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TAO11:
Dummy, there was no Nigeria or southern Nigeria at the time of the map you attached.

The coastal/near coastal places annotated on the map are those with whom the Europeans are acquainted by virtue of significant trading activities. That’s all.


On the other hand, my much older map which shows the Latin annotation “Regnʋm Orgʋene” (The Ọɣọ̀nẹ’s Domain) shows no mention of Benin, Biafra, or any of the other Yorùbá kingdoms.

This map has nothing to do with trade relationship as the seat of the Ọɣọ̀ni (Ọọ̀ni) is not around the coast.

This map (by Martin Waldseemüller, 1513) intends to highlight the relevant regional powers at the time.

And Ifẹ turns out to be the regional power at the time. Benin, et al. apparently agrees to this information as this map abundantly shows.


That’s the actual point I’m making — that is, the level of how all the coastal/near coastal kingdoms (+ your Benin) submit & surrender to the overlordship of the Ọọ̀ni of Ifẹ.


It is very satisfying how I made you distance yourself from your @gregyboy account.

That’s exactly how it should be. Bini mugus must deny their accounts and their origin whenever I show up.

You actually wish to have an Oǹdo blood in you. You knew that Oǹdo palace traditions recognize Ifẹ as the origin of the Oǹdo kingdom.

You’re therefore desperate to associate with Ifẹ. Keep dreaming. But you remain a Bini slave of the present Ọmọ-n-Ọba and his predecessors who are all our sons from Ifẹ̀ (ibi tí ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá).

Cheers.

But last time I checked in 15th century Martin Waldseemüller didn’t visit Yoruba or Ife in west Africa the kingdom he visited was Benin keep deceiving your fellow Yorubas.

No European visited Ife in 15th century so where did you get your map from come correct yourself.

TAO11:
(1) Sequeira (the first European visitor in the Nigerian region) visited Lagos in the 1470s, and never Benin.

(2) Lagos in the 1400s have no Benin connection.

The first Benin connection to Lagos didn’t begin until the mid/late-1500s when Benin immigrants came to trade & settle on the Eko island.


(3) Benin tradition says Itsekiri land was visited by the Europeans, long before the Binis came with rich gifts to the Itsekiris begging that they too be visited by the Europeans.

(3) IF Itsekiri was indeed “geographically Benin” as you wish it was, the Benin king would not be begging the Itsekiri king with rich gifts.

(4) In the 1400s & 1500s, the Europeans inquired from the coastal/near-coastal people on who the greatest king of the region is.

And everyone (including the Binis) pointed only to the Ọɣọ̀ni (i.e. the Ọọ̀ni) whose seat is in the interior, and whose domain spans the Nigeria region and beyond.

(5) The 2nd attachment in my foregoing comment is a page from a Dictionary of Bini Language compiled by Yorubas Binis and Hans Melzian.

(6) In sum, your fathers & mothers of old believed that the Ọɣọ̀ni of Ifẹ is God incarnate. Thus, his home (Ifẹ) is regarded as a sort of “Heaven”.

Thus, the first rulers (olóyè/enioyè, ogie/enogie) sent from Ifẹ to govern Benin are mythologized by Binis as rulers from Heaven, viz. “ogiso” — from: ogie + iso.



(7) Your search query produced a popular result (based on users interaction) which is the word “Benin”. The article itself never says Benin is the first place visited by Europeans. It never says so anywhere.

Instead, Benin traditions states clearly: the Europeans have been trading for long with Itsekiris prior to when the Benin king sent gifts to Itsekiri and begged that the Europeans visit Benin too.

Cheers.

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PS: Why did you stop using @gregyboy account lately?

Is it that you’ve now seen the truth and you’re trying to dissociate yourself from the crap on that account?

European eyewitness geographical location southern Nigeria.



I know you will bring your Oghene map but that not world European eyewitness. it is Benin eyewitness.

That the levels

I’m different from Greg boy ok my mom is urhobo my father is benin my father mom is from Ondo so you see that I’m a fully Benin kingdom boy

Search the first place or kingdom European visited in Nigeria in all platforms first page will say Benin.

