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SirNewtonNG:
Omo wetin be this. Any sources sir or its just your wish and fantasy? I can also wake up and try and give some explanations of what could have happened because i don't like a fact all from my head. Doesn't make it true you know.

You and your brother's should decide which one, because your followers here are vehement on their position.

Oba is indigenous as far back as when oranmiyan came to benin from yoruba land. It's very well known that the benin kingdom was bilingual and the official language of the palace was yoruba as a result of ife dynasty ruling in benin so its no suprise that many Yoruba words that can't be broken down in local bini language are in bini as so called indigenous words. Oba as a word for King has meaning and can be broken down in yoruba language, in edo its a different pronunciation and refers to something esle entirely. Cheech the edo or bini dictionary for reference. Stop looking for silly excuses that can easily be debunked greggyboy.

Bini people and kingdom is great but any lies in a bid to project some false superiority will be aggressively debunked with facts and evidence like my good sister TAO11 always does especially when all historians know the truth that the bini kingdom was founded by ife

Ife that was founded in same century wich Benin have their second dynasty now found a kingdom that was first governed before by 36 Ogiso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ0Xcw9fMwo

TAO11:
I get what you tried to say, but the analogies are quite different.

Ife & Benin:
The 1st crowned Benin ọba is paternally descended from Ife, and maternally from Benin.

Benin & Lagos:
The 1st crowned Eko ọba is paternally descended from Lagos (Isheri-Olofin), and maternally from Benin.

Cheers.

And Oduduwa is from Edo your first ruler. I watch a Yoruba movie how Oduduwa was teaching them how to sew cloths because clothes was alien to them then they normally go naked that time until the well govern Benin came to colonized you all.

During your first ruler Oduduwa Edo/Ado or Idu have already be well governed by 30 Ogiso.

Ask your self did Oromyian came forcefully to rule benin no Benin chiefs pleaded with him to come.

How can he rule the mighty Edo a kingdom that have be in existence 1000s of year long before Yoruba have the first ruler.

Oromyan couldn’t rule Benin as it too powerful for him to rule with the fear to be victims of same thing that make his father Oduduwa was unable to rule the mighty kingdom.

Oduduwa is son of the last Ogiso (the ruler of the sky). I guess this was the reason he told you people he came from the sky and you people literally think he mean he fell from the sky lol

That is the Benin ife connection.

After many years the Benin being the first established kingdom they aim was to explore just as European did by coming to Africa to
Colonized them, Benin already started that long ago.

Benin went west they colonized akure install their ruler and make them pay tribute to Benin kingdom they went forward to all Ondo all Ekiti and after the finish establishing this place they went further to Lagos and install their first ruler.


And this one here is saying trash.



You keep lying to yourself #Tao11

This an eyewitness European
1584 map of Africa
Ortelius, Abraham,1527-1598.


In this map you can see how all south south was know as Benin the green dote is where lagose is today all of them was known as Benin.

Lagose to middle bet to Itshekiri to ado Ekiti all was known as Benin by European. And this one bor yesterday want to come change history here.

Defend this map here or let me say twist the map anyway I still have more map for you

SirNewtonNG:
He is not to be honest my brother. The oba of benin, many of their aristocrats and traders at the time were descended from people who came from ife. They not only preserved their spirituality as in the case of olokun, ogun, sango etc they preserved their language as well and it was made the language of the palace, of administration and trade.

So the oba of benin was seen as an ife decent yoruba king like the alaafin of oyo, even up until 1937 when he wss at the yoruba council of chiefs meeting. He could easily hve gotten help from the alaafin of oyo or even the awujale. It's a bit similar but different in intricacies with afonja

So you seen even your fellow Yoruba denied you #Toa11 Ashipa Awori Origin. Hope you know you were alon in that.

I guess no one believe you just that there is a way you defend Yoruba that pleases them. Alright keep deceiving yourself.

This one here if I could understand is trying to say Ashipa is from Edo Royals but both Ashipa and Edo Royals all came from Ife?

