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ijawcitizen:
My Ijo brothers, I greet you all.
A mie ka'm
A mie ba'm

I am an old timer on Nairaland and I stopped responding to these lunatic, hollow headed, ignorance relishing, deranged and desperate igbo irrendentists and irritants on Nairaland but pls permit me to drop one of my old bombs from yester years.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/why-we-dont-speak-igbo-at-our-meetings-ohanaeze/




Former National Secretary of Ohanaeze, Professor Ben Nwabueze, SAN, who spoke, lamented that Ndigbo do not speak the Igbo language to themselves because most of them were promoting their various dialects instead of speaking the central Igbo. There are as many Igbo dialects as there are communities.

Nwabueze, who spoke at an Igbo language programme organized by the Igbo Youth Movement, IYM, for secondary school students in Enugu, said that Ohanaeze Ndigbo once decided that its meetings and activities would be conducted in Igbo, but this did not work because there were several Igbo dialects spoken in various parts of Igbo nation unlike Hausa or Yoruba which had acceptable central language.

“We once said at an Ohanaeze meeting that all our meetings would be conducted in Igbo because we realized that our language was dying, but this did not work. The first day we decided that we must speak Igbo in our meetings, the late governor of Anambra State, Chief C. C. Onoh spoke his own brand of WAWA Igbo.

“Onoh spoke at length and most people did not understand what he was saying. Every other person spoke his own dialect and at the end, nobody spoke Igbo again at Ohanaeze because none of us understood one another’s dialect,” he said.

Also contributing, the former Registrar of the West African Examinations Council, WAEC, and now traditional ruler, Professor Chukwuemeka Ike, blamed the inability of Ndigbo to speak Igbo on the missionaries who established schools in Igbo land.

Ike said that when he went to the then Government College, Umuahia in the present Abia State, it was an offence to speak Igbo in the school premises.

“When I went to Government College, it was an offence to speak Igbo in the school then. When I left the college, I travelled overseas for further studies. Writers should publish their books in both English and Igbo languages …,” he added. Also speaking, the former Vice President, Dr. Alex Ekwueme, said that Igbo language should not be allowed to die.

On why Ndigbo do not speak their language, Ekwueme said that this was because, “English language is a predator to Igbo,” just as Hausa is the predator to Angas, spoken by the former Head of State, General Yakubu Gowon’s people.

“Gowon’s father was the leader of his people in the Anglican Church. The Bible was first translated to Angas language, but nobody read it because Hausa is predator to Angas. Igbo Bible is not read because English is the predator to Igbo.

“The Hausa Bible which was translated after the Angas Bible is widely read, but that of the Angas did not sell,” he said. John Okafor, aka Ibu, an actor, also lamented that the average “Igbo child cannot tell you where he comes from. He will tell you that his/her father has not told him the name of his village. This is not good. We must speak our language,” Ibu said.

Anonymous15:
Ok.

ThickSharon123:
As a man thinketh so is he....you've heard the dictum.
if you have you will know what I'm trying to say.

ThickSharon123:
Don't insult me, because you don't want to see me insulting you. Can't you Ijaws have a sane conversation for once. You feel guilt tripped that's why you're trying to make an argument. Or put simply, you lack information or evidence to things, so you succumb to insulting anyone who questions your knowledge of sanity.

ThickSharon123:
Please tag the time I said so. I want you to earnestly find it.

Her name is Bakosi, don't want to spill her first name. Is the Portuguese name Bakosi not known only in Ijaw here? Am I falsifying anything? Isn't Bakosi Ijaw related in Nigeria?

ThickSharon123:
Is it Ditari something. The Ijaw advocate on Nairaland.

ThickSharon123:
Read the comments of the thread and you will see were one of your Ijaw kins had made us believe so. Made us believe you people understood each other perfectly. Thank you for making it clear.

ThickSharon123:
I was born here, and my mom is Igbo. Not forgetting that I schooled here. So I know much. And I've heard a lot of Ijaw friends, and know pretty much. So, I don't know where you're driving at.

ThickSharon123:
Central dialects do have a nucleus. And in the Igbos case the nucleus is Owerri or Orlu language phonology. This is to say, Igbos from Delta, some parts of Kogi and Benue, to Rivers and all other areas can understand perfectly the language of the Owerri or Orlu people. This is what makes a central dialect and it isn't made in periods of time, it comes up suddenly at its own pace.

But the question lies, can an average Apoi understand someone from Nembe perfectly, being that Nembe is the central dialect you've all agreed to take on? Mind you I do have a friend and she's Nembe, but she honestly had said to me that most Ijaw areas do not intellligbly understand themselves. It's quite hard for them.

ThickSharon123:
Central dialects do have a nucleus. And in the Igbos case the nucleus is Owerri or Orlu language phonology. This is to say, Igbos from Delta, some parts of Kogi and Benue, to Rivers and all other areas can understand perfectly the language of the Owerri or Orlu people. This is what makes a central dialect and it isn't made in periods of time, it comes up suddenly at its own pace.

But the question lies, can an average Apoi understand someone from Nembe perfectly, being that Nembe is the central dialect you've all agreed to take on? Mind you I do have a friend and she's Nembe, but she honestly had said to me that most Ijaw areas do not intellligbly understand themselves. It's quite hard for them.

ThickSharon123:
Check out the Yoruba's and Igbo's central dialects. There were no preparations made unto it. It simple sprang up. The question is, why do Ijaws have to use dialogue and force to make a central language. Why can't it be done now?

In my perspective, central language isn't created, it is spontaneous, and happens through a given period.

DitariDisciple2:
My Kolokuma understands even the Ijaws as far as Akwaibom to an extent.

