capitalzero:
Lecturers who are not doctors ‘should no longer’ teach medical students


Bodies of medical and dental practitioners in Nigeria say lecturers who are not medical doctors will no longer be allowed to teach medical students.

At a meeting convened by the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN) and Medical and Dental Consultants’ Association of Nigeria (MDCAN) in Abuja, the stakeholders said only medical doctors with degrees in basic medical sciences should lecture students.

The medical practitioners also lamented the pass rate of foreign trained medical students, who sit for medical examination in the country.

They said the high failure rate in post-graduate medical education is a reflection of poor training and assessment methods which needs improvement.

“Medical doctors with degrees in basic medical sciences should lecture basic medical sciences in medical schools. Lecturers in basic medical sciences who are not medical doctors should be phased out over time,” the report read.

“There are 42 universities where undergraduate medical education is taking place in Nigeria. Thirty two of the medical schools are fully accredited while 10 are partially accredited as at 2018. There are nine dental schools and three specialised universities of medical sciences.

“About 3,700 medical students gain admission yearly. The pass rate of foreign trained medical students who sat for the MDCN exam has been reducing over time with the lowest being 15% in February 2018.

“Undergraduate medical education in Nigeria is challenged by outdated curriculum, lecturers who are not medical doctors especially at the basic medical sciences level, insufficient or lack of teaching aids, sub-standard library, decay of infrastructure and laboratories, lecturers who are not themselves educators, and inadequately equipped clinics.

“MDCN should ensure that graduating medical students have places to do horsemanship. It was suggested that private hospitals, general hospitals and some district hospitals can be affiliated with teaching hospitals and federal medical centres for the purpose of increasing the spaces available for house job.”

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I don't see how this will work honestly. When you get to clinical stage of medicine, you tend to forget the basic sciences excerpt where they relate to the patient at hand, and in most cases you may want to look up the references from the books.
Those aspects that are remote to daily practice are easily forgotten, for example which clinician remembers the anatomy of hemi-azygous vein? That's where the exparfs come in. I am a practicing doctor but we need solid foundation for the upcoming ones please!

miceroms:
This is a wrong move. They will only understand things from a single perspective only. The world is embracing potpourri of knowledge and we shouldn’t be left behind to avoid victims of a single narrative.

Are you minding Doctors, they are much more interested I controlling the sector than actually seeing it make progress.

If you give them chance, they will tell you only a Medical Doctor is fit to be President, because only a doctor understands how to setuo policies that will save lives and the economy........

Shioooor.....

capitalzero:

it is not just about being a professor or being PhD holder. It is about having clinical knowledge. we are talking about teaching what will be relevant to clinical practice. It has been found that out most clinical students have poor knowledge of basic med sciences that are relevant to clinical practice during rotations. medical students need to be taught what is relevant so as to produce better physicians. It is people like you that complain of 'bad' doctors but absolve themselves of any blame. anatomy,physiology,biochemistry ,pharmacology and pathology are foundations of medical practice. lecturers in those areas must have clinical experience to teach what is relevant. for example, medical students do not need to be loaded with information in comparative or evolutionary anatomy, students of vet medicine may benefit from that.
but I still believe that PhD holders without medical degree will still be teaching courses like genetics, molecular biology and technical aspects of embryology. my advice is that if you desire to teach medical students,do your PhD in those areas I mention.
Thank you.

good

the graduates of those courses should be entitled to get a PhD and teach their own courses.


doctors in Nigeria should stop acting like cry babies and making excuses for their failure. clinical application of those courses are well covered for in the later part of the MBBS programme (yr4-6).

if doctors want this implemented then doctors should create special departments or units for these courses to take MBBS students alone and let biochemists, pharmacologists, anatomists take the bsc programs of their courses.

case settled

So Na Now Una Know

maduxs:
I know that clinical makes a good impression but what I’m saying is doctors should be allowed to teach clinical anatomy while anatomist should teach the rest because believe me they have depth knowledge of anatomy more than there medical counterparts. It’s like bringing war between families

I have interacted with anatomy/physiology/biochemistry students and graduates I conclude that most do not know prospects in their disciplines. those courses are not limited to medicine alone. They are broad disciplines with application in vet medicine, animal health, fishery, botany , pharmaceutical, research in medicine etc and other allies health courses. They need to change their orientation.

maduxs:
I know that clinical makes a good impression but what I’m saying is doctors should be allowed to teach clinical anatomy while anatomist should teach the rest because believe me they have depth knowledge of anatomy more than there medical counterparts. It’s like bringing war between families

True that.