TAO11:
The same army of the Olofin who humiliated the Binis are the same ones who drowned your Ọba at Lagos.

No, it wasn’t A mErE aCciDeNt as you’ve been made to believe since childhood.

Kisses

Was the Olofin the first ruler of Lagos? Saved your lie for someone else

Benin bring your first ruler
Your first second in command (prim minister) and the rest follow this how it is.

First ruler
First prime minister
First General of army
First captain that lead war

So no your level ok Benin colonized Lagos they Seth the the first foundation the rest story you are saying are moonlight story.

So you mean Adam and Eve kill Oba of Benin

TAO11:
Killing a Benin king that wanted war?? YES

Appreciation another Benin king (some100 years later) who helped Ashipa?? YES.

What do you not understand ?
Oh I know. The meaning of tribute is what you do not understand.

Cheers

Who kill this king? Don’t tell me is uncolonized ungorvern uneducate uncivilized people with no ruler… please save the lie for your child.

A place that have no king have no general have no army how were they now able to kill Oba?

christistruth01:
Kindly Go and sit down

We are busy Confirming if it was the Awori or Ijebus that attacked and Killed Oba Ehengbuda of Benin at Lekki

Killing Oba Benin then paying tribute to Oba of Benin lol

After you killed him then you started paying tribute to him?

christistruth01:
Tao11 I know but I want him to restrict the argument to the exact Geographical location of Isale Eko Where the Oba of Lagos was a Slave Trade Babaloja and was only sending Oba of Benin his Share of royalties from the Slave Market

That way it would be easier to understand that what he is calling Tribute was not paid by the Awori but was slave market returns to t

So that wil restrict the Geographical Space being argued over since Yesterday


It is like Oba Sabo sending money from Cattle Sales to the Emir of Kano and then Claiming that Ibadan paid Tribute to kano

I guess you are still proving some point here but Tao11 is still finding all necessary mean to twist it, Tao11 you seems to be professional in twisting history did you study it?

GNBohr:
Since when did Tapa people come from Bini Kingdom. To know a fool is very easy because they always reveal themselves.

Oshodi is a Benin word

Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin.

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All this first ruler came from already well governed kingdom of Benin. And I can prove every single one of them to you!

You keep lying to yourself.

That tribute was paid because Benin was the overload there it ended as Benin empire ended by the British.

Benin created Lagos establish it just as they did to the rest places.
Benin colonized you people Igbos Igala ughobo isoko Itshekiri.

Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin first before it can be accepted as a ruler

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All of them came from Edo first before they were able to instal them as ruler

How come all this how come all of them was able to be known or be respected as a king after arilval from Edo?


Benin city seems to be like God then or head pop the to this people then that it need to ordain them first before they can become a king.

Lagos still have king now but they don’t pay tribute to Benin anymore you keep lying �

As the monarch continue to be lol are they still not monarch in Lagos?

TAO11:
English is the problem here now, right? Right!

(1) Grab a dictionary now and check all the meanings of the English word “tribute”.

You may find someone who knows English to read it to your hearing out loud.

(2) The old account also makes it claw at what kind of tribute was being paid.

The old account states clearly that it was a tribute of “gratitude”.

For having supported him to achieve his aspiration of an independent monarchy.

And the appreciation was meant to continue as long as the monarchy itself continued to be.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

And how come same century they ended Benin empire that was the same century lagos stop the tribute?

sherlock229:
Empire strength is determined by how much land they acquires and subjected,Oyo easily wins this..not even close ,not even close

Ekiti Lagos Ondo Benin empire.

How many state do Yoruba have again?

How really great was this your Oyo empire?

If you buy a land now and build a house or a place, then people came from different place to live in this house and do business there.

Will this people not pay tax to the landlord of the land Building?.

Now what you are saying is the landlord is now the one paying this traders who came to trade in his land/building a tax. Continually is this even possible? Hear yourself



So if the Aworis were there landlord as you claim how come they were paying immigrants Benin tenant tribute? Or it should have be the other way round.

