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PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 7:59pm On Feb 27, 2022
Alabo7978:
Nice one JANK23H
Igboid howfar na... You got what you wanted abi?
I want to read how he'll spin this one.
Foreign AffairsRe: Belarus 'To Join Ukraine ilInvasion' And Preparing For Air Assault On Kyiv by JANK23H(m): 7:30pm On Feb 27, 2022
This war won't end anytime soon.It's time for the West to make money by supplying weapons to Ukraine.They've pushed Ukraine into an unnecessary war.
PoliticsRe: Press Release By Ijaws Of Egbema Clan: Rejoinder. by JANK23H(m): 6:59pm On Feb 27, 2022
giftibo:
PRESS RELEASE BY IJAWS OF EGBEMA CLAN: REJOINDER.

1. The attention of the Toru-Ibe Ijaws of Edo state has been drawn to the Rejoinder of the Benin Traditional Council Christened Press Release by the Ijaws of Egbema clan: REJOINDER: In the said rejoinder the Benin Chiefs affirm that the Ijaws as a people have no God given lands in Edo State, particularly Benin area". They continued: "In conjunction with representatives of Ugbo and Itsekiri people we have proved in previous Press statement that the Ijaws in Warri, Benin and Ugbo land are migrants and settlers."
2. To say the least, nothing can be farther from the truth. In fact, the reverse is the case. It is the Binis, the Itsekiris and the Ilajes who are laying false and baseless claims to Ijaws lands in Edo, Delta and Ondo States, and that they are the migrants and settlers in Ijaw land. The Ijaws In Edo, Delta and Ondo States are in their own God given lands from time immemorial.
3. While the Itsekiris in Warri, Delta state, the Ilajes (Mahin) in Ondo state including the Binis in Edo state, are all in Ijaw-lands. The Itsekiris descendants of Ginuwa I, the rejected and banished eldest son of Oba Olua of Benin in the 15th century, precisely 1480AD. came from Benin; the Ilajes (Mahins) from Ile-Ife while the Binis migrated from Egypt, after a short stay in the Sudan and Ile-Ife, to Ijaw lands.
4. In all probability the Press statement to which these Bini Chiefs are referring is very likely to be the one they conspired with Itsekiris and Ilajes to publish in the Nigerian Tribune of March 31,1994 and repeated in the Guardian of April 10th, 1994.
5. We published a very adequate and comprehensive response to all their false-hoods in a Press statement published in the Sunday Tribune of June 26,1994, to which these Bini Chiefs have no clues till today; that in reality the reverse is the case, that the Binis, Itsekiris and the Ilajes are the migrants, squatters and settlers in Ijaw land.
6. The history of the Ijaws in Nigeria including the Toru-Ibe Ijaws of Edo State, Egbema Ijaws in Delta State and the Arogbo Ijaws in Ondo State as the aborigines of both the Niger Delta and wherever they are found in the Nigerian Coast board has never been questioned or disputed. No history or historian has been able to establish that the Ijaws of Nigeria migrated from any where to the coast which they have been identified with. While many other ethnic groups in Nigeria have traced their origins to countries outside Nigeria, the Ijaws of the Niger Delta have no home other than their present habitat the Niger Delta which stretches from the Eastern Adonis in Akwa-Ibom state through the Rivers, Bayelsa, Delta, Edo and Ondo States. But on the other hand the Binis migrated from Egypt via the Sudan to Ile-Ife; the Itsekiris came from Benin, and so by implication, from Ile-Ife , and the Ilajes from Ile-Ife. The Ijaws are in their proper original home in the Niger Delta of Nigeria.
In other words whereas, there was a time when there was none of these people- Binis, Itsekiris and Ilajes (Mahins)- in the riverine places that they are now falsely claiming to be their own, the Ijaws, the most ancient people in Nigeria, have always been in these riverine areas, their natured habitat.
7. WITNESS OF HISTORY TO IJAW AUTOCHTHONISM IN NIGERIA
History books are replete with the fact that the Ijaws are the most ancient and indigenous inhabitants of wherever they are found in the riverine areas in Benin, Warri and Ugbo. In fact, it is the verdict of history that the Ijaws are the most ancient people in the whole of Nigeria, and are among the most ancient in West Africa. We shall quote a few historians who testify to this fact. [b]Professor J.S, Coleman in his book titled Nigeria: Background to Nationalism (Los Angeles, 1963, p. 28) describes the Ijaws as "perhaps the most ancient in West Africa whose Language has little or no affinity with any other in Nigeria ". In similar vein Professors Stride and Ifeka submit: "Some of the oldest inhabitants of the Atlantic Coast are the Jola, Pepeh and Sorer of the Senegambia, and Sherbro and Bulom of Sierra Leone. Along the Guinea Coast, the Lagoon folk of Ivory Coast, the Guan of Southern Ghana and the Ijaws of the Niger Delta (underlining ours) must be included among the most ancient of the coastal dwellers." (.G.T Stride and C. Ifeka, peoples and empires of West Africa 1000-1800, 1971, P.S).
8. Dr. P.A Talbot, once acting Resident of Benin Division (1920), calls the Ijaws "this strange people- a survival from the dim past beyond the dawn of history- whose language and customs are distinct from those of their neighbors and without trace of any tradition of time before they were driven-southwards into these regions of sombre mangroves." (Tribes of the Niger Delta, 1932, p.5). In another context, Dr. Talbot submits firmly; "their (Ijaws) origin is wrapped in mystery. The people inhabit practically the whole Coast, some 250 miles in length, stretching between the Ibibio and Yoruba. The Niger Delta therefore, is…occupied by this strange people." (Ibid)
