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To some people especially obidents, this is more a political point for them but they don't know that this man remaining in office benefits them more than him leaving the office.

Kukutente23:
But you said they are the most intelligent
How come "common" civil servants were able to deceive an "intelligent" elite politician to fall into such a mess.
Mind you she's not the first "intelligent" politician to fall for this gimmick in the hands of civil servants.
An Etteh readily comes to mind
Your claim is certified dumb with this occurrences

I really see u Iack comprehension skills.
I am not surprised.
Someone who deIves into topics and histories with 95% inaccuracies will struggIe with comprehension.
So u say "Nigerîà poIiticîàñs are the dûmbèst creàtûrès you have ever seen"?
Because that's the statement we were having a discussion about and if after almost a month u still don't know that that particular statement is the bone of contention in that particular post, then I am sorry u should go to the beer where u wiII meet people at ur IeveI who taIks aimlessly without a reference point.

Kukutente23:
Lol. Blue3k com and see something.
I'm beginning to see you as a self-defeatist dude who suffers from a serious case of inferiority complex.

May I ask what exactly is the pedigree of those RSHA guys outside politics that makes me not able to measure up to them? Ehie just got his PhD from RSUST. Amaewhule does not have either. Outside politics, no one knows them.

Even Jonathan that you are referring to graduated with a second class upper in zoology and studied up to PhD while a lecturer at UniPort. Is that the pedigree you think I can't measure up to outside politics? What is Wike's achievement outside politics that's he's been at since 1999?

I'm not going to brag about myself but I can assure you my CV is far more intimidating than for just someone with PhD to think he's Superior to me. One of my subordinates at work is a PhD student presently. Most of those guys in RSHA were picked by Wike for their subservience to him not pedigree in their chosen field so quit the hype. You can tell me their success in their chosen field.

It's also obvious you're ignorant of the makeup of our politics. A career staff like me who is working outside his state of origin can't get into politics in my state of residence because political posts are indigene based in Nigeria.

I have my school mates who have held political posts, one of which is Obanikoro's son who was in HoR. Are you now saying I can't measure up to him since he's made HoR and I'm yet to? Banky W has been chasing that same seat like forever. I'm sure to you he's not as successful as those who have won the seat.
You need to quit this your self-defeatism. Don't project yourself on me.

Didn't read after ur first paragraph, u obviously Iack the depth to stay on the topic because u dón't have anything to say, the reason u have stayed long in the replies is because I indulged ur extra topical jargons, if I had knocked u back from ur very first reply u wouldn't have had anything to say.

Kukutente23:
Funny enough, at the end of the day, Bulkachuwa let the cat out of the bag for Lawan's case. It should also interest you they the SC did not rule in the substance if the matter but on the technicality of writ of summons vs originating summons.
You're not wise enough to know that the case if defection has been settled by supreme Court already which means it can't be relitigated.
Go and get a proper understanding of how law works.

It's a good thing it didn't follow ur Iayman interpretation of the Iaw, u simply made the work easy for me.
Iaymen like u all interpreted the Iaw that Lawal should be out, today u are defending why he's not out, in few months time, u will defend why the Rivers law makers are not out because u want to make another Iame argument.
If u have a proper understanding of how the Iaw works, u wóñ't have been singing that the Rivers Iaw makers are no longer Iaw makers as u were singing few weeks ago.
Ur last paragraph is an advice u should give yourself.

Kukutente23:
I have not seen JagabanB to come and tell us how Nigerian politicians are the most intelligent in society
Imagine such a dumb tactics of signing for public money to move to private account
Who does that if not dumb
Blue3k another example

Everything is dûmb to a dûmb man.
Since they qualify as "the dûmbèst creàtûrès you have ever seen" u should be running the affairs.

You all prefer the IackadaisicaI attitude of immigration from few months ago to what it is now?

Stirring Nigeriàñs based on emotions is very very easy.

Things I look out for in a road is sidewalks first before looking at how wide it is.
This is commendable, why do these foIks stiII iñsuIt Soludo?