You think you talking to 5months baby here?

You clearly turning a baby breastfeeding his mother here.

TAO11:
You went the extra mile of typing “the 11 lady” instead mentioning me directly.

In other words, you are so convinced that what you’r about to type are LIES, otherwise you wouldn’t be ma that I will debunk them.

BTW, you sound so familiar—like a Bini illiterate who I’ve come across on Nairaland. Abi you guys are now hiding behind new monikers ni?

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Now to debunking your fresh heap of crap-cum-strawman.

(1)Eko was sovereign & independent with its own king

(2)Lagos never had an Enogie, Ogiame, Ovie, Orodje, etc. which is the standard for places ruled by people who are patrilineally descended from a Benin king.

(3) At no point was it ever mentioned in my comment anywhere on Nairaland that Ashipa was not a king.

It’s beginning to look as if the Oba of Benin may die if a Bini man does not lie in a day. The slaves lies are like his life support plug/machine. Now I get it.
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Though non-authoritative (for being uncrowned), he’s a king; and his son was the first official/crowned king.

(4) Ashipa (a Yorùbá from Isheri) appropriated Eko to himself by winning the hearts of the immigrants (Aja, Ijaw, Benin, Ijebu, et al.) who have for long establishe trade colonies there sided-by-side the Yoruba owners

He was finally able to achieve his aim of founding his desired monarchy for Eko (now independent of Iddo) especially via the support of the most populous of th immigrant groups (the Binis) and their king.

He made two moves to court the support of the Beni government, namely: led the delegation who took the corpse of a certain Benin man to Benin; married from the then Benin king — giving birth later to Ado.

In appreciation to the Benin king as his patron in the course of establishing his desired monarchy, he made remittances (of course as would have been agreed at the outset) to the Benin government — i.e. tributes on the basis of gratitude, aka thank-you-payments.

(5) I don’t know of any account (Lagos truths or Benin lies) where Benin ever claimed to be landlord at Eko.

This one is new. Is this the latest one from the stables of the Yoruba-hating Bini YouTube clown, Imasuen?

Cheers.

If they said Eko pay tribute to Benin is different from personal thank to Oba of Benin that you claimed.

Lagos pay tribute to Benin

Thanks given to Oba of Benin

This 2 sentence looks different one is personal and the other is not.

You are doing all your best to twist everything haha.

Did Lagos pay tribute to Benin yes or no.

According to the 11 lady guy

Eko was never under the Benin control
Lagos never pay tribute to Benin
Ashipa was not a king and later he is a king again lol because the lagos palace song said Oba Ado is a prince.

There is something you need to ask yourself
Why did Lagos was paying tribute to Benin then

A landlord can just begin paying tenant tribute it surly the other way round.

So who was the landlord and who was the tenant?

TAO11:
The King of Lagos said on camera that Benin does not own Lagos.

No, that was not Oba of Lagos. That was your Bini brother, Gabriel Omohinmin.

And the Oba of Lagos have said on camera that Benin was not the owner of Lagos.

Of course it was written by an Edo. Are you denying your brother?

Which the supreme traditional authority of Eko (Oba Akiolu) has refuted on camera.

I know Eko’s history. Oba Akiolu knows is too. And the old document knows it too.

All of us three agree that Benin was not the owner of Eko.

No one else matter.

[uote]About Ashipa you agreed his son Ado was buried in Benin due to her mother connection,The body in his mother’s land —Benin.

The head is his father’s land — Lagos.

you also agreed that Ashipa was also buried in Benin.Bring a screenshot of where I said that, you pathetic fatuous, insanely moronic liar.

BTW, is this equation below correct?

Binis = Mistakenly born liars.

But how come they also buried his body in Benin when his mother is not from Edo?Because they never buried his body there. The voices in your head are speaking to you.

Or the Oba of Benin placed a ban on you from using your brain.

You contradicting yourself already.No, I am contradicting the voices in your head.

