ralphorb:


I’m happy you noticed all the eulogy. Even Omo is Yoruba language, which means a child. Child is called Ovbi in Benin language

so are you trying to say yoruba fathered Edo and Edo fathered Igbo?

Even ika itself is older than nri imagine kindom that we started hearing about from 19 century

If you enter their palace now I’m sure all the palace chiefs and the Obi will say they migrated from Benin.

U people are trying all your best to twist their History just for some political selfish interest

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Christistruth00:



Tao11 how are you jare

Are you serious that Ewuare the Great was actually fictional like the izoduwa story

Ewuare that was dated by European you think Benin history is like Yoruba own that moonlight tals that wasn’t dated lol for your information European dated Ewuare in 14t 13t century

ThickSharon123:


It's a lie. I believe you haven't heard of Eze Chima from Aro, or the Aro priest who came to the Oba of Bini based on official priestly duties and when things got sour he decided to leave the enclave, Bini and made the Anioma people. He learned the monarchial system which he gave to those Obi of Onitsha and the likes and Bini or the Oba also learned priestly, spiritual duites by taking the four market days and all things which are similar to Igbo spirituality. If Bini had rules that much why did it make Onitsha to name its own Obi, why not Oba, or Onogie? If you look at it your way it's still nominal, because Bini couldn't lord it over other clans and city states in the east. So, stop trying to force your imaginary Bini kingdom ruling the east, it was never there. Some people in the far East do not know of Bini or how it looks like (that's the truth)

You Benin never rul east. Olaudah Equiano I’m from igbo as you claim which was under the kingdom of Benin.


It left for you to argue with Olaudah Equiano if you are right oh he is.

bigfrancis21:




1) Do you realize here that Olaudah confessed that while in Africa and growing up in his village he had never heard of Benin until he got to the Americas? And even if his village was under Bini, the power of the Oba of Bini was merely nominal [meaning of nominal:
(of a role or status) existing in name only]. Meaning that if his village was under the King of Bini, then it was only by name because his presence was generally unknown in his village (confirming again that the Oba of Bini's influence barely exceeded beyond the River Niger). It is very likely that his village was not under Bini to begin with because the Bini king would have sent someone to rule over his people if they were subjected under him. All the affairs of his people were handled by the elders of the community and not by a King representative from Bini, as the King of Bini did with the areas under him.

2) Do you understand also that as of the 1800s when Olaudah wrote his book, Nigeria as a country did not exist. Most African countries and boundaries did not exist. Olaudah used the nearest landmark to his village, which was the Kingdom of Bini to pinpoint the geographical location of his people. Did you also notice that he mentioned Guinea as another geographical landmark as well?

I see most antagonists reading his first page, stopping there and making unfounded claims about his ethnicity, without bothering to read his book in full.

Ibo/Eboe was always used to refer to Igbo speaking people, way before the people themselves accepted the name. This argument about whether Eboe and Igbo are the same is quite petty.

the kingdom of Benin....This kingdom is divided into many provinces or districts: in
one of the most remote and fertile of which,
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I was born, in the year 1745, situated in a charming fruitful vale, named Essaka. The distance of this
province from the capital of Benin and the sea coast must be very considerable; for I had never heard.


The Above statement the guy called Benin kingdom an empire/ country.

Then he later said his place I Ebo was one of the province of Benin. Now let me say the meaning of province, (a principal administrative division of a country or empire.)

Now a king that has a country or empire which Ebo was one of his many province can’t be selecting admin, he can only do this in his capital Edo Benin city. Even in Edo then the king was so decorated that you can’t even see him it only high chifs and commands that have that privilege you wan see Oba you wan see I’m finish lol.

Even me never see Nigeria president before our issues are been taken care of by local government chairman not even governor’s oh talkes of overall president.

Bro you have no debate here He confess his place was one of the province of Benin that enough or google the meaning of province.

ThickSharon123:
I'm ok


I don't know what you're talking about, but the only areas Bini had a foothold is Bini, Igbo clans in the West (not all) had only nominal representation. Bini couldn't do anything or force them to be subjected. Ever wondered why Bini never brought it's madness at the east but took it to the west? You tell yourself that. All Igbo clans in the west, that's Western Igbos were only nominally related to Bini.

Lol which madness? Haha which other Igbo king is greater than Obi of anitcha, Obi of Agbor. Benin was having control over your greatest kings and this kings was controlling the rest Ebo tribe and then send tax to Benin kingdom (oba of Benin). Olaudah Equiano Was never wrong if you check well.

