Alabo7978:

Wasn't deviating, Ekealterego was trying to gather the rest of the CIRCUS because he thought I didn't know what I was talking about.
I bet he'll be thanking you in telegram for drawing us out his blunder while trying to shame me but shaming himself.


Sequence of kings and events eh?
But the others claim the reviewer was hitting on Alagoa copying from Fombo. Na wa o, why don't you want to complete the entire isi'okwu ehn idenna?
Ide papa ya ogini?
The others are angry his works mirror Fombo and one of your circus member claims "igbos need to get their hands on Fombo's work" lol
Let me help you with a screenshot if you were expecting more other than "kings and events" of which events is the main notion behind Chronicles.
Besides my time here is done for today, goodbye.

Bros these guys are a huge disappointment really.
The reviewer simply expressed his displeasure at the quality of the work;poor in-text citations and reliance on secondary references.He also expressed concern that Fumbo's original manuscript was suppressed in favour of Alagoa's.No specifics as to what must have been taken out.How they came up with the idea that an Igbo narrative was swapped for Ijo one still baffles me.Besides, it's just one bad review by an Academic that had nothing to do with his institution;the University of Swansea.

Early this year,I had an obnoxious review from a particular reviewer on a Springer journal.A review I found distasteful.I took my manuscript,submitted to another Springer journal with a much higher impact factor.That same manuscript has been published,and with citations already.

There is something that hate and stupidity combined does to a person,and it's manifest in these guys.

Ekealterego:


JANK23H, please, do not stress me, one of the reasons why Alagoa came up many times on this thread was because earlier in the thread your guys, when they did not have anything kept referencing him and getting excerpts referencing him. Which defeats the whole purpose of the discussion.

Ok....from Chinenye an Ijo person

It's okay...

If the stress isn't too much,produce another.

Alabo7978:

Bro stop entertaining those clowns.
Every writers gets negative reviews, every books and works too.
Harry Potter had negative reviews,
Gone with the wind did so too
Even the Bible which grossed more sales than any other book in the world got loads of negative reviews.
No one can ever do good in this life, and I'm surprised grown men are seeing these kind of things and celebrating it like it's a first, grown men o.

This thread is the most stupid thread ever, and it just goes to prove how unexposed, ignorant and childish they are.

Of course I know,I said that earlier in some other thread.Infact he has more recommendations and citations than negative reviews.

I just want them to show how silly they are.

I dey less busy this period,make I attend to them before I start my writing again.

ThumbzTNA:


Alabo the strawman. Incase yoi domt know what a strawman is, it is a form of argument having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.

At least you know that one.I'm impressed.

ThumbzTNA:


Seems like you have misplaced priority issues in your life

Typical excuse of a harehead(hare brained)

SlayerForever:


That Alagoa wrote a very very poor book on Bonny history that was riddled with poorly verifiable accounts. The academic of Swansea university was very pissed to see the content after having high hopes.

Is that what you got from it?

Any other person please?

SlayerForever:



One would expect more from a whole UI. Tweh.

What did that review say and it's connections to Bonny?

Ekealterego:

Your guys were using Alagoa until we shut it down since we were using original sources from 150 - 400 years ago.

Screenshots please

Alabo7978:


ALAGOA, Ebiegberi Joe 1933-
Born April 14, 1933, in Nembe, Bayelsa State, Nigeria; son of Joseph Ayibatonye (a chief) and Jane Furombogha (Obasi) Alagoa; married Mercy Gboribusuote Nyananyo, September 26, 1961; children: David Ayibatonye. Education: Attended University College (Ibadan, Nigeria); University of London, B.A. (with honors), 1959; American University, certificate in archives administration, 1960; University of Wisconsin, certificate in African studies, 1965, Ph.D., 1966.

School of Humanities, University of Port Harcourt, P.O. Box 125, Uniport Post Office, Choba, Port Harcourt,

AWARDS, HONORS: Fulbright scholar, 1983-84; Rockefeller Foundation scholar, 1990; senior Fulbright scholar, 1993-94; officer, Order of the Niger, 2000.