General account all says Benin establish Lagos even Lagos king refused to bow to Oni of Ife at one occasion.No general account says that.

Refused to bow kẹ? Lol No King is required to bow to another king in our culture. They may only chose to.

Also, he only refused to return greetings due to their personal issues. Guess what, he saluted him publicly at a meeting of Yoruba monarchs in order to right his own wrong after receiving consequences for his act.

[s]Didn’t you read what Lagos royal highness said?

Wait let me dig it up for you again.

“ There is nothing stringent but there are still some courtesies that are exchanged between the palaces. For instance, at the coronation of a new king in Lagos, the Oba of Benin will, at some point, come over to welcome the new king into the fold of royalty and remind the king that he has a father in him.”

“That means that we still have those social courtesies that are exchanged between the two kingdoms. And if a new king is being crowned in Benin, the Oba of Lagos will have a vantage position as a son of the soil within the context of the ceremony. Apart from that, everybody is independent in his own right but we enjoy a lot of goodwill. Whatever is between us now is ceremonial and more of courtesies.”

So you mean our royal highness a lagosian is lying? Or should not believe her royal highness I should believe Top11?[/s]Gabriel Omohinmin is not the Lagos royal highness. LMAO.

I have listened on video to the actual Royal Highness of Lagos (Eko), and he said Benin was the owner of my Lagos. He agrees with the old records.

The King is the most important traditional personalit.

He already refuted bothOmohinmin and anyone else.

I chose to go with him on this. You want to be part of this Lagos so bad, don’t you?

I’m living the life that you dream about.

Cheers.

Didn’t you read what Lagos royal highness said? Wait let me dig it up for you again.

“ There is nothing stringent but there are still some courtesies that are exchanged between the palaces. For instance, at the coronation of a new king in Lagos, the Oba of Benin will, at some point, come over to welcome the new king into the fold of royalty and remind the king that he has a father in him.”

“That means that we still have those social courtesies that are exchanged between the two kingdoms. And if a new king is being crowned in Benin, the Oba of Lagos will have a vantage position as a son of the soil within the context of the ceremony. Apart from that, everybody is independent in his own right but we enjoy a lot of goodwill. Whatever is between us now is ceremonial and more of courtesies.”

So you mean our royal highness a lagosian is lying? Or should not believe her royal highness I should believe You

TAO11:
Evidence please??

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Moreover,

Oba Akiolu is the King of Lagos, not this lady.

Oba Akiolu has already debunked this lady.

The Oba said Eko wasn’t owned by Benin.

Cheers.

Both the king Oba of Lagos and her royal highness agreed that Benin own Lagos

The first post I posted was from Oba of Lagos who narrated how his grandma told him how Benin founded lagos.

You didn’t accept it you said it was all written by Edo because they were no video to support it.

I bring you another Lagosian narrative not only lagosian but a royal lagosian.

So you think you know more than the king and her royal highness.

About Ashipa you agreed his son Ado was buried in Benin due to her mother connection, you also agreed that Ashipa was also buried in Benin. But how come they also buried his body in Benin when his mother is not from Edo?

You contradicting yourself already.

General account all says Benin establish Lagos even Lagos king refused to bow to Oni of Ife at one occasion.

Didn’t you read what Lagos royal highness said? Wait let me dig it up for you again.

“ There is nothing stringent but there are still some courtesies that are exchanged between the palaces. For instance, at the coronation of a new king in Lagos, the Oba of Benin will, at some point, come over to welcome the new king into the fold of royalty and remind the king that he has a father in him.”

“That means that we still have those social courtesies that are exchanged between the two kingdoms. And if a new king is being crowned in Benin, the Oba of Lagos will have a vantage position as a son of the soil within the context of the ceremony. Apart from that, everybody is independent in his own right but we enjoy a lot of goodwill. Whatever is between us now is ceremonial and more of courtesies.”

So you mean our royal highness a lagosian is lying? Or should not believe her royal highness I should believe Top11?

Did Nri even existed.

