Igboid:
Talbot even finished Ijaw in his book.
He straight up noted that Engenni, Abua, Odual, Degema, are not Ijaw people.
He quickly linked Engenni and co to Isoko(Edoid) and Degema/Abua to Efiks ( Ibibiod).

You just scored an own goal bro.
I will now use this Talbot book and finish you.

By the way, Talbot still quoted Captain Crow that give you lots shivers when it comes to Bonny Igbo origin.

Stop jumping all over the place

Igboid:
This is what Talbot wrote.
Notice he attached "Great" to Igbo!

The peoples of Southern Nigeria by P A Talbot.1926

Igboid:


What?

I said no historical mention of Ijaw in Bonny, and you never provided any evidence to prove that.
We all knew that the teeth filling Jos men terrorized Waters in and around Bonny, but were never recorded as inhabitants of Bonny.

Mhen!

Go rest with that recycled bullshi.t!

mrvitalis:
Handing Jonathan the presidency would be the best thing to ever happen to south ..truth me Fulanis won't smell power for the next 30 years ...Igbos can certainly sheild our ambition for that to happen trust me

Jonathan is an ex presidents knows what to do with power now trust me ...with power of state and south behind him ..it would be easy to install a middle belt Christian and maybe south south Muslim ( yes they exist ) after him ...
Then Igbo and north east Muslim as vice then igbos hand over to north east and Yoruba vice north east hand over to yorubas ...then we can kill zoning

Yeye analysis

mrvitalis:

50% Igbo 50% ijaw

Can i see the proof please.

Of the Ijos Dr. Talbot wrote:

"The population of (Southern Nigeria) is divided into three main groups: Sudanese, Semi-Bantu and Bantu... The Sudanese occupy west and central portions of the country. The most important of their tribes are the Yoruba, Edo-speaking people, the Ijaw, who lived in the Niger Delta, and the Ibo who inhabit the regions between the Niger and the Cross Rivers. . .The most ancient of all are the Ijaws, descendants perhaps of the earliest Negroes who penetrated the West Africa forest"

The linguist Prof. Key Williamson wrote:
". . .Ijoid is highly differentiated from all its neighbors; it is spoken only within the delta. A long period of differentiation from its neighbors must have taken place, and in considerable isolation. It is therefore highly likely that it took place within the Delta. We may assume that the ancestors of the Ijoid moved into Delta at least 7000 years ago and lived in sufficient isolation from their neighbors to develop considerable changes in their own language and remain unaffected by the changes influencing those neighbors"

ccAlabo7876

Igboid:
Nope. The Nubians are a highly organized people capable of great technological and artistic feats.
Ijaws lack these two traits. They were not good in technology ( no metallurgy, construction, etc skills) and arts( no known Ijaw arts), the ones they claim are the Ibibio arts of proto Ibibiod people like Andoni, Ogbia, Abureni, Obulom, and proto Edo people like Udekeme, Engenni and Epie-Attisa.
The real and not Political Ijaw people in Kolokuma Opokuma homeland, are not known for another productive venture beyond rudimentary fishing.

In conclusion. The Ijaws cannot be Nubians.

Same way you said no historical mention of Ijos anywhere until you I presented them to you.If I show you Ijo arts now,you'll ascribe it to other tribes like you've just done to diminish our achievements.

Keep fooling yourself.

Alabo7978:
every Europeans called us Oru, even the name you want to claim.
Na wa o

It's jealousy Alabo.They think so highly of themselves that they wouldn't accept that some other ethnicities are/did greater things than they've done.

Similar way whites stole the achievement of some black people, simple because they can't accept that a black man can do anything great.Hence a lot of black history was wiped out and some revised to their favour.

As for your thread,I can't speak authoritatively on our link to ancient Egypt.What I do know is that several European scholars, especially Portuguese and Dutch have described the Ijos as one of the most ancient tribes in Africa.

SlayerForever:
Ijaw keep claiming the word Oru but yet they have no tangible explanation as regards the term Oru.

