₦airaland Forum

Tflex01:
That is to tell you how ignorant they are in drug knowledge.

Can a Pharmacist be oblivious of pharmacognosy? A whole department in pharmacy training?

You are lucky because some persons spend way more for project of that magnitude.

Nothing is more funny to me than when a doctor claims to have knowledge of drugs than a pharmacist that spent years studing pharmaceutics, pharmacology, pharmacognosy, pharmaceutical chemistry, Pharmaceutical microbiology and others.

they are just greedy clowns

see him saying pharmacists should prescribe drugs. he doesn't even know prescription is not necessarily the writing on paper but the authority of the Dr/pharmacist that say says take 1 tablet 3 times daily for 1 week.

they are ignorant like that!!!

capitalzero:
slowpoke. act by whom?

the doctor, the dentist, the pharmacist, the physiotherapist!!!

doctors are not the only ones that can prescribe. illiterate

Racoon:
Jonathan is not a soldier but he is physical imposing & far smart looking than a lanky Buhari that have the look of a puppet being controlled by strings.(presidency cabal)

Recall how wind blew him off balance when he returned from his 106days hospitalization in London last year.
Buhari did a walkout today of course because of political publicity stunt that did not involved rigorous exercise like what is being done here
Let Buhari try this.Guess an air ambulancd must be on standby for emergency evacuation to continue his London bedrest.

illiterate

Jonathan is 60

buhari is 75!!!

capitalzero:
http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/en/d/Jwhozip23e/5.4.html

info for you on drug prescription

and I repeat the prescription is the act and not just the writing on paper!!!

olodo

capitalzero:
publish it to become one of useless professors in the country.

oh and the thousands of medical doctors are useful? we see your clinics by the side of the road everywhere where you employ one small girl to dispense drugs and abort pregnancies

capitalzero:
herbal researcher. 300k on useless project. answer my questions first. drug research my foot. your lecturers just wasted your money in doing useless research

btw are patented drugs not from herbs at the initial stage before their synthetic derivatives were compounded into tablets?

seeing the term herbal as derogatory is another level of your ignorance. let me enlighten you more

Google the term PHARMACOGNOSY and come and tell me what you see

ignoramus

capitalzero:
herbal researcher. 300k on useless project. answer my questions first. drug research my foot. your lecturers just wasted your money in doing useless research

useless project that I can pick up and publish now?

the way you call a good research work that is meant to train a final year student useless shows how bitter and ignorant you are!!!

capitalzero:
olodo. tell me various components of prescription?

lol so you think I don't know how to read a prescription after I mention 2g stay up there? you are a clown


the prescription is not the later writing but the act of authorising the use of the drug!!! English is a big problem for you

capitalzero:
herbal research? you are a magnificent clown? tell me active ingredient in your fruit juice? which methods will use to separate components of fruit juice according to their properties? how would you isolate each component? which methods and why? what is preclinical trial? what are clinical trials? what are different phases of clinical trials? at what healthy objects and patients involve? why is that physicians always involve in last phases of clinical trials before drugs are endorsed for human use.

is what I did not the first stage of drug research?

can you go ahead and do clinical trials without first testing on animals? coming from a doctor that did questionaire as final year project while I spent almost 300k as at 2011

and yes I knew the active constituents!!! I went ahead to do HPLC (chromatography) which I paid heavily for. I did vitamin and mineral analysis to know the composition of the fruit juice!!!

so because it's the first stage it's not drug research? is that not how those that spent billions on research started? you crawl before you run!!!

you are the ignorant fellow here

Jman06:
No problems! Med doctors should exchange their medical practice with teaching anatomy, physiology and biochemistry. But they must be ready to get a PhD in those fields!! That is the "international best practice"! Nigerian doctors cannot change the standards just for their selfish ends. NUC should also ensure that no doctor in the academia would be in private practice because that would negatively affect their academic works.

Until Nigerian doctors stop employing quacks to dispense drugs in their clinics, pharmacists would continue to prescribe drugs! After all, they are in a better position to do that given their training in pathology of common diseases!

don't mind them

they'll open a clinic in a bedroom flat and employ one NCE holder to hold the pharmacy for them

capitalzero:
who is ignorant now?

Prescription: A physician's order for the preparation and administration of a drug or device for a patient. A prescription has several parts. They include the superscription or heading with the symbol "R" or "Rx", which stands for the word recipe (meaning, in Latin, to take); the inscription, which contains the names and quantities of the ingredients; the subscription or directions for compounding the drug; and the signature which is often preceded by the sign "s" standing for signa (Latin for mark), giving the directions to be marked on the container.