Normally lagos was closer to the Atlantic Ocean but they need to visit Benin, see Benin king first to be officially recognized by the king of Portugal that truly they visited Nigeria then as the Benin kingdom was the recognized kindom in south Nigeria in any where both geographically.

Is this what you still arguing what was even documented by European then.

TAO11:
Yes the Europeans visited Lagos before Benin in the 1470s.

Yes the Europeans (Portuguese) visited Ijebu also in the 1480s.

Yes Benin traditions admit that the Europeans came to Itsekiri before Binis came begging to be visited too.

All in all, thank you for admitting that even your Benin kingdom admitted to the Europeans that the Ọɣọ̀nẹ (Ọọ̀ni) is the only relevant monarchy in the region of Nigeria in the 1500s and even prior.

See the 1st attachment

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See the 2nd attachment for the Bini word “Ọɣẹnẹ”, it’s meanings, and its origin.

Kisses

Contact with the Portuguese
Ewuare was the Oba of the Benin empire when the Portuguese explorer Ruy de Sequeira arrived in 1472. It is unclear whether he went into the city, but contacts between the Portuguese and the Oba were initiated.

Ewuare is also the first king that come incontact with European.

The Lagos you said they visited was geographically named Benin Lagos was just one of the few cities of Benin then.

Portuguese arrived a geographical Benin slave cost and was directed to the ruler of that geographical kingdom same year Oba Ewuare.

Itshekiri was still geographically Benin that time you can verify by checking the map European came and they also direct them to their king who lives in the city (Benin city) same time.

All this place you mentioned were Benin territory that time it was geographically proven by the European.

2 Benin kings are the lords European seen and make agreements with to start trading in all this geographical places. Lagos don’t even have king this period.

Now you went to bring a Yoruba write up to prove benin was calling oni Oghene.

In south Nigeria
We both agreed that European/ the world verified that Benin was officially geographically kingdom then.

We both also agreed now that Benin verified that Yoruba/Ife was also a kingdom in the north west.

Now you see the level: Benin civilized Yoruba European civized Benin no wonder they were lot of explore of the Benin in all Yoruba west before the exploration of the European to Nigeria.

Simbrixton:
unfortunately dere is a ukoluhe guild who send messages to ile ife courts

Wich year I guess from 19th century when they are trying to establish a connection with Yoruba

So the only Yoruba map in the world in history was documented by Benin this is what you have be posting everywhere in the internet being proud of the colony of Benin.

Proud that Benin colonized you now you have concluded that Benin civilize yoruba if Yoruba first map in the world was documented by Benin explorer this means Benin colonized Yoruba just as European colonize Nigeria

TAO11:
That’s the whole point dummy.

Martin Waldseemüller and the other Europeans in the 1500s are not magicians to have known by themselves that the Ọɣọ̀nẹ (Ọọ̀ni) is the greatest.

The Europeans, of course, must have gotten that from the native peoples at/near the Atlantic coast.

And these natives are the Èkós, the Ijebus, the Oǹdos, the Itsekiris, the Binis, et al.

In sum, your fathers/mothers of old admitted without shame that the Ọɣọ̀nẹ (Ọọ̀ni) is light years greater than than your “Ọmọ-n-ọba”.

Why don’t you do the same as your fathers/mothers?

Cheers.

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I’m not aware of any history (be it Igala history or Bini history) which says that Igala kings are the masters & overlords of Benin kings.

I’m seriously interested in such history if you know of such. I need such history to mock your people. Please help me. Thanks.

Cheers.

Which vars say it was ijebu they visited. Stop lying at that time European trust a Benin chiefs words more than ijebu king. Benin was the most civilized kingdom so they trust their world even without a properly verification. This show Benin actually colonized Yoruba if European have to trust Benin narrative in 15th century better than them visiting the so called Oghene.

