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Daughter of ‘Dirty War,’ Raised by Man Who Killed Her Parents
New York Times
Published: October 8, 2011

BUENOS AIRES — Victoria Montenegro recalls a childhood filled with chilling dinnertime discussions. Lt. Col. Hernán Tetzlaff, the head of the family, would recount military operations he had taken part in where “subversives” had been tortured or killed. The discussions often ended with his “slamming his gun on the table,” she said.

It took an incessant search by a human rights group, a DNA match and almost a decade of overcoming denial for Ms. Montenegro, 35, to realize that Colonel Tetzlaff was, in fact, not her father — nor the hero he portrayed himself to be.

Instead, he was the man responsible for murdering her real parents and illegally taking her as his own child, she said.

He confessed to her what he had done in 2000, Ms. Montenegro said. But it was not until she testified at a trial here last spring that she finally came to grips with her past, shedding once and for all the name that Colonel Tetzlaff and his wife had given her — María Sol — after falsifying her birth records.

The trial, in the final phase of hearing testimony, could prove for the first time that the nation’s top military leaders engaged in a systematic plan to steal babies from perceived enemies of the government.

Jorge Rafael Videla, who led the military during Argentina’s dictatorship, stands accused of leading the effort to take babies from mothers in clandestine detention centers and give them to military or security officials, or even to third parties, on the condition that the new parents hide the true identities. Mr. Videla is one of 11 officials on trial for 35 acts of illegal appropriation of minors.

The trial is also revealing the complicity of civilians, including judges and officials of the Roman Catholic Church.

The abduction of an estimated 500 babies was one of the most traumatic chapters of the military dictatorship that ruled Argentina from 1976 to 1983. The frantic effort by mothers and grandmothers to locate their missing children has never let up. It was the one issue that civilian presidents elected after 1983 did not excuse the military for, even as amnesty was granted for other “dirty war” crimes.

“Even the many Argentines who considered the amnesty a necessary evil were unwilling to forgive the military for this,” said José Miguel Vivanco, the Americas director for Human Rights Watch.

In Latin America, the baby thefts were largely unique to Argentina’s dictatorship, Mr. Vivanco said. There was no such effort in neighboring Chile’s 17-year dictatorship.

One notable difference was the role of the Catholic Church. In Argentina the church largely supported the military government, while in Chile it confronted the government of Gen. Augusto Pinochet and sought to expose its human rights crimes, Mr. Vivanco said.

Priests and bishops in Argentina justified their support of the government on national security concerns, and defended the taking of children as a way to ensure they were not “contaminated” by leftist enemies of the military, said Adolfo Pérez Esquivel, a Nobel Prize-winning human rights advocate who has investigated dozens of disappearances and testified at the trial last month.

Ms. Montenegro contended: “They thought they were doing something Christian to baptize us and give us the chance to be better people than our parents. They thought and felt they were saving our lives.”

Church officials in Argentina and at the Vatican declined to answer questions about their knowledge of or involvement in the covert adoptions.

For many years, the search for the missing children was largely futile. But that has changed in the past decade thanks to more government support, advanced forensic technology and a growing genetic data bank from years of testing. The latest adoptee to recover her real identity, Laura Reinhold Siver, brought the total number of recoveries to 105 in August.

Still, the process of accepting the truth can be long and tortuous. For years, Ms. Montenegro rejected efforts by officials and advocates to discover her true identity. From a young age, she received a “strong ideological education” from Colonel Tetzlaff, an army officer at a secret detention center.

If she picked up a flier from leftists on the street, “he would sit me down for hours to tell me what the subversives had done to Argentina,” she said.

He took her along to a detention center where he spent hours discussing military operations with his fellow officers, “how they had killed people, tortured them,” she said.

“I grew up thinking that in Argentina there had been a war, and that our soldiers had gone to war to guarantee the democracy,” she said. “And that there were no disappeared people, that it was all a lie.”

She said he did not allow her to see movies about the “dirty war,” including “The Official Story,” the 1985 film about an upper-middle-class couple raising a girl taken from a family that was disappeared.


In 1992, when she was 15, Colonel Tetzlaff was detained briefly on suspicion of baby stealing. Five years later, a court informed Ms. Montenegro that she was not the biological child of Colonel Tetzlaff and his wife, she said.