Let me tell you what I think. I think the Orus were actually Riverine Igbos that were in existence from the beginning of the Igbo race. Oru is more evenly spread and established across Igbo society that in Ijaw society. Oru appears a foreign concept in ijaw origin.

The Oru would be joined by the Ijaw people in a migration much later, and over generations the two became thoroughly mixed. Hence, Ijaw superimposed or more probably eroded the practices of the riverine Oru Igbos they came upon, leaving only the name Oru as survivor from that era, and from then the ijaw we know today continued in existence.

That is my explanation of Oru's awkward existence in Ijaw today.

Don't tell us what you think.That's not what scholars do.There are several literature that ascribe that appellation to Ijos.We also call ourselves Orus too.That is an ancient Ijo appellation.

I hope this is fake news and GEJ doesn't contest.

It just don't feel right

EastisBae:


What else would one expect from juvenile delinquents like you that drink ogogoro all day? Go and tell that to your parents that didn't train you well.

I don't blame you.Nairaland is a faceless forum where age difference is equalized.

EastisBae:


You just want to be unfortunate, where is the chest beating in what I wrote?

Of course, the CV of a great achiever will always appear like bragging to an olodo.

You ijaws have never been mates with Igbos in anything since recorded history.

Before the British arrived Nigeria, it was even recorded that you guys had to rely on iron/metal products from Igboland or abroad because you have no knowledge of how to produce it!

Can you name a single area of life you can compete with Igbos?

I have no time to engage in a debate with you.You are useless and insignificant.You can continue in your self delusions for all I care.

EastisBae:


Why should I organize seminars in Opobo or Ubani/Bonny when they always come to Aba for cultural and traditional relationship. Aba already serves as the headquarters of all Ndoki activities so I would simply go there if I want to have discussions with them.

No,go to Bonny and Opobo not Aba.

Obori!

EastisBae:
Igbos are business minded people who don't like getting involved in territorial issues and that's what is giving you ijaws the guts in trying to encroach into our territories.

You can do that rubbish with fellow minorities and intimidate them into submission but you can't try that with Igbos, we are talking about 40 million strong nation here. We have what it takes to crush you people if you try to dare us. What you've been doing all these years is to hide behind our adversaries to attack us whenever we are facing bigger enemies. Let's assume we are not contending with adversaries/competitors like Hausa/Fulani and Yoruba, and we turn around to focus on you guys, can you survive it?

Stop this chest beating!
Nobody respects Igbos,you are insignificant.If you were as important as you claim,other ethnicities would be jostling to identify with you and not the other way round.Groups will rummage through history and books to connect themselves to you.

I'll reiterate,you overrate yourselves.The more you do these nonsense online and about,the more your stock drops.

EastisBae:
This is for the teeth filing savages

This phony screenshot after you Igbos altered Bonny and Opobo history on Wikipedia.Good thing it's not a reliable reference material.

Until the day you leave Nairaland and Facebook,and grow some balls to organize seminars and conferences in those locations (Bonny and Opubo).Then I'll take you seriously.For now you are just a group of non-entities seeking online attention.

I'll advise you channel all these energy towards dousing the fire that's beginning to rage in the SE.

Amatarasha:
Dangote( group of past fulani military juntas) using our Nigerian money to build trashy companies, may he die a shameful death.

Stop being jealous.If it was someone from your own part of the country you won't be saying this.

Igboid:


Glynn made a hypothesis that Ijaw as a language in Brass, New Calabar (Kalabari) and second language of Bonny, was likely a latter infiltration of those non Ijaw groups by Ijaws through marriage!

You now left the meat of his postulate and started looking for a straw man argument on the use of the phrase "Ijaw country", when Glynn had already by his hypothesis placed Ijaw and Ijaw language as latter day Intruders into those communities.

Are you okay at all?

Oga answer the question!
That phrase is important to that "hypothesis".

Also very good you used "hypothesis".

