203886
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.2208.html#msg8300621

NOSTALGIA
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.2176.html#msg8299452


GRAND ENTRANCES
Ajanlewolfie
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1792.html#msg8080135

Ola Olabiy
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.1920.html#msg8197101


Stopped at page 70.  I'll review remaining pages and add a few more links. 

buzugee:
is it under like say properties or foreign affairs or politics or etc etc. under what section ? i may be a nairaland veteran of sorts but my stay here has been maligned by tunnel vision. i only look at 3 sections
1, politics
2, front page
3, most recently this section, foreign affairs.

Or go to General, then Nairaland. . .

P.S.  I guess I can't blame you this time.  It is quite hard to find.  I forgot the Mods/Seun moved it twice.  It's had 3 different homes/Forums, starting with "Foreign Affairs." 

cap28:
thanks isale, how you dey? havent heard from you in a while. hope all is well.   
im glad you liked the video , the guy in the video is very astute in analysis of world events, he is always  spot on.  He is  particularly interested and concerned about africa, i'll see if i can find one of his videos in which he lambasts nigeria and gabon's cowardly behaviour with regard to libya.

Been here all along, Bro.    Thanks for all the videos.  I saw another one of Afrisynergy's podcasts that you previously posted.  And I check out his channel on YouTube now.
Here's a related link: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/afrisynergy

buzugee:
oh and that thread, you sure are keeping it a secret from me. let me know where it is so i can come drop a few nuggets in there 

Nairaland subforum; your moniker's in the title.

FYI, mostly people looking for real estate, and not phones, will be in here.  Below link takes you to the right place for your ad.  You'll probably have to open a new thread there. Good luck.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/board-75.0.html

Good job, Cap28.  I liked the video immensely.

buzugee:
why ? thats preposterous, myopic and litigious. if anything Obummer is getting revenge for the black race for 1000s years of slavery by the arabs and occupation of black land (libya, algeria, morroco, egypt, mauritania). i say next he bombs these other countries. whats happening to blacks in libya (the killings) is a subliminal reflection of the racism habored by arabs towards the nubians. so if you think they feel they are part of africa, then you have another think coming. Obummer is getting revenge for us

go barrakkkkkkkk do the nubians proud. kick the arabs butt

Listen up, Agege hooligan! 

Obamanama doesn't give a hoot about you and your fellow ruffians.  And the UN/Halliburton/American Military Industrial Complex aren't bombing Libya to put the good guys in power. 

Anyway, I'll let you have your fun.  I know you too well.
When you're done, get your ig-niant area boy ar.se into that thread you can never find; It's gonna reach its max NL pages. . . leading to its retirement and lockdown.  I'm not gonna tell you twice.