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CoolUsername:
Dude, you're a grown man. Comments and likes on a social forum just don't count for much in the real world. Fine, your thread was popular. You have a lot of popular threads. Congratulations, but do they ever make much sense? That's another story, you rehash arguments that have been defeated several times and churn out logical fallacious like it's your job.

You'll probably come back to revive this thread sometime later in order to milk more views but that would never make it a quality post.

emmayayodeji:
For a while now ive been a regular reader of the religion section . i must admit you guys(athiest) seem to be making a point but i have 2 questions
1. Am a christian ive been to churches and ive seen the lame work.. How will you explain that?
2. when an individual passes on (dies) what happens to the persons spirit or soul or whatever??
please explain Thank you

KingEbukasBlog:
You enjoy throwing in red herrings ba ? Wetin concern age of enlightenment with our discussion ? Blatantly extraneous !

Please read and disabuse yourself of your ignorant suppositions

http://www.arian-catholic.org/arian/firstchurchinbritain.html

Nigeria did not exist till 1960 officially but we all say that the slave masters came to Nigeria as early as the 16th century .

KingEbukasBlog:
The Lutheran Church is still the official religion of Norway but the bill to separate the state from the church will be enacted by January 2017 which means that Norway's church will now become an independent legal entity . Meanwhile 80 percent of Norway's population are officially adherents of Christianity . Just last two months or so the Church offered the public a chance to opt out of the church and only less than 35,000 Norwegians opted out - leaving over 4 million Norwegians currently as members of the Church

KingEbukasBlog:
You say the stupidest things on this forum .

KingEbukasBlog:
Communism is an atheistic ideology . Variants of communism or Marxist-Leninist ideology tend to attach theological or political roots that's all .

KingEbukasBlog:
I think she likes you . But it depends on your tribe if anything between you guys will materialize

winner01:
1) Re read my initial answer to you, the problem of Nigeria and the world remain individuals who revere neither God nor human life.

2)Enlightenment was ushered in to major parts of the world by religion. Religion has never been dying, it has been growing monstrously. You can make yourself happy anyway. Those countries along with other world powers have more religious people than non religious people and are still progressing. Your logic does not work.

3) If you preached atheism like you are doin here, you'd be considered a psycho too. Well, thats the tolerance that atheism offers. Those countries remain secular or irreligious, they are not atheistic. We have had atheistic countries and we still have some, we know how terribly inhuman they are.

4) Christianity, politics, tribalism etc have been used for war. Atheism has been used to destroy the lives of millions in ways christianity could never imagine. Anything can be used for war. However, christianity has been used to acheive world peace and democracy in ways other ideologies could only marvel at.

5)Atheism is a religion. The no-godd religion. Even if it was not a religion, the way you and other folks here are religiously devoted to atheism speaks volume.

6) Christianity is the reason why secularism thrives. In islamic or atheistic countries, they enforce their foollishness on innocent people. You have christianity to forever thank for your freedom to spew B.S against christianity or anything.

winner01:
The Bible records the history of isrealites and the jewish encyclopaedia as quoted by an atheist like you has made us to understand that slavery in the days of the isrealites is nothing like todays notion of slavery.

The new testament was a record of Jesus' life and actions and also some letters to the church. I dont think the Bible cares about what you want to be there or not. We are christians, Christ gave a commandment: Love your neighbour as yourself.

winner01:
We all have native names. If you were a sincere person, your moniker wont be JackBizzle. It would reflect your traditional heritage.

I dont care what pastors do. I only care what Jesus did and is doing.

JackBizzle na Nigerian name. Why not practise what you preach

winner01:
But you've been using strawman fallacies to uphold your hate na The Church promotes love for fellow humans as christ commanded. That is what a church should do.
Universities do not engage in family planning See how that sounds.
Stop being silly, Many churches engage in sex education, godly dating and other forms of leisure and enlightenment.
If an illiterate decides to have 20 children despite education, the church wont reject him like atheism. We dont reject people.

winner01:
We are descendants of Adam not monkeys. Adam was not Jewish. Stop being angry.

Churches do not have time to talk about evolution or other lies. Evolution is untrue, just like the infinity universe theory which was generally accepted by the scientific community was found to be untrue.

Pastor Adeboye or anbody can walk with their heads upside down for all I care as long as God is involved.

Oyedepo does not slap witches for Jesus

A woman and a man should be able to pray and commune with God.
You will keep being angry for a longer time.

winner01:
Your question is unimportant to me. The question should be "Did Christ command a pilgrimage to isreal or not?"

Do politicians spend money meant for roads on leisure? Well, yes. Does this mean leisure is wrong? No.
Do politicians spend money for govt. projects to build personal estates? Yes. Does this mean building personal estates is wrong? No.