“I was still convinced it was all a lie,” she said.

By 2000, Ms. Montenegro still believed her mission was to keep Colonel Tetzlaff out of prison. But she relented and gave a DNA sample. A judge then delivered jarring news: the test confirmed that she was the biological child of Hilda and Roque Montenegro, who had been active in the resistance. She learned that she and the Montenegros had been kidnapped when she was 13 days old.

At a restaurant over dinner, Colonel Tetzlaff confessed to Ms. Montenegro and her husband: He had headed the operation in which the Montenegros were tortured and killed, and had taken her in May 1976, when she was 4 months old.

“I can’t bear to say any more,” she said, choking up at the memory of the dinner.

A court convicted Colonel Tetzlaff in 2001 of illegally appropriating Ms. Montenegro. He went to prison, and Ms. Montenegro, still believing his actions during the dictatorship had been justified, visited him weekly until his death in 2003.

Slowly, she got to know her biological parents’ family.

“This was a process; it wasn’t one moment or one day when you erase everything and begin again,” she said. “You are not a machine that can be reset and restarted.”

It fell to her to tell her three sons that Colonel Tetzlaff was not the man they thought he was.

“He told them that their grandfather was a brave soldier, and I had to tell them that their grandfather was a murderer,” she said.

When she testified at the trial, she used her original name, Victoria, for the first time. “It was very liberating,” she said.

She says she still does not hate the Tetzlaffs. But “the heart doesn’t kidnap you, it doesn’t hide you, it doesn’t hurt you, it doesn’t lie to you all of your life,” she said. “Love is something else.”  

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/world/americas/argentinas-daughter-of-dirty-war-raised-by-man-who-killed-her-parents.html?ref=world

That woman is nuts!  I hate to know anymore about what went down in that crazy house.
Wished they'd focused on the other woman who found her parents.  Or was she even more batty than Montenegro.

Snoop and Ice Cube still dance with half Unclad infidels on stages after getting high on cheap drugs and boooooooze. Are they really muslims?

Maybe you're confusing Ice Cube with Ice T.  Cube has alwys been a very disciplined and responsible sort.  But, I could be wrong.

Mukinatu does not belong on this thread; she already has two husbands!  At least!  And that's on Nairaland alone. 

The below makes me even more glad for her.  God forbid, but it could have ended like this poor mother in 2009. RIP.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29354168/ns/health-womens_health/t/nigerian-woman-dies-after-birth-sextuplets/
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-237930.0.html

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=758382.msg9299693#msg9299693 date=1318084695]It will be my portion in Jesus name!! [/quote]

https://images.clipartof.com/small/1053668-Royalty-Free-Vector-Clip-Art-Illustration-Of-A-Beautiful-Pregnant-Black-Woman-Holding-Her-Belly.jpg

https://www.pinkinkartkids.com/Design/240/14104.png

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/398146528_7137ed5c4c.jpg

[img]http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/544864/544864,1293751282,2/stock-vector-twin-baby-boy-and-girl-68069341.jpg[/img]

https://rlv.zcache.com/identical_twin_boys_button-p145710629775465975v924_325.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01338/Quins_01_1338459a.jpg

Daammmnnn!

I blame myself!

I should have watched the entire game in my good luck shirt! 

I didn't know it was on.  I thought all these gaddamn internationals were happening on Sundays and Tuesdays now! 

Why do they keep changing things around on us!!  Why?  CHANGE IS BAD!  BAD!!!   

We got used to the international breaks being on Saturdays and Wednesdays, then the geniuses switched it to Sunday and Tuesdays!  I AM SERIOUSLY VEXED!  Trust me, I don't use words like "vexed."    

We suck!!!  We are worse than the English.  Daaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnn!  Someone hold me (back).  LOL

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=774146.msg9291101#msg9291101 date=1317965156]creepy @ss sh1t. . .[/quote] 

One child policy koo, "one meal a day" policy nii.  Bloody hypocrites! 

Twin boys, followed by a girl or, if I'm lucky, another set of twins.  Sharp sharp!   