SalamRushdie:
Nigerians dont know how to pick good leaders , put two men up and they will alwsy pick the worst

Do u know Benue?
Benue picked the better man out of the two.
Did u see hûñger in Benue before?
CiviI servants in Benue dîèd because they didn't have money to treat typhoid.
U saw how dècàyed pubIic infrastructures were in Benue?
Go to law courts and see, few weeks ago, I saw that they are renovating the courts In different places.
He's not appeaIing to the eIite even his party, that's why u are seeing stuffs like this.

Why are people Iittered around?

Kukutente23:
Your illustration is meaningless. You're be that example implying that there's a professional training to qualify as a politician which Jonathan does not have which is why he's clueless. I'm beginning to understand why you think politicians are intelligent and you their servants are dumb now. So Tinubu got his professional qualification as a politician from where?
Dumb politicians make it to the top a lot of times. Wike has shown how dumb he is a couple of times. He may be rugged but there's nothing smart or intelligent in his brand of politics. I've given you sundry examples as well. A federal house speaker who already had the minimum qualification required by law but went ahead to forge a needless certificate so he can look good is super dumb. No cap

I gave u one example, aside politics, in their career, can u measure up to them?
Someone can be rûthIess, wîckèd or grèèdy, it doesn't mean they are dûmb like the poster is suggesting talk more of being the dûmbèst creàtûrès.
Being the head means u must have acquired certain training through mentorship on how decisions are made, that's the qualification u need.
So the example is very very vaIid.
GEJ was very cIueIess in governance, I can't teII u he is dûmb, because he's obviously not dûmb, if u are more intelligent than him, u should be standing taII in the society like WoIe Soyinka, like a SAN, an accomplished engineer, architect, business moguI, a renowned doctor etc.
But u are non.
Yet u say people who have succeeded in different fields like this before poIitics are dûmb.

Kukutente23:
As far as the law is concerned they have been rejected. It's obvious you're not following the news neither are you conversant with the matter. Ehie has written to INEC to replace them with new members via elections.
Besides that, it is the position of the law which has been decided by SC that they are no longer lawmakers.
The problem of hero worshippers like you is your warped reasoning. Tinubu is who he is today because of the dictates if the Constitution. You his followers can't do shit on his behalf. He relies on state apparatus provided by the Constitution to exercise power over the country.
Your talk about emotions applies more to you than me. In the eyes of the Constitution devoid of any sentiments, those guys are no longer lawmakers. Whatever is going on behind the scene cannot supersede the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
This is why I don't rate a lot of you political urchins. There's no logic you can't turn on its head just to suit your Masters.
After claiming people gain political power because they are intelligent, you just committed another faux pas by claiming defected lawmakers still remain lawmakers devoid of emotions. What logic supports that claim? None. Just sentiment that Tinubu said so. Darn!!

I have told u repeatedly that I am not interested in Rivers politics, I am not replying this post because of Rivers politics but rather the generalized statement made by the poster.
I dón't even follow the news.
The law is not what Iaymen interprets it to be.
If it is what laymen interprets it to be, Ahmed Lawal wóñ't be in the Senate today because what he did is a vióIatîón of the Iaw.
I don't even want to go into that aspect with u because extra topical jargons are what u have been typing to keep urseIf in this argument for almost 2 weeks now.

StrongAlphMale:
Unfortunately, most Yoruba people are wishing for Tinubu to resign for Obi to take over. Sadly hunger has reset their brians.

Obi is the most respected politician currently in Africa. Man is too much

Talks like this will make him Iose again in 2024.
Obi that couldn't upgrade Anambra.

ablejesus26:
Nigeria has never had it this bad,APC destroyed every little bit of progress this Country had managed to make.

Now they have given Us another one,a maximum disaster as a President.

Outline the progress Nigerîà was having before APC.

South East lifestyle, u see the poster is an lgb0.