Only in Nigeria!

This guys are one of the groups responsible for the high rate of employment among basic medical sciences course graduates.

In nigeria the heart of men are wicked, they just like to kill and destroy, they cannot think of building. Very very extremely selfish and insensitive.

Medical laboratory scientists, pharmacists and medical doctors (especially) oya kukuma go and ask National University commission (NUC) to scrap/stop all basic medical sciences courses since that's what is in your hearts,

Wicked lots.

Kai some people here are already calling them useless. Naija!

and the equally insensitive leaders do not care either.

capitalzero:

which is school is that? most non-medics are
teaching them things them that are not relevant to clinical practice. we are talking about contents not teaching methods.

In one's year two in medical school, anatomy professors and lecturers teach anatomy and clinical significance; physiology lecturers and professors and lecturers teach physiology and the same with biochemistry. I don't think this is inappropriate.

ehissi:


Are you minding Doctors, they are much more interested I controlling the sector than actually seeing it make progress.

If you give them chance, they will tell you only a Medical Doctor is fit to be President, because only a doctor understands how to setuo policies that will save lives and the economy........

Shioooor.....

they are just over pampered babies that want everything to themselves!!!

when a lot of them read medicine with the hope of getting out of poverty with it and they can't even get space to do residency their dreams come crashing down. then you see them in small clinics earning 50k

now they are stylishly trying to displace those that specialised in their own field to the highest level (PhD) with that clinical foolish talk.


very soon they will ask doctors to start taking mathematics at secondary school level so future doctors can understand the clinical application of mathematics


awon werey

ehissi:


Are you minding Doctors, they are much more interested I controlling the sector than actually seeing it make progress.

If you give them chance, they will tell you only a Medical Doctor is fit to be President, because only a doctor understands how to setuo policies that will save lives and the economy........

Shioooor.....

MB; BS is not easy Bro, No course is easy tho.


But stop hating Doctors, They've sacrifices their youth for You.

Jaideyone:
good

the graduates of those courses should be entitled to get a PhD and teach their own courses.


doctors in Nigeria should stop acting like cry babies and making excuses for their failure. clinical application of those courses are well covered for in the later part of the MBBS programme (yr4-6).

if doctors want this implemented then doctors should create special departments or units for these courses to take MBBS students alone and let biochemists, pharmacologists, anatomists take the bsc programs of their courses.

case settled

PhD in anatomy etc will be relevant. for example, in anatomy department, courses will be assigned to lecturers based on professional background while those with medical degree teach medical students others teach students in basic medical sciences like physiology, biochemistry, mls,nursing,radiography etc based on their areas of expertise. Even with that those with PhDs in molecular biology, genetics,nanotechnology will be teaching all students including medical students because those areas very technical.

capitalzero:


I have interacted with anatomy/physiology/biochemistry students and graduates I conclude that most do not know prospects in their disciplines. those courses are not limited to medicine alone. They are broad disciplines with application in vet medicine, animal health, fishery, botany , pharmaceutical, research in medicine etc and other allies health courses. They need to change their orientation.

they study it as human anatomy, human physiology and human biochemistry

The day we nigerians stop equating health profession to money, I will do Thanksgiving

Abatemtem:
It has its pros and cons depending on the angle you take it from.

It'll stop victimization of these students by lecturers taking the affected courses.
Teaching would be practical based.

Though a nursing student, I can remember when Dr Abdul Malik took me anatomy in year two. Her teachings were clinically based and I could relate when I got to the wards for postings.

But this development would really being about shortage of man power and rapid exhaustion of those we have already.

they are just greedy!!! don't fall for their narrative!!!

medicine students do lots of clinical postings during which consultants show them the clinical application of these courses.


btw which clinical application of physiology, biochemistry and pharmacology do they want that people in those fields can't show them in laboratories?

these doctors just want more opportunities for themselves!!! greedy lots

anatomy and physiology lecturers have suffered

This is job opportunity for many jobless MBBS holders

capitalzero:


PhD in anatomy etc will be relevant. for example, in anatomy department, courses will be assigned to lecturers based on professional background while those with medical degree teach medical students others teach students in basic medical sciences like physiology, biochemistry, mls,nursing,radiography etc based on their areas of expertise. Even with that those with PhDs in molecular biology, genetics,nanotechnology will be teaching all students including medical students because those areas very technical.

good then tell the government to create special units for these courses for medical students.

divinelove:


they study it as human anatomy, human physiology and human biochemistry

most schools do not used that nomenclature. In physiology, It is either medical biochemistry or applied bio or bio etc. If it is human anatomy, why is that they used rats for most of their studies?