You are proud of a Benin colony a place a Benin man named to the European is what you are proud of. Yoruba was so unrecognized that European need a well recognized Benin to verify their existence. And this is what you are proud of.

Oghene is old Benin word that means lord used by Urhobo today.

And you keep posting it every where lol you are very funny so Benin is what Yoruba history lies on before 19th century so if Benin didn’t talk to European about this a map like this won’t have come about.


Let me educate you more about a well recognized kindom then that other kindom need their verification to prove their existence.

During the time of Oba esigie in 15th century his elder brother who supposed to be the king was a giant lord he went north of Benin udo he might be it was Igala then as he was a giant and a supposed king they might see him as lord, this era was still the era Igala first dynasty was found which Igala claim came from Benin kingdom.

The Benin know aruan as lord to his younger brother esigie and should have be the king instead of esigie. So if they say they have lord in the north they might be referring to the giant Aruan in udo or king in Igala established by the Benin kingdom.

But still this all was verified by the Benin’s in 15th century not the unrecognized Yoruba.

so keep being proud of Benin verification it prove some point Benin colonized you, Benin was most recognized source most recognized kingdom in south Nigeria for the world at that time.

davidnazee:
This story is not complete, you did not add Benin Kingdom in it.. Any yoruba history without Benin Kingdom included is not complete and uninteresting..

Me just tire they must find a way to twist everything soon they will say the etinosa in Lagos have a meaning in Yoruba. Egbado egb Ado Ado is Edo in ancient time and there is no Benin in the story can’t you see their lies.

TAO11:
Get some education dullard. “Realm of Ọɣọnẹ” was the only relevant kingdom in the Nigeria region even in as recent as the year 1513.

The father of your “Ọmọ-n-ọba” is => Ọɣọnẹ => Ọwọnẹ => Ọwọni => Ọọni.

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Cartographer: Martin Waldseemüller

Title: Tabula Moderna Prime Partis Aphricae

Publication Date: 1513

Cheers.

Now what is your prove is a reference a Benin man reference to European in 15th century a Yoruba people painted as their own.

First European never visited Yoruba that era 15th century, now how did they found Yoruba there.

European visit Benin 15th century and Benin told them there is Oghene in the north now this suddenly become your Yoruba existence evidence which at the same time lies on Benin shoulders again.

2 how do you know the Benin were referring to Yoruba to the European Benin never make connections with the Ife that time but Igala this map might be Igala. And they never mentioned the name Ife but Oghene.

But still being the Igala or Ife still need Benin for recognition as the Benin was officially the recognized kingdoms in that region so anything they said can be documented.

A Benin recognition place is what you are proud of it a shame.

The guy said Edo is minority ok I agreed but Edoid is not this includ Uhobo and Isoko. And Edo might be small now but in the history it was more bigger than Yoruba.

Jidasem:
Drop your weed and don't posting cultural revisionism from insecurity. There are different theories on Oduduwa among culturalists of yoruba land, and none of them includes him being from Benin. Oduduwa could have been one of the many Kings of yoruba Land, a yoruba man, famed in history for his time of rulership being peaceful.

He could also be a mythical figure, as he can also be put in the Yoruba creation story which involves Ife being the starting point of humanity. Newsflash many ethnicity has such figures and founders of their race, who wasn't actually a real person buried anywhere. This father concept, where a mythical man singularly birthed an ethnicity and Language is in some other ethnicities. But mythical figure or not, he was a yoruba man through and through and the ideology that surrounds him.

Oduduwa was also said to be from North up, "East" of the world, which can mean a migration theory of Yorubas coming from there. Oduduwa broken down means The Black man has come, in yoruba, O- du- du- wa, so it was definitely Black people, not another race. The next one can it together. Oduduwa's Father is said to be Lamurudu. Lamurudu = Nimrod.

You should read up on Nimrod. If this theory is true, and Oduduwa was an historical person and not a myth, then it ties into coming from the East of the world, and Nimrod was who his tower of Babel sparked a separation of a collective world Language into many and people leaving together with their ethnic groups.