Up till now if you go to Obi of agbor palace he nor go still disagree Waten happen for history.


I know that politician ojuku brainwashed you guys head some years back to pursue his political ambitions. #biafra #isreal hahah

ThickSharon123:


Yes, and they were Igbo slave traders from the producers to the middlemen. Bini had a very small part and didn't have power in all of the East. It never had the power you propehese it did, check the history books. I don't know which history book you're reading or what part of Oluadah's work shows that. Stop being delusional.

No they were no Igbo traders as you claimed.

European never mentioned Igbo or Igbo trader anywhere in their pre colony documents.

What European keep mentioning was them trading and doing business with Benin even people Debate now that it was because Benin were the people they traded with that why they were naming most geographical areas Benin.

So don’t bring fake claim by emeka from 19th century.

I repeat European never traded with Igbo until slave trade was abolished.

If this happens kindly bring your proof Because I’m still 100 pacent sure.


So as Olaudah Equiano the only Igbo or let me say Ebo claimed that Igbo was been taken this trade must be controlled by Benin authorities chiefs.


European claim Benin sold slave to them anyway but Benin but might be denied by some Benin sha but Itshekiri said them and Benin together sold slaves.

But as fact remains European never documented ever doing business or trading with Igbo

ThickSharon123:


Bini scarcely traded in Igbo slaves. The people who traded in Igbo slaves were Igbos , from the producer to the middlemen. Bini knew it's lane.

Don’t talk what you don’t know ok.

European never documented anything about your imagination Igbo then until slave trade was band. They traded with Benin in that region mentioned and documented it several times. The only reason people believe they took Igbo was because of Olaudah Equiano who claim this people was Ebo and still was under Benin control.

Your Igbo came into existence after slave was band accept you mean it this Ebo that was under Benin kingdom peace out.

bigfrancis21:


If these places came from Bini, how come they all speak Igbo language as native tongue?

I just want to hear your answer.

This is normal Benin language is old Igbo is new Latin gave birth to most European languages now even English is wildly more spoken than Latin. Esan came from Benin but the people speak Esan not Benin auchi a lot. If you check well Igbo seems to be curuptd language of Igala Eka and Benin.

bigfrancis21:


Bight of Benin and Benin Kingdom are two different things. Do not confuse the two.

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That is, Bight of Benin starts from Ghana to Togo to Benin to SW/Bendel Nigeria. East of the River Niger (from Delta Igbo) down to Cameroon and even Central Africa was known as Bight of Bonny/Biafra.


Benin Kingdom refers to Bini people (less than 250,000 people at its peak) and their territories proper.

Slaves from Igboland were sold under the Bight of Bonny, not Bight of Benin. Igbo slaves were not sent to Lagos for sale. Yoruba slaves were sold at Lagos and Ouidah ports. The 2 most popular ports in the Bight of Bonny were Calabar and Bonny (Rivers state) ports. The major slave ports in the Bight of Benin were Lomé, Togo; Cotonou, Benin; and Lagos, Nigeria.

The major slaves sold from the Bight of Benin were Asante, Twi, Fon, Ga, Yoruba etc. Slaves from Ghana to Benin dominated the Bight of Benin slave trade until the 1800s (the Oyo-Dahomey wars) when Yoruba slaves, who were mostly captives and spoils of war, became majority. However, from the Bight of Bonny, Igbo slaves remained the majority consistently throughout the entire slave period. Slaves sold from the Bight of Bonny were Igbo, Ibibio, and some numbers from Cameroon etc.

Olaudah Equiano Was one of this Igbo slaves he stated that this Igbo was under Benin kingdom.

Olaudah Equiano Is the only evidence that Igbo was actually sold as slaves in pre colony era.

Read about his book and you will see the authorities Benin have over igbo then. We are not talking about Yoruba here.

Accept you want to bring evidence of Igbos sold as slave before 19th century that not Olaudah Equiano narratives.

ThickSharon123:


Bini scarcely traded in Igbo slaves. The people who traded in Igbo slaves were Igbos , from the producer to the middlemen. Bini knew it's lane.

Lol you can lie oh where did you see this when did they band slaves trade? When was the word Igbo was recognized? Let me tell you the truth your Igbo was recognized by the world in ending of 18th 19th century. The only one recognized before then was Ebo and this tribe was a dependent tribe to Benin kingdom. A Benin king was more like their president then said by olaudah equiano. Anything leaving or coming to Ebo then was classified as leaving bight of Benin or let me just say Benin kingdom.