9. Professor Wilfrid D. Hambly testifies: " Beliefs held by the Ijaws are of particular interest because these people are probably the oldest inhabitants of Nigeria."(Serpent Worship in Africa, (Chicago, U.S.A. 1931, p.16). In another context, Professor Wilfrid Hambly declares firmly: "Pythons are held sacred throughout the region of Marsh lands and waters inhabited by the most ancient tribe of all, the Ijaws." "(underlining ours Ibid).
10. These and more are objective and honest historians and writers who have no ulterior motive for their work. They are unanimous in their submission that the Ijaws are the indigenous and most ancient people of the Delta and the riverine, coastal areas of Nigeria[/b].
The Binis , Itsekiris and Ilajes who say the Ijaws are strangers, settlers , tenants or squatters in the Nigeria coast line are betraying themselves as liars, deceivers, and people engaged in dirty, expansionist politicking and who are bound to fail.
11. ITSEKIRI - ORIGIN
As a matter of fact, a historian, William Moore, an Itsekiri himself actually called the Itsekiris and the Ilajes (Mahins) squatters in Ijaw-land. He writes: "Prior to the advent of the Bini Ginuwa (i.e 1480), the territory now known as the Kingdom of Itsekiri or Iwere, was inhabited by three tribes, namely, the Ijaws, Sobos (Urhobo) and Mahins (Ilajes)… (The Sobos) occupied the hinterland, while the Ijaws occupied the coastline, and the Mahins (llajes) squatted on the sea-shore near the Benin River… the Mahins (Ilajes) hailed from Akoko and Ikale in the province of Ondo, Nigeria." (History of Itsekiri, 1970), P. B.
12. In another context, William Moore submits: "Prince Ginuwa first landed at Amatu (an Ijaw town) where he squatted for about three decades, he moved to Oruselomo where he married an Ijaw woman named Derumo… a dispute arose between him and the Ijaws of Gulani on account of the woman Derumo who was killed by him… he fled to Ijala where he later died…" (Ibid. pp. 18 - 20).
13. According to Chief Dr. Egharevba, "Oba Olua knew that his eldest son Iginua was hated by the Binis for the bad advice he had given against the people. He decided to send him away… The Oba did not wish the scheme to be known to his chiefs in order that they might send their sons to accompany him as his subjects so he cunningly asked them to send their sons with Iginua (Ginuwa) to sacrifice for him by the sea… Olua made a big box and filled it with the necessary royal attire… and to conceal the secret put the sacrificial victims on the top. He had made arrangements in advance for Ijaw men to take Igniua and his retinue in their canoes to their destination… Being very proud and fond of wearing fine clothes he was nicknamed "Iginua the proud". He was also very cunning and cruel. " (A Short History of Benin, 1968, P. 21).
14. Ginuwa's (Iginua) retinue was made up of seventy (70) all male including Ginuwa and all first sons of Bini Chiefs. There was no single woman among them. The Ijaws took them in their canoes to Amalu. After waiting for a long time and seeing that their sons did not return, the Bini chiefs realised that they had been deceived by their Oba. So they sent warriors to Ugharagin (now Oghareki) to fetch their sons home. But they had been ferried across the river by the Ijaws who refused to co-operate with the Bini chiefs, so, their mission failed.
15 Apart from accommodating these seventy men and giving them land to stay, the Ijaws gave wives to these seventy to marry and taught them all the techniques of living in the rivers including how to make river craft.
16. This is the story of the Itsekiri people who are actually the tenants, squatters and settlers in Ijawland as any reader can see for himself/herself.
17. ILAJES (MAHINS) - ORIGIN
The Ilajes met the Arogbo-Ijaws in the home land of the latter people. The Ilajes escaped from Ile-Ife a few centuries ago running for their dear life because of the misunderstanding between them and their kith and kins in Ile-Ife. They arrived in Ijawland in the present Ondo State and pleaded to be sheltered. Thus the Ilajes whose countrymen, the Yoruba are hinterland based people found themselves settled along the Atlantic sea-coast separated from the hinterland by the Arogbo-Ijaw clan who inhabit the fresh water swamps of the Delta adjoining the mainland. This historical event explains why the oldest Ilaje-towns can only be found along the Atlantic coast line and not more than a few decades old. The Arogbo-Ijaws taught the Ilajes the art of swimming, fishing, house building and canoe-paddling the only mode of transportation in the area.
18. This story was corroborated by the testimony of the then Olugbo-Elect, Crown Prince Adebanjo Akingbade Mafimisebi. He is now the substantive Olugbo of Ugbo. Testifying before the Justice Ajakaiye Chieftaincy Commission of Inquiry sitting at Akure, he deposed as follows: "The Ugbo-Kingdom in the Ilaje-Ese Odo Local Government of Ondo State existed before Oduduwa came to Ile-Ife. Ugbo (Ilaje) Kingdom is one of the ancient Kingdoms in Yorubaland as a whole, and the people (Ilajes) were originally (underlining ours) in Ile-Ife before Oduduwa (father of the Yorubas) came and raided them. They first settled at Oke Mafunranyan (High Hill) which was later known as Oke-Igbo, and later migrated to the Arogbo-Ijaw riverine area of Ondo State." (See Sunday Sketch, June 19, 1988.
19. This history of Ilaje settlement in their present habitat is further corroborated in a short history of the Ilajes by an expatriate, Patriarch J. G. Campbell who stated that the Ilajes left Ile-Ife to Ese-Odo area where they were assisted by the Ijos (Ijaws) to settle in their new environment.
