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What about Moses and Elijah? Did they hear Jesus @ the transfiguration or were they deaf?

Amen! Amen!

Penance and mortification is deeply rooted in scripture!

Amen! Amen!

Penance and mortification is rooted in scripture.

2 Samuel 12:16-17 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in and lay all night upon the ground. [17] And the elders of his house stood beside him, to raise him from the ground; but he would not, nor did he eat food with them.

Amen! Amen!

Ezra 9:1-8 After these things had been done, the officials approached me and said, "The people of Israel and the priests and the Levites have not separated themselves from the peoples of the lands with their abominations, from the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Per'izzites, the Jeb'usites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. [2] For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for themselves and for their sons; so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost." [3] When I heard this, I rent my garments and my mantle, and pulled hair from my head and beard, and sat appalled. [4] Then all who trembled at the words of the God of Israel, because of the faithlessness of the returned exiles, gathered round me while I sat appalled until the evening sacrifice. [5] And at the evening sacrifice I rose from my fasting, with my garments and my mantle rent, and fell upon my knees and spread out my hands to the LORD my God, [6] saying: "O my God, I am ashamed and blush to lift my face to thee, my God, for our iniquities have risen higher than our heads, and our guilt has mounted up to the heavens. [7] From the days of our fathers to this day we have been in great guilt; and for our iniquities we, our kings, and our priests have been given into the hand of the kings of the lands, to the sword, to captivity, to plundering, and to utter shame, as at this day. [8] But now for a brief moment favor has been shown by the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant, and to give us a secure hold within his holy place, that our God may brighten our eyes and grant us a little reviving in our bondage. (cf. Jer 48:37)

Amen! Amen!

Jeremiah 41:5 eighty men arrived from Shechem and Shiloh and Sama'ria, with their beards shaved and their clothes torn, and their bodies gashed, bringing cereal offerings and incense to present at the temple of the LORD.

Amen! Amen!


Ezekiel 4:1-8 "And you, O son of man, take a brick and lay it before you, and portray upon it a city, even Jerusalem; [2] and put siegeworks against it, and build a siege wall against it, and cast up a mound against it; set camps also against it, and plant battering rams against it round about. [3] And take an iron plate, and place it as an iron wall between you and the city; and set your face toward it, and let it be in a state of siege, and press the siege against it. This is a sign for the house of Israel. [4] "Then lie upon your left side, and I will lay the punishment of the house of Israel upon you; for the number of the days that you lie upon it, you shall bear their punishment. [5] For I assign to you a number of days, three hundred and ninety days, equal to the number of the years of their punishment; so long shall you bear the punishment of the house of Israel. [6] And when you have completed these, you shall lie down a second time, but on your right side, and bear the punishment of the house of Judah; forty days I assign you, a day for each year. [7] And you shall set your face toward the siege of Jerusalem, with your arm bared; and you shall prophesy against the city. [8] And, behold, I will put cords upon you, so that you cannot turn from one side to the other, till you have completed the days of your siege."

Amen! Amen! 1 Corinthians 9:27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

[cf. NIV, Beck: "beat"; NEB: "bruise"; Williams: "beating and bruising"; Barclay: "batter"; NASB: "buffet"; NRSV: "punish"; NKJV: "discipline"; Wuest: "I beat my body black and blue and make it my abject slave"; Amplified: "I buffet my body -- handle it roughly, discipline it by hardships -- and subdue it"; Goodspeed: "I beat and bruise my body and make it my slave"; Moffatt: "I maul and master my body" ]

Fasting na mortification...

Night Vigil na mortification...

Flogging na mortification...

Amen! Amen!!

Haters be unknowingly helping us evangelize.



How I wish more Catholics can be talking about the Church like this.

Thanks, Superior.

F00028: we, like our prophet (pbuh) believe in all the previous scriptures God gave to his prophets (pbut) before him. eg:
-taurat/torah to Moses (pbuh), and
-injeel to Jesus (pbuh)
BUT those scriptures, unlike the Quran, have not been preserved in their pristine purity!

e.g if you know your bible history you know Jesus Christ never wtote down a word, never asked anyone to write down a word, and while he was around nit a single word was written down.

The Bible at the time of Mohammed is the same we have now.

Mohammed said it was the word of God.

He didnt know how much it exposed his deceit.

JMAN05: I think it is you who is being unreasonable and exposing your low IQ of not understanding little grammar.

go and watch the video on youtube if you dont understand what a myth is poor brain. the cardinal was clear on the video that his mama and his papa came through evolution. and he never interpreted adam and eve as a historic figure.

he was even asked if it is possible for an atheist to inherit heaven, he said "certainly".

because you heard he is a cardinal, you guys are here arguing like blind men. go and watch it yourself

Ah...see Jero o...

Of course an Atheist can possibly go to heaven. If he doesnt know Christ through no fault of his but lives a good life.

That is Catholic teaching.