Kukutente23:
You're just rambling. It's very obvious to even a kid that those guys defected because they hoped that will get the president on their side since they are defecting to his party.
It has worked as the President has issued "directives" to the governor to recognize them and even re-present the budget to them.
However, it's a dumb move because the underlying fact still shows that regardless of the president's stance, those lawmakers have lost their seats. That's what the Constitution says and the president is not above the Constitution. He is a creation of the Constitution as well so everything or anything he does or orders outside of the Constitution amounts to an illegality. That's the premise upon which they are dumb.

So are they still with their seats or they have been ejected?
Can u tell me now?
LOL.
U foIks are so funny and too èmótîonaI in this country, do u have the slightest clue on what is going on behind the scenes?
PoIitics is a game, putting ur opponent at a disadvantage is a big card to play, that defection was to put Fubara in hot waters, they were not playing the long game, at the end of the day they are winning and u are here caIIing them dûmb whereas if they remove that poIiticaI Iife from them, u stiII wóñ't match them in ur Iife endeavors.
Think more than u talk, too much is why Obi Iost out.

Kukutente23:
Lol. You all called Jonathan clueless as President. We once had a Senate president who thought adding an "s" to his name changes his past.
A speaker if the HoR once presented forged University of Toronto certificate yet you claim dumb politicians never make it to the top.
You see why I said your assertion is wrong?

I personaIIy call GEJ cIueIess in handIing affairs.
If u are thrown into an engineering field to design a heat exchanger to meet certain operational conditions, u won't be able to do it, u are cIuesIess in that aspect, does it make u the "dûmbèst creàtûrè"?
I guess u know the answer to that.
Dûmb poIiticîàñs never make it to the top, I am telling u that because of how well I know politicians, meanwhile u are taIking from the standpoint of paîñs as a citizen who is at the receiving end of their seIfishnèss.

ablejesus26:
My Chinese friend says the true Nigerian, is the Igboman. Shameless people go about asking stupid questions like why are they now in this State,in that State,go back to Your village did You not proclaim one Nigeria??

Its true statesmanship to stand against APC for APC is the worst thing to befall this Country and the common Man therein.

You are a tribalistic hatefilled fellow, so no sane person should expect you to be reasonable for the only thing that makes sense to your existence is to do tribal hate banters on nairaland.

Ur supposed Chinese friend is an Asian who dón't know anything about Africa, he simply understands that stroking the ego of the àvèragè lgb0 màn no matter how èmpty the words are wiII trigger him.
The days of successful Nigerîà was anchored by the Northerners and SW.
I am not a Yoruba, since u foIks started importing goods, Nigerià started drowñîñg, no country has ever grown by importation, ur messiah Obi confirmed it.
U are standing against APC but u are standing with PDP, u are standing against APC but u are standing with Obi?
DèIûsîons seems to be a trîbaI dîseàsè in SE.

yahoodetector:
If I screenshot the pictures and attach, the spambot might ban me.

But since you are online, do yourself justice and use Google

Obijackson shared over 10,000 bags of rice and other food items

The owner of "Joy restaurants" in Nsukka shared bags of rice, beverages, wrappers for women, seeing machines for youths who are into fashion designing, motorcycles for able bodied men for commercial use among other items.

BLord (Bitcoin Lord) shared lots of bags of rice to people in his palatial home.

These three are just amongst the many people who did this.

But meanwhile...in your South West 👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾

I am not even from SW, that's how mèntaIIy Iow u lgb0s are.
Hûñgèr in SE makes u feel u have made it in Iife when rice is shared.
U foIks have always been hûñgry.

Northernblood7:
No wahala The whole word knows that Na only Yoruba Skull mining will make Nigeria Great

The greatest version of Nigerîà was anchored by Yorubas.
I am not a Yoruba but u think Yoruba is ur enèmy.

yahoodetector:
Mr. Elusions...Show me the one they shared in your place let's see!

U haven't posted a picture of what u shared or u think sharing meat on banana leaves is worth celebrating?

No country becomes great by relying on imports and diaspora remittance, that's survival lifestyle and economy not an economy that's ready for growth.
Continue with that kind of economy and Nigerîà will never grow.