20. The said press statement by the conspirator Chiefs was released on the eve of the so called Constitutional Conference organised by the Abacha Administration. Its intention was to mislead, misinform and deceive the public, the Abacha Government and the delegates to the conference to deny us our request for a separate Local Government - Toru-Ibe Local Government Area.
21. The present Rejoinder by these writers has the same intention: to misinform, mislead and deceive the public and the Federal and State Governments in the on-going Boundary delimitation exercise embarked upon by the National Boundary Commission. The third purpose of these conspirators is to show the Ijaws in a bad light, all in their attempt to corner our God-given oil rich lands.
22. They insulted the whole Ijaw race by describing it as " a nomadic and highly sedentary race that migrate to other places to live, "using their canoes in the water ways and settling on shore to engage in their fishing business." These are very inflamming words , and these chiefs owe an unreserved apology to the Ijaw ethnic nationality.
23. The Ijaws are neither nomads, migrants nor settlers, as we shall prove very presently.
But we are proud that we have our own river-craft, canoes, with which we ply our criss-cross rivers, rivulets and seas all over the coast of Nigeria and convey our goods and goods of others; we are not beast of burden like these chiefs who heave their loads on their heads and shoulders, walking miles and miles some times on bare foot.
24. Secondly, these Bini Chiefs are either very ignorant people or they are just being mischievous, out to deceive, misinform and mislead the public and governments. Their own son, late Chief (Dr.) Jacob Uwagboe Egharevba wrote that they are actually, the migrants, that they migrated from Egypt to the Sudan, and then migrated from the Sudan to Ile-Ife and then again migrated from Ile-Ife to the present place, and that "Tradition says that they (the Binis) met some people who were in the land before their arrival "(A Short History Benin, Ibadan University Press, 1968, P.1).
25. And the people, they met in the land were the Ijaws who ferried them across the Ovia river with their river-craft (Ibid. pp. 6&9) which the Bini Chiefs tried to ridicule. This duty of ferrying Binis and other people across Ovia River the Ijaws continued to perform creditably over the years until a few decades ago when bridges were constructed across the River Ovia. When vehicles appeared in Nigeria the Ijaws wisely joined two or three big canoes together to continue to do their job of ferrying men and goods across the river Ovia. The last Ijaw ferryman was chief Beyo of Ikoro, an Ijaw community in Ovia North-East Local Government Area.
26 In his book titled. The Origin and Titles of Yoruba Rulers (n.d. p.3) E. A. Kenya writes about the new comers (the Binis) "Up till that time the Oba of (Benin) and his people were pure Yoruba and did not understand the language of the aborigines who usually saluted themselves and the people thus: 'A doo', dolo o; and whenever the Oba's people saw these aborigines they used to call them "Ados".
27 S. K. Owonaro corroborates Kenyo's statement. He writes: "To the proposal Prince Godo readily consented. He therefore left Ife with the old woman and the regalia of authority… He migrated southwards till he got to the present site of Benin City where he met with some people known as Ifa, or Edos." (The History of Ijo and Her Neighbouring Tribes in Nigeria, 1949, p. 94).
28 And according to P. C. Lloyd, "… Yoruba was the Court language in Benin both before and at the time of Ginuwa's departure (in 1480), hence its use at Ode Itsekiri". (The Benin Kingdom and the Edo speaking Peoples of Southern Nigeria by R.E. Bradbury with a section on the Itsekiri by P. C. Llyod. 1957, p. 179).
29 Ado o., dolo o are the greetings of the Ijaws till today, an incontrovertible evidence that the aborigines Kenyo wrote about are the Ijaws. The aliens (the Binis) ridiculed and nicknamed the Ijaws Ados which in the corrupt form Edo/Ado became the name of the Edo people, their language, and the city of Benin. The Ijaws are the aborigines of Benin and the entire land.
30 Thus there are two elements in Benin today. The Oba and his dynasty commencing with Prince Oranmiyan from Ile-Ife in 1170 AD represent the alien, Yoruba element while the Ogiamwen, the Uzama, (an Ijaw word meaning "Ijaw people or Ijaw town"wink and the Iyase represent the Ijaw aborigines (A. Ryder, Benin and the Europeans 1485 - 1897), 1969, pp. 3 - 8. Cf Egharevba, Op. Cit, pp. 9f)
31 This was why there was a near perfect harmony between the Binis and the Ijaws all over the Country until the reign of the present Oba of Benin who has put the spanner between people who had been living together in peace for centuries. His ambition is to be both Oba of Benin and the Oba of Toru-Ibe Ijaws. We consider this as an inordinate ambition, impossible to realise.
32 It is important to state at this juncture one very important historical fact. And this is to the effect that numberless centuries before the slave trade, during the slave trade and long after the inhuman human traffic no interior tribe including the Binis dared to found any village near a river, particularly the five so-called slave rivers, namely Rio Primeriro (First River), Rio Fermoso (the Beautiful River, now the Benin River), Riodos Escravos (the slave River), the Rio dos Forcados (the Swallowtail River) and the Rio dos Ramos (Creek River).
Just when I was showing Porbeni(Igboid) excerpts of Talbot proving Ijos as one of the most ancient tribes in Africa and most àncient in Nigeria.
PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 6:20pm On Feb 27, 2022
Igboid:
What?