  :-x

OAM4J,

LOL. They won't ever let the mod be.  That guy defintely sounds like a troublemaker.    Referring to himself using the royal "we," and already very familiar with banning policies.  Who else but a repeat offender would know that you get banned for 120 hrs for certain offenses?  

You be  now, you hear? 

hahaha. funny thread. the homosexual lobby. i met a couple of people here too. oh well. teh more things change the more they stay the same.

:::no way I'm reading the above though. it's a book! fuggedaboutit:::

Your signature is. . . "upside down."

PhysicsQED:
I've mostly been in the culture section. Occasionally I posted in politics. But I usually don't check the general section, so I'd forgotten about this thread.

As for your question, I'm pretty sure that people drank palm wine all across southern Nigeria. I don't know what it's called in Edo and I'd probably have to ask someone older (although to be honest, I probably won't, because that would be a pretty awkward conversation). I never drank it or was around people who drank it so I was never in a situation where I would need to ask what it was called. I'm very sure that there were palm wine drinkers all across southern Nigeria though.

Interesting.  Simply asking them wouldn't mean you think they're drunkards ; it's just asking a question about the old(?) ways. lol.  Anyway, it was never at my house, but one of the benefits of growing up in Naija is having the opportunity to visit relatives from far and wide and of different means.  I remember a weekend-long observation of an emu joint, if that's what its called.  I doubt my father ever knew that this particular relatives of my mother lived so close to one of those places.     So, I know the smell, but not sure I had a sip. Too long ago.  Hmmm.  Maybe that's why I hate liquor of any kind.  But emu smells good.   

And I always loved to watch the palm wine tappers go up those trees to do their thing.

:::How in the world did I get to see that in Lagos?  I have to dig deep now - where were we visiting where I saw a palm wine tapper going up the tree? ::: It wasn't TV. 

PhysicsQED:
Tracy Morgan is funny as hell. And even if he might look a little slow, I think he's definitely smarter than he acts . .

I like the beginning of Badu's song.  I had seen that video before but it must have been edited.

Physics, "I am getting tired of yo SH1T!  You nevah buy me nothin'."  Classic. 

The Jobs speech reminded me of a very good speech I heard almost a year ago.  Thanks to the person that shared it with me, even though they turned out to be a terror. 

[flash=480,320]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBmavNoChZc[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBmavNoChZc

Found this while searching for the Bezos clip.  Interesting to share.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7yk1rzo3Y&NR=1[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7yk1rzo3Y&NR=1

[flash=480,320]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg9219232#msg9219232 date=1316997234]More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Ogedegbe
More Nigerian Footballers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Ogedegbe
The current national team: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_national_football_team

I know some don't like Wiki, but it has the basics, plus linking to more data within a topic is seamless.[/quote]Correction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nigerian_footballers

[flash=520,380]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVSIPHQdQT0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVSIPHQdQT0

Doggone Getty Images!  Last time I use their pictures (without paying)!  

[quote author=isale_ggan link=topic=590933.msg9188165#msg9188165 date=1316572165]hmmm.  Why is it stuck on page 97? lol.

More pics. 

https://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/125618595.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FE88239F6D87861C07683820187B57E9B0CDF3A4233908F43
Rocking the Jew-Fro.  But too much opon. Or is it iponri?  [size=4pt]shut up![/size] Forehead. 

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Pretty, but wrong. Bare shoulders and short dress.  It's usually one or the other for an elegant evening wear

https://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/125618639.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F9C945BFB4816F1667683820187B57E9BF949F7D00CEF7D69
Why Why Why  Designers will give you free clothes and everything to go to these things!  Whyyyyyyyyy?  What kinda doggone outfit is this? Who is she anyway?

https://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/125618619.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F0B8CB5FEEE7F9EFD7683820187B57E9B6DBC742BB1592FE4
Whatthefff. . .  I'm going to another site.  These are all the "questionable" dresses. 

https://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/125618586.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F37C7B841DA85DA1C7683820187B57E9B86BC7396DAAAE47B
Bare legs, but everything else covered; nicely done. I want those bracelets! 

https://cache3.asset-cache.net/xr/125596682.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F054CEADC42EB9498DD1F3A9F868446CA809E87C0EC92A60890F55034CEB503EE


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A friend and Kate Winslet

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Kerry Washington looks different; They say you can never be too thin in Hollyweird. I'm guessing 45 kilos

https://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/125594133.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F723ECFEFB38A77BADD1F3A9F868446CA6CC6C8EBD66B10DC
Nice[/quote][quote author=isale_ggan link=topic=590933.msg9188433#msg9188433 date=1316580077]Desperately looking for Black people 

https://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/125605620.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F3CCBD539F584959E8452B07A242212812FF62755E89DD423

https://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/125605962.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FD281BE5430709EE58452B07A242212818440944713E120ED
Aww Hell No! That yellow is blinding; and the hair?