Oba of Benin was more like the president of Ebo then and the only documented slaves taken out of Igbo was from Ebo then so this mean Ebo was the name called Igbo before and this igbo was under Benin kingdom.

If you disagree this mean Ebo was not igbo and no igbo was taken to the western world as slave
Aunitcha is not igbo
Asaba is not Igbo
Agbor is not igbo


Because all this place king also supported what olaudah equiano In 17th century

ThickSharon123:
I'm ok


I don't know what you're talking about, but the only areas Bini had a foothold is Bini, Igbo clans in the West (not all) had only nominal representation. Bini couldn't do anything or force them to be subjected. Ever wondered why Bini never brought it's madness at the east but took it to the west? You tell yourself that. All Igbo clans in the west, that's Western Igbos were only nominally related to Bini.

Slaves that was taken in your region all was classified as bight of Benin. you and your Friend still here contradicting what olaudah equiano documents supported

ThickSharon123:


Igbo is large. And Igbos on the West side lived in Bini, that didn't make them under any Oba. Even Equaino had pointed it out, saying it was nominal. If you don't know what nominal is check it out. Igbanke is an Igboid tribe close to Bini, does that make them Bini? Please, you don't have any argument. If you can self analyse you'll know other than using sentiments or imaginary domineering Bini kingdom which were either nominal or non existent for some.

Please don’t contradict yourself.

olaudah equiano was not confused ok

Those 3 kings Royals documents also said the same thing.

On a research I research I found igbo Ebo the only time it was been documented in a map was in 17th century it was documented by a European I forgot the name it was placed under Benin kingdom as well with a mini name as Benin was the bigger name above it.

So olaudah equiano the 3 kings of SE European in 17t century can’t be all wrong while you of yesterday will be write.

So do Igbo really came from Isreal or old Benin kingdom?

ThickSharon123:


Igbo is large. And Igbos on the West side lived in Bini, that didn't make them under any Oba. Even Equaino had pointed it out, saying it was nominal. If you don't know what nominal is check it out. Igbanke is an Igboid tribe close to Bini, does that make them Bini? Please, you don't have any argument. If you can self analyse you'll know other than using sentiments or imaginary domineering Bini kingdom which were either nominal or non existent for some.

And you claim aunitcha abol Ise luku is Igbo right and also the slaves ship’s to western words are Igbo right?

I’m just stating fact here. You can never know better than those kings ok unless you will tell me those kings kindom are not Igbo and the Eastern slaves that was taken to western world are not igbos as well peace out.

ThickSharon123:


Are you silly, so you're telling me Aboh people are denying Igbo becuase they want them to emanate from somewhere. So you believe in that cock and bull story that various people with a difference can come from one person?
The English, Mongolians, Kiev's, Indians all are different but share one language and cultural similarity which made them one. If this is Abohs argument becuase they want Igbos to say an Aboh man gave birth to all Igbos before they accept that we share language and culture together. Then in believe you might be dreaming. You should stay as your Aboh, biko.

How is abo Igbo when their ancestors is from Benin empire ok if abo is Igbo do you also now agreed that Igbo are sons of Benin or let me say You agree Igbo ancestors are from Benin?


In an interview with abo king the man clearly says they are from Benin empire same goas with King of aunitcha and king of ise luku.

Now the first time ebo was mentioned in history was it found under Benin kingdom by olaudah equiano.

olaudah equiano Claim any Igbo man found in western world hati or what’s so ever was a tribe from Benin or under Benin kingdom.

Now the question is do Igbo really came from Isreal or they came from old Benin kingdom.?

Amaechs:
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Y'all got to know that Igbos are one, there was never Nigeria when the Igbos and other tribes were here, the man has stated in his book being more specific that's he's from Igbo, he didn't say Benin.

. Yes he is from Igbo and Igbo was under the great Benin kingdom them then Igbo was always dependent to Benin this is the Igbo tru history the rest are fabricated.

Shiver99:


The benin 'empire' that Olaudah described only existed in the mind of Europeans, who at that time didn't have a clear picture on African geography. Hence the reason Olaudah made sure to state that neither he nor any of his Igbo brethren had ever heard of this so-called empire. An Ibibio, cross riverian or bassa man who was captured in the slave trade was also considered part of the mythical 'benin empire' of that time by the British.

However, Olaudah's biography clearly states that he was an Igbo man.