I said no historical mention of Ijaw in Bonny, and you never provided any evidence to prove that.
We all knew that the teeth filling Jos men terrorized Waters in and around Bonny, but were never recorded as inhabitants of Bonny.
Notes on the Ibo country and the Ibo People, Southern Nigeria by George Basden,Pg 243

Alabo7978
Putinthebutt

PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 5:31pm On Feb 27, 2022
Igboid:
Talbot even finished Ijaw in his book.
He straight up noted that Engenni, Abua, Odual, Degema, are not Ijaw people.
He quickly linked Engenni and co to Isoko(Edoid) and Degema/Abua to Efiks ( Ibibiod).

You just scored an own goal bro. grin
I will now use this Talbot book and finish you.

By the way, Talbot still quoted Captain Crow that give you lots shivers when it comes to Bonny Igbo origin. grin
Stop jumping all over the place
PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 5:30pm On Feb 27, 2022
Igboid:
This is what Talbot wrote.
Notice he attached "Great" to Igbo! cool
The peoples of Southern Nigeria by P A Talbot.1926

PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 4:45pm On Feb 27, 2022
Igboid:
What?

I said no historical mention of Ijaw in Bonny, and you never provided any evidence to prove that.
We all knew that the teeth filling Jos men terrorized Waters in and around Bonny, but were never recorded as inhabitants of Bonny.
Mhen!