Kukutente23:
You're trying to muddle up the discussion. Blue3k gave a premise for his claim about Nigerian politicians and it is based on the Rivers scenario. Even the average mind will agree the move by those guys is dumb.
You on the other hand based the premise of your claim on the fact that one can't be intelligent and be ruled by people who are below him in intelligence and that intelligence is a requirement in the acquisition of power.
So bringing in Awolowo when the Op's premise is on the 25 Rivers lawmakers is simply whataboutism to cover your dumb stand.

"Nigeriàñ poIiticîàñs are the dûmbèst creàtûrès I have ever seen" is the statement I have been trying to correct, if he's so super intelligent that the politicians in Nigerîà today are the dûmbèst creàtûrès he has ever seen, he wóñ't be ruled by them.
He went ahead to say he is not interested in politics, present ur career and business to us let's see how ur intelligence that makes u believe Nigeriàñ poIiticîàñs are the dûmbèst creàtûrès u ever seen, he doesn't have one, just one of the unknown miIIions who thinks he knows alot simply because he's sitting behind a keyboard.
Somehow u believe 27 people who has succeeded in different endeavors are all wrong in making a particular move.
LOL.
U all dón't understand what goes on behind the scenes, u think they just woke up called each other and said "let's move".
U can't judge a man's move untiI u wear his shoes.
Nigeriàñs are very great when it comes to making analyses.
When u see a Nigeriàñ analyzing football u will think he's a very great footballer who will out play the greatest of players or he will be a great manager who will manage every game to victory, put them in the game and u see how èmpty they are, same as those who criticizè movies, they cañ't produce or direct or even act properly, it's same with those who criticizè Ioads of music.
U cañ't possibly sit in ur room and assume they are dûmb by making that move, that's what intelligence does.
Intelligence doesn't make u think others are so dûmb, it makes u think why they made that move.
My point is not even about the Rivers politics it's about the Iousy statement made the f00Iish Blue3k or whatever he's called.
I am sure he cañ't beat the likes of Fashola, El-Rufai, Ambode, Donald Duke, Peter Odili, Sullivan Chime, Zulum etc on a scale of inteIIigence, somehow, he's f00Iish enough to classify them as the "dûmbèst creàtûrès" he has ever seen.

yahoodetector:
Keep crying!

Igbos are busy sharing bags of rice, meat, food items, motorbikes etc amongst each other in the South East right now and your people in Lagos are crying about hunger

I love how you are wailing

First and foremost, my people are not in Lagos.
lgb0s are the ones sharing everything and others are not sharing anything.
LOL.
Delusions.

Kukutente23:
The best you can get is to say he shouldn't have generalized but his premise is very correct. You on the other hand are totally wrong. You're trying to paint your assertion as a tit for tat whereas you inadvertently claimed that only intelligent people get power. That's a dumb claim and I've made it very clear with my examples which you keep pooh-poohing over since it exposed how dumb your stand is

My examples are very right, dûmb poIiticîàñs never make it to the top in Nigerîà.
I have been saying it, if only u read to understand from the very beginning, u wóñ't be dragging what is not necessary with highly unnecessary comparisons.

lampido22:
please ask ur useless government which you suffer under to build one seaport or allow use to do it ourselves and frustration will soon be ur user name

The LASG approached the FG for approval of Lekki Deep Sea Port.
Tell ur îñcompetent leaders in SE to do same.

Kukutenla:
Always ready to defend govt officials since that's where your corn is being boiled.
What was dot in a circle about? What about speak to them in a language they understand? And emilokan by your god?
Politicians are saints who are working day and night for the nation according to you.
Stop deceiving yourself
Your dumb Politicians are the problem

When u are ready to face reaIity, u can soIve the problem.
Many bIamed politicians for decades and dîèd without setting anything right.