You see what i have been saying Nigerian medical doctors have totally lost it! So, by this, a great majority of them will now proceed to get an MSc and PhD in the basic medical sciences so they could start teaching anatomy, physiology and biochemistry to medical students while leaving behind other lofty medical specialties. For your information, minimum requirement for lecturing is a PhD so don't even think that NUC will allow you replace PhD with MBBS because no where in the world is an MBBS equal to a PhD. So, you guys should get ready to spend years of academic research to earn a PhD.

And for the guy alluding that medical doctors know pharmacology more than pharmacists, let me inform you that every action of a drug resides in its chemical structure and studying the chemical structures of drugs is within the domains of pharmaceutical chemistry which pharmacists study for 4-5 years. Modifying the structures of these drugs through various means ( including factors within and outside the human system) changes the actions of the drugs. So, tell me how a med doctor who has no knowledge of drug chemistry would know the effects of the drug better than a pharmacist.
That you are allowed to prescribe drugs is an anomaly which has resulted to so many deaths. That is why the pharmacist must be there in the hospitals not only to ethically dispense the drugs but to also screen your prescriptions to pinpoint prescription errors.

My friends, you can never know it all! Do your parts and let others do theirs.

capitalzero:


I have interacted with anatomy/physiology/biochemistry students and graduates I conclude that most do not know prospects in their disciplines. those courses are not limited to medicine alone. They are broad disciplines with application in vet medicine, animal health, fishery, botany , pharmaceutical, research in medicine etc and other allies health courses. They need to change their orientation.

you know in Nigeria every body is going where the traffic is much. They are aware of the prospects but they are just following traffic.

World famous Louis Pasteur, Salk, Sabin, Hilleman, all made their mark on earth as practicing basic medical scientist.

Courses you all are lambasting and trying all means to murder.

Jaideyone:
good then tell the government to create special units for these courses for medical students.

you still do not understand. for which courses?

capitalzero:


I have interacted with anatomy/physiology/biochemistry students and graduates I conclude that most do not know prospects in their disciplines. those courses are not limited to medicine alone. They are broad disciplines with application in vet medicine, animal health, fishery, botany , pharmaceutical, research in medicine etc and other allies health courses. They need to change their orientation.

ignorance

so because you interacted with a few out of the hundreds of thousands of graduates of such courses in a country where opportunities are highly limited for those courses to flourish you concluded they don't know the prospects?


most of the ground-breaking inventions in medicine are not even by medical doctors. they've been mostly by pharmacists, biochemist and microbiologists. these are the people that spend billions of dollars in drug research while the doctors just sit back waiting for the results of such research to make their life easier.

Jaideyone:
you are ignorance personified if you can conclude all those courses are useless

if those courses should be scrapped based on your foolish assertions then what are we still doing with courses like

marine science, biology, physics, fishery, mass com, sociology, psychology, etc since most of them are now bank marketers.


before you call me a frustrated graduate of pharmacology let me tell you a little about myself.

with my BSc pharmacology before I even did my masters in public health I've worked with a NGO under global fund malaria programme before it was scrapped.

I've also been in the pharmaceutical industry for 3yrs. you don't say what you don't know. Indian companies account for less than 10% of the Pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria. a good 60-70% of Pharmaceutical companies are indigenous and some of these indigenous companies are even doing much better than the multinationals in the country.

I've worked with an Indian company before with a new vehicle and fuel allowance of 60k/month aside salary and profit on trade. I'm currently with an indigenous company and our anti malaria is the number one in the country today (that's a big clue to the name of the company)!!! some multinationals are not even doing what we do yearly. we do over 20b in sales yearly in medications, cosmetics and toiletries. what I get as salary and commission on sales quarterly coupled with the company car and float allowance is more than what some doctors get in a whole year!!!

just because you read medicine doesn't mean other courses that you see as less lucrative should be scrapped. you don't just jump into conclusion foolishly about 85% of some people working for Indian companies when you know next to nothing about the industry.

I have doctor friends that are still struggling to do residency. I have doctor friends that are just managing in one small clinic and earning 50k. does that mean medicine should be scrapped?