What Existed in Nigeria then was
First Benin

During some century they later found a kingdom Ida and Oyo.

Nri is just imaginations kingdom by president Igbo

The old Establish Igbo kingdom that was know in the past are Onitcha ni du Agbor and all this kingdom was under Benin empire and was colonized by Benin.

Lagose royal highness the real lagosians.


Her Royal Highness, Erelu Kuti IV of Lagos, Erelu Abiola Dosunmu, in this interview, shares her perspective on the controversy over the ‘ownership’ of Lagos and declares that the former federal capital was an extension of Benin Kingdom. She explains that there are no ambiguities regarding the ancestry of the aborigines of Lagos, saying they are predominantly Benin. Abiola Dosumu maintains that the Awori ,after settling in Lagos, paid royalties to Benin people. Excerpts:



Erelu Abiola Dosunmu
Are you not concerned about the controversy over the true aborigines of Lagos?

I would not say I am concerned because I know the truth. The history of Lagos is not obscure, it is very clear. If people are going to say the truth, we all know what the truth is.

A friend was saying to me if I was not sure there is no third party trying to take the rights of Lagos through this raging controversy. We all know the story of Lagos from childhood.

Even a play was staged about the beginning of Lagos last year. I just know that the truth will surface after this raging controversy because a lot of the gladiators are being miserly in some of their discussions.

Can you give clarity on some of the things you consider not to be factual among those that have been said so far?

The territory of Lagos has always been an extension of the Benin Kingdom in the sense that they used it as a passage to the port for their trading and interaction with foreigners. We all know that foreigners visited the Benin Empire long before colonialism and signing of the treaty of Lagos. This is their passageway and hunting ground.

As soon as strangers came to settle down, they would pounce on them and make them pay royalties. Like all human beings, when you settle in a place for a long time, it is expected that you will have the right of ownership.

And the foreigners were not ready to be subservient and refused to pay Isakole (royalty) and the Benin king did not take kindly to that. He sent an expedition and subjugated the foreigners and set up his own administration in form of a kingdom.

Therefore, when I say that we are purely and predominantly Benin, it is the truth. The royalty of Lagos is predominantly Benin.

But we have all intermingled and have since inter-married with people from Yoruba land and people from other places. And we are enjoying the two cultures. We are even enjoying more because we now have Igbo, Hausa and other tribes settling in Lagos. We are not enjoying the Yoruba influence alone, we are also enjoying other influences.

Prior to the institution of the royalty with Oba Ado as the first king, who were the people that the Benin met on the ground?

The Benin has always known about Lagos because they considered it as part of their territory and they used it for many purposes. And when the Awori came from Ife to settle in the areas of Lagos, the Benin quickly got them to pay royalties. Benin was landlocked but, as Benin Empire, they were interacting with people from other parts of the world.

It was Benin Empire and, when the Portuguese and others came, they also had to pass through the Kuramo waters to get there. They had already laid claim to the land called Lagos. Whether they gave it a name or not, it was an extension of their playground. And when another group of people came to settle there, the Benin said they already had authority over the palace.

That was what informed their decision to make the Awori pay royalties. And after paying the Isakole for a while, they (Awori) decided not to pay anymore. That made the Benin to decide not to leave a vacuum anymore and set up an administration.

That is why I am saying that there is no ambiguity in the history of Lagos if we are going to tell the truth. All these people, who have been talking, never mentioned that they paid Isakole but we all know that.

It is written in books that they paid Isakole. That was the main reason the Benin came and took Olofin away. He refused to be subservient to them. The Benin came here because it is their territory. There is evidence that an expedition was sent from Benin, there is evidence that they were conquered because there was an obaship in place.

Even if they did not have anything and just sent an expedition to conquer, when someone conquers, he takes over the land and property of the conquered territory. Now, we want to unify our views and have a consensus so that those people, who are trying to take our rights away, can be confronted to see if we can get some kind of compensation for our children.

This is not the first time such controversy is raging, what do you think is responsible for its recurrence?