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11896

so the pharmacist that spent years studying the chemical composition, lethal dose, effective dose, pharmacology and biochemistry of drugs is not in the position to tell the patient what to take?

is that not prescription? hehehehe

prescription is not the writing on paper but the act of authorising the use of a drug. if as a pharmacist I give someone a pack of antibiotics I just prescribed!!!

ignoramus!!!

capitalzero:
how many research institutes do we have in the country for graduates of basic medical sciences to work? there are no research opportunities in Nigeria because there is no funding. how many rich men set up medical research foundations or donate large sum for research? tell universities to stop admitting students recklessly in those departments. why should a university admit 250 students into anatomy department? for what purpose? how would they learn? where are the bodies for dissections? stop blaming doctors for your unemployment. learn from nursing admission process, it is tightly regulated.

you are clown and you know nothing about drug research

I worked on the anti-ulcer effect of the fruit juice of annona muricata (please Google the plant) using over 200 rats for 4 different models (alcohol induced, nsaid induced ulcer and pyloric ligation model) and toxicity study to determine lethal dose, etc.

while my fellow room mates and so called doctors went to APIN clinic to collect data and some doctors did questionaire project.


is my project not research work? no one did that research that I did for my project work before I did it in 2011.

is that not research work? is that not in Nigeria? you are ignorant!!!

capitalzero:
on PhD matter, mdcn/npmcn/wacp/nma are on it with nuc. soon, medical students will be taught by doctors only that is best way of producing sound doctors. know that. nothing can change that. doctors will continue to prescribe drugs while pharmacists will continue to dispense and point to prescription errors. But tell pharmacists to stop prescribing and dispensing drugs in their stores. It is illegal to do the same.

are these drugs not made by fellow pharmacists? so it is illegal for the pharmacists that also work in production to prescribe the drugs but it is legal for doctors that have no clue as to the chemical composition or even half life to so the prescription? hehehehe

VeeVeeMyLuv:
World famous Louis Pasteur, Salk, Sabin, Hilleman, all made their mark on earth as practicing basic medical scientist.

Courses you all are lambasting and trying all means to murder.

thank you!!! pharmacists, microbiologists and biochemists spend billions of dollars on medical and drug research yearly while the doctors mostly sit back and prescribe.

same thing I told him up there

Acidosis:
Lol, I didn't study medicine in school so I'm not speaking based on sentiments. As far as I'm concerned, there is no correlation between your undergraduate study and what you do. Just so you know, I took pharmacology courses for 3 years and in fact, many of my lecturers had MBBS, so I am talking based on my experience on the politics and stereotypical culture of a typical basic medical college in Nigeria.

By the way, my comment is largely directed at those seeking to pursue a career in the medical field, which is largely the aim of majority who find themselves in the basic medical college.

What's the point of studying Anatomy and Pharmacology when at the end of the day, the only job available to you is medical sales rep? Need I remind you the meaning and definition of pharmacology? So those lab rats you acquired for your projects are meant to market and supply drugs?

By the way, I have no business with people's salaries, but I do have issues with repeating outdated courses and courses with no clear cut career opportunities in the current day Nigeria. This is why I suggested new generational courses such as Medical Sales, etc.

Are you not worried that universities continue to admit B.Sc. Physiology, etc students only to face the stereotypical and oppressive culture of a typical health institution? Do you know the number of M.Sc. Anatomy, M.Sc. Physiology wasting away in Nigeria today? You know why? Doctors won't allow you lecture so why waste your time?

Google medical sale representative openings abroad and you'll see that drug knowledge is the key requirement.

medical sales is more than just walking into a shop and exchanging the product for cash!!!

there is detailing where you explain the biochemistry and pharmacology of the drug to the doctors before they write prescriptions of the drugs for their patients. there are also clinical meetings and presentations too. I still see doctors that don't know secnidazole and metronidazole are in the same nitro-imidazole group!!! the only difference is their half life and that is why metronidazole is taken 3 times daily and secnidazole is 2g stat.
I still detailed to a dentist about secnidazole three days ago and he didn't even know it!!! some of the doctors don't even know the application of mefenamic acid. drug science (Pharmacy/pharmacology) is so broad that professionals are needed to work as medical representatives cos there is a serious need to pass the knowledge of the biochemistry and pharmacology of the drug to doctors who are more focused on the clinical applications!!! the job of the pharmacist is not just to dispense drugs alone.

no other professional knows more about the drug than the pharmacist and pharmacologist that spent years studying drug chemistry alone!!!

so pharmacists and pharmacologist working as medical representatives are in the right field!!!

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Only in Nigeria!

This guys are one of the groups responsible for the high rate of employment among basic medical sciences course graduates.

In nigeria the heart of men are wicked, they just like to kill and destroy, they cannot think of building. Very very extremely selfish and insensitive.

Medical laboratory scientists, pharmacists and medical doctors (especially) oya kukuma go and ask National University commission (NUC) to scrap/stop all basic medical sciences courses since that's what is in your hearts,

Wicked lots.