JMAN05: because other bible writers and even Jesus recognized them as historical figures.

Jero! Jero!! How many times did I call you?

So you think "non-literal" means "non-existent."



My dear, stop disgracing yourself.

Go get a children's dictionary.

rhowly: . I won't argue with you. But even if the bible said so....u would still make your own doctrine despite it. So it doesn't matter if it did or didn't. Which is where ud like me to go

You are talking bullshit. Irrelevant to what I asked you.

lilbakar: ITALO AND CO... AFTER DIGRESSING I CAME BACK TO YOUR QUESTION

MIND YOU, THAT IS NOT THE ONLY VERSE WE BELIEVE, FOR INSTANCE WE IN THE VERSE WERE JESUS WAS REPORTED TO HAVE WORSHIPED GOD HOW MUSLIMS DO, AND SO ON, BUT WE DISBELIEVE IN ALL PAUL'S DOCTRINES THAT INCLUDES DIVINE SONSHIP OF JESUS,ORIGINAL SIN,BLOOD ATONEMENT,TRINITY ETC.

I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE LIKE YOU, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO, YET YOU STILL ARGUE. AND IF I KEEP ANSWERING YOU GUYS THIS ARGUMENT WILL NOT END.

ANYWAY, THANKS TO THOSE WHO GAVE ME THE EXPLANATION I HUMBLY REQUESTED, I HOPE ALL THE CHRISTIANS HAVE SEEN HOW DISTURBING IT IS FOR MUSLIMS TO SEE PEOPLE QUOTING QUR'AN OUT OF CONTEXT, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING, I DIDNT MISQUOTE BUT I ASKED FOR EXPLANATIONS.

Thats why I say you are a fraud.

You only believe the verses that dont clearly expose Mohammed's lies.

naijadeyhia: Oh really? Any human being? if any human being can then why do you need mary? Christ needs no mediator. He alone is the mediator between man and God. Those who died in Christ and who are serving Christ today and yet alive are all saints. The difference now that the dead to us but alive in Christ saints have run their race and finished their course. All they are doing now is worshiping God and not occupying a mediatory position. Christ shed his blood, suffered and died for all men. No one else did this except Him and this put Him in the seat of a mediator between man and God because he that was without sin was made sin for us. Did Mary die for the whole world? Was she the one beaten and bruised and given a crown of thorns? Was she the one crucified and buried? Was she the one who rose again from the dead on the 3rd day? Questions, questions, questions!

Why then do you pray for people and have people pray for you...

If Christ doesnt want it?

May kelly: catholics stop this nonsence. pope john paul is in hellfire, and your makin him a saint, pls hear the word of GOd and stop these MADNESS!

You believe Pope John Paul is in hell...

...but we Catholics dont have a right to believe he is in heaven abi...

superior1: Worshippers of dead bones should know God has nothing in common with Lucifer.

Flee Catholism, Flee Paganism

Your hatred and hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

In the other thread you accused the Catholic Church of being against scientists.

Now somebody posts a lie about the Catholic Church which shows we are actively pursuing science - as usual - and you believe without confirming.

That telescope belongs not to the Vatican.


www.vaticanobservatory.org/VO-NEWS/index.php/recent-news/vatican-observatory-main/vatican-observatory/item/153-vatican-lucifer.html

naijadeyhia: if Mary plays the same role as a pastor would then what role does your reverend father play? Someone said Mary mediates between man and Christ so i suppose the rev father mediates between man and Mary and so the chain continues when God said we should come boldly before His throne of Grace that we may obtain mercy and grace to help in times of need. Heb 4:16

Any human being can play a mediatory role between man and Christ.

Any saint too.

Dont digress!

If you believe only John 16:7-15 in the whole bible, then you and your master are nothing but frauds.

Richieboyn: Mumu, we didnt choose to add. Yu guyz chose to subtract

He's arrogantly ignorant.

May kelly: pls catholics, stop this nonsence. stop disturbing mary

Oh! So you admit she can hear us.

If she couldnt hear us, she wouldnt be disturbed.

lilbakar: THE ANSWERS I HAVE PROVIDED, REQUIRES COMMON SENSE TO UNDERSTAND THEM, I DONT KNOW WHY SOME PEOPLE HERE ARE STILL ARGUING, IF I SHOULD GIVE YOU ANSWERS TO YOUR NEW QUESTIONS I WILL STILL BE REPEATING MY SELF.

SO READ THE PREVIOUS ANSWERS AV GIVEN CAREFULLY, AND OPEN YOUR MIND, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, ALL PROPHETS FOLLOW SAME GOD, WITH ONE SAME MESSAGE BUT THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS, MAJOR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE THE INVENTED DOCTRINES BY PAUL, WHICH LEAD TO WHICH LEAD TO THE ALTERATION OF SOME VERSES TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIMS.

IF YOU ARE STILL NOT CONVINCED LETS MEET ON FACEBOOK www.facebook.com/lilbukar FOR MORE COMPREHENSIVE DIALOGUE.