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Nice

https://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/125605259.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FDF2324DE64CE37E18452B07A24221281F1A9EB000881BEC0
What the hell's he/she got under there?  The names is "Laskshimi Padma" or sumsuch. All these people with Indian names - are they nominated or just Bollywood types looking for their 15 minutes of fame?  I don't know most of the actors anymore - I don't watch Emmys anymore either. Oh well.  Still don't mind watching the fashion.

https://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/125605106.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FC90A27AED3F248148452B07A24221281AC8475DB6539F8DB
Another one! Well, I am seriously searching for photos of Black people at the Emmys to post.
So, this one'll do. 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_sigg5jQiHHr58ft33awP5kBFgw---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/f0/1b/2185534950_4192293115.jpg

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_sigg7BkPop0YLv18DcdconnySg---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/8a/ec/1741429204_4432823042.jpg

https://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/125604143.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FD101CC5FC09FF7688452B07A242212816E3D369E6A181DD9

https://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/125603990.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FFF49F8B72A38BEFD8452B07A2422128165F77624555C19A9
Anne Sweeney, Pres. Disney/ABC Networks - can't think of a single show I watch on ABC

https://cache4.asset-cache.net/xr/125603080.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F8867470A180DB9718452B07A242212815C4546C0AAE18A8E90F55034CEB503EE
hahahaha. Is she married to him? David Boreanaz: Poonhound Extraodinaire. 
The bad boy Tiger Woods wanted to be like. lol.

https://cache3.asset-cache.net/xr/125599533.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F4FF1D7A1D91FFB9CDD1F3A9F868446CAA3DAA5D4B8D5C60490F55034CEB503EE
Mad dogs and Englishmen 

https://cache2.asset-cache.net/xr/125599578.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FEFC1D3D604044476DD1F3A9F868446CAFEA219510715AD2090F55034CEB503EE
Kathy Griffin; Ugly inside and outside!

https://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/125598673.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F5AE98257B51D5536DD1F3A9F868446CA7F384E8855F3E688
Sofia Vergara: Beautiful inside and outside 

https://cache1.asset-cache.net/xr/125598169.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FF8D103241755B816DD1F3A9F868446CA0CF121ED5F3F5EEE90F55034CEB503EE
Get those earrrings out of your ears, punk! 

https://cache1.asset-cache.net/xr/125598092.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FE03D5A84277F9A68DD1F3A9F868446CA13BD84B08B21B7B090F55034CEB503EE
Interesting accessorizing.  Anyway, she's not a glam girl, she's a comedian.
They do their own thing 

https://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/125596734.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3F6FF41F70280CDE8EDD1F3A9F868446CAA347DDF713328E14
Pretty dress

https://cache4.asset-cache.net/xr/125594403.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF8789219B309651A2344B3FF7450CDC91A8A5C3DD1F3A9F868446CABE44778F827118B990F55034CEB503EE
P.S. I don't like the dress. I prob wouldn't say that to her face sha;
her rep is that she's a b on wheels. . . who makes grown men cry 

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I like it  [/quote]The only ones still showing are the ones not from other sites. ::shrug::

[quote author=isale_ggan link=topic=590933.msg9187823#msg9187823 date=1316562325], , ,       

One more thing to get out of my system . . . Happens only once a year anyway, so no shaking. 

Didn't watch the Emmys, but noticed some coverage of the gowns.  So, here goes.

