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analice107:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Always seeking for relevance.

Just like yahweh...he needs your prayers, your worshio, your offerings. If you dont mention yahweh daily, he feels irrelevant

butterflyl1on:
Are you still coming back to your thread where I smacked pain into your mumu?

A thread you opened to call me a false news bearer but ended up defecating all over yourself as it boomeranged on you?

Let me dance my one corner on your thread some more

I like how you deceive yourself on technicalities.

Kingebukasblog and butterfly1on.

Atheism is a mental disease but your church members roll in the mud for prayers.

Lies and fake news

^^^^

Martinez19, no need to even talk too much. We even have an example with the guy above me. See his reply- it is as if he is deaf to the logical argument you put forward.


The good news is that not all christians are this deaf. Some actually listen and give a good discussion on these points. The annoying ones will see that they dont have either the facts or logic behind them but will stil
L argue.


Can you imagine that a christoan says that atheism is a mental disease but then his church members roll in the mud for prayers

GoodMuyis:
In case you forget this Researches Reveal That Atheism Has Devastating Effects On The Brain - By KingEbukasBlog

This is it the first time you will cast insult with style. As to whether they are delusional or mad read below and cry about it

I John 1:1
1. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it , and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

Trash

ScepticalPyrrho:
This is all I would have said...
Thank you, Sir.

We simply don't know anything about a Creator/First cause, I don't think we ever can - Agnostic.

All religious gods are not known to exist - Atheist. If you disagree, it is pointless to argue, just bring out your God from hiding.

Do you think the dawkins scale is particularly helpful?

budaatum:
Correction
Buda knows "creator" and "god" are not the same thing.

Buda knows "creator" and "god do not exist.

Buda is not agnostic to "creator" and "god".

Buda is atheistic to "creator" and "god".

Buda will be a 7 on Dswkins scale.

Hope that's clear.

Buda is a cool guy.

superhumanist:
Agnosticism should fall under atheism.

I'm yet to see someone who is agnostic about God and then claims to be a theist.

Straight to the point.

butterflyl1on:
You actually erroneously think you are genius?

What herb did you dine with this morning?

Only you would take joke seriously. Swerve please
.

ScienceWatch:
When you increase your energy, you will be able to type 30 lines. Lol SALUTE !

sorextee, I see the genius in your responses though ! Thats why you were added,

In no particular order, true genius is obvious in these Esteemed Nairalanders ; Butterflyl1on, Analice107, Vaxx, HopefulLandlord,
Ishilove, Sorextee, Seun, Pidgin2, Budaatum and more that I cant recall now.

I cant believe you forgot honourable lackbizzle

butterflyl1on:
I know you wish I grace that thread so badly.

So I am key to validating you.

The internet is bigger than me. Use that to validate yourself. It will show you how stupid that thread is.

#singing

Runaway, Run away from me baby.

butterflyl1on:
Running from discussions where I WILL LOSE? LMAO

how on earth can anyone lose a dumb discussion? I am smarter than dumb . And dumb repulses me. So such an ignorant thread is something a one liner would deal with and shut it down.

Your mental ability does not realise how apart atheism is from agnosticism due to its inability to see beyond its minute knowledge. Sorry sorry for you.

#singing

Runaway, Run away from me baby.

butterflyl1on:
Like I said your mumu is very fertile this morning.

The appropriate word (adjective) would either be "strong" or "potent"

"Like I said, your mumu is very potent this morning"


Even your insults are daft.


SWERVE

butterflyl1on:
That thread is as dumb as the one who opened it.

Keep running from discussions where you will lose. How ironic that you claimed that someone else was running

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/the-flash-gif-5.gif

butterflyl1on:
Your mumu, your cross! Knowledge is available for free on the internet. Atheists are not Christian atheists. There is a slight inherent difference. But a classification of Christian atheists is necessary for those who do not believe in a transcendent God (deification) but simply state that God is among men.

Your mumu can drive a perfectly sane man insane

Atheists are not christian atheists


https://www.funnybeing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/WTF-Is-This-Shit-600x378.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eeEyVZiVW_M/hqdefault.jpg

Speaking of mumu-ism,

Dear kingebukasblog and butterflyl10n, show face in this thread since you want to argue that agnostics are not atheists
https://www.nairaland.com/4115987/agnostics-also-atheists-interesting-discussion

(pls no insults and derailing there- I have already notified a mod in advance)

butterflyl1on:
Do you even understand what they mean by the "nones" ? Why are you this dense?