I'm not surprised. You are just as fraudulent as your leader.

I'm not surprised. You are just as fraudulent as your leader.

F00028: @thorpido
the Prophet Muhammad (saw) never had a copy.
and what original are you on about?

The book Mohammed said God told him to believe...which you are ashamed to mention.

F00028: you and people like you owe the Prophet Muhammad (saw) an eternal debt off gratitude.

Gratitude for lies that led to a religion that teaches that we Christians and other infidels should be killed?

Then we owe Shekau en eternal debt of gratitude too, dont we?

F00028: you get to take cheap shots like this and Muslims cant respond in kind about your Jesus.

Muslims do much worse.

Muslims are constantly killing Christians for no reason all over the world. In Egypt, over 50 churches have been burnt. Why? Is it Christians that took over the government? No. But that is what your Mohammed teaches them to do.

F00028: must make you feel very very christian I imagine

What is Christian supposed to call a liar?

Gimme the word.

JMAN05: the cardinal is not talking about the earth's age, but that the account of adam and eve is a myth. meaning that adam and eve are not a historical figure that existed thousands of years ago. in short he seems to believe in evolution according to the interview.

the differences are;

a) that i believe that the account is a historical fact, but the cardinal doubts it. in other words, i believe that they were our progenitors.

b) that life started thousands of years ago, but the cardinal doesnt agree.

that some part cannot be interpreted literally makes it a spiritual book, not that the stories are not facts. and not that all its accounts are myth.

The Cardinal said nothing contrary to what you wrote here.

What you need is perhaps a kindergarten diction that defines "myth" to toddlers and adults of low IQ.

JMAN05: papa wey no sabi anything, the discussion is centered on adam and eve as a myth or a historical fact not ur meaningless list.

asking me to provide such is unreasonable and hilarious. so i should write a whole list for you president jonathan?

How does my providing that affect the subject under discussion?

You said some parts of Genesis are not to be taking literally. How are we sure the creation story is not part of the non-literal part?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]Childre's dictionary..

Intercede..
v.
Intervene on behalf of another.


So its same when you ask your pastor to pray for you[/quote]I hope doclan will understand that simple language for kids.

Or do we need to use an animals' dictionary?

Their language may be even easier to understand.

[quote author=WIMUNR?]What is this biggest and most powerful institution in the world? Can you tell me which other institution controls more than 2 Billion people in the world? Which other institution has been deceiving folks for ages under the guise of religion just so they can get them to do whatever they want?
Are you sure it is Jesus whispering that to you or your "Queen Mary"?[/quote]I said "human" institution. The Catholic Church is a divine institution.

And it didnt always have a bilion plus followers. It started 12 poor Israelites...and they conquered the most powerful Empire that ever was - The Roman Empire.

How?

Only Jesus could have done that.

doclan: no wonder U allow the baptism of infants.. 3 wks old undastand intercede.. Keep it up. Waiting 4 U Maria

Now that we are destroying your "intercession" rant, you want to stylishly deviate to baptism.

Can you do your self a favour?

Look up the meaning of "intercede" in a children's dictionary.

They will have easier explanation you might comprehend.

doclan: you are right.. They compiled the bible or rather they kept patchment of d Apostles' letter.. Lets be clear here, during d dark ages, the available copies of the bible were kept in strategised locations and considered nt right for common man to view, read or touch..

There was no printing press then so it was difficult and expensive to make many copies like we have today. Thats why they put them in locations where everyone could read but no one could take it for himself.

doclan: Tank GOD for pple like Martin Luther, John Calvin dat fought for its freedom. Indeed, catholics compiled d bible.. Get ur histories right..

Are you aware that Martin Luther removed the book of James for the Bible?

They didnt fight for freedom. They fought to adulterate Christianity and the Bible. The devil used them.

And the devil must be happy with you guys.

Millions of "churches" preaching contradictory messages.

Do you know how the Bible came about?

It fell from the sky?

doclan: I say and repeat, my point is not who prays 4 U, when pple go to pastors to pray for them, that is nt interceeding btw "Man and God" it simply is making ur petitions known to GOD..

The bible says if any is ill, let the elders pray for such.. In essence, wat I am driving home is dnt let Mary fill in the gap of Jesus.. And remember, Maria quoted that Mary is interceeding 4 us... Dat z wat I antagonised nd knw d meaning of interceed nd mediate very well b4 U take ur stand.

Even my neighbour's 3week old foetus knows the meaning of "intercede."

I am surprised that an adult doesnt.

@ Bernimoore,

In truth, I think you need a grammar teacher.

@ lilbakar,

Mohammed is a fraud and an imposter.

That is why you find yourself running from pillar to post.

Mohammed said God told him to seek clarification from Christians...

Why are you the one trying to teach us?

He said you should believe the Bible...

Why dont you believe it?

The guy was just a cheap liar jor..