Jaideyone:
lol so you think I don't know how to read a prescription after I mention 2g stay up there? you are a clown


the prescription is not the later writing but the act of authorising the use of the drug!!! English is a big problem for you

http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/en/d/Jwhozip23e/5.4.html

info for you on drug prescription

capitalzero:

publish it to become one of useless professors in the country.

oh and the thousands of medical doctors are useful? we see your clinics by the side of the road everywhere where you employ one small girl to dispense drugs and abort pregnancies

capitalzero:


http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/en/d/Jwhozip23e/5.4.html

info for you on drug prescription

and I repeat the prescription is the act and not just the writing on paper!!!

olodo

How can someone who is not a qualified doctor teach others to become one.This epitomizes the kind of education they practice in nigeria-copy,paste,lazy and unproductive.Medicines is mainly practical and if you can practice it,you can't teach it. Just like engineering and every other discipline in life.

miceroms:
This is a wrong move. They will only understand things from a single perspective only. The world is embracing potpourri of knowledge and we shouldn’t be left behind to avoid victims of a single narrative.

Which single perspective are you talking about?..the ONLY relevant perspective is the Medical perspective and some of these lecturers can bring in irrelevant topics in the training of students..imagine being taught plant biochemistry and physiology as a medical student..

ola12:
Who cares??, their loss. Let me see doctors lecture them on pharmacology as well as a Pharmacist can

Am sure a Medical Doctor with Masters Degree in Pharmacology will do just fine..

redsun:
How can someone who is not a qualified doctor teach others to become one.This epitomizes the kind of education they practice in nigeria-copy,paste,lazy and unproductive.Medicines is mainly practical and if you can practice it,you can't teach it. Just like engineering and every other discipline in life.

In Medicine U Are Being Taught D Practical Theorical And Oral Aspect Most Of Thought Facts Where Discovered By Biochemist, Anatomist And So On. So Wat Ar U Saying

danilmo:


nawa o, Guy chill..
I guess ure ignorant
,only Dr teaches medic in clinical class

Doctors who specialized in pharmacology do

And how many of those can u find in this country?

redsun:
How can someone who is not a qualified doctor teach others to become one.This epitomizes the kind of education they practice in nigeria-copy,paste,lazy and unproductive.Medicines is mainly practical and if you can practice it,you can't teach it. Just like engineering and every other discipline in life.

U my friend are ignorant,

Are you now saying a specialist biochemist is not qualified to teach young medical students in 100 -500 level biochemistry?

Jaideyone:
and I repeat the prescription is the act and not just the writing on paper!!!

olodo

slowpoke. act by whom?

DrholuwaTOBI:




MB; BS is not easy Bro, No course is easy tho.


But stop hating Doctors, They've sacrifices their youth for You.

You guys can delude yourselves. So engineering is easy abi? When many of you run to medicine out of fear of mathematics and technical drawing. Nigerian doctors are bunch of egocentric clowns. They always think the world start and end with been doctors. I read engineering out of choice, I have a very good qualification to be a doctor and I would have successfully been one had I wanted. Nothing makes medicine and surgery more special than any course, not even Yoruba language. The earlier you get that into your skull, the better for you.

capitalzero:

slowpoke. act by whom?

the doctor, the dentist, the pharmacist, the physiotherapist!!!

doctors are not the only ones that can prescribe. illiterate

IFEOLUWAKRIZ:
Nonsense.
My room mate once told me that lecturers that are not doctors by profession even teach them more better than their Dr counterparts.


let them go provide panacea to the root causes of their palavers and stop these flimsy excuses.


mtcheww

That school is not qualified to have a medical college I can assure you. See your use of "more better " sef don confirm say the school no get levels

tete7000:


You guys can delude yourselves. So engineering is easy abi? When many of you run to medicine out of fear of mathematics and technical drawing. Nigerian doctors are bunch of egocentric clowns. They always think the world start and end with been doctors. I read engineering out of choice, I have a very good qualification to be a doctor and I would have successfully been one had I wanted. Nothing makes medicine and surgery more special than any course, not even Yoruba language. The earlier you get that into your skull, the better for you.

Thrash. Absolute thrash. Go and check O'level maths results of intending medical and engineering students. Also check the physics and chemistry jamb scores of medicine and engineering candidates since those are the common subjects they sit together for in jamb. Am sure this your beef is borne out of not being able to secure admission to read medicine

MartinCorridon:


Yeah they just jump into decisions without thinking it through.

Then Mr Enaibe (Anatomy ) and Mr. Adebayo (Biochemistry) taught us well in 2000-01. I learnt they are PhDs now...

Time flies

University of ilorin�

Jaideyone:
you are ignorance personified if you can conclude all those courses are useless

if those courses should be scrapped based on your foolish assertions then what are we still doing with courses like

marine science, biology, physics, fishery, mass com, sociology, psychology, etc since most of them are now bank marketers.


before you call me a frustrated graduate of pharmacology let me tell you a little about myself.

with my BSc pharmacology before I even did my masters in public health I've worked with a NGO under global fund malaria programme before it was scrapped.

