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Baxilexi:
As the saying goes BRICS of the same feathers, flock together.

Exactly my point.

dequir:
Nothing sir. The account owner was delivered to them as requested.

Shikena.

GBAM!

The bank requested the presence of account owner and he brought the account owner to them. What did he do wrong?

If you're still wondering why South Africans support Muslim terrorists all over the world then you don't know what's happening.

Baxilexi:
Isreal used more than 200,000 bombs in Gaza, and some people bought the fake news that the US has run out of missiles.

Anyway, when this war is done the tactical ingenuity and superior weaponry applied/used to avoid minimal civilian casualties will be studied for decades.

Hegeseth said "We've got no shortage of munitions. Our stockpiles of defensive and offensive weapons allow us to sustain this campaign as long as we need to." . And people must understand that the US military is also keeping an eye on other enemies would try to take advantage of the situation. In brief, there are enough weapons to take on others.

That's why some people still don't understand why America is and will remain world power for a very long time. The US is not naive. They know some countries would love to see them burn their munitions, get overstretched, and come out weaker so rivals can test them elsewhere.

I've read a lot of fake talk on this Nairaland that America had “run out of missiles” simply because allies used huge volumes in another conflict. That's shallow analysis.
While these boju boju analysts count missiles from their keyboards, actual planners are thinking in years, production cycles, and strategic reserves.

Just felt like showing the most recent update for those who still believe the Mullahs are winning.

DeepSight:
Thank you, but my argument was simple and brief, namely that whatever is being gained in terms of the opening of the strait would not be something that didnt exist or wasn't already the case before the war was launched.

Simple. And indubitable. Iron cast.

As to the history, I only touched on it because it was becoming clear the school of thought you come from. That very one sided school which only sees things from a certain Western oriented lens only.

“Simple” and “iron cast” don’t make it true.
Your whole argument assumes an open strait under threats and coercion is the same as an open strait under deterrence and reduced leverage. And I'm saying it isn’t.

So yes, ships passing before and after can look the same on the surface, while the strategic reality is completely different.

And the “Western lens” line is tired. Some of us can criticise both the US and Iran. But in the case of Iran, some people suddenly become blind to intimidation, hostage politics, and years of using the strait as leverage. That selective outrage is the real bias.

DeepSight:
I am not Muslim. I am not even religious at all and I despise Abrahamic religions. All of them. Except whatever bit of them advocates love and brotherhood. Stop making assumptions.

Secondly I said the US blockage was a good tactical move in the circumstances. I am just pointing out that the entire circumstance is self inflicted to start with.

Of course you will not even avert your mind to the fact that this attack was launched in the middle of negotiations and it was the second time in less than a year that the US is doing that in the middle of negotiations.

Far be it from you to see that what the US is now trying to achieve is something they already had with the JCPOA which Trump tore up.

And oh no, it would be beyond you for us to delve into history and see what the US has done in Iran since the fifties before the Shah.

You’re not actually arguing the Strait anymore? You’re stacking grievances from every era and calling it one explanation. Is that it?

Ok, let’s separate it properly.
Yes, US–Iran history is messy. No one is denying that. But using the 1950s, the Shah, JCPOA, and present negotiations as one continuous moral blame chain doesn’t answer the current question. It just avoids it.

On JCPOA: it was a deal, not a permanent peace certificate. Even under it, there were disputes over compliance, regional activity, and verification limits. So saying “they already had it” is not accurate. They had a conditional, contested arrangement, not a final settlement.

On negotiations being “interrupted”...swell point, but you’re acting like this is unique to the US. In reality, international negotiations are constantly shaped by pressure, positioning, and signalling from all sides.

That’s how leverage works. It has never been not a polite classroom discussion lol!

And most importantly, none of that changes the fact that the Strait issue is about control and deterrence in real time, not historical blame scoring.

If your entire argument only works by zooming out so far that present actions become invisible, then you’re not critiquing policy, then you’re just dissolving responsibility into history until nothing can be analysed anymore.

DeepSight:
In the circumstances it was a good move - in the circumstances - it is just important to keep in view the fact that those circumstances were created by the unnecessary and thoughtless attack on Iran. And what is being gained - if anything - is no more than what already existed before that stupid move.

Since you are talking about sides, what about your side? Your mantra is simply the thoughtless praise of anything Trump does even if its a fart.

Loolz!! That “Trump fart” line is exactly the level of argument I expected once logic runs out.
But let’s stay on facts, not vibes.