Kai some people here are already calling them useless. Naija!

and the equally insensitive leaders do not care either.

they are greedy!!! that's it!!! in developed countries people who are not MBBS graduates teach medical students and no one is complaining.

we want to copy their system of education but our doctors want to put their own greed

capitalzero:
PhD in anatomy etc will be relevant. for example, in anatomy department, courses will be assigned to lecturers based on professional background while those with medical degree teach medical students others teach students in basic medical sciences like physiology, biochemistry, mls,nursing,radiography etc based on their areas of expertise. Even with that those with PhDs in molecular biology, genetics,nanotechnology will be teaching all students including medical students because those areas very technical.

good then tell the government to create special units for these courses for medical students.

capitalzero:
I have interacted with anatomy/physiology/biochemistry students and graduates I conclude that most do not know prospects in their disciplines. those courses are not limited to medicine alone. They are broad disciplines with application in vet medicine, animal health, fishery, botany , pharmaceutical, research in medicine etc and other allies health courses. They need to change their orientation.

ignorance

so because you interacted with a few out of the hundreds of thousands of graduates of such courses in a country where opportunities are highly limited for those courses to flourish you concluded they don't know the prospects?


most of the ground-breaking inventions in medicine are not even by medical doctors. they've been mostly by pharmacists, biochemist and microbiologists. these are the people that spend billions of dollars in drug research while the doctors just sit back waiting for the results of such research to make their life easier.

capitalzero:
PhD in anatomy etc will be relevant. for example, in anatomy department, courses will be assigned to lecturers based on professional background while those with medical degree teach medical students others teach students in basic medical sciences like physiology, biochemistry, mls,nursing,radiography etc based on their areas of expertise. Even with that those with PhDs in molecular biology, genetics,nanotechnology will be teaching all students including medical students because those areas very technical.

good then tell the government to create special units for these courses for medical students.

Abatemtem:
It has its pros and cons depending on the angle you take it from.

It'll stop victimization of these students by lecturers taking the affected courses.
Teaching would be practical based.

Though a nursing student, I can remember when Dr Abdul Malik took me anatomy in year two. Her teachings were clinically based and I could relate when I got to the wards for postings.

But this development would really being about shortage of man power and rapid exhaustion of those we have already.

they are just greedy!!! don't fall for their narrative!!!

medicine students do lots of clinical postings during which consultants show them the clinical application of these courses.


btw which clinical application of physiology, biochemistry and pharmacology do they want that people in those fields can't show them in laboratories?

these doctors just want more opportunities for themselves!!! greedy lots

ehissi:
Are you minding Doctors, they are much more interested I controlling the sector than actually seeing it make progress.

If you give them chance, they will tell you only a Medical Doctor is fit to be President, because only a doctor understands how to setuo policies that will save lives and the economy........

Shioooor.....

they are just over pampered babies that want everything to themselves!!!

when a lot of them read medicine with the hope of getting out of poverty with it and they can't even get space to do residency their dreams come crashing down. then you see them in small clinics earning 50k

now they are stylishly trying to displace those that specialised in their own field to the highest level (PhD) with that clinical foolish talk.


very soon they will ask doctors to start taking mathematics at secondary school level so future doctors can understand the clinical application of mathematics


awon werey

capitalzero:
it is not just about being a professor or being PhD holder. It is about having clinical knowledge. we are talking about teaching what will be relevant to clinical practice. It has been found that out most clinical students have poor knowledge of basic med sciences that are relevant to clinical practice during rotations. medical students need to be taught what is relevant so as to produce better physicians. It is people like you that complain of 'bad' doctors but absolve themselves of any blame. anatomy,physiology,biochemistry ,pharmacology and pathology are foundations of medical practice. lecturers in those areas must have clinical experience to teach what is relevant. for example, medical students do not need to be loaded with information in comparative or evolutionary anatomy, students of vet medicine may benefit from that.
but I still believe that PhD holders without medical degree will still be teaching courses like genetics, molecular biology and technical aspects of embryology. my advice is that if you desire to teach medical students,do your PhD in those areas I mention.
Thank you.

good

the graduates of those courses should be entitled to get a PhD and teach their own courses.


doctors in Nigeria should stop acting like cry babies and making excuses for their failure. clinical application of those courses are well covered for in the later part of the MBBS programme (yr4-6).

if doctors want this implemented then doctors should create special departments or units for these courses to take MBBS students alone and let biochemists, pharmacologists, anatomists take the bsc programs of their courses.

case settled

Acidosis:
To achieve this, you need to scrap B.Sc. Anatomy, B.Sc. Medical Biochemistry, B.Sc. Physiology, B.Sc. Pharmacology and other Basic Medical Sciences aside Nursing at the undergraduate levels.

They have become useless courses with no clear direction as to what graduates in those fields are trained to do in the current day Nigeria.