They don’t have a clear picture for 500 years they don’t have a clear picture they amalgamat Nigeria and colonized you

Shiver99:


The benin 'empire' that Olaudah described only existed in the mind of Europeans, who at that time didn't have a clear picture on African geography. Hence the reason Olaudah made sure to state that neither he nor any of his Igbo brethren had ever heard of this so-called empire. An Ibibio, cross riverian or bassa man who was captured in the slave trade was also considered part of the mythical 'benin empire' of that time by the British.

However, Olaudah's biography clearly states that he was an Igbo man.

Yes he was an Igbo man and then Igbo was under Benin empire. He said Igbo was always under Benin kingdom and control until 19th century the fall of Benin. The only kingdom in Nigeria sample in a movie still remain the Benin kingdom. So it pride for the Igbo to come out from this great kingdom I may say.

Nor be FC Dey make noise now see their artist.

Burna always stating fact saying he is the beat in Africa is normal. But Wizkid fans do campe him with global artist that internationa artist Dey beg Wizkid self for featuring lol

Now it clear Wizkid fans don’t know anything.

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TAO11:
Lmao

You can bring on your Reno Omokiri when next we’re discussing APC vs. PDP — not even Nigerian Law.

For now I’m discussing history, so you’re only allowed to cite from historians; not Nigerian political jobbers.

And when you eventually do, don’t forget your task of proving that the land on which your Benin city stands wasn’t named after Guinea — as far away as Guinea is from your Benin city.

Kisses Peace

Close your mouth bitch. What do woman know accept d**k. your own dor too much you claim you know history and you don’t even know anything. Reno Omokiri an Itshekiri man from Royals, state documented fact how Benin geographically covered what is now know as Itshekiri before and together them and Benin sold Ebo as slaves.

But a hole want us to leave nobles from Royals house of Itshekiri documented scrolls facts and believe her.

And least you are not even Itshekiri or lagosian.

This bitch want you to leave citizen of a place and believe her that she know more. Fool

TAO11:
”According to a well known Itsekiri man” or what did I just read??

You’re naturally ret@rded clearly.

Until you adduce actual contrary historical evidence to my submissions and evidence (or cite a historian), then you remain a joke.

Remember, your evidence should show that the land on which your Benin city stands was not named after Guinea — as far away as it is.

Cheers.

Reno Omokri (born 1974) is a Nigerian lawyer, bestselling author and human rights activist. He is also the star of a travel documentary series, Reno Around the World. He is well known Itshekiri man

TAO11:
What manner of trash is this boy writing? How old are you sef?


Benin city is not in the geographical area of “Guinea”.

Yet the land on which Benin city stands is named after Guinea.

Or are you implying that Guinea owns Benin city?

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Las-las you would receive sense and realize that the Europeans named the gulf, bight, forest, etc. after the places they are more acquainted with, & not because they thought Guinea owns Benin city for example.

Cheers. BTW, use your @gregyboy account.

According to well know Itshekiri man they as on of the few state of Benin nation work hand together in selling slaves but this bitch Tao11 think otherwise.


Itsekiris and the Binis had Igbo slaves for centuries before British colonialism. After the British banned slavery, we were forced to set them free. Some of them returned to Igbo land, others remained with us and gradually formed a new language called ******* (an Itsekiri word which we used to call them while they were our slaves). There are about 200,000 ******* still with us.
(I will not reveal the name of this tribe called *******, because I do not want to offend them, but they are in Delta state)
If they speak, an Igbo person will understand some of what they say, while Itsekiris, Binis and even European Portuguese people will understand them too. Those of them who chose to return to Igbo land have Igbo names that sound like Itsekiri or Benin names, for example Iweka, and many names beginning with Oba or Iken.
That is how some of our names and also Benin names went into the Igbo lexicon.
We have century old carvings in Ode Itsekiri and Benin depicting Igbo slaves, which we sold to the Portuguese via our ancient pre colonial port called Ogidigben. The grandfather of the present Oba of Benin showed some of these carvings to the world famous British anthropologist, Sir David Attenborough in 1973. The video is on YouTube. When you see the carving, even you will have no doubt that the person is Igbo.
Because of the sheer number of Igbo slaves we sold at Ogidigben, the Portuguese named the town Escravos, which means slave in Portuguese. Till today, many people still call Ogidigben Escravos.
We also sold slaves in another town called Burutu, which the Portuguese renamed Forcados (meaning forced labourer, which is a nicer way of saying slaves).
Obviously, I am not too proud of this history. I wish it never happened. History is not always pleasant. I am only revealing it to you because you are getting the wrong idea of linkages between our two peoples