The research is written in English and not in Creole so why is assimilation extremely difficult for you?

Zuckerman is talking about atheists and not about "nones" or "irreligious".

butterflyl1on:
Your mumu is very fertile this morning.

Here is my quote to Amberon11 you can have a feel

I would rather see a link from an atheist website. Your reply is nonsense supported by unreliable links.

There is no such thing as a christian atheist. Nonsense

butterflyl1on:
Ode among the links given was pewresearch and you are bringing Wikipedia.

Extra mumu fall on you dia

As Ebuka said,

Here is 2017 research by PewResearch , stay updated.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/

The pew research negates the OP. Dullard. Pew research put the population of atheists at 16% of the world population while the op is at 2%-1.8%

Wikipedia also quotes and references Zuckerman's book (Zuckerman is a renowned sociologist) which puts atheists at 7-10%


So, in short, Ebuka's op is fake news.


Thannks for listening

butterflyl1on:
Ignorance isn't a thing to be proud of. There are Christian atheists

There is no such thing as a christian atheist. Atheism by definition voids the whole old testament as the old testament is made up of God talking to and directing man. No God, no rules, no commandment, no convenant, no adam and eve....nothing.

Then also, atheism will also make Jesus a liar whenever he talks about his father in heaven.

hopefulLandlord:
Now were heading somewhere, a Christian/Muslim hears I said his god doesn't exist, that I'm 7 to HIS god, then calls me dishonest for not maintaining that 7 to "God of the gaps"

I understand. Kingebukaslog and butterflylying are specialists in acting obtuse and twisting people's words. The other day, I told butterflylying that I am not just an atheist and that I'm also a humanist- can you imagine that the guy started saying that I was being dishonest? As if someone can not hold two different ideas on a multi-dimensional concept like religion.

hopefulLandlord:
okay, nice discussion but let's step back a bit here

what do they mean by "Higher Power"?

I truly have no idea. Maybe some people's gods are not conventional gods. like some greek gods that can be fooled and appeased?

butterflyl1on:
Mega jumbo dumbo the thread is solely about atheists and you are bringing in a goal post shift.

So you brought your monotonous stupidity to this thread as well?

Oya, Zuckerman estimates atheists- thank God he didnt mention agnostics. Oya, do you now accept your thread as fake news?


Phil zuckerman estimates there to be 500 to 750 million atheists in the world. 7 to 10% as at 2007
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#cite_note-CambridgeZuckerman-1

So why should i believe a dubious set of statistics from a christian site that claims that atheists are only 140 million in the world?

hopefulLandlord:
if its a religious god then I'm a whooping 7 on that scale; at least based on the religious gods I know of right now

No shaking bro. I am the same on that. Religious gods are supernatural skydaddies....(and goddesses)

hopefulLandlord:
this is why almost all stats capturing atheists become open to bias

They change their definition of atheists based on whim, This is the main reason I booked a space on your thread yesterday but didn't do anything with the space

when they say "Atheists population is increasing/decreasing" what do they define as "atheist" out of the 4 different definitions I gave up there? or is there another one they're using? none of you or Kingebukasblog knows what they mean yet you guys kept arguing with each other on it, I guess observing discussions can make one see clearer than involving oneself sometimes; This question of what they define as atheist makes me think all these demographics and census are not only unreliable but borders on total uselessness!

In that Dawkins' scale, what does he mean by "God"?

As for the stats, they ask a question

Do you believe in God or higher power- Yes or No?

So, the stats are not biased.
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Sometimes, the questionnaire asks which beliefs you belong to;

hopefulLandlord:
this is why almost all stats capturing atheists become open to bias

They change their definition of atheists based on whim, This is the main reason I booked a space on your thread yesterday but didn't do anything with the space

when they say "Atheists population is increasing/decreasing" what do they define as "atheist" out of the 4 different definitions I gave up there? or is there another one they're using? none of you or Kingebukasblog knows what they mean yet you guys kept arguing with each other on it, I guess observing discussions can make one see clearer than involving oneself sometimes; This question of what they define as atheist makes me think all these demographics and census are not only unreliable but borders on total uselessness!