Whoever is considering the above courses with the hope of pursuing a career in the medical field should better have a rethink. An OND in Computer Science is way better.

More than 85% of graduates in those fields are now Marketers and Sales Rep with half baked Indian pharmaceutical companies. The entire Basic Medical Courses should be phased out and reinvented to: Pharmaceutics and Medical Sales. Nigeria don't have a job for you in the medical field, the few ones you have, you won't progress even if you're willing to lick the a$$es of egocentric people. Even your Ph.D won't help you. To a typical Nigerian Doctor, an MBBS is greater than a Ph.D.
Ph.D holders without MBBS in basic medical colleges in Nigeria are some of the most frustrated people in the country. These are basic facts o

you are ignorance personified if you can conclude all those courses are useless

if those courses should be scrapped based on your foolish assertions then what are we still doing with courses like

marine science, biology, physics, fishery, mass com, sociology, psychology, etc since most of them are now bank marketers.


before you call me a frustrated graduate of pharmacology let me tell you a little about myself.

with my BSc pharmacology before I even did my masters in public health I've worked with a NGO under global fund malaria programme before it was scrapped.

I've also been in the pharmaceutical industry for 3yrs. you don't say what you don't know. Indian companies account for less than 10% of the Pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria. a good 60-70% of Pharmaceutical companies are indigenous and some of these indigenous companies are even doing much better than the multinationals in the country.

I've worked with an Indian company before with a new vehicle and fuel allowance of 60k/month aside salary and profit on trade. I'm currently with an indigenous company and our anti malaria is the number one in the country today (that's a big clue to the name of the company)!!! some multinationals are not even doing what we do yearly. we do over 20b in sales yearly in medications, cosmetics and toiletries. what I get as salary and commission on sales quarterly coupled with the company car and float allowance is more than what some doctors get in a whole year!!!

just because you read medicine doesn't mean other courses that you see as less lucrative should be scrapped. you don't just jump into conclusion foolishly about 85% of some people working for Indian companies when you know next to nothing about the industry.

I have doctor friends that are still struggling to do residency. I have doctor friends that are just managing in one small clinic and earning 50k. does that mean medicine should be scrapped?

capitalzero:
which is school is that? most non-medics are
teaching them things them that are not relevant to clinical practice. we are talking about contents not teaching methods.

so if I do anatomy, biochemistry, physiology up to PhD level or I even become a professor I still won't know enough in my field to teach "medical students"

clowns

amaniro:
My brother. Igbo amaka crew come ooh


My dear brown roof brothers will kill dem selves

he's wearing agbada which is a Yoruba dress

Ibo men tie wrapper the same ojukwu did when he was escaping to ivory coast

HisSexcellency:
For how long has this initiative been on that it's just now getting to the state after akpabio's defection
Naija politics and deceit are inseparable, is this supposed to be an attempt to get the people of akwa ibom to like pmb

the programme just started less than two weeks ago!!! ignoramus!!!

franchasng:
This country is a shame

Just because Godswill Akpabio who they once tagged the most corrupt Nigerian politician just because he was under PDP now decamped to APC qualified Akwa Ibom state to have the so called PMB social fund to help traders.

Why didn't this happen last year

They want to use this useless social programme to deceive Akwa Ibomites that voting Buhari as Akpabio has joined APC will bring more federal presence in their state as promised by Akpabio during his decamping speech.

It is finished!

God is just so merciful sha, seriously God is over merciful

the programme is just starting all over the country!!! stop making a mockery of your education

PresidentAtiku:
Lol... And they complained that Ekiti people got 3k alerts from Fayose...

Same campaign format...Reduce the cost of fuel, food prices and we will not need this bait as loan

ekiti workers point of correction. ekiti workers being owed 8 moths salary got 3k allergy which is not up to 1/20 of what they are being owed.

how much is the FG owing the traders?

your brain is there for a reason. use it

hardeycute:
Humble?? This is obviously the handiwork of that APC mod but his son is able to buy a 56+ million bike?

actually the bike is 56 billion Omo ale oniro

abokibuhari:
Useless president


Them for leave am alone make the ram nod am make e kpeme

politics aside

the kind of hateful and evil comments some of you make in the name of criticising the president shows the kind of faulty upbringing you had.

and someone somewhere is proud to call you son

omanzo02:
Just the way his boys are slaughtering in Benue!
He is only good in slaughtering! He slaughtered the economy, security, integrity, naira etc!

The man is very primitive, a president who hold a knive against an animal throat speaks a lot about him and his followers, what a good example smh.

you forgot to add something


he slaughtered your sense of reasoning too

linusbnn:
Sorry for we are not known for drinking Ogogoro. Maybe beer or Nkwu ocha.

oh so you were busy drinking beer with the other men while your wives were protesting? thanks for the correction