If you believe Iran’s behaviour in the Strait was just peaceful “status quo,” then you’re basically asking everyone else to ignore seizures, threats, and repeated military posturing just because it didn’t inconvenience your narrative.

And no, nobody is saying “Trump can do no wrong.” That’s just a lazy strawman when you can’t actually challenge the point being made.
You don’t have to like US policy, but calling every counter-move “thoughtless” while pretending Iran was harmless before it all started isn’t analysis. It’s bias with attitude. Not that I expected better from a "moderate Muslim". Smh

RandDigital:
Allegedly killed by law enforcement officers (military and metro cops). This is hardly xenophobic violence. Are Nigerians going to ask the relevant questions as to the circumstances that led to this or automatically conclude it's xenophobic attacks?

Even if it’s “law enforcement,” that doesn’t automatically settle anything. People dying in YOUR custody or after arrest still raises serious questions that can’t just be waved off.

And “it’s not xenophobia” isn’t a get-out-of-jail-free card for accountability. If there’s any abuse of power, it still has to be fully investigated and explained.

At the same time, let’s stick to facts and due process.Bottom line: African lives shouldn’t need debates or labels before they’re treated with dignity and proper accountability.

DeepSight:
You are just looking for excuses. The reality is that they are trying to solve a problem that didn't exist prior to the war and they will seek to pat themselves on the back for doing nothing. For bringing back the status quo ante bellum.

Of course you’d call it “doing nothing” because your side only notices action when Iran is allowed to posture unchecked.

Before the war, the strait was “open” the same way a road is open when armed touts stand there threatening drivers anytime they like. Ships passed but under constant blackmail, seizures, and intimidation.

If after all this Iran learns it cannot keep using the strait as a hostage tool, then plenty has changed.

But I understand why that bothers some people. When you’re used to blaming Israel and America for everything, any move that exposes Iran’s bluff will always look like “nothing” to you.

This is why many of us reject South Africa’s constant excuses. Immigration issues do not justify barbaric killings of fellow Africans.
Beating people to death or having them die in custody is not law enforcement, it is brutality.
South Africa should be ashamed that it is becoming known for hostility, profiling, and killing fellow Africans. Should we carve them out instead?
Enough excuses. Enough scapegoating. Human lives are not cheap.

Stop spamming the mumu thread you opened yourself.

DeepSight:
Just remember that before this war the strait was open. So if you achieve the strait being open after the war, you really have to ask what has changed.

The strait being open before the war is not the same as the strait being secure.
Before the conflict, it was open under constant threats, blackmail, harassment of shipping, and Iran using closure threats as leverage whenever it wanted attention. “Open” on paper does not mean stable in reality.
If after the war the strait is open without Iran being able to hold global trade hostage whenever it feels like it, then a lot has changed.
That’s like saying a shop door was open before police removed the armed men standing at the entrance. Yes, the door was open before, but the conditions around it were completely different.

Lionessza6:
Let me be clear: I never excused attacks on anyone. Violence against migrants or is wrong, full stop. But pretending that people’s frustrations came from nowhere is also not honest.

For years, communities have raised concerns about illegal immigration and asked the government to enforce its own laws properly. When those concerns are ignored repeatedly, frustration grows. That does not justify violence....but it does explain why ordinary people feel like they are being forced to play the role of immigration officers when the state fails to act.

The real question still remains: why are other African governments not engaging directly with the South African government to resolve this issue once and for all? Why keep issuing statements about xenophobia after every incident instead of addressing the policy and enforcement gaps that keep triggering the same cycle?

And bringing unemployment, crime, and inequality into this discussion as if they are excuses being used by citizens is missing the point. South Africans are not blaming migrants for everything. They are asking why immigration enforcement is inconsistent while communities continue raising the same concerns year after year without resolution.

Another honest question also needs to be asked: why are countries that did not experience the same economic destruction and structural inequality caused by apartheid still so dependent on a single country like South Africa more than 60 years after their own independence?

South Africa, like many industrialised economies today, is facing economic decline, unemployment, infrastructure strain, and serious internal challenges of its own. So why is the burden of absorbing migration pressures expected to fall disproportionately on one country?

This is not about rejecting fellow Africans. It is about shared responsibility and leadership across the continent. If African governments do not address this issue together and directly with the South African government, then in a few months we will be having this same conversation again, with the same reactions and no real solution.

Let me also be clear: “frustration explains it” is the same language people everywhere use when they want to sanitize violence without owning it. Many societies face pressure, unemployment, weak borders, and government failure. Not many answer with mobs targeting poor foreigners.