I've also been in the pharmaceutical industry for 3yrs. you don't say what you don't know. Indian companies account for less than 10% of the Pharmaceutical companies in Nigeria. a good 60-70% of Pharmaceutical companies are indigenous and some of these indigenous companies are even doing much better than the multinationals in the country.

I've worked with an Indian company before with a new vehicle and fuel allowance of 60k/month aside salary and profit on trade. I'm currently with an indigenous company and our anti malaria is the number one in the country today (that's a big clue to the name of the company)!!! some multinationals are not even doing what we do yearly. we do over 20b in sales yearly in medications, cosmetics and toiletries. what I get as salary and commission on sales quarterly coupled with the company car and float allowance is more than what some doctors get in a whole year!!!

just because you read medicine doesn't mean other courses that you see as less lucrative should be scrapped. you don't just jump into conclusion foolishly about 85% of some people working for Indian companies when you know next to nothing about the industry.

I have doctor friends that are still struggling to do residency. I have doctor friends that are just managing in one small clinic and earning 50k. does that mean medicine should be scrapped?

Tell them sir. Nice one

Not sounding hateful, but these medical associations in Nigeria tend to place their values on higher pedestals when they have not done anything extraordinary. Teaching should be by someone who can impact the knowledge, doctor or not

arrestdarrester:


Thrash. Absolute thrash. Go and check O'level maths results of intending medical and engineering students. Also check the physics and chemistry jamb scores of medicine and engineering candidates since those are the common subjects they sit together for in jamb. Am sure this your beef is borne out of not being able to secure admission to read medicine

The way you talk exposes your ignorance. I have beef for medicine, couldn't get admitted then got transferred to study mechanical engineering in university of Ibadan? Yours is an hopeless case. You are definitely not one of those who study medicine out of passion but out of "prestige" you think society attach to the course.
My dear, I insist and keep telling you nothing is special about medicine. It is just another course, those who worth their onions don't make as much noise as you make because they studied medicine, because they know they could have been anything they wish. If I wanted to be a doctor, nothing would have stopped me, but my calling, my vocation is where I am. Anyone who understands the words "calling" and "vocation" won't deride any other profession feeling his is on top of the lot. Those who shows your kind of emptiness typically portray the poor quality of our education system. You need to be schooled thoroughly again. Good education goes beyond been a mere medical doctor.

Jaideyone:
btw are patented drugs not from herbs at the initial stage before their synthetic derivatives were compounded into tablets?

seeing the term herbal as derogatory is another level of your ignorance. let me enlighten you more

Google the term PHARMACOGNOSY and come and tell me what you see

ignoramus

That is to tell you how ignorant they are in drug knowledge.

Can a Pharmacist be oblivious of pharmacognosy? A whole department in pharmacy training?

You are lucky because some persons spend way more for project of that magnitude.

Nothing is more funny to me than when a doctor claims to have knowledge of drugs than a pharmacist that spent years studing pharmaceutics, pharmacology, pharmacognosy, pharmaceutical chemistry, Pharmaceutical microbiology and others.

capitalzero:

it is not just about being a professir ir PhD knowledge. It is about clinical knowledge. we are talking about teaching what will be relevant to clinical practice. It has been found that out most clinical students have poor knowledge of basic med sciences that are relevant to clinical practice during rotations. medical students need to be taught what is relevant so as to produce better physicians. It is people like you that complain of 'bad' doctors but absolve themselves of any blame. anatomy,physiology,biochemistry ,pharmacology and pathology are foundations of medical practice. lecturers in those areas must have clinical experience to teach what is relevant. for example, medical students do not need to be loaded with information in comparative or evolutionary anatomy, students of vet medicine may benefit from that.
but I still believe that PhD holders without medical degree will still be teaching courses like genetics, molecular biology and technical aspects of embryology. my advice is that if you desire to teach medical students,do your PhD in those areas I mention.
Thank you.

you have put it well. Some others made it seem those with PhD's in anatomy were lesser or not knowledgeable enough to teach medical students.

Your post does well to explain that while that might have useful breadth and depth of knowledge, they lack the clinical experience to help relate the basic medical sciences to clinical practices for the medical students.

Mbediogu:


I don't see how this will work honestly. When you get to clinical stage of medicine, you tend to forget the basic sciences excerpt where they relate to the patient at hand, and in most cases you may want to look up the references from the books.
Those aspects that are remote to daily practice are easily forgotten, for example which clinician remembers the anatomy of hemi-azygous vein? That's where the exparfs come in. I am a practicing doctor but we need solid foundation for the upcoming ones please!

