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turnstoner: Oh!
It makes it true, eh?

Just do a little reading and educate yourself. Start from the "M" section of an online dictionary.

JMAN05: And I ask, science and bible, which one first identified where the earth was hanging?

anyone who dismisses the statement of God's word and settles for science will be disappointed.

science is good, but its theories does change as such what is true today may be false tomorrow. it is unreasonable to leave the bible truth and settle for science. how can a right thinking person call the story of Adam and Eve a myth while he still believes in Jesus Christ? well, thank God am not a catholic.

Even their so called dating method cannot be trusted.

My dear, that it is a mythological account doesnt mean it is untrue.

I just pray you can understand that little sentence before you condemn the cardinal who knows much more than you.

The Catholic Church gave us the bible. The bible didnt just fall from the sky.

Cesare Prandelli happens to be one Catholic I admire so much in the football world. The way he proclaims his faith publicly is very encouraging. Last year at the Euro2012, Italy was not favoured by pundits to perform well. But on the eve of the tournament, he took the whole team on pilgrimage to a monastery, promising to return if italy made it to the quarter finals. They did and he kept his promise. But they were even more blessed...they got to the final. Even though they lost, he still went to the monastery a third time to thank God.

Joavid: but is using the rosary biblical??
as christains we are the followers of jesus christ the son of God and his teachings...he and non of his disciples even apostle paul ever mentioned or used any instrument/rosary to pray. we were only told to worship God in spirit and in truth.
even apostle paul warned us to aviod following "the traditions of men". as a christain the bible is all the reference i need(stories can be cooked up to be make believable).
the use of images and instruments was condemned as a sin in the bible and it never mentioned a rosary.

The bible never mentioned "bible," why did you accept it when the Catholic Church gave it to you?

JMAN05: @op. that cardinal has a problem in his mind. He wants to believe science that will propound another theory tomorrow?

what was scientific theory when the bible describe water cycle, that the earth was round, and that the earth is hanging on nothing? but now all that biblical truth has now been confirmed.

wait! is that man still a "cardinal"?

What is wrong with science. The Catholic Church has always embraced and supported true science knowing that it can never contradict the true faith. Both are paths to arrive at the truth, only, faith transcends the scope of science.

The Cardinal did or said nothing against Catholic teaching.

A Christian who is against science suggests that he is unsure of his faith.

plaetton: Sorry to jump on. But if it spiritually impossible to know anything, then why do priests and other religious nuts make so much noise about spiritual jumbo jumbo?
Doesn't the make religion void and a waste of every ones time?

I said "possible," not "impossible."

So that makes this your jumbo jumbo post void and a waste of time.

Alfa Seltzer: I believe he is a cardinal, not a scientist. So where got the idea that he was talking science beats me.

You believe a cardinal cannot talk science? You are terribly misinformed. Please read this link and educate yourself about the multitude of Catholic clerics who were scientists all through history...and do me the favour of educating your fellow misinformed Atheists too.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric%E2%80%93scientists

Alfa Seltzer: So you contradict yourself because after saying that a dichotomy between religion and science was an error, you went ahead and made one. If there is no dichotomy, why are you attributing the cardinal's view to only science?

Faith and science are not contradictory. They both seek truth only through different means. Perhaps you should look up words like "dichotomy" and "myth" before posting.

Alfa Seltzer: The answer to your question is no. I do not know when there was the first human because there was no such thing as a first human.

So do you know when there were the first humans?

Alfa Seltzer: Why dodge the question with a non-answer?

Do you agree with your cardinal, whether scientific, spiritual or otherwise that you people have no clue when there was the first human?

I didnt dodge the question. I thought my answer would be clear enough to you.

The Cardinal said it was impossible to know when therewas a first human.

I believe he was speaking in terms of science. So, yes, I agree.

But spiritually, it is possible to know anything.

I hope that is clear enough and can you please answer my question?

Pastor AIO: Out of interest, do you make a dichotomy between Religion and Science?

An error that many religious and non-religious people fall into.

Alfa Seltzer: Of course not. But religiously speaking, do you agree?

Spiritually speaking, anything is possible.

Do you know when there was a first human?

Elijah's bones brought a dead man to life...and some "christians" are afraid of bones.

Alfa Seltzer: Ok. Let's not get into semantics. Do you agree with the cardinal that it is impossible to say when there was a first human?

Scientifically speaking, yes.

You disagree?

Heatblast: these Christians are evolving fast, before we know it, they'll prove to their followers that evolution is in the bible, this would then allow the religion to last longer

The Catholic Church has never been against the idea of evolution. It is not against Catholic teaching.

Alfa Seltzer:

illiteracy

I repeat: that a story is a myth does not make it untrue.