Alabo7978:

Lol...it's now I know you all don't even know the meaning of those lingua.
Just look at how clownish you seem.
Aminadokiari doesn't actually mean "ama" nadokiari
Lol, and you felt you made sense.
Aminadokiari means (we are looking for our brothers)
Ama means settlement.
They are different.
This f**l why are you like this?
If you don't know about anything, just ask.
Okoloama
Opubo-ama
Krakraama
dieama
Aboneama
Kolokuama
And hundreds of ama in ijo Ethnic space all tally.
Tell me thank you for enlightening you and those other 3 block heads.


And by the way, what is this ama onye na bo nonesense you all have been gibbering about?

Ask him,how come it's only Bonny of all the communities/villages in Igbo land that call their king "ama Onye na bo"

Igboid:


Ijaw country in this sense meant "riverine terrain".
Never did Glynn imply that Ijaws were there first.
He explicitly deduced that Igbo Aboriginals were far away from Igbo hinterland in Bonny and had to depend on Riverine Ijaw neighbors for wives, likewise Efik and Edoid ancestors of New Calabar and Brass respectively.
That was how Ijaw gained ground those places.

Please expantiate on "riverine terrain" I don't know the meaning.I could have checked Google,but I don't know how to.

Between Oguta in Imo state, Bonny and Ado-Ekiti,which of these are "riverine terrain"?Maybe I'll understand better.

SlayerForever:



You're claiming it is Okoloama. Just like you say about aminadokiari. And Opoboama instead of Ama Opobo. Even Amanyanabo is Ama onye nabo. So continue beating about the bush while our people in Bonny continue to be awakened.

Lol...at awakened.

The rejection and anti-igbo sentiment is increasing exponentially.Don't you see it in all the Facebook groups you've infiltrated?

Igboid:


That deduction was made by Glynn not Baike.
Glynn and Baike already stated that Bonny Aboriginals were Igbos.
We had provided receipts on this countless times.
Baike never said that Igbos landed in Bonny as slaves, he explicitly said that Bonny early settlers were Igbos.

See the receipts again, incase you want to develop selective amnesia.

"......coming as they first did into the Ijo country"

That statement is weighty and implied Ijos were met there.

Ekealterego:


When did Baikie mention anything about wife? Baikie categorically stated that Bonny ancestory was unmistakably Igbo. It came from Pepple himself.

When Crow and Baikie came, they confirmed that but also acknowledged that majority are Igbos with some few Brass tribes.
No time in the history of these places have Ijaws ever ever been mentioned. Ijaws were only associated with piracy and river dwelling and of course.

New Calabar are a mixture of people and Igbos being chiefly a part of this. Even Asari acknowledged his father, who was also a titled man, and his grandfather and great-grandfather who were chiefs were Igbo. This is in line with all these ancients Ethnographic text.

That being said, Ijaw is a political expansionist movement rather than a tribe. That's why you all after groups that do not speak your language as far as they have oil and water.

On the contrary,Igbo is political.Can Igbos communicate with their different dialects and understand themselves without using central Igbo.

That excerpt about Igbos having no wives when they arrived Bonny was thoroughly analysed in 9pluto's Bonny thread.

Igboid:


They met no Aboriginals.
The Grand Bonny is a different location from Finima.
But as you can see even Finima has strong Igbo presence from it's founding days.
The non Igbo speaking groups in Finima were the Brass tribe, who were not Ijoid at the beginning.

An what were the Brass tribe from the beginning......Yoruba?

This guy sef.

Finima was founded by Torukobo which is an Ijaw name,all his children had Ijaw names.Is Wari or Diri Edoid or Igboid?The Igbo presence can be attributed to the slaves brought in.

SlayerForever:



This is a season of history. Everybody is revisiting their history to discover the truth. Bonny people are beginning to see the truth.

You know deep within yourself the Igbos are winning.

Winning what?
The land or what?

One day Bonny people go catch one of una,flog una well well.

Igboid:
Below is the history of Omuso given by the Amayanabo of Bonny!