What I did at NIIA was to state that Oba Dosumu was an unsung hero. It was to state that the treaty for which he was being castigated was a masterstroke. He was a forward-looking king who had the interest of his people at heart. He did not allow his position to go into his head by allowing his subjects to be destroyed in a meaningless battle.

He found a way to a roundtable discussion and was able to retain integrity for his kingdom, while still retaining the friendship of the colonial people. There are many countries in Africa where people don’t remember their culture but he found a way to get a concession by which he was allowed to remain a king and sustain the culture and pride of his people as independent human begins.

And the people actually enjoyed the benefits because they were able to carry British passports and get scholarships to study abroad.

That is why a lot of early educated people were the indigenous people of Lagos. For example, people like the late Justice Elias, Justice Junaidu, and Prince Ajose were among the early educated people. Our fathers and grandfathers were all products of King’s College, they were either great bankers, doctors, pharmacists, etc. It is wrong to think that Lagos people are lazy. It is not the indigenous people of Lagos, who are lazy, it is those who come from other places.

This kind of controversy happened before and it is here again. In the light of that, how can the issue be resolved because oral history is easily distorted and told to suit individual and group interests?

If you don’t talk about issues, solutions may not be found. I think it is appropriate that we should discuss it. There should be this kind of conversation going on but, at the end of the day, a superior argument will carry the day. It is okay to take a story from wherever, but it is right to take it from the beginning and analyse it in a sensible way based on what our ancestors told us, what other people have written and what we learnt from our researches.

That is the best instead of the jaundiced way it is being done now. We will get there. It is healthy that conversations will be going on, at the end of the day we will sit at a roundtable and harmonise our views. And whatever that is not clear, we will address it and come up with a consensus.

We have had this kind of issue before on the story of the Eyo. The story is so clear but when the conversation started, people were attributing it to a princess from Badagry, but, at the end of the day, it was confirmed that the fetish came from the palace of the father of Queen Olugbani, wife of King Ado of Lagos.

But the colourful Aga is a creation of Oba Akisemoye of Lagos, the fetish was to protect them from the curious gaze of the people of Lagos. Strong young men in the neigbourhood were clad in white and given a stick to ward off anybody that wanted to interfere and they were called the Laba. That is why the Laba will always say that they are the head of the Eyo because they were the ones guarding the fetish until the early 1950s when the fetish felt they were not guarded properly by the Laba. Otherwise, Eyo, in the past, instead of the yellow Aga, was always red.

They were protecting the fetish but when the fetish felt the Laba was not protecting them anymore, they started having their own people to protect them with different colours of Aga. From there it expanded to the palaces of the white chiefs who started having their groups. It also expanded to groups formed by the Eyo Omo Oloku because, whenever there is an Eyo, it is always to honour departed obas.

The Eyo Omo Oloku can also come out in subsequent Eyos. So it kept getting bigger and definitely more colourful but it was a creation of the Oba of Lagos. The fetish was what was brought and the first Eyo was performed at the funeral of Queen Olugbani from where the fetish came from.

But before we settled that matter, people told different stories. I believe this one will be resolved. The problem is even not with the indigenous people of Lagos, it is being caused by people who want to claim ownership by default. They are the ones who are actually fueling the controversy.

The Benin Kingdom is always a central factor in the history of Lagos and Oba Akiolu even acknowledged the place of the kingdom recently. Are there still some cultural activities that take place between the Lagos royalty and Benin royalty?

There is nothing stringent but there are still some courtesies that are exchanged between the palaces. For instance, at the coronation of a new king in Lagos, the Oba of Benin will, at some point, come over to welcome the new king into the fold of royalty and remind the king that he has a father in him.

That means that we still have those social courtesies that are exchanged between the two kingdoms. And if a new king is being crowned in Benin, the Oba of Lagos will have a vantage position as a son of the soil within the context of the ceremony. Apart from that, everybody is independent in his own right but we enjoy a lot of goodwill. Whatever is between us now is ceremonial and more of courtesies.