Lol, I didn't study medicine in school so I'm not speaking based on sentiments. As far as I'm concerned, there is no correlation between your undergraduate study and what you do. Just so you know, I took pharmacology courses for 3 years and in fact, many of my lecturers had MBBS, so I am talking based on my experience on the politics and stereotypical culture of a typical basic medical college in Nigeria.

By the way, my comment is largely directed at those seeking to pursue a career in the medical field, which is largely the aim of majority who find themselves in the basic medical college.

What's the point of studying Anatomy and Pharmacology when at the end of the day, the only job available to you is medical sales rep? Need I remind you the meaning and definition of pharmacology? So those lab rats you acquired for your projects are meant to market and supply drugs?

By the way, I have no business with people's salaries, but I do have issues with repeating outdated courses and courses with no clear cut career opportunities in the current day Nigeria. This is why I suggested new generational courses such as Medical Sales, etc.

Are you not worried that universities continue to admit B.Sc. Physiology, etc students only to face the stereotypical and oppressive culture of a typical health institution? Do you know the number of M.Sc. Anatomy, M.Sc. Physiology wasting away in Nigeria today? You know why? Doctors won't allow them lecture so why are they wasting their time?

That being said, I'm not saying there are no exemptions, a lot of people like you did switched to Public Health. That again is an issue though as some organizations now give special preference to MBBS/Public Health. Even admission into Public Health these days favour MBBS.

These are basic facts bro, we must face basic facts to effect a lasting change.

capitalzero:


PhD in anatomy etc will be relevant. for example, in anatomy department, courses will be assigned to lecturers based on professional background while those with medical degree teach medical students others teach students in basic medical sciences like physiology, biochemistry, mls,nursing,radiography etc based on their areas of expertise. Even with that those with PhDs in molecular biology, genetics,nanotechnology will be teaching all students including medical students because those areas very technical.

good then tell the government to create special units for these courses for medical students.

Jman06:
You see what i have been saying Nigerian medical doctors have totally lost it! So, by this, a great majority of them will now proceed to get an MSc and PhD in the basic medical sciences so they could start teaching anatomy, physiology and biochemistry to medical students while leaving behind other lofty medical specialties. For your information, minimum requirement for lecturing is a PhD so don't even think that NUC will allow you replace PhD with MBBS because no where in the world is an MBBS equal to a PhD. So, you guys should get ready to spend years of academic research to earn a PhD.

And for the guy alluding that medical doctors know pharmacology more than pharmacists, let me inform you that every action of a drug resides in its chemical structure and studying the chemical structures of drugs is within the domains of pharmaceutical chemistry which pharmacists study for 4-5 years. Modifying the structures of these drugs through various means ( including factors within and outside the human system) changes the actions of the drugs. So, tell me how a med doctor who has no knowledge of drug chemistry would know the effects of the drug better than a pharmacist.
That you are allowed to prescribe drugs is an anomaly which has resulted to so many deaths. That is why the pharmacist must be there in the hospitals not only to ethically dispense the drugs but to also screen your prescriptions to pinpoint prescription errors.

My friends, you can never know it all! Do your parts and let others do theirs.

you are on point. I bet you,you are genius. This is just back to back

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Only in Nigeria!

This guys are one of the groups responsible for the high rate of employment among basic medical sciences course graduates.

In nigeria the heart of men are wicked, they just like to kill and destroy, they cannot think of building. Very very extremely selfish and insensitive.

Medical laboratory scientists, pharmacists and medical doctors (especially) oya kukuma go and ask National University commission (NUC) to scrap/stop all basic medical sciences courses since that's what is in your hearts,

Wicked lots.

Kai some people here are already calling them useless. Naija!

and the equally insensitive leaders do not care either.

they are greedy!!! that's it!!! in developed countries people who are not MBBS graduates teach medical students and no one is complaining.

we want to copy their system of education but our doctors want to put their own greed

Ohhh I am enjoying this medical doctors conversation, unlike those useless politicians and their thugs and touts that will turn a simple conversation to abuses and curses. God bless our medical doctors.

asuustrike1:

Which university?

University of Ilorin

MartinCorridon:

I know it's Unilorin

MartinCorridon:

I know it's Unilorin

bornolowu:
if you are referring to prof Anyanwu in AAU, he is a medical doctor o.he finished fom a university in cyprus. He is also a gynaecologist.

I am schooling in UNN bro.
In my 5th year(Penultimate class)

Study Drilling fluids Engineering with Globat mud school.