₦airaland Forum

Igboid:
Through the memoirs of Captain Crow, we know that Aros not only conducted the Efik founders of New Calabar, but settled among them and ruled them as kings.
See receipt below. Captain Crow noted that the majority of the inhabitants of New Calabar and Bonny as of that point in time were on the majority Igbos, the kings of Bonny and New Calabar were of Igbo origin too.

Also, Asari Dokubo admitted that his great grandfather was of Abam( Aro) origin and ruled Buguma!

Igboid:
Yes I saw it, the Portuguese ship part.

Could that be the confirmation of what we have always suspected, which is that Ijaws are truly descendants of ship porters from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana,Togo and other coastal West Africa, who accompanied the Portuguese ships to our shores?

I remember Dede1 (Deridegul) kept hitting on this link between Ijaw sudden appearance in Southern Nigeria and the appearance of Portuguese slave ships!

Igboid:
Nope.
But it was stated that Aros accompanied them from old Calabar to their current location.
So we know that they had Igbo components right from the beginning, even before they had contacts with Ijaws.
Captain Crow confirmed that the King of New Calabar was of Igbo origin.
You can't rule a people if you don't settle amongst them.

The whole point is that New Calabar is a hybrid group, and in the future, Ndiigbo will never accept them being annexed by Ijaws.
We will insist they remain as an independent nation connecting the Igbos, Ibibios (Efik) and Ijaws as they use to be in the old Eastern region before the unfortunate events of 1967-70, and not claimed by Ijaws single handedly as has been the case since after 1970.

ebufa:
Ijaw you have subscribed to 10 years of online scourging by the indefatigable Igbo race! meanwhile, on the streets we have you surrounded and encircled, bros go and consult your map! The sins of the civil war and the abandoned property issue is a long bone Ijaws will never be able to swallow, you and your generation will carry the guilt on your heads like gala! so take a chill pill and let peace reign......the incoming Igbo hegemony in the eastern region will be a humane one and progress will be for all, if jo men 'tooth filers' no like am, you can paddle your canoes back to Bayelsa from whence you came!

Igboid:
Where is the source of it's information that Kalabari is Ijaw coming from?
Did it take cognizance of earlier studies made when Kalabari was still at its early stages and even had an Igbo king as observed by Captain Crow and Arthur Glynn?
New Calabar aka Kalabari has three sources of Origin.

1. Efik, who are the true and first Aboriginals who left old Calabar to form New Calabar that became Ijawnized by later Ijaw migrants to Kalabari.

2. The Igbos, mainly of Aro and their Abam, Ohafia, Edda accomplices who accompanied the Efiks from old Duke town in Old Calabar to establish New Calabar (Kalabari) in its current location.

3. The expansionist Ijaws who were late arrivals but were cultural genocidal in nature which helped them wipe off the language of the earliest Efik and Igbos who formed New Calabar.

What the stupid article on the journal did was ignore the other two original roots of New Calabar by simply looking at the dominant Ijaw part of New Calabar.
It's a poorly researched journal.

SlayerForever:
No Ijaw boatmen can paddle boats 48 hours without food. Their naval prowess was only identified in relation to maritime banditry.

Igboid:
Here is an authentic history of New Calabar (Kalabari) written by Arthur Glynn in.

We know for a fact that New Calabar are originally Efik people who migrated from old Calabar and were accompanied by the Igbos(Aros) who became part of them, to their current location.

New Calabar later on welcomed too many Ijaw elements.

So in essence, they are a mixed people composing of Efik(Ibibiod), Igbo and finally as always, the latecomers Ijaws who overwhelmed the other two groups and made their own Ijaw Language the dominant language of the area, just as they have struggled to do in Bonny and Opobo but have failed woefully.

Vintagepipes:
....@slayerforever @Igboid @Bkayy @Ofoigbo @9pluto

..... Igbo navigation power on the sea and rivers of Igbos

..........@ekealterego Task done

........So, the point, Igbos were also good on the waters.

Igboid:
Nope.
We can't accept politically motivated historical distortions of 1960s that are not in agreement with earlier neutral accounts collected at an apolitical era.

Igboid:
Right.
Another 1960s book.

BKayy:
You just like writing nonsense.
When did Kalabari turn to Ijaw? Have you forgotten Boma of BBNaija that also confirmed that Kalabari being referred to as Ijaw is fallacy on national TV?

Maybe your stupidity is not yet cleared because you still call the place "Kalabari" which is a corrupted form of "New Calabar".
The real name of the place is "BOM" go and ask their Elders.

I am happy that you are the one that decided to expose the alien nature of Ijaw in between one Igbo clan of Oguta (Ugwu-nta) , Kalabari (Bom) etc.
I remember when we showed you people "Ụmụ Okirika" in Imo State and you were shocked. Atleast the breeze of truth now blows from all sides including you aliens.

cc SlayerForever, Ekealterego, Igboid

Igboid:
Alua, nua, etc, are Igbo greetings Ijaw copied.
These greetings are used as far as Nsukka at the border of Igbo and Igala.
And the Ika at the border of Igbo and Bini/Esan.