In that Dawkins' scale, what does he mean by "God"?

He was talking to a Rabbi, if I remember clearly, so it must have been a religious God

hopefulLandlord:
it depends on how you define atheism

the main reason I didn't bother to involve myself in the discussion yesterday was not because I didn't have something to say but because I've observed a very huge dishonesty used in defining atheist by Christians

one day its "Someone who lacks belief in any god"

on another its "someone who believes no god exists"

on another day it would be "Someone who says no god exists"

On another day it becomes "Someone who rejects deification"


I've always observed they chose whatever definition they want based on the agenda they have so I don't even bother with such a discussion anymore as I've observed its usually 2 people talking past each other, one trying to force an agenda and the other not seeing through the other person


TBH I'm starting to care less and less about labels because they most likely doesn't describe us well, it puts us in a position where we have to defend ourselves in relation to the group they say/we say we belong to

Here's MY own position on this, I'm agnostic to a "Creator" I'm of the opinion that there's still a possibility that there's a creator, however I'm not saying there's one and neither saying there isn't BUT for the claims of religious gods I'm a 100% atheist especially the abrahamic god,

the problem now starts when I'm to label myself/ when people are to label me, I call myself agnostic atheist, agnostic to creator so long there are still things we as humans don't know yet, I'm atheistic to ALL the religious gods I know; I emphasise myself as an atheist however simply because those I usually discuss with are people that subscribe to the god I'm atheistic to; I will only become agnostic when someone like Deepsight, Raphiemontella, NPComplete, Anonynymous brings up their own idea of god, since I haven't argued with them in my close to 2 years of being in the religion section, I see no reason to claim agnostic; what then does those I'm atheistic to their god then do? they then hide under the god idea of those I mentioned up there and then tells me to defend my "Atheistic" stand; this becomes problematic and when I tell them I'm agnostic to that idea of a god they'll accuse me of being dishonest

I've observed most Nairaland atheists actually hold my stand too


let me stop this rant here and get back to your question, are agnostics also atheists? it depends on how you define the word "atheist"

or let me ask you, what label would you give me based on my stance?

From what you have said, you are a 6 on the dakwings scale of 7. This means that you're an agnostic atheist.

You, just like budaatum know that "creator" and "god" are not the same thing. So, you are agnostic towards a creator and atheist towards all gods.

Interesting.

GoodMuyis:
WHO WILL LIE TO THE POINT OF DEATH?

Review what you post, with free mind and you will see that you have not make any sense as to why atheism is not strugglin
If Christians preach false news DO YOU THINK those who preach the testify of Jesus even to the point of death are Joking
Its a scientific fact that No Matter what lies a group of people may be propagating, many will pull back when faced with treat to their life

A delusional or mad person will believe a delusion to the point of death. Religion affects the brains of people. Imagine people eating grass for their pastors- why wouldn't they preach christ to the point of death?

Well I find it funny that people like Felixomor and butterflyl1on are pained that atheism is growing in Nigeria. cc Kingebukasblog

cc, hahn, hopefullandlord, adepeter2027, hardmirror, deepsight, jayriginal, tingtingz, ultron12345, otematum, Ioseph et al

So, a well known liar on the religion section was caught lying about atheist statistics. He argued against all the research-backed statistics of atheists in the world because the statistics included both "atheists and agnostics"

His argument was that agnostics are not atheists.


I am interested to see other people's opinions on this but before that, here are my reasons why agnostics are atheists.


1) When asked to fill in a "YES/NO" question about belief in God, agnostics from my experience always pick "NO".

2) Most studies on atheism I have seen group atheists and agnostics together when it comes to getting the total number of atheist. Even the wikipedia page on atheist statistics does this. Some even group atheist and agnostics as the same.

3) There are people who call themselves agnostic atheists. Even atheist lord Richard Dawkins calls himself an agnostic.

4) Agnostics, be they pure agnostics or even atheist agnostics, do not have a positive believe in god.They could be undecided or on the fence but they still do not have any positive belief towards god.

5) Regarding point number 3, here is the Dawkins scale;


https://godlessmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/dawkins-scale.png




SO DO YOU AGREE THAT AGNOSTICS ARE ATHEISTS?

KingEbukasBlog:
Apparently , you missed the point . Look up to see why

Nice try