The problem is not only corruption, the problem is with people who neither care about God nor their fellow humans.
Remove your blindfold and Look further than religion for once.

winner01:
We are a chosen generation called forth to show his excellence. We love isreal and you'd have to go kill yourself on that

No one has a real pic of Jesus. I trust the accounts of Akaine Kramarik and Bob Colton as well as Anna Beams description of Jesus more.
I dont know any white Jesus. I know Jesus, the saviour of the world.

Ranchhoddas:
Islam is way more boring.

lepasharon:
I see. You are Nigerian and cameroonian..

lepasharon:
Cameroon?

lepasharon:
Are you yoruba

TomHagen:
Religion highly influenced by culture...

KingEbukasBlog:
Religious intolerance is the problem in a country that has diverse religions

KingEbukasBlog:
USA has over 70 percent of its population as Christians , the UK has been with Christianity since 37 AD . Christianity has been an integral part of the development of both countries .

KingEbukasBlog:
I execrate lies . Norway , Denmark , Switzerland are Christian countries . Norway and Denmark official state religion is Christianity and both have state churches . The richest countries in the world have the Christians preponderant. The only countries who have the irreligious preponderant in the world are France , New Zealand , Australia and the UK .

KingEbukasBlog:
Christianity was even called the religion of millionaires - http://www.cnbc.com/2015/01/14/the-religion-of-millionaires-.html

KingEbukasBlog:
Religion can be used as a tool to control the masses . Atheistic ideologies like communism was also used as a tool to annihilate religious people

KingEbukasBlog:
This does not make sense . North Africans during the Barbary Slave Trade enslaved over 1 million Europeans and most of them were Christians

Atheists in communist countries incarcerated Christians , destroyed religious buildings and schools and even killed . With your logic , I can conclude that atheism is bad and the presence of atheism in a country augurs bad development .

You need this :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928%E2%80%9341)

KingEbukasBlog:
How Christianity and Islam destroyed Nigeria



The most economically advanced and wealthiest countries in the world have the Christians preponderant . They still develop despite these "encumbrances " .

Atheist country North Korea uses political religion called the Juche ideology to control the masses . Atheist president Kim channels the country's resources to the military with the desire to subjugate mankind through the development of nuclear weapons .

Atheist country North Korea has no recent memory of halcyon times because of the oppression by the atheist government for more than 5 decades .

KingEbukasBlog:
Evolution is indeed a lie though there are Christians that believe that evolution was the process God used to create and diversify life - obviously they take the creation story as an allegory .

Atheists also believe in the existence of the supernatural - witches , wizards , spirits , evil spirits etc . More details : https://www.nairaland.com/3320685/atheists-believe-reincarnation-spirits-voodoo

KingEbukasBlog:
Christ preached love not hate . The use of bible teachings to justify hate is obviously a pretext .

Atheist countries were intolerant of religious practices and promoted bigotry against religious people .Most communist countries also had no tolerance for homosexuality and feminism .

KingEbukasBlog:
Anytime you have these puerile thoughts , also remember the most advanced countries in the world are Christian countries .

KingEbukasBlog:
Are you actually serious ? Please deactivate your Nairaland account .

Please regale us with more ignorant talks . Thanks bro

TomHagen:
Killing of twins was a more cultural than religious affair, so you see that you can't solely blame religion.

TomHagen:
And it was put to an end by a CHRISTIAN missionary- Mary Slessor...Daaaaahh

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This is my alternate moniker. I've been banned.

Tallesty1:
Sure. I am well aware.

