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Igboid:
Haven't you already done that?
The record that showed that Ijaws lived close to the Sobous (Isoko and Urhobo) and from there terrorized Rivers in Western and Eastern coasts of Southern Nigeria?

No where there was Ijaw presence in Bonny was mentioned.

That was Captain Pereira's account and it's just one of them.

Putindbutt:
The screenshot was just a snippet but a more interesting focus on the phonology and orthography of the Ibani dialect.
Rodger Blench enriches his work with older documentations, citations and a more careful examination of ibani dialect. I posted the pdf to rationalize Baikie's counting system in ibani.

Having established that the ancient kingdom is founded by ibani-ijos, the palace language is ibani and the titles is Amanayabo. The local politics is also controlled by the ibani-ijos.
I knew ibos would be quick to dismiss it but neglecting the import of it. That's why their energies is more focused on winning an academic argument and downplaying earlier records and current realities of Bonny.

The funniest part is ibos denying being "settled" slaves in Bonny. Who supplied the highest number of human slaves than the ibos?

They'd always discredit it so long as it isn't Crow's account.

I have some literature from the Dutch,French and Portuguese and would unleash at the appropriate time.

I've been trying to download "A Voyage to New Calabar River in the Year 1699" by James Barbot 1699.I only have access to snippets.That has some key information.

Igboid:
Well atleast JANK23H is an Ijaw man from Bayelsa.
I checked his history already.


I guess we can now expect Alabo to rest that Moniker and log into another moniker to continue his mischief where he stopped.

The Afonja in him will never allow him leave this "Omo Ibo" thread.

Good job Sherlock Holmes!

9Pluto:
Can you post exactly what you want us to see here?
I do not rate wikipedia for obvious reasons, however I have gone to the page you posted and I don't know whatr you were trying to show us.

I've done that severally on this thread.

SlayerForever:
His accounts are okay. But questionable. Many latter voyagers and scholars suggested his reports brought about more questions that answers on later review. I think Pereira didnt investugate deeply.

Please show the negative reviews from other voyagers and scholars.

9Pluto:
whose account.

Please post it here.
There is something I also want to say when you guys claim centuries before 1800, but I won't say it here. I want to say it in a live debate.

Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower Guinea Coastlands in His "Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis,"

1508 actually

9Pluto:
okay. So you which of the ijaw are you so we can remind you when you forget?

You can keep it in your records if you so wish.

I'm from Sagbama LGA in Bayelsa.

9Pluto:
Error!!! The oldest account here is 1800

No...1548

9Pluto:
Maybe because they are not really ijaw according to this map. What do you think?

They are. He has said something like that if you go through his post on this thread.

Alagoa the one you Igbos hate so much is from Nembe.

These are things about Ijaws you don't know.

Ekealterego:
LOL. They always shoot theirself on the foot.
I knew their writing style was fairly better than what the Ijaws here could muster. You could tell the difference. Yet they were struggling so badly.

The other one ROBWhatever, was caught, he had claimed Bayelsa, Opobo and Bonny in the space of a few day.

It is a shame no ijaw man can come up with one document for days now.. They even had to employ mercenaries.

I'm Ijaw. Full fledged

No shaking.

Igboid:
He isn't.
He clearly stated that he is an Oduduwa child.

And I am beginning to suspect you might be one too.

No he is.

Nembe/Brass and some Kalabaris see themselves as superiors to other Ijaw clans,and to spite sometimes they identify themselves by their clans instead.

If you take that too seriously and you attack some other Ijaws,then they'll show you they are Ijaws.

Other clans regard them as arrogant and full of themselves.

9Pluto:
Please, don't be unfortunate.

Lol...

Don't worry just leave that part.

9Pluto:
But you have been posturing as ijaw here. Did you mistakenly forget your tribe?

He is and from Nembe.

I understand what he means when he says he isn't Ijaw.We understand what we mean.

Igboid:
This document is referencing a 1969 material.
Why should we take it serious?
They were adding conjectures to Koller account and passing it off dubiously as facts.

Have you read the entire Koller's account or just excerpts?