So those are the theories on Oduduwa, all Yoruba in nature. He still remains a mythical figure though, unless anyone can point out his grave and prove of existence.

If Oduduwa came from the east of Yoruba Benin is the east of Yoruba is time for you guys to accept fact in world map Benin has always show to be east of Oyo from ancient time.

Even if Oduduwa came from east far across Nigeria it must have get to Benin first before going to Ife every map point Benin as the east of ife. Ife - Benin.

Edo is not speaking by Benin alone in fact they are some places in Ondo that speak corrupted Edoid mix with Yoruba same with Agbor that why you see Agbor do bear the name (Odion) this name is Edoid it means same thing in Benin Urhobo and Agbor

Nisiw365:
Illiterate. You are either edo or not. You are from edo state, not urhobo

Comon my father is Urhobo but I was brought up in Benin but it did change the fact that Urhobo is Edoid. Apart from that my father people also trace their root to Benin empire so in Origin my father are stil from Benin root.

And also a Benin man can understand Urhobo more than some Esan language like uromi

Nisiw365:
Stfu. Urhobo is urhobo not edoid. Go to delta state and call urhobo edoid if you will make it out alive

Are you telling me m language? Or are you that illiterate don’t you know google in fact my father is urhobo my mother is Benin when urhobo is talking Benin can hear 60% of it Benin Esako Isoko Esan are Edoid if you are illiterate can’t you still google?

Nisiw365:
rest. Everyone knows edo is a sub minority tribe. Ijaw, tiv, fulani, idoma, urhobo, kanuri are even more populated than you. Everyone knows edo is 100k at most

So is urhobo not Edoid? Did you went to school at all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBxVOPHUXIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBxVOPHUXIg

Igbo was first known under Benin kingdom please you people should stop lying no one mentioned Igbo in 16th century European never visit Igbo until 18th century. Benin was the place they visited in that region and no body meet igbo in the north at that time.

But in 17th century Igbo was first mentioned by olaudah equiano he was a slave that was bought in Ebo/Igbo. Olaudah equiano narrated that he was bought as a slave in Igbo tribe, a tribe under the Benin kingdom and control.

European maps of 17th century also supported the claim naming a little region Ebo with big Benin name Above it.

Read this book: The Life of Olaudah Equiano Writing by Olaudah in 17th century.

Nisiw365:
Yoruba own the whole of benin. Benin population is 100k. When nigeria divides, we will take back our benin. We are not 60 million for nothing

Yoruba is not even up to and half of current Edoid tribe talkes of old Edo empire.

flowerpower23:
Had they been calling themselves that prior to the 17th century or is that just when it was first recorded?

17th century was when it was first recorded and 18th century was when that name Igbo was first mentioned.

Please I have submitted and I have pay visa fee filled my form in Abuja they called it biometric. Now what next some people say my visa is next but I want to know when they will call me for visa after submission of biometric and paying visa fee?

fero007:
Isoko is NOT under urhobo, people sometimes confuse them for urhobo because urhobo is more popular, and they may do things 2heda socially n culturally once in a while but isoko is in no way UNDER urhobo

To me if any tribes can form one tribe it's isoko n urhobo, I don't know much bout bini/esan relationship, but I know all my years growing up in warri dat we NEVER ONCE heard that urhobo came from edo, neither did we notice any big similarity between us and the edo tribes( if you can point out any, please do) in fact the urhobos seem more culturally related to d izons, tsekiris n ukwanis(in my opinion) because urhobos n edos don't understand each others languages, don't eat same food, don't dress same way, don't ve d same festivals or anything, don't even ve d same stereotypes so I wonder where OP n others are seeing the "similarities in cultire" from

not trying to create divide between edos n deltans, we are all one nigeria, infact one human race, it's just dat as someone said earlier major tribes ve dis annoying habit of lumping minor tribes 2geda, n it's makes des tribes feel like their cultural uniqueness is insignificant

Is Uhobo and Isoko not speaking Edoid? What this one even saying?

Soon we will send Oyo and Ife people back to Benin republic.