No one denies South Africa has the right to enforce immigration laws. Enforce them properly. Arrest overstayers where necessary. Strengthen borders. Fix documentation systems. That is the job of the state. But when citizens assault migrants, loot businesses, and hunt people by accent or nationality, that is not “communities filling a vacuum.” That is criminality.

You ask why other African governments are not engaging South Africa directly. Fine question. They should engage. They should also create opportunities at home so fewer citizens leave. But another honest question: why is anger often directed at street traders and workers instead of corrupt politicians, failing municipalities, organised crime networks, and elites who actually damage the economy?

And please stop presenting South Africa as carrying Africa on its back. Migrants also work, pay rent, create businesses, employ people, and contribute skills. Many do jobs locals avoid or sectors that need labour. Migration can create pressure, yes...but it is not a one-way burden narrative.

The continent needs shared responsibility, agreed. But shared responsibility starts with shared humanity. If every problem becomes an excuse to target fellow Africans, then the issue is bigger than immigration policy. It is leadership failure and moral failure.

And there it is!

Same people acting like pressure wouldn’t work are now watching Iran come back to the table.

When there was no serious leverage, Iran was being stubborn. The moment the blockade started biting, suddenly it’s “let’s reopen the strait” and “let’s end the war.”
That’s how negotiations usually work. Strength creates urgency.

People mocked the US approach, but now the same pressure they criticized is what pushed Iran to make concessions. Turns out hot air only lasts until real consequences arrive.

Lionessza6:
Here is a conversation Africa rarely entertains:

Ask yourselves this: why aren’t other African governments directly engaging the South African government and urging it to enforce its immigration laws properly, so that citizens do not feel compelled to take matters into their own hands?

Instead, they continue issuing the same statements: “the perpetrators must be arrested,” “end xenophobia,” and similar responses....while knowing very well that the South African government faces political risks, especially during election periods.

So why are the rest of Africa’s political leaders not addressing the South African government directly on this issue?

And why does the African Union appear so powerless in this situation? Or is there a deeper concern...that many governments fear what might happen if South Africa fully implements its immigration laws instead of allowing the burden to fall on ordinary, vulnerable people?

Political theatrics like Ghana summoning diplomats will not change anything. In the next four to six months, there will likely be another episode followed by the same reactions again. As long as the real conversation continues to be avoided, this situation will not stop. 🤞

Funny how you always find energy to lecture Africa about immigration, but never the courage to condemn South Africans who burn shops, assault migrants, and kill fellow Africans. That silence says a lot.

No country is forced to tolerate illegal immigration, but no sane society uses mobs and machetes as immigration policy. If your concern was truly law and order, you would be demanding lawful enforcement, not excusing barbarity after every attack.

And while you blame foreigners, maybe ask why one of Africa’s most developed countries still cannot solve unemployment, crime, and inequality without scapegoating vulnerable Africans.

Other African governments should build their nations better, yes. But your people attacking fellow Africans is a shameful choice, not an unavoidable reaction. Stop dressing violence up as patriotism.

I think it now makes sense to me why South Africans strongly support Islamic terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi rebels.
Blood is thicker than water.

Even their so-called security personnel joined in the attack. South Africans are animals.

The planted "bullethole in the door" is just the excuse they needed to term it "caught in the crossfire".

DomPerignon:
Did they complain to you?

Iran has been on crippling economic and financial sanctions for 50ys now but they still took out both little Satan (Israel) and big Satan (America).

Ayatollah didn't have a chance to bleat "Allahu Snackbar!" before he was blown to shreds. They're still looking for his nose.

Baxilexi:
We forget easily. The US asked other countries to come open the strait, negotiate with the IRGC, some people on nairaland laughed and said the US was begging out of weakness.
The UK was busy having English lessons, France was busy taking cheap shots of vilification.

Trump gets pissed and shows everyone that the IRGC is filled with hot air and closes the strait. Now no one can make a sound. He gave them a chance and they blew it. Listening to fake analysts talk about the US being at its wits end.

Exactly! Some people mistake restraint for weakness every single time.

When the US first called for allies to help secure the strait, many loud Nairaland “analysts” and terror sympathisers mocked it as begging. They thought patience meant America had run out of options. Many clowns chanted "Iran is winning! Iran is winning!!"

Now stronger action is taken and suddenly they're quiet.

That is the problem with fake analysts, especially on Nairaland, they celebrate diplomacy as weakness, then cry foul when hard power enters the chat.