Or it becomes conjectures when it doesn't suit you.

Putindbutt:
During the slave trade in the 19th century, there was a heavy presence of Igbo slaves from the Igbo hinterland.
Further injection of Igbo people, culture and language came after the slave trade was abolished and all the captured slaves brought recently from Igbo land to Opobo and Bonny to be sold couldn't be sold off again, then the Igbo slaves SETTLED then there AMONG the Ijaw natives. The proportion of the Igbo people to the Ijaw was highly significant in both areas that Igbo language became the common spoken language. In addition, the Igbo language was spoken as a second language by all the minorities living along the Niger Delta and was used as a common means of communication with the Igbo people from the hinterlands.
After the Igbo slaves settled there, it was noted that the natives refused to teach their language to the Igbo people and outsiders but rather they reserved it as a secret language instead. This factor led to the heavy decline in the usage of Ibani in Bonny, the total death of the Language in the Opobo area and the pervasive usage of Igbo language in both areas. When the christian missionaries landed in Bonny, note that the natives did not present Ibani to the missionaries but they presented Igbo as their language instead.
This history is clearly captured in the work of Roger Blench of which a snapshot image of his pdf book is shown below. The full PDF material can also be downloaded here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rogerblench.info%2FLanguage%2FNiger-Congo%2FIjoid%2FIbani%2FIbani-English%2520dictionary.pdf&ei=9a12UZqsGISMO8SqgMAD&usg=AFQjCNFwak52P0FClDB2M4XeYRy4X0Vseg&sig2=xjJrI-zJS26YVTz8QNqe9Q



cc: JANK23H Alabo7978

I have alluded to this on several occasions.

When the lazy British came,rather than do a thorough investigation coupled with bias,the likes of Crow described Bonny as an Igbo town.

Of course,if he approached a slave and asked his origin, he would have been told him Igbo.

Therein lies my grouse.Igbos initially dismissed the presence of Ijo in Bonny,until earlier accounts were produced.

ThickSharon123:
Chisus, point of correction, I have an iGbo man in my life. In fact till when I started having high hormones, the only men that have dated me are Igbos. Even God would testify.

I don't see any lesiure in others. I'm not tribalistic in any way, the stuff is Igbo men are responsible, family conscious, they know the art of taking care of a woman, and making her feel at home.

So this one you're saying hustle go click. I don't hustle with my skirts up. I make 1000 dollars , not naira in a month. And I rather support my man than being a leach.

That's what my mom trained me to do.

Ok....

Let's go back to fighting over Bonny.Too much information.

Igboid:
All Ijaw colonialization of people coasts starts from setting camps first and foremost.

Then they start pirate activities to ward off the in dwelling camps from coming close to the coasts.
Then they slowly start building shanties in lands close to the coasts. This is the stage at which they give the settlement a name.

Then now start marrying women from the owners of the land they hijacked their coasts, they multiply quickly and soon they start receiving more of their people from their homeland who come in droves to the the colony.

This is how it happened every where Ijaws occupied the coastline.

The Yorubas nipped it at pirate stage in Lagos and stopped it at expansion stage in Ondo.

Gabonese territorial tribes understand the game well too.

The Akwaibom tribes seem to not understand this game as well, because Ijaw presence has been on the rise in Ibeno and Eastern Obolo in the past decades.

That's what your head tells you.Since you are happy with it...fine.

Ekealterego:
What does it matter.
Her mum is Aro, so she is automatically, Adamazi.

Calm down guy

ThickSharon123:
Igbo men or nothing. All others are counterfeit. ... Or do you want me to suffer

Now I understand.

Don't worry your hustle go click.

Igboid:
Ijaws know nothing.

You were simply shown your place by Gabonese tribes who themselves are very territorial and non accommodating.

If they gave you an inch in those their water fronts, it would have been a different story today. You would have immediately set up camps there immediately start naming the coastal lands after your local names , looked for smaller tribes to annex and start making Aboriginal claims in a matter of a century.

They set up camps na and never claimed to be indigenes.