They have nothing to do with Ijaws, rather the Ijaws copied them from their Oru/Olu Igbo neighbors, some of who they have assimilated and Ijawnized.

Anyone that grew up in Enugu in the early 2000s will know of a radio station on ESBS Enugu by Nsukka people called "Nsukka Alua".

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281498706_Local_Dialect_Radio_Programmes_Rural_Development_and_Social_Integration_The_Case_of_Nsukka_Alua_Radio_Nigeria_Enugu_Programme

SlayerForever:
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Bro this is absolute rubbish.

SlayerForever:
On scholarly validity and admissibility the memoir is superior

SlayerForever:
That's how Ijaw towns are named. But Igbo towns have a dominant Ma suffix in their town names too. So automatically your position is debatable.

SlayerForever:
The name is Okoloma not Okoloama.

Alabo7978:
Lol, but wait a minute, why is no one talking about the Oru-igbo and why they greet in an ijoid Language?
Putindbut JANK23H robbstark look how Igboid SlayerForever etc avoided that one.

Oru-igbo nua o!!!

Igboid:
Nope.
On Bonny he said "perhaps". He was guessing, he didn't get his info from the Bonny chiefs, neither was there any scientific method to it.
That's why being a honorable researcher, he used "perhaps".
And yes! His guess was dead wrong and we know it. How!
Because we have earlier researchers who were not doing guess work on Bonny, but we're rather collecting stories from the chiefs and kings and recorded them.
Why should any sensible person leave a solid work by Glynn and Baike on Bonny and be holding unto a guess work made in passing about Bonny by Talbot?
Yeah, someone desperate enough like Ijaws.

Captain Pereira never at any point said that Ijaws were Aboriginals to Bonny.
He noted the presence of savage Jos men in the rivers around Bonny.

Putindbutt:
Gbam! This was the same Talbot he was priding called them "great" earlier but has suddenly become irrational. You see how their sentiments swings to wherever that trips their egos

Igboid:
If only it were that easy.
A guess work based on wrong logic is no match to an archeological evidence based on a scientific evidence like carbon dating.
That's for sure!

Igboid:
Carbon dating is more solid than a guess work based on irrational premise by Talbot.
That is sure!

Kay Williamson is a modern day distortion champion unleashed in 1969 to doctor alot of history of Igbo people in the Niger Delta.

Her works was influenced by British politics and economic interest ie how to get Igbos off the crude oil of Niger Delta.

I would take her work with a pinch of salt and would rather hold unto earlier non biased works of Baike, Glynn, and Captain Crow that were strictly about understanding the anthropology of the area they intended to exploit, with no innate ambitions of historical distortions.

Shiver99:
And yet Haiti was dominated by African slaves and you didn't have even mullatoes claiming to be black.

Much of the Roman empire was dominated by white slaves from the North of Rome, you didn't have any Romans claiming to be white.

Much of Mediterranean Morroco and Algeria was also dominated by white slaves, you didn't have the local Eurasian-Arab folk claiming to be European.

For a significant part of the slave trade, there were more slaves being imported into Igboland, than being exported. Yet you didn't see any Igbos claiming to be minority slaves.

In all these cases, even when the slaves outnumbered the locals 4:1, the slaves were still forced to submit to the local culture and language.

Yes, it's only in dubious Niger-delta history, where an entire group including all of its elite and ruling class, is forced to adopt the language, culture and even ancestral stories of the enslaved.

Igboid:
Here is evidence of Igbo antiquity.
Real scientific and archeological evidence.
Not an erroneous guess by Talbot whose guess was based on the wrong premise that since Ijaws never met Igbos on their migration to their current location, they must therefore have been no Igbos when they first came.

Without recognizing the fact that Ijaws were late aliens who came from the high sea to the area.

Igboid:
Kay Williamson was a British agent that worked alongside Alagoa to distort Igbo history in 1960s during and after the civil war.
Either way, if she has any archeological work to prove that Ijaws were more ancient than Ndiigbo, like we have with Igbo ukwu artifacts and Lejja iron works, post them here let me see.
I don't take her publications serious.
I'd rather stick to earlier works done before the British had crude oil interests in Eastern region! As far as history and origin of Bonny and Opobo are concerned.

Meanwhile Lejja iron work site was dated around 2000BCE!
That's how old Ndiigbo are.
You have to be that old to have Igbo population.
No way in hell Ijaw is the oldest ethnic group in southern Nigeria.
There is no archeological evidence for such funny claim. Talbot that first made that claim knew he had no evidence, hence the use of "Perhaps" to indicate he was guessing.