Go rest with that recycled bullshi.t!
PoliticsRe: 2023 Presidency: Don’t Denigrate Yourself By Joining APC, Sagay Warns Jonathan by JANK23H(m): 2:08pm On Feb 27, 2022
mrvitalis:
Handing Jonathan the presidency would be the best thing to ever happen to south ..truth me Fulanis won't smell power for the next 30 years ...Igbos can certainly sheild our ambition for that to happen trust me

Jonathan is an ex presidents knows what to do with power now trust me ...with power of state and south behind him ..it would be easy to install a middle belt Christian and maybe south south Muslim ( yes they exist ) after him ...
Then Igbo and north east Muslim as vice then igbos hand over to north east and Yoruba vice north east hand over to yorubas ...then we can kill zoning
Yeye analysis
PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 11:22am On Feb 27, 2022
mrvitalis:
50% Igbo 50% ijaw
grin grin
Can i see the proof please.
PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m):
Of the Ijos Dr. Talbot wrote:

"The population of (Southern Nigeria) is divided into three main groups: Sudanese, Semi-Bantu and Bantu... The Sudanese occupy west and central portions of the country. The most important of their tribes are the Yoruba, Edo-speaking people, the Ijaw, who lived in the Niger Delta, and the Ibo who inhabit the regions between the Niger and the Cross Rivers. . .The most ancient of all are the Ijaws, descendants perhaps of the earliest Negroes who penetrated the West Africa forest"

The linguist Prof. Key Williamson wrote:
". . .Ijoid is highly differentiated from all its neighbors; it is spoken only within the delta. A long period of differentiation from its neighbors must have taken place, and in considerable isolation. It is therefore highly likely that it took place within the Delta. We may assume that the ancestors of the Ijoid moved into Delta at least 7000 years ago and lived in sufficient isolation from their neighbors to develop considerable changes in their own language and remain unaffected by the changes influencing those neighbors"

ccAlabo7876
PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 10:53am On Feb 27, 2022
Igboid:
Nope. The Nubians are a highly organized people capable of great technological and artistic feats.
Ijaws lack these two traits. They were not good in technology ( no metallurgy, construction, etc skills) and arts( no known Ijaw arts), the ones they claim are the Ibibio arts of proto Ibibiod people like Andoni, Ogbia, Abureni, Obulom, and proto Edo people like Udekeme, Engenni and Epie-Attisa.
The real and not Political Ijaw people in Kolokuma Opokuma homeland, are not known for another productive venture beyond rudimentary fishing.

In conclusion. The Ijaws cannot be Nubians.
Same way you said no historical mention of Ijos anywhere until you I presented them to you.If I show you Ijo arts now,you'll ascribe it to other tribes like you've just done to diminish our achievements.

Keep fooling yourself.
PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 10:42am On Feb 27, 2022
Alabo7978:
every Europeans called us Oru, even the name you want to claim.
Na wa o
It's jealousy Alabo.They think so highly of themselves that they wouldn't accept that some other ethnicities are/did greater things than they've done.

Similar way whites stole the achievement of some black people, simple because they can't accept that a black man can do anything great.Hence a lot of black history was wiped out and some revised to their favour.

As for your thread,I can't speak authoritatively on our link to ancient Egypt.What I do know is that several European scholars, especially Portuguese and Dutch have described the Ijos as one of the most ancient tribes in Africa.
PoliticsRe: Are The Ijaws Nubians/egyptians Of Antiquity? by JANK23H(m): 10:33am On Feb 27, 2022
SlayerForever:
Ijaw keep claiming the word Oru but yet they have no tangible explanation as regards the term Oru.

Let me tell you what I think. I think the Orus were actually Riverine Igbos that were in existence from the beginning of the Igbo race. Oru is more evenly spread and established across Igbo society that in Ijaw society. Oru appears a foreign concept in ijaw origin.

The Oru would be joined by the Ijaw people in a migration much later, and over generations the two became thoroughly mixed. Hence, Ijaw superimposed or more probably eroded the practices of the riverine Oru Igbos they came upon, leaving only the name Oru as survivor from that era, and from then the ijaw we know today continued in existence.

That is my explanation of Oru's awkward existence in Ijaw today.
Don't tell us what you think.That's not what scholars do.There are several literature that ascribe that appellation to Ijos.We also call ourselves Orus too.That is an ancient Ijo appellation.
PoliticsRe: 2023 #GEJisComing: Jonathan Is Running For Presidency Under APC - Twitter Users by JANK23H(m): 7:32pm On Feb 23, 2022
I hope this is fake news and GEJ doesn't contest.