ThickSharon123:
My mom is Igbo so?? And my family are matrimonial. I love my Igbo mum, and her people who are all Igbos adore me. So, I don't get your headache. Silly.

Are you by chance hoping to get chyked by an Igbo guy here?

Igboid:
They are not Indigenes because the Gabonese tribes were wise and were quickly on your case immediately you showed up in their coasts.
If they had allowed you to settle, in 50yrs you will start springing up your villages everywhere and in 100years you would be Indigenes.

Ijaws always know their place.Dem no dey do pass their selves.They migrated there and still make contact with their families back home till date.

An Ijaw will only react if you attack him first, otherwise he'll remain at his coast and do his fishing.

If they are as ambitious as most of you say,you won't find them mostly along the coast or rivers.They would sojourn inland and dominate.

ThickSharon123:
This one you are calling Alexballs like this, how are you sure he isn't as ignorant as you.

And I didn't say Ijaaws are not living harmoniously with their neighbours. They know Yoruba's right, they don't take nosense, one issue with them, and they'll be cutting you people one by one.

If they were so accommodating in the past, I'm sure most of your people would pack there and call it Ijaw Republic and Yoruba took the land by their Oni kankafo who destablized the King of Swami Okololooman Illage but these your names are sweet oo..

For people in Ghana we hardly know Ijaw people. This one everyone here is pushing you to our side, if they know what you people are, I'm sure they'll deny anything to do with you people.

You are even Ghanaian sef.

I've been wasting my time

ThickSharon123:
Ashi!!!! Chineke !!!


You claim you own all the coast and lived in the waters. Did your forefathers hate the Yoruba waters, why did you guys find home in the eastern waters? Ask yourself this question.

Yoruba's used hard hand on you people and curtialed you people. If not, if you knew Yoruba's were accommodating you people, you people would have packed there in large numbers. But the east were accommodating and accepted you people, and you claimed and claimed and claimed

Chai, but it would stop soon, you people would find your place. With the facts given, there'll be Igbo renaissance in Bonny and Opobo, I'm sure of.

The internet would keep the facts till eternity.

They are still there living in peace with their Ilaje neighbours.Everyone knows their boundaries.Yoruba know theirs,the Ijaws know theirs.

You need to do some reading you hear.Don't let Igboid and co 'whine' you o.AlexBells has done his and he is a happy man now.

Be like AlexBells

ThickSharon123:
The facts are there, you'll see. Tell Slayforever, or Ekealterego, or 9pluto and they'll dig it for you.

You dig it yourself and show me.I've asked and nobody responded.Just an excerpt of the Nigeria army and Biafra fighting in Bonny.

ThickSharon123:
I'm talking about large numbers. Let me tell you something. Do you know it was just last year I knew Ijaws were in Ondo. And they don't give you people chance to represent in anything. Sowwore tried to find his path himself. They don't even want to associate with them, that's why Ijaws are turning to Yoruba speedily there.

And this year I knew they were in Lagos, but in very small numbers. Perhaps, Yorubas dcut your population, becuase they didn't want these issues. Becuase you people can be counted there, a sultry sum of 20,000-100,000

The majority will always dominate the minority.

Ijaws are minority in Ondo,but that's not the reason they are almost "Yorubanized".Ijaws tend to bear the names of the location they were born,learn the language and blend in.

ThickSharon123:
Ijaw is a fraud. They've also given you people facts that you were in the sea, lived in the sea. So now, tell me, how would Igbo be at the fringes...Oh, sorry, you mean at the coast? And you guys were at the sea. That's plausible.

You guys never owned land. Opobo and Bonny are meant to dislike you people the minute they know what Boro did to their kind, perhaps there was a time you sneakily asked for reconciliation and began to cleanse their language from them.

But the Chi of all Igbos are strong. They stuck to their language till the end of time, and you Ijaws aren't getting it.

What did Boro do?

9Pluto:
There have been confirmed ijaw presence in Ondo state(consistent with their presence in most of the maps). However, there are more recent ijaw claims of owning the whole coast of rivers state, part of Akwa/Cross and now Gabon. They are now claiming Obolo kinship.