As for Rivers Delta, Bayelsa Ondo, and Edo Ijaws.
It is very easy for We Kolokuma clan to understand.

FreeStuffsNG:
Is this feasible? From my understanding of the evolution of languages, sociological and geographical factors play more role than folks sitting down to create a language.

Take for example, it's recorded in authority books that Asaba is culturally related to the west than the East but as minorities that are geographically close to a dominant tribe, the Igbo language dorminated their language over time and soon reduced the influence of their original cultural relationships with their kith and kin in the Western region.

The same thing is happening in Ondo with the Apoi who are even in Ese Odo LGA and speak Yoruba more and for political reasons will rather use their broader Yoruba affinity and relationship available to them but not available to Ijaws in Rivers and Bayelsa to increase their chances of opportunities.


You will never know that some Yoruba from Ese Odo LGA, Ondo have Apoi roots perhaps until you are married to them or close to them. The Apois and Ilaje have very little difference yet the Ilaje are Yoruba but the Apois won't let go of their Yoruba affinity for obvious reasons.

So asking the Apoi to take on one central Ijaw language that gives him no special economic or political advantage over his Ilaje neighbour who is already using his Yoruba as an edge,in my opinion, is just an academic exercise.
All around him,in schools, market, church, mosque, radio, TV, campaign ground, civil service secretariats, Banks, etc, they speak Yoruba which he can speak and has been speaking all his life and he even bears Yoruba names, his mother is probably Yoruba and you tell him to learn one language you are writing somewhere.

Haba. Kolewek o

SlayerForever:
Give me the name of one very very prominent Ijaw chief in Bonny during the Palm oil trade of 2 centuries ago.

cc Alabo7978

aribisala0:
Just Imagine the lies these EBOES tell

WAEC office is located at the site of the old Technical Institute Yaba
But these jokers just wake up and concoct all manner of fiction with no shame and no dissonance

What kind of people are these?

Sunisonflex39:
Someone should help me

post=108971284:
Slow and steady we will get to the nation of our dreams.
Nigeria will succeed and wake up to be the GIANT God had created it to be.

God bless Nigeria and all the good, honest and hardworking Nigerians.
We will keep believing in her and keep praying for her.
We shall get there.

#Team Positivity.

We Rise.

BKayy:
Still can't prove that your pirate savage ancestors were not existing in Southern Nigeria prior to 18th century?

Mtcheww.. Its not as if I was expecting a surprise.

Bloody inferior being that was dropped of by Europeans to constitue nuisance amongst us.

BKayy:
Aro wannabe, you have not answered my own question.
I gave you not 1508 but a thousand years before it so replicate the favour by accepting that you lots are just latest slaves that were dumped by the Portuguese and British ships at our shores that later took up piracy and cannibalism for survival.

As for respect, it is not our wish to demand online respect when in reality you and your people literally worship the ground we step on.

There has never been any near equal relationship between us and you savages. Unlike some people that their relationship is slave to master in Nigeria ours is Gods to Worshippers relationship.

Your ancestors literally worshipped us. So no amount of blackmail or online rant can change that history.
Inferior being.

BKayy:
@ emboldened, when did you drop such senseless challenge?

Every cat and dog knows that the earliest writing by those that saw southern Nigeria recognised the existence of Ndigbo, now the archaeological evidences like the pictures below finally justified the existence of Ndigbo continously in the geographical space they occupy today for at least 1500 years. We practically wrote our own stories which is older than when your first ancestor formed.

Let me answer your question anyways, according to "Thurstan Shaw, Those Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates: facts, fictions, and probabilities, Journal of African History, 1975" the radiocarbon dating of Igbo Ukwu artifacts date 9th-10 century while the site itself dates 850AD, showing proof that Ndigbo have been where they are for at least a thousand years back.

The question shouldn't be about Ndigbo but you, is there anything that mention Ijaw, Jo men or any term you pirates go by these days prior to 19th century.
Remember the time, unlike you that is looking for 16th, I said late 19th century. Anything before 1800. Archaeological or otherwise.

And while at it, don't be as stupid like you when you Shameless lots claimed a Scottish man by presenting the Ibibio/ Obolo sculpture you drunks parade around.
Have some dignity.

BKayy:
History is not borne out of wishes, talkless of that of a drunkard.

None of the recorded part has been to your favour. If there is any, I challenge you to drop it here.

Until then, you lots are just unfortunate drunkards with no history that think of themselves Aro whom unfortunately they worshipped.

BKayy:
Getting discomfort from something borne out of severe inferiority and mere wishes?

The only proven something between me and you drunks is that your ancestors used to worship mine, any other thing is mere wishes which end up backfiring like that of Scottish Jo (John) Wedderburn whom you savages of no history claimed to be one of you.

When you talk about serves and people with slaves, you talk about people like the family in the picture

BKayy:
Inferiority complex to drunkards?
This is the side effect of drinking kai kai on an empty stomach.
You start imagining things anyhow.

Liebermantic:
Amakiri is an Igbo descent

BKayy:
I can see that you got the wrong notion from my comment.
Mr. Man I don't care what Ikwerre people choose to identify as. I am only concerned with your history distortion, most especially the fallacy on Isiokpo.

Oga I am from the place that consider anybody that is not part of them inferior, but unlike you people and Ijaw that ride on fake history for yours, ours have a reasonable backing but for some good reasons most of us have risen above such mindset and we never for once doubt our identity. That's why when I see you inferiors claiming boss without substance I just laugh.

Sometimes I imagine what you people would have done if you were us. Or what Ijaw people would have done if they were Aro that monopolised that slave trade. I guess we won't hear word again or cross road for both of you.

Its like God gave people what they could handle.

chrisxxx:
From time immemorial Igbos have always been slave to all ethnic group around them including to the Binis.