Even the Omuso itself was originally from Igboland.
His great grandfather was Nwulu who came to Bonny from Okirika, he begot Ukwu, who was later renamed Buo. Buo gave birth to five sons which Omuso was only one of them.
My educative guess is that the Igbo Aboriginals of Bonny didn't arrive to the island with Igbo women, so they kept marrying Ijaw women who brought the so called Ibani(Kalabari language) to Bonny.

NB: Both Nwulu and Ukwu are unmistakably Igbo names.
Which buttresses our point, that even Glynn himself reinforced, that Ijaw Language infiltrated the entire Eastern Niger Delta from their Kolokuma homeland, through maternal relationships!

You don't have to guess,Baikie I think stated so,that the Igbos who landed in Bonny (as slaves) didn't come with any woman from their tribe.

Now you contradict yourself.You and your co-revisionists had earlier called the Kalabaris Igbo,and stated explicitly that Ijaws were Sierra Leone.At some point you said they lived only in boats as pirates.

It's the other way round.Igbo language infiltrated the Niger Delta, especially Ijaw land through marriage,and it's still going on as I speak in Bayelsa today.

Igboid:
Below is the history of Omuso given by the Amayanabo of Bonny!

Even the Omuso itself was originally from Igboland.
His great grandfather was Nwulu who came to Bonny from Okirika, he begot Ukwu, who was later renamed Buo. Buo gave birth to five sons which Omuso was only one of them.
My educative guess is that the Igbo Aboriginals of Bonny didn't arrive to the island with Igbo women, so they kept marrying Ijaw women who brought the so called Ibani(Kalabari language) to Bonny.

NB: Both Nwulu and Ukwu are unmistakably Igbo names.
Which buttresses our point, that even Glynn himself reinforced, that Ijaw Language infiltrated the entire Eastern Niger Delta from their Kolokuma homeland, through maternal relationships!

Read through that thing you posted.It stated clearly the founder of Finiama was Torukubo and that's an Ijaw man.Nwulu like other Igbo slaves was acculturated according to that statement.The statement said Sono bought Onyeasolam,Onyeasolam brought Nwulu from Okirika(who must have been a kin or a slave too).The fact that Omuso spoke Ibani distinguished him from the Igbos.Only an indigene could have spoken it.It was the reason Bonny spoke Ibo,that way the slaves won't understand their language and they'll be able to separate the Aborigines from the Igbo slaves

Igboid:
Below is the history of Omuso given by the Amayanabo of Bonny!

Even the Omuso itself was originally from Igboland.
His great grandfather was Nwulu who came to Bonny from Okirika, he begot Ukwu, who was later renamed Buo. Buo gave birth to five sons which Omuso was only one of them.
My educative guess is that the Igbo Aboriginals of Bonny didn't arrive to the island with Igbo women, so they kept marrying Ijaw women who brought the so called Ibani(Kalabari language) to Bonny.

NB: Both Nwulu and Ukwu are unmistakably Igbo names.
Which buttresses our point, that even Glynn himself reinforced, that Ijaw Language infiltrated the entire Eastern Niger Delta from their Kolokuma homeland, through maternal relationships!

Igbo Aborigines and yet they met Ijaws there.

I can see the narrative is beginning to change.That'

Alabo7978:
Eastlink dumbo
Get your lying @ss out here...

Look at the above screenshot from JANK23H

As matured as you are, why did you bring stupid lies to make a fool or yourself
Now how would you explain the above screenshots from JANK23H from the same group you infiltrate to get screenshots from Facebook accounts you and your coven probably created?
Keep fooling yourself, and your other cohorts went as far as mentioning people up and down to come and see this knockout you just flinged but failed to bang.
Joblessness is a disease.
Some body please get help for these drug addicts, or perhaps thicksharon123 should cast you all in her onlyfans next shoot.

I have screenshots of SE Alabo Clement Brown press release.In it they stated clearly their Ijaw ethnicity and chided Asari Dokubo to act responsibly being an Ijaw himself.

The Igbos here have claimed many times that Ijaws only became prominent in Bonny and Opobo after the Civil war.However,the history of the Brown chieftaincy house clearly stated the contrary.Had Omuso not spoken Ibani to the king during his routine check of slave ships,he won't have been saved.