I don't like doing Best & Worst Dressed.  Cos, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  But. . . hmmm . . . it's not a hard and fast rule.  A really egregious fashion felony will make me whimper. 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_sigg3.aMYDVVOEh2VFwcd1vlAw---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/f9/e6/1399340239_11117587711.jpg
Didn't know that was Paula Abdul. 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggA5nFuNcczCOQaEswMU.m_A---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/88/8d/2048266108_13230964140.jpg
Pretty design; not liking the bare midriff; also another view of the outfit showed way too much of her unmentionables. 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggBm5SObiIwPMHl6.u4K1ZpQ---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/0b/9c/1565910244_8996143436.jpg
What?!  Looked good until you cast your eyes downwards. 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggQuqufv.jk3JOjisgmFP7AA---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/5a/0d/2215214228_1014170337.jpg
Oh dear!  Is that the Osbourne girl? Is she on drugs again?  Look at her waist. 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggcOJjfppj_hSAkAWl3OBXsw---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/ae/ef/2198652313_5999466002.jpg
An albino shouldn't wear such dark blue.

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggC4Fa0AT8E2YmQ5XdJvjL.w---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/ae/b1/1797610012_14456470358.jpg
Mrs. Katsumoto 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_sigg6l9uVQkoPD7X3.jh8Bpx.A---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/b9/fd/1775070570_7057776547.jpg
Naijababe 

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggDr58tFUDF7CU6AJk0lD5rA---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/3a/4d/1812865729_12397377604.jpg
She wears it well!  Mrs. Katsumoto

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggFFiLWxNoztEKyaok8mIo5w---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/06/b0/1555381347_11429610673.jpg
I don't like the belt.

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_siggLtVSXviV3qT0kHtHwv70Sw---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/83/4f/1499607365_13953457000.jpg
Elegant; a little too understated for the Emmys though.

https://l.yimg.com/k/im_sigg4n0kKWc9KgrytijSyWKoOA---y626-x495-q75-n1/omg/us/img/1e/e9/1555405032_10079579035.jpg
Mrs. Katsu. . . Oh, Wait! He's not the polygamist. So-rry. [/quote]

Ola one:
But, I am on NL because you.

You are not!


Is it always this brutal in the sport section? 
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-743413.2400.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_American
Nigerian American indeed.  In America, I am an AFRICAN.  I don't plan on having any "Nigerian-Americans" in my house.  No offense.  hmmm. I hope not sha.  Back to Naija I go!  Where is Ajanlesomething to give me that job in Naija that we discussed! 

Good read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology

hehehehehe.

Weren't you going to switch off your thread too? Before before?

I think I am able to stay out of trouble for 1 1/2 more pages.  

Where's our very useless able Politics section moderator and friend, OAM4J, to lock this thread.  I'm taking a sabbatical from Nairaland!  I've had enough!  

When Kilode, Katsumoto, Badagry etc come back,  Tell them to start their own threads.

Ola one:
No "modify" button. No nothing

I told you a few posts back, that modifying messages in this section is no longer an option.  It's a new development.

This is a graveyard of threads.

Not that bad.    Threads here are actually a lot more accessible now, cos they're on the main page.

Ola one:
Isale, I need to ask you this question:

Why do you hate Kobojunkie?

It hates black people.  I'm a black person.  ". . . and never the twain shall meet." 

PS: I really want you to be nice to NLanders. Luv your perky self but not too much o, dearie

I'm nice to everybody.  Even a scary wolfdogalien man!  He-l-lo!?

hahahaha. Even when I'm being nice I still get in trouble o jare. I should just be the rabblerouser I was meant to be.

PhysicsQED:
^^^
classic

PhysicsOPP,
Where've you been?  My favourite Bini man!

Hmm.  I have some intellectually rigorous questions to ask you:
1) Do Binis, or Igbos, drink emu (palm wine)? If so, what do Binis call it?
2) https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/7.gif

I'm being serious o.  Not looking for a fight.  Well, maybe later. But if anyone (Katsumoto) asks, you started it. 

BTW, the thread will possibly be locked at 101 pages, so enjoy.  Check the previous 2 pages for my brilliant summations of the 1st 70 pages. 

Yes, of course. 

But do you like the evil Junkie, OlaSquared's future baby momma / domestic partner.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-294287.0.html#msg6460045

An excellent dissection of the roundabout debater, btw.  Absolute surgical precision.  Where was Ola2 to tell you to leave her/him/it alone, like he did me? 

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