CAREER

[b]began as archivist, became senior archivist, 1959-62; University of Lagos, Lagos, Nigeria, lecturer in African history, 1965-67; University of Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria, senior research fellow at Institute of African Studies, 1967-72; University of Lagos, professor of history and director of Centre of Cultural Studies, 1972-77; University of Port Harcourt, Port Harcourt, Rivers State, Nigeria, dean of School of Humanities, 1977-80, deputy vice chancellor, 1980-81, acting vice chancellor, 1982, dean of School of Graduate Studies, 1982-83, 1985-87, chair of faculty of humanities of Niger Delta Research Group, 1990-98. Frobenius Institute, visiting scholar, 1989; Bellagio Study and Conference Center, resident scholar, 1990; Brown University, research scholar, 1993-94. Member of Nigerian National Archives Committee, 1966-70, National Antiquities Commission, 1972-76, National Council for Arts and Culture, 1975-76, 1990-94, Nigerian Television Authority, 1984-86, Nigerian Copyright Council, 1989-93, and Nigerian National Merit Award Board, 1998-2001. Rivers State Council of Arts and Culture, chair, 1972-75; Rivers State Chieftaincy Enquiry, member, 1975; Rivers State Cheiftaincy Review Commission, chair, 1975-76; justice of the peace of Bayelsa State, 1999. Rivers State College of Science and Technology, member of council, 1972-75; Niger Delta University, prochancellor, 2001[/b]

Joe Alagoa is a "professor Emeritus" who has made wave in Nigeria and abroad and has lectured lots and lots of influential Nigerians including Dr goodluck ebele Jonathan.

ALAGOA is a professor Emeritus!
At age 88 he has paid his dues and will die a fulfiled man unlike you and your circus of clowns, including that fool who kept calling him "Dr Alagoa"
When Alagoa was a doctor, your father's were vulcanizers at ABA.

Binaowei calm down.

Let them analyse that review first.I want fully understand why they are jumping all over the place.

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Oga I want to pick your brain,unless you are harebrained.Please analyse that review and let's have a debate.

Clowns!

Did you read to understand the reviewer's comments?

Or you perceived that the comments weren't favourable,and booom.....you begin to self-service.


Can an intelligent one amongst you please breakdown the reviewer's comments and let's have a debate.

I begining to think all this talk of Mkpurumiri prevalence and abuse in the SE is true after all.

Lol....No where on this thread did any Ijo present Alagoa's work.I wonder why y'all are yapping about his work.

Infact,I deliberately avoided any publication linked with Alagoa so none of you would have something to hold,and I believe others did same.

My challenge is still out there.No response yet from any of you.

Ekealterego:


So, when you first meet them, you shout Ijo down their throats?

Bro, in that context, Ijos are not really in their purview of Ndi Mbamiri, although you are technically Mbamiri... They generally refer to Igboid groups living near water as Mbamiri.. Most do not know the geography of Bayelsa or what it looks like to call them Mbamiri.

Again, Igbo communities have different names for other Igbo communities and non-Igbos... Cross-River and Akwa-Ibom, although sharing similar landscape as Rivers, are refered to as, "Ndi Mmoghu".

Most of them don't even know the states where you can find Ijo people except you educate them. For you to claim descrimination only because you are Ijo is just something you want to hold on to..

Talking about Minority hate, it's always interesting to see aggressors crying foul. Look at half of the politics section is about one anti-Igbo thread or the other.

Go to Facebook pages of minority groups who love Igbos, you will find Ijaw agents publishing one anti-Igbo publications or the other.

You must think very poorly of your people to have said that.

A lot of Igbos know exactly who Ijos are and where they are located.It might interest you to know I'm married to an Igbo lady from Nnewi South,and so I have a very good idea of what I'm talking about.What transpired before the wedding and the snide remarks some in-laws make.

Ekealterego:

Do you know how scientific peer reviews work? Bro don't disappoint us, you have been fairly better than your brothers here.

I'm an academic so I have a very good idea how it works.

An scientific study can be turned down by a reputable journal or publisher as a result of poor review, and still be accepted by another reputable journal or publisher.I've experienced it on different occasions.

Ekealterego:


Bro, it is not one bad review. You need to check the others... That is the assigned leader in that field.
This is not just a review, this is the head of the scientific peer reviewer in charge.

JSTOR, the leading scientific and historical repository and body, even flagged it using that review.

Still doesn't change the fact that it's still regarded in other circles.

Ekealterego:


As inferior? You truly believe the average Igbo man knew where Ijaw is until recently?

on what basis were you discriminated against? Do you tell them first hand you are Ijaw and they just started discriminating against you?

Did they sense where you are from first hand?

FUTO is a federal school that attracts a lot of people from different places in Nigeria.