JackBizzle:
Before I go in to criticise religion, we must understand certain basic facts
1) The main problem of Nigeria is corruption not religion (religion is further down the list of problems)
2) USA and UK are secular countries. Their development has little to do with religion/christianity
3) In fact, the top 10 most developed countries (HDI) in the world are all secular and very irreligious (Norway, Australia, switzerland, denmark)
4) Religion is a tool like a gun- it can be used for good or bad. Guns are mostly used for bad.
5) Our colonial masters who took slaves from our country were christians.
5) As an atheist, islam is a worse religion than christianity with regards to tolerance.
How Christianity and Islam destroyed Nigeria
1) Slavery.
-We were first enslaved by Muslims as early as 12th century or even earlier. Then Western white christians came later. The first slave ship was called the "Good Jesus". Slavery is allowed in the holy books of islam and christianity. Muhammad had slaves and the bible tells one how to beat slaves
2) Destroying Nigerian culture
-most Japanese do not believe in Shintoism but you will see many shinto shrines being taken care of as the shrines make tourism money for the Japanese. Nigerians on the other hand have destroyed their ancestral shrines due to christianity and islam.
-Nigerian names used to have meaning. Now we have people bearing Jacob, Isiah, and Josiah- (Jewish names).
-Hausa language and culture has been destroyed by islam and replaced with Arabic culture- why would a Nigerian's name be Muhammad Mubarak? Is hijab a fulani/hausa dress?
-White wedding is now more important than traditional wedding. Church can now say that two people shouldnt get married because they are from different churches.
3) Promoting child-birth (against abortion) and therefore overpopulation and misery
-The catholic church hates condoms.
-Every child is seen as a blessing. Rather than preaching family planning, churches and mosques welcome children and baby dedication.
-Why would a driver that can't feed himself have 10 children?
4) Promoting ignorance
-Telling people that every problem in their life is as a result of people cursing them from the village
-Telling people that evolution is a lie
-Telling people that children can be witches
-Telling people that we are all descendants of adam and abraham (When Nigerian culture is older than Judaism/Jews)
5) Promoting bigotry and intolerance
-we hate gays
-we hate atheists
-we hate pagans (despite we all descended from pagans)
-We hate people from other sects (Protestant vs catholics- Sunni v Shia)
6) Wasting Nigeria's money
-Wasting government money on pilgrimages (both to Isreal and Mecca)
-Government officials tithing with stolen or government funds
-Churches buying private jets (Are jets, jet spare parts and maintenance done by Nigerians?)
7) Promoting inferiority complex to foreigners
-Christians undying love for one of the most racist countries in the world- Isreal
-White Jesus (99% of churches have a white jesus when Jesus is most likely dark skinned)
-Muslims undying love for Saudi Arabia
-Some igbos even claim to be Jews
-American pastors are the best
-Arab imams/clerics are the best
This and many more.
Remain blessed. Ramen!

Ranchhoddas:
Bad governance----> Poor educational system----> Ignorance.

Tallesty1:
Are you aware that atheists also wasted the lives of many Christians?

Ranchhoddas:
...and I tend to disagree. The statement is nothing but an exaggeration of the effects of religion in this country. If anything, bad governance leads to hyper-religiousity and not vice-versa. The woman on the street prays for her son to be healed because of the absence of quality, affordable healthcare. The university graduate prays for a job because there are no jobs. I don't see how religion is preventing our leaders from building roads, schools, and providing jobs or constant power.

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Thailand, Kuwait, Qatar are thriving nations that are highly religious. The problem with Nigeria is nothing but bad leaders. We operate a kakistocracy, the day we start to have competent and selfless leaders, we'll start to make progress and it won't matter if the y are pastors, imams or bishops. I don't see how the removal or reduction of religious behaviour is going to improve our lot. I just don't.

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Talking about proactivity, all the nations caught up in the Arab Spring were and are still highly religious nations, corrupt governments were toppled and religion or the absence of it was not a factor. I must admit that some of the greatest revolutionists the World has ever seen- che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong, Vladmir Lenin, Lee Kwan Yew ( my heroes, I must add) were hardcore irreligious/atheists but you'd see that their irreligiousity had little to do with what they achieved. Nigerians are docile and can be placated with bags of rice, dropping religion will not change them.

winner01:
1) The main problem of Nigeria is not corruption, dishonesty, looting etc, the main problem of nigeria and even the world are people who revere neither God nor human life. People who do not care about human life as long as they are satisfied. Atheists call themselves scientists even though they dont know jack about science, same way some devilish individuals call themselves religious just to acheive their selfish means. Think im lying, read this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/3318021/atheists-should-stop-fighting-religion
2)When USA and UK were majorly religious or even over religious, they prospered rapidly and are still prospering till today despite having far more religious people than non religious people, same goes for most of the world powers such as germany, russia, france etc
3) The countries you mentioned are secular not atheistic. We have seen several atheistic countries in the past and how they unleashed terror in the lives of hundreds of millions. Do not side with secularism, irreligion, science or even religion
4)Religion is a tool not like a gun. Christianity especially has been used to acheive peace and has been credited for the rise and spread of democracy throughout major parts of the world. You have a voice today because of christianity. If Nigeria was fully islamic, we'd both be dead. If Nigeria was fully atheistic, well, If God wills, i might have been dead. Ive given proof of atheistic countries which have existed in the past. Atheism is not the same as irreligion or secularism. Many irreligious people believe in God. Ive led secular groups too. Stand with atheism
5) Our colonial masters who took slaves were both christians and muslims and they can also be credited for the introduction of educational institutes, health and developmental systems of our country. Christianity was also largely influential to the abolition of slavery in our world. Atheism has not solved any major world problems.
6) Christianity is the reason why you are tolerated. You want to know the meaning of tolerance: We have had islamic countries, we have had atheist countries. There have been no officially declared christian country even though we have had and still have the chance. If christianity was like islam or atheism, we would have no problems taking over the world by force this instant.