It just don't feel right
PoliticsRe: 1001 Reasons Why Bonny Indigenous People Will Never Abandon Igbo For Ijaw by JANK23H(m): 6:33pm On Feb 23, 2022
EastisBae:
What else would one expect from juvenile delinquents like you that drink ogogoro all day? Go and tell that to your parents that didn't train you well.
I don't blame you.Nairaland is a faceless forum where age difference is equalized.
PoliticsRe: 1001 Reasons Why Bonny Indigenous People Will Never Abandon Igbo For Ijaw by JANK23H(m): 6:06pm On Feb 23, 2022
EastisBae:
You just want to be unfortunate, where is the chest beating in what I wrote?

Of course, the CV of a great achiever will always appear like bragging to an olodo.

You ijaws have never been mates with Igbos in anything since recorded history.

Before the British arrived Nigeria, it was even recorded that you guys had to rely on iron/metal products from Igboland or abroad because you have no knowledge of how to produce it!

Can you name a single area of life you can compete with Igbos?
I have no time to engage in a debate with you.You are useless and insignificant.You can continue in your self delusions for all I care.
PoliticsRe: 1001 Reasons Why Bonny Indigenous People Will Never Abandon Igbo For Ijaw by JANK23H(m): 6:03pm On Feb 23, 2022
EastisBae:
Why should I organize seminars in Opobo or Ubani/Bonny when they always come to Aba for cultural and traditional relationship. Aba already serves as the headquarters of all Ndoki activities so I would simply go there if I want to have discussions with them.
No,go to Bonny and Opobo not Aba.

Obori!
PoliticsRe: 1001 Reasons Why Bonny Indigenous People Will Never Abandon Igbo For Ijaw by JANK23H(m): 5:45pm On Feb 23, 2022
EastisBae:
Igbos are business minded people who don't like getting involved in territorial issues and that's what is giving you ijaws the guts in trying to encroach into our territories.

You can do that rubbish with fellow minorities and intimidate them into submission but you can't try that with Igbos, we are talking about 40 million strong nation here. We have what it takes to crush you people if you try to dare us. What you've been doing all these years is to hide behind our adversaries to attack us whenever we are facing bigger enemies. Let's assume we are not contending with adversaries/competitors like Hausa/Fulani and Yoruba, and we turn around to focus on you guys, can you survive it?
Stop this chest beating!
Nobody respects Igbos,you are insignificant.If you were as important as you claim,other ethnicities would be jostling to identify with you and not the other way round.Groups will rummage through history and books to connect themselves to you.

I'll reiterate,you overrate yourselves.The more you do these nonsense online and about,the more your stock drops.
PoliticsRe: 1001 Reasons Why Bonny Indigenous People Will Never Abandon Igbo For Ijaw by JANK23H(m): 5:39pm On Feb 23, 2022
EastisBae:
This is for the teeth filing savages grin grin
This phony screenshot after you Igbos altered Bonny and Opobo history on Wikipedia.Good thing it's not a reliable reference material.

Until the day you leave Nairaland and Facebook,and grow some balls to organize seminars and conferences in those locations (Bonny and Opubo).Then I'll take you seriously.For now you are just a group of non-entities seeking online attention.

I'll advise you channel all these energy towards dousing the fire that's beginning to rage in the SE.
AutosRe: Inside Dangote multi Billion naira car assembling plant (photos) by JANK23H(m): 4:50pm On Feb 03, 2022
Amatarasha:
Dangote( group of past fulani military juntas) using our Nigerian money to build trashy companies, may he die a shameful death.
Stop being jealous.If it was someone from your own part of the country you won't be saying this.
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 8:07pm On Feb 01, 2022
Igboid:
Glynn made a hypothesis that Ijaw as a language in Brass, New Calabar (Kalabari) and second language of Bonny, was likely a latter infiltration of those non Ijaw groups by Ijaws through marriage!

You now left the meat of his postulate and started looking for a straw man argument on the use of the phrase "Ijaw country", when Glynn had already by his hypothesis placed Ijaw and Ijaw language as latter day Intruders into those communities.

Are you okay at all?
Oga answer the question!
That phrase is important to that "hypothesis".