Come on na....why won't they know where or who Ijos are?
I identify proudly as Ijo anywhere I go and they refer to us as "Mbamiri".
You need not go far.Take Nairaland as a case study,read the comments made by your fellow Igbos it's the same sentiment against the other "minority tribes".Ever wondered why non-igboid and some Igboid NigerDelta tribes are comfortable with the South Easterners.

BKayy:

There is no single relationship between Igbo and Ijaw.
There can only be someone masquerading as Ijaw that his ancestors were Igbo (eg ASARI DOKUBO) not Igbo person that his ancestor is Ijaw. It is impossible.

Ijaw is the newest people in Nigeria. Even Fulani is older than them.
During the Slave trade, there was extremely little or no record of Ijaw in any form. Whether as Jo men or whatever.

Lol...


Should I bring Captain Pereira again?
You can't wish away the Ijos no matter how much they scare you.

Ekealterego:

I ga hu nke mbu na archive´dot org "Borrow 1 hour". Register na saiti ha.
Ka'am go si gi nke a.

https://archive.org/details/diaryofanteraduk0000behr

Ihe nile Alagoa dere na Akwukwo ya bu so Ijaw ijaw. Nwoke ahu mere ndi Igbo ihe.

Ya wuru ni na cho akwukwo na JSTOR, nwe kwa organisation free access rue ónwa ano na bia-nu.

Brother, I was trying to get the Alagoa book on Jstor (One of the best when it comes to science and history) even Alagoa's book was badly reviewed, it was flagged and I will look for other ways to get it.

Check out this review, Alagoa really caused so much damage. How did the scholar community allow such frauds to thrive?

´CC: Igboid, Bkayy, Eastlink, 9cloud

One bad review doesn't change anything.Infact,that book has hundreds of citations from reputable authors and publications.

Awolowo and Alagoa,the two great men giving Igbos nightmare.

Ekealterego:


You see this particular energy you have is just exactly the same energy organisations like IPOB or even an average Igbo had.
This shows in their national politics and how they align on issues.

Before Jonathan, the average Igbo thought and believed that Ijaws were "brothers" who spoke a different language. They view everyone from Rivers to Cross-Rivers as such; even some go as far as Idoma.

When you see national sentiments and concerns regarding the fight for minority rights, the oil spill or even killings, Igbos would usually be most vocal, which pits them against the other big two.

The last one I remember was the installation of Jonathan when Yaradua died, his first election and re-election. Normally, one can support a candidate, but you see the average Igbo supported Jonathan despite his performance. I remember how scary it was in Lagos; many Igbo people had to buy cutlass at home because of Jonathan.

During the Niger-Delta fight, Saro Wiwa etc.

Yes, I know there are Igbos in SS, so the interest, but most Igbo will not negotiate their rights without saying "SE and SS", adding Ijaws to it.

Numerically, Ijaws alone cannot influence matters on behalf or against the Igbos in national politics; they will have more to gain if they aligned with Yorubas.

While Igbos were thinking good of the Ijaws, the Ijaws were busy spreading anti-Igbo sentiments any chance they got. This particular energy you see is new.

You are not being truthful with the statement that the average Igbo perceived the Ijos and by extension the other NigerDelta tribes as "brothers".As one who graduated from FUTO,I experienced first hand discrimination from alot of Igbos around;mostly as someone inferior.This same denigrating sentiment prompted Boro to declare the NigerDelta Republic, because he experienced same at UNN at the time.

With regards to Jonathan pre 2015,his support didn't come mostly from Igbos,but across all tribes.Infact,one reason he fell out with the other "major tribes" was the perception that he was more inclined towards the Igbos.Frankly,the Igbos had it so good during his administration.

So please,do not misinform.

oyatz:



What exactly is the difference between Ijaw and Igbo?


There many people we now regard as Igbos whose forefathers came from Ijaw villages and there are Ijaws today whose ancestors came from igbo villages.



Both the Ijaw and Igbo identities as we know them today were recently fabricated social groups created by the British Colonial Masters for the purpose of identifications largely based on perceived similarities in languages, culture and coextensive territories.

This one don kuku scatter everything

Malawian:

The creek mouths as pyrates and lived exclusively on your boats. Infact only the British knew whom you were and it was from them we got to know of what tribal name to call you boat pyrates. Only the British can tell us where they brought you guys from and inserted into the Delta creeks. The aborigines never knew you guys nor your names nor where you even came from.