My friend said there are now parts of Akwa-ibom he cannot venture into as a native because of ijaws. That is why what we are doing here is important.

Meanwhile do not bring what Buhari said here, because both of us know he is ignorant. Someone talking about Western Germany in 2014/15 is not so bright. Besides, most northerners are not so informed about the south and the reverse is also the case. I had northern friends who would never agree that Jonathan was not igbo.
As per Ikwerre denials, for every Wike there are several Amaechi or Obi Wali. But asides this things if you are really well travelled and you understand Nigeria properly, you do not need to be told who is who.

Please, can you confirm if oja is part of ijaw musical instruments?

No it's not part of the Ijaw musical instruments.

There are Ijaw migrant camps in Gabon and Cameroon.They aren't Indegenes.In Gabon, government policies have forced them hinterland and been absorbed by indigenous tribes.

I remember my dad and grandad used to tell me stories of how they would go fishing from my village in Sagbama to Gabon.It's actually very close by sea,like their backyard.They'd paddle all the way and back.

The first migration to Gabon was in the early 20s forming Kala(small) fishing ports.

Alabo7978:
that guy na ogbori.

confirm ogbori.

Confirmed one!

That West African Dwarf type.

ThickSharon123:
I didn't say they weren't Ijaws in ondo, but they are lucky they didn't tell you people to come the more and interrelate with them and inter marry with them. If not, they for hear word!!! perhaps the Yoruba's had foreseen this through their Ifa, that's why they refused even though Ijaw people claimed you'll supply good fishes for them if they give you big land to settle.


And for the sea part, Igbo land has Akwa Ibom and the delectable Cross River. Who are willing to stay with their brothers no matter the upheavels. That's why Igbo loves them.

And if we are both together, living harmoniously as it's going to be done, you'll see development. And Ijaws would be biting their teeth in Niger Delta Republic, begging the Biafran government to count them in. But it would be too late

My spirit just say make I ask you your age that time,I wasn't wrong.

Ijaws and Yorubas inter marry.Infact,the Ijaws bear Yorubas names.If you weren't told,you won't know they are Ijaws,and they speak Yoruba fluently.

ThickSharon123:
I believe Ijaws are grabbing this or taking advantage of Opobo and Bonny because they desire to take the full power of the coast. I assure you if there was no crude oil or sea that people use to trade, you'll see Ijaw calling them Igbo people.

They want to ask over all the coast from Lagos to Opobo, perhaps they'll move to Akwa Ibom soon, and begin to take a weak part of their family to take advantage on and begin to tell them stories from hell that they are Ijaw and Ibibio stole their land from them. .

We all know, but the funny part of it all is, if you have all the coastal waters what do you do with it, except you want to be collecting surcharge from we are the hinterland. Why? It doesn't make sense. I believe that's Ijaws main motive.

Lagos and Ondo had luck that they didn't bring Ijaws in, in their lands or they weren't close to them, if not Yoruba's would have been having this stress.

Can I shock you?

Hold your breath.....

There are Ijaws in Ondo.

That appellation "a dot in a circle" from Buhari wasn't a blurt. The Igbos know that too and are trying so hard to get access to the sea.If Biafra comes without direct sea access, Dem go see shege for Nigeria hand.

Why aren't Igbo as desperate for Ika and Ekwerre.Ask yourself.Unless you are naive,you should know the agenda.

ThickSharon123:
I believe all those connectOpobo and all on Facebook are mostly Bayelsa platforms with few Opobo and Bonny that are lost and don't know what you guys are talking about.

Most of them are Ijaws who make a group to grab, that has been your way. If Igbos do their own you'll call them grabbers like you people.
You people should be authentic. And the funny part of it all, most of the videos on that group are Bonny and Opobo people speaking unadulterated Igbo. No Ijaw.

Then you'll see the Ijaws saying, 'I love my Opobo people"

You love your Opobo people!!! Can you understand the blatty on what they are talking there? No, but they love their Opobo language.

Isn't that the height of silliness

How old are you?