I had already shown why Talbot hypothesis even without the him having the advantage of having Igbo Ukwu and Lejja iron age Advantage was horribly wrong.

Talbot never took cognizant the possibility that Ijaw being a sea faring people didn't need to come to the region from a Northern direction, they came from Atlantic direction!
He naively based his guess on Ijaw having no history of meeting Igbo while migrating from the North, and so could have come to their location at a point the Igbos were not yet in existence and hence didn't need to pass through the Igbo.
Rather than acknowledge that Ijaw Language being totally divergent from Ibibio,Igbo, Yoruba and Edo Aboriginals of Southern Nigeria as evidence of their alien nature and recent migration into the region, he mistakenly assumed it's a sign of their antiquity.
His first error led to the second error.
Either way, he was guessing and has no archeological evidence to prove it. But even then, his logic was flawed. A better logic could have helped him arrive at a better conclusion closer to the fact that archeology has proven today.

Igboid:
It's Okoloma.
Not Okoloama.
And it has no meaning in Ijaw.
It's an Igbo word!

Igboid:
Basden at no point asked of Bonny origin from Bonny chiefs!
He assumed that because Igbo slaves dominated the town, they must have influenced the non existent non Igbos there.

Well we know he is wrong.
Because through the well researched works of Baike and Glynn, even Talbot ( who quoted Captain Crow as well), we have a direct documented oral history of Bonny and the list of their early kings and we know they were all Igbo!

Igboid:
Nope!
Glynn , Baike, Crow notes on Bonny origin were not perhaps.
They were gotten direct from the natives!

Talbot made an erroneous suggestion that Ijaw by the virtue of not having migrated from further North and being totally divergent from Ibibio, Edo, Ibibio, Yoruba and Igbos who form continuum in terms of relationship, must have been the most Ancient of all the groups.

This is a wrong guess. Because Talbot never considered the fact that Ijaws were late arrivals in the area who didn't need to have come from Northern direction, since they were "boat people" who paddled from somewhere around Ghana-Togo to the Niger Delta.

Talbot was making a guess, hence the use of "Perhaps".
And it's a wrong and irrational guess because he closed his mind off from the possibility of Ijaws migrating through sea to the area. He based his guess solely on Ijaw not migrating from a Northern direction and hence should have been in their current southern location before all other southern groups.
Nothing else could be farther from the truth.
Only Igbo Ukwu artifacts shows that Igbos are scientifically older than Ijaws, and we have not even talked about Lejje iron ores.

Igboid:
Basden mission was never on the origin of Bonny.
Basden never interviewed his so called Bonny chiefs to ask them of their Origin,if he did , perhaps he would have gotten the same history of migration from Igboland through Azumini creeks, like Talbot and Captain and Arthur Glynn and Baike all got!
He was writing on assumptions, just as he assumed that because Ijaws stuck out like aliens they are in the Southern NIGERIA, that they must have been the most Ancient since they don't have history of origin from the North, when a better hypothesis would have been that they were early arrivals who came through the seas to the Niger Delta, at a time the Edoid, Igboids, Ibibiods and Yoruboid had already taken position.

Meanwhile, here is what Talbot said about Bonny.
Of course, he had to requote Captain Crow.

Igboid:
Basden mission was never on the origin of Bonny.
Basden never interviewed his so called Bonny chiefs to ask them of their Origin,if he did , perhaps he would have gotten the same history of migration from Igboland through Azumini creeks, like Talbot and Captain and Arthur Glynn and Baike all got!
He was writing on assumptions, just as he assumed that because Ijaws stuck out like aliens they are in the Southern NIGERIA, that they must have been the most Ancient since they don't have history of origin from the North, when a better hypothesis would have been that they were early arrivals who came through the seas to the Niger Delta, at a time the Edoid, Igboids, Ibibiods and Yoruboid had already taken position.

Meanwhile, here is what Talbot said about Bonny.
Of course, he had to requote Captain Crow.

Igboid:
Do you understand the meaning of the word "Perhaps" ?
Talbot was making an isolated guess there, not founded on any oral or scientific research, hence the use of the word "Perhaps".

Alabo7978:
You're on point bro, but I have believed the account of deities dropping from the sky as accounted in the Bible, book of Enoch, book of jubilee, sacred texts and so many ancient manuscript.

Even african oral tradition spoke of people who dropped from the sky.
The Bible call them fallen angels or nephilim, and since they dropped during the days of Noah, and abrahamic period,, I am thinking it wasn't long they were casted down that people migrated to the area.
All accounts states and proves life to begin somewhere around the East and then people spread out, so we being very ancient, it is evident we came from those region.
Look at our carvings, look at the worship of Orus, look at the affinity to the delta's.

There's a researcher who claimed to have linked close to a thousand of our words to the medu neter of kemet(Egypt)

I respected his decision on wanting to publish and not letting anyone to get the information prior to publishing.