Guy you are unintelligent.

Don't quote me again.

Malawian:

You are basically saying what we are saying. You guys saturated the creek mouths and was not on land. Abi you didn't even read the stuff you posted?

The creek mouth is what?

Besides the writer consistently talked about country and Village when he alluded to Bonny.Is that on water too?

Ekealterego:


We have shown reports of kings being of Igbo descent, and founders.

You are making this thread even more richer with facts because answers abound to go against all the lies you guys have been parroting.

What about this origin? This was gotten from Bonnians in late 1800s. (Glynn)

Give me the full reference.Your Screenshot I've come to understand are deceptive.

Eastlink:
In response to how Kalabari dialect called Ibani gradually found its way into Bonny Island. The first one that talked about inter-marriage is just an hypotesis by me. The second about King Pepple adopting foreign cultures and the third about influence from neigbours. But Adaka Boro genocide wasn't an hypotesis but happened.

You are confused.

Eastlink:
Boro's genocide is another topic. Not on this thread. We have historical evidence.

Then why did you bring it initially?

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Please let's present facts.

christistruth01:



Well done

We had to show them that the Portuguese met Awori Yorubas in Lagos in 1472
when the same People here dragging Bonny with Ijaws were foolish enough to be dragging Lagos with Yorubas

They drag everything.The annoying part is their arguments are faulty.

Very poor understanding and fickle.

Eastlink:
I support this angle or hypotesis. Ndoki dialect of Igbo was the aboriginal language but was almost displaced just like the Ibibiod language in those axis before the coming of the slave trade that saw a mass influx of Isuama dominated slaves into the Island. This move single-handedly revived the language and push the Kalabari dialect now dubiously called Ibani into submission. What Ijaw pirates couldn't achieve in Bonny/Opobo, they succeded in Brass, Nembe, Kalabari and in some sections of Okrika.

Today the Ijaw labdgrabbers led by Alagoa the fraud, are trying to push Kalabari dialect called Ibani into Bonny mainstream. "The speak Ibani initiative, the stop speaking Igbo", "the revive your Ibani mother tongue", "the stop saying biko but Ibama", etc has been part of this agenda since Adaka Boro couldn't wipe off the people during the civil war genocide.

The game is now exposed. Ndigbo over to you.

You've come with your hypothesis again.We are debating facts and dissecting a statement here.

Always digging conjuctures from your ass.

One minute Kalabari is Igbo and Ibani is an Igbo dialect,the next minute it's an Ijo dialect.

I have asked for excerpts or news report where Boro or Boro led Nigeria Army attacked Bonny.Till date no response.

You can't deceive the world with this lies.We are not all IPoB.

BKayy:

The article started like this "Commencing with Bonny and its people, if they are of Ibo origin as ALL THE EVIDENCE OBTAINABLE APPEARS TO PROVE"

That is there is no doubt that Bonny people are of Igbo origin. No single reasonable doubt, then went ahead to lay an opinion like most of you are doing here.

But one thing you can't take off the thread is that there is no single doubt that Bonny people are of Igbo descent.

Now if you are buying the opinion, that means that you don't even recognise Pepple, his ancestors, the other Bonny Kings and the current natives as the Original inhabitants of Bonny.
You people have not said what you want.

Who are the Bonny people?

Of course the Igbo slaves can be regarded as "Bonny people" because by European standards they had been in Bonny for sometime;some may have been born there.

You didn't attend to the issue I raised though.Attend to it.That is where the distinction was made between the Ijos and Igbos.

BKayy:

What you posted said that Okirika and Bonny are of Igbo origin and the small Ijaw words appearing on their vicinity is due to intermarriage with Ijaw women.

Is that how you people conquered the Igbo city of Bonny and turned the natives to your slaves?
Through Intermarriage?

Oga...

What does ...."coming as they first did into the Ijo country provided with no females of their own race..." mean?

Thank you.

Igboid:


Lol!
Baike never said Ijaws were in Bonny.

Looks like you have moved on from RIO REAL.

I'm attending to the nonsense you've been running around with.

The Rio Real matter still dey.Nobody has presented something earlier to disprove.

All these Baike,Crow and co aren't doing it for me.

Igboid:


There were not ambiguous in stating that Bonny ancestors were of Igbo origin.

That's all that matters.

You have been called back to the group to restrategize. Make haste and do the needful.