The Igbos here are just too desperate,and it's irritating.That rejoinder was written by a phony group who are trying to be politically correct for their own selfish gain. The screenshots from Bonny people confirms.

I'll still go back to Captain Pereira's mention of the Rio Real and his confirmation that the Jos were the inhabitants, stretching westwards all the way to Brass river and the Forcados.

[quote author=SlayerForever post=109849949][/quote]
You bring a nonsense write-up from a phony group and present it as though it were the statement of the Bonny.Una go die of hypertension o!

Have you seen the press statement of the Brown house stating clearly that Bonny and Finima are Ijaws?

This is the same Facebook group you infiltrate and select comments made by your fellow Igbos.

Now I know and can confirm this woman is MAD!

Someone take the mic from her hand. What is CAN doing about her?

She is ridiculing Christianity.

ijawcitizen:
My Ijo brothers, I greet you all.
A mie ka'm
A mie ba'm

I am an old timer on Nairaland and I stopped responding to these lunatic, hollow headed, ignorance relishing, deranged and desperate igbo irrendentists and irritants on Nairaland but pls permit me to drop one of my old bombs from yester years.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/why-we-dont-speak-igbo-at-our-meetings-ohanaeze/




Former National Secretary of Ohanaeze, Professor Ben Nwabueze, SAN, who spoke, lamented that Ndigbo do not speak the Igbo language to themselves because most of them were promoting their various dialects instead of speaking the central Igbo. There are as many Igbo dialects as there are communities.

Nwabueze, who spoke at an Igbo language programme organized by the Igbo Youth Movement, IYM, for secondary school students in Enugu, said that Ohanaeze Ndigbo once decided that its meetings and activities would be conducted in Igbo, but this did not work because there were several Igbo dialects spoken in various parts of Igbo nation unlike Hausa or Yoruba which had acceptable central language.

“We once said at an Ohanaeze meeting that all our meetings would be conducted in Igbo because we realized that our language was dying, but this did not work. The first day we decided that we must speak Igbo in our meetings, the late governor of Anambra State, Chief C. C. Onoh spoke his own brand of WAWA Igbo.

“Onoh spoke at length and most people did not understand what he was saying. Every other person spoke his own dialect and at the end, nobody spoke Igbo again at Ohanaeze because none of us understood one another’s dialect,” he said.

Also contributing, the former Registrar of the West African Examinations Council, WAEC, and now traditional ruler, Professor Chukwuemeka Ike, blamed the inability of Ndigbo to speak Igbo on the missionaries who established schools in Igbo land.

Ike said that when he went to the then Government College, Umuahia in the present Abia State, it was an offence to speak Igbo in the school premises.

“When I went to Government College, it was an offence to speak Igbo in the school then. When I left the college, I travelled overseas for further studies. Writers should publish their books in both English and Igbo languages …,” he added. Also speaking, the former Vice President, Dr. Alex Ekwueme, said that Igbo language should not be allowed to die.

On why Ndigbo do not speak their language, Ekwueme said that this was because, “English language is a predator to Igbo,” just as Hausa is the predator to Angas, spoken by the former Head of State, General Yakubu Gowon’s people.

“Gowon’s father was the leader of his people in the Anglican Church. The Bible was first translated to Angas language, but nobody read it because Hausa is predator to Angas. Igbo Bible is not read because English is the predator to Igbo.

“The Hausa Bible which was translated after the Angas Bible is widely read, but that of the Angas did not sell,” he said. John Okafor, aka Ibu, an actor, also lamented that the average “Igbo child cannot tell you where he comes from. He will tell you that his/her father has not told him the name of his village. This is not good. We must speak our language,” Ibu said.

Binaowei mbana.

I've been here since 2011, and observed from the sidelines how you tried without success to educate these Oporopos.

My response sometimes is for the sake of the neutrals here so they don't get twisted information.

Anonymous15:

Ok.

Fantastic response!

Let her wallow in her stupidity.

She is obviously an attention seeker who didn't open the thread to learn anything.