winner01:
We have tackled this issue of slavery in many threads, even in kingebukas threads. I wonder whether you people ever get tired of repeating the same thing over and over. Christianity was largely influenced in the abolition of slavery and the introduction of a system that has gotten nigeria to where it is today. its not like Atheism abolished slavery, what has atheism been responsible for except the deaths of millions.

winner01:
You people never preach the retention of our culture or even traditional religions. You only bring it up on attack. None of the traditional cultures of Nigeria is based on a NO-GOD system.
There are several ancient sites and structures still retained till today. Almost every yourba person I know has a yoruba name (If you are yoruba, you know this in your heart.) JackBizzle does not sound anything Nigerian, it sounds like a slave traders name. And this is someone who wants us to embrace our culture. I dont care if its just a moniker, you should atleast practise what you preach. Im sure you have a yoruba name.
White wedding is a foreign culture, not a biblical culture. If churches stop people from getting married, i dont really care. I only care if Jesus has stopped one from getting married.

winner01:
This is not even a point. WHy blame religion for this I hope you are not the same person who blamed religion for Nigerias lack of gold medals at the olympics so i can know if im wasting my time. This is outrageous. The Nigerian society has taken family planning seriously.
If uneducated people go against such, the chuch cant reject them like you.
A driver who cant feed himself and has 10 kids needs education and reorientation, not the hatred of atheism.

winner01:
-WHo are those that tell this people Do not forget that the african traditional religions are highly superstituous and we are deeply immersed into that system
-The church does not have time for evolution, its too busy for that lie. I was taught evolution in school, now i know its a lie based on my objective look at the available evidence.
-No one tells people anything. A child can profess himself/herself to be a witch
-WE are descendants of Adam.
No one knows how old anything really is, so keep your infinite knowledge to yourself.

winner01:
Did the Bible ask us to do any of these
-Christianity is non-governmental unlike atheism and islam and has nothing to do with pilgrimage to isreal. A pilgrimage to isreal is not christianic, but do you complain when you hear the names of looters and their looted billions
Are trains, ships and automobile spare parts done by Nigerians?
Can you ever see farther than religion?

winner01:
WE love isreal, you can go kill yourself.
Jesus is Jesus, we dont worship images. My church does not have any image of Jesus, neither do i.
the rest of your points are bigoted and terribly blind

winner01:
I dont really have time to break down the stupidity contained in your submission. WHy not open a thread for both of us on this same issue and tag me.

Thank God for science. God, the greatest scientist created us in his image and has given us the tools needed for our survival. WE will keep mimicking the creativity of God because we were created in that image.
Science has done a lot for the world, not atheism. ATheism is not science. Many of the founders of science were deeply religious. I'm a research scientist and a follower of christ. What has atheism done for you and me?

winner01:
cc: Isaacmacdon.

If you are yoruba, then eranko gidi nie. Olorun be, eniyan lo go.

Isaacmacdon:
What's then the solution? Living without limits? That lame agenda. A world without christianity is doomed. We are spiritual beings and need that bit of connection with the almighty.

Isaacmacdon:
I dig your point tallesty1. I wonder how their minds got tainted with filth. I'm not suprised.

Christians are very innovative people. Take a cue from the u.s and the u.k, these guys are very well developed as a result of the much distinctive manner the christians operated. The church had a huge part to play.

Tallesty1:

He's actually the reason I singled out Christianity while creating this thread because he will use the word religion but everything in the post is directly or indirectly against Christianity. I have always wondered.

sekundosekundo:
In correcting a mistake you don't show mercy. The correction itself is the mercy here.

winner01:
Good God

tempex88:
What wrong With her comment and how does her comment affect Nigeria ? She simply shared her opinion which is what churches preach. U should have just educated her based on ur understanding

Eyekandi:
Wife no.1 is the original wife, you will have to let the second go.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think you should construe his pantheistic beliefs as everything that exists is special because god is everything .

KingEbukasBlog:
You are mixing up the anthropomorphic God with the pantheistic God .

plaetton:
Don't forget that God is just a generic name for a an abstract concept.
There is nothing in the universe called god.

Therefore, when a pantheist says " god " , he is only making reference to a generic concept, for the purpose of discussion.

Our universe is definitely a manifestation of matter. All matter are made of electrons. All electrons behave in the same way no matter where they are. Therefore an electron is the universe. One electron is as good as another, therefore one electron rules the universe.

Therefore one electron is the universe , and the universe is one electron.
In other words, the electron is in the universe, and universe is in the electron.
Similarly, god is in the Universe, and the universe is in God.
This is the summary of the pantheistic worldview.

MrCounselor:
Her barca no even set