As Benin Ado was only the place south Nigeria was identified as your Oyo was only found in Benin republic around 17th 18th century. I wonder why the British even give Yoruba power self after conquering Benin

Theplotter:
I would have just gone through this post without mentioning anybody, but i really need to mention you because you are exceedingly stupid.

First, you called Yoruba people useless people. Yoruba gave you your royalty, your Royal language, your art and civilization,yet you called them useless.

If Yoruba people are indeed useless, you would not take pride in giving Yoruba names to Edo children.

Yorubas are useless yet your people consult Ifa.

No, i don't think they are useless, i think you are.

With every post you make, you always try to spite the Yoruba people, infact, you intentionally create post that will tarnish Yoruba.

But here is the truth...

Your tribe can never be equal with Yoruba. Yorubas had set a great pace that non of your kind can match.

Talking about itsekiri kingship.

The Yoruba guy is king already, all this trash you are saying does not change a thing. What we will do, we will do.

When Yorubas are ready to deal with the likes of You who had betrayed the blood of Oduduwa which we generously gave to you, Benin would become completely irrelevant.

Without the Oba dynasty we have to you, you are just disgusting savages under the Ogisos. Oranmiyan civilized your ancestors and made you think like men, but today, you hate us.

But the truth is you can not shake is of.

We Yorubas own every inch of Benin.

And there is nothing you can do about it.
Nothing.....

You can't fight us because we are not your mate.

You can only beg us as your ancestors always do.

And you can never physically clash with any Yoruba clan.

We Yorubas colonized Benin and so, Benin is one of our many colonies.

Get that into your thick skull...

Ondo Ekiti Lagos think otherwise

Igbo was found in world map of 18th century.
In 17th century Igbo was identified as Ebo a tribe under the Benin kingdom in the world.

UGBE634:
it is unarguably the third force in Southern Nigeria. Itsekiri is yoruboid. Benin
Esan
Uneme
Isoko
Uhobo
Ora(Owan)
Okpe
Degema
Engenni
Oza
Ososo
Okpamheri
Epie-atissa

And also I have seen some yoruboid Binis who identify as Bini and can speak Bini, and they are from Ondo state. Irele local government to be precise. I met one with the surname Uwoghiren recently and he greets lavbieze. Down from and around the western bank of igboland down to and deep into the frontiers of eastern Yoruba land down to present day bayelsa and river state. You find Edo and Edoids language and cultures abound. Unarguably, the Edo and the Edoids are the third force in Southern Nigeria

Wich third force they are number 1

Tao11 bring Tunde map to be deceiving his fellow Yorubas here lol

AworiLagosian:
Wonderfu

The one you said ft Oni was documented by who?

Don’t tell me it tunde.

Actually this stuff is more better in abroad where the whole world can be seeing Benin culture but in here it will be forever be hidden as that great Benin kingdom has died now under the control of Nigeria

BKayy:
Unlike you lots, we know our territory although the presence of Ndigbo in those places cannot be overemphasised. Oshodi is technically Igbo settlement but we still respect ourselves.
Alaba was founded by an Igbo man but we still overlook such.

Ndigbo don't fancy claiming another person's land but if one is stupid enough to try it in Igboland, they will be clarified that we are not Yorubas.

The case of Lukumi will be settled whenever they become stubborn. You remember those Fulani settlements that was cleared in Ebonyi?
They are all older than the Lukumi settlements in Aniocha. So calculate.
They still know their grandparents houses in Ondo.

The case of Lukumi is a legacy of Western Region taken too far. There is nothing known as "indigenous Multiculturalism", don't think that you are discussing with fools.

If you want to claim indigenousb to a place, start by renaming it in your language. So far you haven't done that, you are just a noise maker. The Umuezechima that have risen recently to address the madness just woke up and believe me very soon you all will regret ever using your western region to create such impression.

It quite painful first time your tribe been mentioned recorded in world history was in 17th century your tribe being under the Benin kingdom and control.

Oh it really sad

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