Read and find out who is "illiterate."

Evil Brain: To be fair to the Catholics, they've been far less willing to contradict science than the Pentecostals. Pope John-Paul actually endorsed the theory of evolution back in the day and acknowledged the big bang theory. There are Catholic priests making serious contributions in many fields of science and the church doesn't seem to be discouraging them.

I guess they must have learnt their lesson from the time they made complete föõls of themselves claiming the sun goes round the earth and forcing Gallileo to agree with them on pain of death.

The Catholic Church and Catholics have always been pioneers and giants in many areas of science and other human disciplines.

There are counless examples if you want them.

@Op,

Please, your topic is misleading. Cardinal Pell never said "Adam and Eve never existed."

That a story is a myth doesnt make it untrue.

Pygru:
so frosbel get many haters like this

No. He's a hater of many.

@RoyPcain,

Mohammed said Jesus is a only a prophet.

Mohammed encourages Muslims to seek clarification from the people of the book (bible).

Jesus and Christians say Jesus is God.

So who is a liar?

If Jesus and Christians are lying, then Jesus cannot be a prophet...

So Mohammed is the liar, no?

Even the altar before which the Holy Bible was compiled had relics.

wordcat: :




Pls where are u frm?

Where we do not fear but venerate the relics of our ancestors in the faith.

Where are you from? Where they fear bones?

superior1: Just believe you are standing on a sacred ground and it may not look that scary (atleast that is the way some catholics act around those relics)

They kiss them
They touch them
They place them next to their body
They place them on their altar etc.

This is what they have made of the gospel of Jesus. Paganism at its peak.

You are even familiar with paganism...so how is it paganism?

bongila: How people can stand to sit,pray, and worship in a place with all these scary stuffs is beyond me.
Just seeing it online is scary in itself,how much more seeing it live! Nightmarish!

You are a "Christian" and you are scared of the bones of the dead?

bongila: Seen all those scary pictures? What are they doing inside the church?
The golden bust being carried round the town what's that about?
Come-on Man reason with your head! Jeez!!!
When some people here call most of us Christians "sheeple" I aggre with them,we swallow everything hook,line and sinker.
Don't argue for arguement's sake!

What exactly is your problem with the pictures above?

That we venerate relics in Church or that we venerate them in public?

Syncan: Love is an amazing thing. The more two hearts are united in love, the closer the distance between them, the less they need speech to communicate. Even when they speak, more is said in silence. It reminds me of Abraham and God in Gen 18. God said he is going to see what's happening in sodom and gomorrah, but Abraham heard more than just that, so he started a negotiation against the destruction which was not even mentioned...so my dear brother, I blame it on love. Those two hearts, Jesus and mary, are united in love. More was said in silence than in speech.

Amen! Equally amazing is that the Mother made him reveal his glory even earlier than God had planned.

Something about Mary!

Folks, there is something that has always amazed me.

At the wedding in Cana, after Jesus gave Mary a dismissive answer when she said to him: "they have no more wine," she said to the servants: "do whatever he tells you."

How did she know Jesus would answer her request, and how did she know he would do it through the servants?

He could have provided wine any other way possible.

bongila: Would you? Get Their corpses,preserve them in transparent coffins,display the coffins as centre pieces in your living room?
There's nothing Wrong in that I'm thinking.

The man said equates veneration of relics with worship of demons, so I asked him if he finds it wrong to venerate his parents' corpses...

If you share his view amd want to jump into our conversation, would you please answer the simple "yes or no" question?

That way we can move forward.

superior1: Do you have problems with your remains hanging on a chain outside a chapel like you have in the Chapel of Bones?

But you havent told me if you find it wrong to venerate your parents' corpses.

[quote author21 So it was, as they were burying a man, that suddenly they spied a band of raiders; and they put the man in the tomb of Elisha; and when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.1 So it was, as they were burying a man, that suddenly they spied a band of raiders; and they put the man in the tomb of Elisha; and when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.uperior1]Though I take exceptions to your mentioning my parents.

Mathew 8:22
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

The dead is for burial not to be prayed with or displayed like Catholic practice.[/quote]You take exception to my mentioning your parents but you are talking about the saints and martyrs who are MY OWN fore-parents in the faith. Do you think you value your parents more than I value Mary and the saints and martyrs?

If we are to take the verse you quoted litetally, does that mean you didnt/wont bury your parents? You left/will leave other dead people to bury them?

superior1: The same i find wrong with idol and demon worshiping.

Would you find the same thing wrong in venerating your parents' corpses?

What exactly do you find wrong in keeping and venerating relics?

Sorry to ask, but who is "Muhammad?"