It is a misplaced priority, what should be done is a review of the medical curriculum and not this kind of ill-informed move. All over the world, the training involves multi-disciplines; in the U.S you first get a BSc before proceeding to do MD! Is it MD holders that teach BSc Biology? How is the implementation of that move going to be possible with regards to manpower, lab facilities, etc.?

monex:


you have put it well. Some others made it seem those with PhD's in anatomy were lesser or not knowledgeable enough to teach medical students.

Your post does well to explain that while that might have useful breadth and depth of knowledge, they lack the clinical experience to help relate the basic medical sciences to clinical practices for the medical students.

The reason for this lack of clinical experience is the draconian policy designed by doctors that completely bars allied health professionals such as anatomists from medical setting.

It's a vicious cycle.

Tflex01:


That is to tell you how ignorant they are in drug knowledge.

Can a Pharmacist be oblivious of pharmacognosy? A whole department in pharmacy training?

You are lucky because some persons spend way more for project of that magnitude.

Nothing is more funny to me than when a doctor claims to have knowledge of drugs than a pharmacist that spent years studing pharmaceutics, pharmacology, pharmacognosy, pharmaceutical chemistry, Pharmaceutical microbiology and others.

No medical doctor will say that to a competent pharmacist.

Except he's a clown.

nwaobitex:

UNILORIN

*What about student who don't have passion for medicine but are studying it because the bliv its a secured way to get jobs?
*What about student who didn't get the cut off but bcus the had connections the were given admission into the various med schools?
*As a medical student you have to understand what kind of learner you are and know you have to put the right things first, but go and see some of the so called medical student they don't even care and are not morally upright,some will be bribing lecturers and profs to pass them.
*The computer revolution has also brought about distraction to our students over the years, those who didn't even had access to I. C. T for research in those days are better than some of us who have access to I. C. T TODAY!
+++I remember in 2007 when I was admitted to our teaching hospital in...... For this naija oh na consultant himself come the tell my Papa say I get kidney problem when na my ear be the issue and say him one recommend dialysis mhen I still thank God today even though my dad wasn't that to educated he wasn't ignorant and said he won't let them touch me.....so you see even the doctors wey them say them want make them teach no be all of them sabi...........

VeeVeeMyLuv:

The reason for this lack of clinical experience is the draconian policy designed by doctors that completely bars allied health professionals such as anatomists from medical setting.

It's a vicious cycle.

truth is science is more research than practice

VeeVeeMyLuv:

U my friend are ignorant,

Are you now saying a specialist biochemist is not qualified to teach young medical students in 100 -500 level biochemistry?

Ignorant my asss,you could be socalled educated but your initiative as an 'educated' nigerian may not be as bright as that of a common ant.That is why hospitals in nigeria are murder houses and medical ethics is like that of the neadathals. I am not going to let an average nigerian doctor treat if i happen to fall sick in that zoo,I might just as well go on the internet,diagnose my problem and treat myself.

You wonder why your sick president and the rest of the thieves that runs the zoo to had to go england or germany to treat common headache.

Ikio:
In Medicine U Are Being Taught D Practical Theorical And Oral Aspect Most Of Thought Facts Where Discovered By Biochemist, Anatomist And So On. So Wat Ar U Saying

What I am saying is that too much of that brainwashing,writing,coping and cramming without constant practicality makes you a lazy intellectual.Education at the moment in africa is useless and that explains the darkness and miseries.

ola12:
Who cares??, their loss. Let me see doctors lecture them on pharmacology as well as a Pharmacist can

You are so ignorant, hope you know something called clinical pharmacology?? Hope you are aware there are medical doctors who are consultant clinical pharmacology??

Kc3000:


Not necessarily, a physician's approach to pharmacology might be different from the pharmacist's. Most of the pharm you'll learn in a US medical school is taught by physicians...I guess it's different in Nigeria. Physicians can sufficiently teach pharm, but I think the PhDs are still needed to teach the early courses like cell biology, genetics, microbiology, immunology, anatomy and physiology etc. Yeah, sometimes they teach you more than you care to know from the standpoint of a clinician, but no knowledge is a waste. I believe physicians could adequately teach everything in a medical school curriculum, but they'll have to surrender a lot of clinical responsibilities to do this. Of course, the medical student learns all about pathology and the management of these pathologies from the resident and attending physicians.

Would you compare a PhD teaching microbiology to a consultant clinical microbiology teaching it?? Hope you are aware there iS room for medical doctors to do masters jn anatomy or physiology or medical biochemistry and teach it?
There is a difference between having the ability to teach and having the clinical expertise, for me I would even clamour for orthopedic surgeons to take limb anatomy, while a general surgeon take abdomen.
But last last having a medical doctor train medical students can never be overemphasized, it's should be mandatory

Doctors are divine creatures ready made from heaven. Their knowledge is complete, they never make mistakes, they are infallible. A different species from homo sapiens.

No! medical students should be taught by doctors right from secondary school. With the abundance of idle doctors this is the only way. Only perfection begets perfection.