Since all these started, have you reached out to the dramatis personae?

I decided to talk because many people have called that, as the person who seems like a custodian of history and culture of Lagos for over 40 years, I should make a statement and reach out to everybody.

I am talking because I want us to speak with one voice and not allow other people to take advantage of the situation. I am reaching out and hope that my views wil throw more light on the issues. We are going to reach out to more people and iron these out behind closed doors rather than on the pages of newspapers.

On oral history

When people talk about oral history, they also have to think of logic because if people rely on what they hear, they can never have a consensus. But logic must prevail. Time must also prevail because things are time bound.

If, for instance, they are saying that a certain people were paying royalties to the Benin Kingdom and others said they had been there centuries before the Benin came, but the same person who was said to have landed first was the same person that the Benin captured, how many centuries can that be? How long do human beings live? If they are saying the same person who came the first time was captured by the Benin and then returned, how long can it be? A lifetime!

Okay, he came as a young man and was captured as an old man? How many years are we talking about? I have read stories where they said some had been here for centuries and they are talking about the same original settlers. Therefore, common sense and time factor should also come into play when saying things based on oral history.

TAO11:
Jamesedd1: Ashipa is a Bini.

Me: Says who?

Jamesedd1: Says we Benin — per our early Benin account.

Me: Well, Ashipa is a Yorùbá.

Jamesedd1: Says who?

Me: Says we Yorubas — per our early Lagos account.

Jamesedd1: You Yorubas rE-wRoTe that history.

Me: To rEwRiTe is to edit/revise what’s already there?

Jamessed1: Yes! Exactly.

Me: Let’s compare dates to see who rEwRotE (if any).

Jamessed1: Yes, let’s do that to expose you Yorubas.

Me: When did Lagos document Ashipa originally?

Jamessed1: Well, that’s 1878/1929 (inclusive)

Me: When did Benin document Ashipa originally?

Jamessed1: Well, that’s in the year 1953.

Me: Which of these is earlier — Lagos or Benin.

Jamesedd1: Well, Lagos came before Benin.

Me: Who possibly rEwRoTe — the first or the latter?

Jamessed1: The latter.

Me: Who is the latter here?

Jamesedd1: Benin is the latter.

Me: So, who possibly rewrote — Lagos or Benin?

Jamessed1: Benin.

Me: So, you have a functioning brain??

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Always take your brain along with you going forward. No one has to sleep feed you.

Cheers.

Ashipa was from Benin is general accepted account even by Yoruba.

Ashipa was from Edo. Says who? By everyone eyewitness, Benin, Yoruba, earliest and present European, lagos history Benin history.

Ashipa was returning from Edo. Says who. You and you only and maybe some your Yoruba brothers from 19th century.

TAO11:
Read it again with your eyes open and slowly this time around:

“Some little time after the Olofin's death there began the peaceful penetration into Lagos of settlers from Benin. The Binis probably realised that they would not be able to occupy Lagos by force, as they had already been so decisively beaten in their attacks on Iddo, … permission was asked of the Lagos people for them [Binis] to land. This permission was granted, probably with no very good grace, although at that time Lagos island was very sparsely inhabited and there must have been room for many more settlers. … Some time after, the Binis began to attack the people on the mainland, and the leader of one of their marauding parties dying at Isheri, his remains were conveyed to Benin by one of the Isheri chiefs named Ashipa, …”

~ Sir Alan C. Burns, “History of Nigeria,” (1929), p. 43.

If you must reply, then make sure to quote word-for-word from a report earlier than 1929.

Let’s see where it says Ashipa is a Bini imdegene. I’ve shown you where it says he is a Yoruba.

Cheers.

At 19th century lol what have I be writing here? Yoruba started rewriting history from 19th century I haven’t research about Sir Alan but someone that was born 19th century how did he eyewitness something that happened in 16th century?.

If he ever documented anything like that it clearly show that it was told by Some Yorubas in there in 19th century. Yes Yoruba started rewriting history from 19th century.