Also very good you used "hypothesis".
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 7:43pm On Feb 01, 2022
Alabo7978:
Lol...it's now I know you all don't even know the meaning of those lingua.
Just look at how clownish you seem.
Aminadokiari doesn't actually mean "ama" nadokiari
Lol, and you felt you made sense.
Aminadokiari means (we are looking for our brothers)
Ama means settlement.
They are different.
This f**l why are you like this?
If you don't know about anything, just ask.
Okoloama
Opubo-ama
Krakraama
dieama
Aboneama
Kolokuama
And hundreds of ama in ijo Ethnic space all tally.
Tell me thank you for enlightening you and those other 3 block heads.


And by the way, what is this ama onye na bo nonesense you all have been gibbering about?
Ask him,how come it's only Bonny of all the communities/villages in Igbo land that call their king "ama Onye na bo"
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 7:08pm On Feb 01, 2022
Igboid:
Ijaw country in this sense meant "riverine terrain".
Never did Glynn imply that Ijaws were there first.
He explicitly deduced that Igbo Aboriginals were far away from Igbo hinterland in Bonny and had to depend on Riverine Ijaw neighbors for wives, likewise Efik and Edoid ancestors of New Calabar and Brass respectively.
That was how Ijaw gained ground those places.
Please expantiate on "riverine terrain" I don't know the meaning.I could have checked Google,but I don't know how to.

Between Oguta in Imo state, Bonny and Ado-Ekiti,which of these are "riverine terrain"?Maybe I'll understand better.
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 3:50pm On Feb 01, 2022
SlayerForever:
You're claiming it is Okoloama. Just like you say about aminadokiari. And Opoboama instead of Ama Opobo. Even Amanyanabo is Ama onye nabo. So continue beating about the bush while our people in Bonny continue to be awakened.
Lol...at awakened.

The rejection and anti-igbo sentiment is increasing exponentially.Don't you see it in all the Facebook groups you've infiltrated?
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 3:28pm On Feb 01, 2022
Igboid:
That deduction was made by Glynn not Baike.
Glynn and Baike already stated that Bonny Aboriginals were Igbos.
We had provided receipts on this countless times.
Baike never said that Igbos landed in Bonny as slaves, he explicitly said that Bonny early settlers were Igbos.

See the receipts again, incase you want to develop selective amnesia.
"......coming as they first did into the Ijo country"

That statement is weighty and implied Ijos were met there.
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 3:26pm On Feb 01, 2022
Ekealterego:
When did Baikie mention anything about wife? Baikie categorically stated that Bonny ancestory was unmistakably Igbo. It came from Pepple himself.

When Crow and Baikie came, they confirmed that but also acknowledged that majority are Igbos with some few Brass tribes.
No time in the history of these places have Ijaws ever ever been mentioned. Ijaws were only associated with piracy and river dwelling and of course.

New Calabar are a mixture of people and Igbos being chiefly a part of this. Even Asari acknowledged his father, who was also a titled man, and his grandfather and great-grandfather who were chiefs were Igbo. This is in line with all these ancients Ethnographic text.

That being said, Ijaw is a political expansionist movement rather than a tribe. That's why you all after groups that do not speak your language as far as they have oil and water.
On the contrary,Igbo is political.Can Igbos communicate with their different dialects and understand themselves without using central Igbo.

That excerpt about Igbos having no wives when they arrived Bonny was thoroughly analysed in 9pluto's Bonny thread.
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 3:22pm On Feb 01, 2022
Igboid:
They met no Aboriginals.
The Grand Bonny is a different location from Finima.
But as you can see even Finima has strong Igbo presence from it's founding days.
The non Igbo speaking groups in Finima were the Brass tribe, who were not Ijoid at the beginning.
An what were the Brass tribe from the beginning......Yoruba?

This guy sef.

Finima was founded by Torukobo which is an Ijaw name,all his children had Ijaw names.Is Wari or Diri Edoid or Igboid?The Igbo presence can be attributed to the slaves brought in.
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 3:17pm On Feb 01, 2022
SlayerForever:
This is a season of history. Everybody is revisiting their history to discover the truth. Bonny people are beginning to see the truth.

You know deep within yourself the Igbos are winning.
Winning what?
The land or what?

One day Bonny people go catch one of una,flog una well well.
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 10:08am On Feb 01, 2022
Igboid:
Below is the history of Omuso given by the Amayanabo of Bonny!

Even the Omuso itself was originally from Igboland.
His great grandfather was Nwulu who came to Bonny from Okirika, he begot Ukwu, who was later renamed Buo. Buo gave birth to five sons which Omuso was only one of them.
My educative guess is that the Igbo Aboriginals of Bonny didn't arrive to the island with Igbo women, so they kept marrying Ijaw women who brought the so called Ibani(Kalabari language) to Bonny.