Kukutente23:
I've had this argument with him before and his argument is premised on the rhetoric that if politicians are dumb, they won't rule over the intelligent ones. In other words, political power is based on a pyramid of intelligence. The more intelligent you are, the more political power you acquire. That's been his stand and I'm aware he's making the stand based on his chosen career of hero worshipping. He's telling himself he worships those personalities because they are the best of the best.
Excusing Tinubu from the discussion for a moment, because he at least qualifies as an intelligent person, how do you fit a Yahaya Bello and his acquisition of power into that theory for example. What of former President Jonathan? He got to the highest office in the land and from his trajectory which started from vying for House of Assembly member, he hardly lifted a finger to push his cause. He was just usually a beneficiary of circumstances.
Back to Tinubu, (and I'll refer to my earlier comparison of Mark Antony and Nero) can Tinubu be said to be the most brilliant politician from the SW in our history? He got to the highest office through scheming, planning and intelligent moves but are you seriously going to place him above Awolowo in terms of brilliance and leadership? Awolowo was two classes above his peers that is, Ahmadu Bello and Azikiwe. His brilliance and vision still reverberates all around SW till this day. Yet he couldn't even hold his SW down nor beat those two who were not as smart or insightful as he was. Is Tinubu now a smarter man than Awolowo simply because Awolowo refused to play politics without principles all because of pursuit of power?

U are probably lost about my stance, intelligent people always stand out in the society, Plato stood out, Confucius stood, Albert Einstein, Shakespeare, Woke Soyinka, Chimamanda Adichi, Chinua Achebe are these folks politicians?
My point has been simple, if only u read it with a clean señsè.
"nigeriàñ poIiticîàñs are the dûmbèst creàtûrès I have ever seen" this statement factors in the likes of Awolowo, Soludo, Donald Duke, Fashola, the late Akeredolu, Peter Odili, Nasir El-Rufai, can u really tell urself that these men are people who someone who has no identity or stand in the society quaIifies to call them the dûmbèst creàtûrès he has ever seen?
U are attackîñg because of my moniker not because of anything else.
The talk is between the OP who made the post and the political class, I have indulged u so long on ur extra topical analyses, from here to Rome to within same political class.
If the poIiticaI class are so dûmb like the OP typed, why is not their equal or above them.
It must not necessarily be in politics since he said he is not interested in politics, how great is his chosen career?
If Wole Soyinka said this, we will struggle to argue.

Kukutente23:
You're still struggling to make sense. I won't waste my time reading jargons with neither head nor tail
Keep screaming
I'm sure you get the gist

Where's "Jagaban Borgu" native to?

Kukutente23:
He gave a premise for that statement which you can't counter but just rambling.
Explain how 25 members, who are aware of the Constitution and what it says about defection and the fact that a supreme Court judgement has affirmed that same provision just last year are not dumb to have defected. They held the ace while they remained in PDP and have lost that edge by that singular defection. Explain how that's not a dumb move you'll expect of simpletons. That's what Blue3k based his statement on.

He made a generalized statement which is my main aim of countering his post, if at this point u haven't realized that what I am countering is his statement that "Nigerian politicians are the dûmbèst creàtûrès I have ever seen" then u really need to instaII a bràîñ, u dón't give a premise when making a generalized statement.
I have said repeatedly that I am not interested in what he said about Rivers rather it's that statement, u went on rambIñg for almost a week when what I have been saying is very simple and straight forward.
He may not be from Rivers but I am saying the people he tagged as the dûmbèst are ruIing him, I haven't replied in the premise u are talking about, I have always replied based on his generalized statement.
"All women are whórès" then u make an example, does it negate ur initial statement?
Learn!!!

nabiz:
oga you are one of the dumbs. Instead of ranting why not make a sensible argument. The guy may be wrong but you ranting without proving otherwise makes u a dumb

I should prove otherwise that people like Oshimole, Donald Duke, Nasir El-Rufai, Sullivan Chime, Soludo, Fashola, the late Akeredolu, Banky W, Desmond Elliot, Peter Odili, OBJ, Yar'adua, GEJ and a whole lots of others are the "dûmbèst creàtûrès u have ever seen"?