TAO11:
“Some little time after the Olofin's death there began the peaceful penetration into Lagos of settlers from Benin. The Binis probably realised that they would not be able to occupy Lagos by force, as they had already been so decisively beaten in their attacks on Iddo, … permission was asked of the Lagos people for them [Binis] to land. This permission was granted, probably with no very good grace, although at that time Lagos island was very sparsely inhabited and there must have been room for many more settlers. … Some time after, the Binis began to attack the people on the mainland, and the leader of one of their marauding parties dying at Isheri, his remains were conveyed to Benin by one of the Isheri chiefs named Ashipa, …” ~ Sir A. C. Burns, (1929), p. 43.

All of these have been trashed in the preceding comment — a link to which is embedded below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/17#109687702

Cheers.

I don’t know what you mean here but if it to answer my question be specific and be understandable.


We both claim Ashipa the first dynasty in Lagos came from Edo. Only that you claim he was returning from Edo.


And In Benin no historical documents claim Awori once enter into Benin city from 16th century to 18th.

British Portuguese all eyewitness said it was always Benin who went to lagose to trade. They all see how Benin traded in lagos for 300 years. If Aworis still went to Benin they would have still saw it.

So how did Yoruba now just wake up one morning and turn everything around.

If truly history recorded that Awori was still going to Benin to trade or just go there bring it here.

I want to see how Ashipa Awori first went from Eko to Benin and then come back to Eko. Bring fact bring eyewitness.

You also said on his way returning from Benin to Lagos.

No history account has it that awori enter Benin city from 16 15 century if there is any account or eyewitness you can bring it here.

The only history account was Benin who always go to Eko to trade.

In Eko it was Awori/Ado or Edo citizen. As Awori begin to form superior that was when Oba of Benin send his War general Ashipa to go coordinate them. History never said awori crossed to Benin it was always Benin who went from their town to there.

So how did Yoruba now just wake up one morning and turn everything around?

In today Eko they are still some white chife cap and old Edo citizen in there before descendant now that only speak Yoruba ok because they speak Yoruba now they are now Yoruba origin?

TAO11:
First of all, Eletu is a Yorùbá word. Benin seem to have it too.

Secondly, read my foregoing comment to realize that I’m aware that Aṣipa initiated a relationship with Benin which led him to be accompanied by important Bini courtiers on his return back home to Eko.

What you don’t realize is that the general role of those who accompanied him is, as it is said, is to ensure that he doesn’t forget the interest of Benin too.

There wouldn’t have been any need for such concern if he was a Benin son. They would have accompanied him for some other reasons completely.

In any case, the attached shows the reigning king of Eko — Ọba Akioku — on his installation day with the installation coronation.

Does that installation crown look like an Edo one to you?

Be honest.

Cheers.

So what you are trying to say is that Ashipa didn’t come from Edo

Ashipa only gave his son Edo because his mother was from Edo.

If Ashipa didn’t come from Edo why did history has it that Odibo followed him with other chiefs from Edo.

1 How come someone that came from Edo (Odibo) immigrant has a power to elect or remove any Oba from Lagos.

2 How come not 1 but all the white cap chiefs of lagos are from Edo immigrants as you call it

How come Ashipa died in Lagose and was buried in (his father house)Edo

How come lagose was paying tax to Edo till 19th or 18th century

How come he was given a royal sword of othority from Oba of Benin

How come his prime ministers was from Edo Odibo like the rest Edo colony

Example Iyasere of Warri.


How come someone from Yoruba give his son Edo name.

Soon you you people will still go rewrite that his prim minister Odibo was a Yoruba origin I saw you already started saying Yoruba also answer Elutu.


I know Yoruba has Bering rewriting history since 19th century but let me tell you this Ashipa history will really be hard to be rewrite because European witness it they saw how he came from Benin that why in history the most acceptable is the general account of his Edo origin and the other one they just categorize it as Yoruba account.


I will not be surprised to see Eluto Odibo is now also Yoruba descendant as you said Yoruba also use that name.