NB: Both Nwulu and Ukwu are unmistakably Igbo names.
Which buttresses our point, that even Glynn himself reinforced, that Ijaw Language infiltrated the entire Eastern Niger Delta from their Kolokuma homeland, through maternal relationships!
You don't have to guess,Baikie I think stated so,that the Igbos who landed in Bonny (as slaves) didn't come with any woman from their tribe.

Now you contradict yourself.You and your co-revisionists had earlier called the Kalabaris Igbo,and stated explicitly that Ijaws were Sierra Leone.At some point you said they lived only in boats as pirates.

It's the other way round.Igbo language infiltrated the Niger Delta, especially Ijaw land through marriage,and it's still going on as I speak in Bayelsa today.
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 9:44am On Feb 01, 2022
Igboid:
Below is the history of Omuso given by the Amayanabo of Bonny!

Even the Omuso itself was originally from Igboland.
His great grandfather was Nwulu who came to Bonny from Okirika, he begot Ukwu, who was later renamed Buo. Buo gave birth to five sons which Omuso was only one of them.
My educative guess is that the Igbo Aboriginals of Bonny didn't arrive to the island with Igbo women, so they kept marrying Ijaw women who brought the so called Ibani(Kalabari language) to Bonny.

NB: Both Nwulu and Ukwu are unmistakably Igbo names.
Which buttresses our point, that even Glynn himself reinforced, that Ijaw Language infiltrated the entire Eastern Niger Delta from their Kolokuma homeland, through maternal relationships!
Read through that thing you posted.It stated clearly the founder of Finiama was Torukubo and that's an Ijaw man.Nwulu like other Igbo slaves was acculturated according to that statement.The statement said Sono bought Onyeasolam,Onyeasolam brought Nwulu from Okirika(who must have been a kin or a slave too).The fact that Omuso spoke Ibani distinguished him from the Igbos.Only an indigene could have spoken it.It was the reason Bonny spoke Ibo,that way the slaves won't understand their language and they'll be able to separate the Aborigines from the Igbo slaves
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m): 9:38am On Feb 01, 2022
Igboid:
Below is the history of Omuso given by the Amayanabo of Bonny!

Even the Omuso itself was originally from Igboland.
His great grandfather was Nwulu who came to Bonny from Okirika, he begot Ukwu, who was later renamed Buo. Buo gave birth to five sons which Omuso was only one of them.
My educative guess is that the Igbo Aboriginals of Bonny didn't arrive to the island with Igbo women, so they kept marrying Ijaw women who brought the so called Ibani(Kalabari language) to Bonny.

NB: Both Nwulu and Ukwu are unmistakably Igbo names.
Which buttresses our point, that even Glynn himself reinforced, that Ijaw Language infiltrated the entire Eastern Niger Delta from their Kolokuma homeland, through maternal relationships!
Igbo Aborigines and yet they met Ijaws there.

I can see the narrative is beginning to change.That'
PoliticsRe: Rejoinder To The Press Release By The Brown Major House On The 24th January 2022 by JANK23H(m):
Alabo7978:
Eastlink dumbo
Get your lying @ss out here...

Look at the above screenshot from JANK23H

As matured as you are, why did you bring stupid lies to make a fool or yourselfhuh
Now how would you explain the above screenshots from JANK23H from the same group you infiltrate to get screenshots from Facebook accounts you and your coven probably created?
Keep fooling yourself, and your other cohorts went as far as mentioning people up and down to come and see this knockout you just flinged but failed to bang.
Joblessness is a disease.
Some body please get help for these drug addicts, or perhaps thicksharon123 should cast you all in her onlyfans next shoot.
I have screenshots of SE Alabo Clement Brown press release.In it they stated clearly their Ijaw ethnicity and chided Asari Dokubo to act responsibly being an Ijaw himself.

The Igbos here have claimed many times that Ijaws only became prominent in Bonny and Opobo after the Civil war.However,the history of the Brown chieftaincy house clearly stated the contrary.Had Omuso not spoken Ibani to the king during his routine check of slave ships,he won't have been saved.

The Igbos here are just too desperate,and it's irritating.That rejoinder was written by a phony group who are trying to be politically correct for their own selfish gain. The screenshots from Bonny people confirms.

I'll still go back to Captain Pereira's mention of the Rio Real and his confirmation that the Jos were the inhabitants, stretching westwards all the way to Brass river and the Forcados.

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