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jaephoenix:
3. Do you know the source of the fibrinogen concentrate talked about in your screenshotyou ignorantly posted? I guess not. It comes from BLOOD. You can Google it up. So your fellow JW took a blood by product and it saved his live, and you disgustingly splashed it here

But the risk is there depending on the dose and what we call idiosyncratic reactions"

Mbok,I choose fibrinogen,no matter it's side effects.
Even your BT & paracetamol get side effects.

Jaephoenix medical HYPOCRITE without SABIFICATE dey vex when I exercise my fundamental rights recognised by his fellow Medical Professionals who have SABIFICATE.
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oteneaaron:
Lol.

Took the words out my mouth.

You say you don't accept blood transfusions, but you still accept blood fractions gotten from the same BLOOD.

It's like saying you don't eat dog meat but still go ahead to eat soup made with dog meat.

The hypocrisy of Jehovah's Witnesses is legendary.

Courz alias Oteneaaron continue WAILING

Jaephoenix @7:02pm ,14th April,2023
Listen. There is no drug, vaccine, procedure, operation etc in this world without a side effect. None.

KnownUnknown:
If someone is stupid enough to refuse blood transfusion when needed because of the opinion of eight bastards in some shithole town in New York, let them!

jaephoenix:
I heard they are ordered not to attend universities? Is that true?

JWs no dey school for UNiCAL , the school you claimed you graduated from?

You know the truth but prefer to DECEIVE yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
When i told him that he's just a slave of those white supremacists he will say i'm insulting him!

Your customer insisted on something and those that taught you how to be a physician are desperately working towards finding a way forward but you remain in one place calling your customer brainwashed & robot

My brother these guys are liars because real professionals in any business targets customers not hating people who will bring you money!

My younger one had EM Surgery just last year here.
She is doing very well without BT, how much we spend sef (about talking about 6 months ago !)

The HLC were very actively involved in cooperation with Medical Professionals & my family members in the medical profession.

The Atheist guy get certificate him no SABIFICATE.

jaephoenix:
1. Ok. So we're now into bloodless surgery realm. Cool. Bro, I love bloodless surgery. If I have an option of giving a patient with fibroid endoscopic myomectomy, Ultrasound treatment or open myomectomy, I'll choose the former 2 over open myomectomy, because I won't have to transfuse her. But there's a problem.
Endoscopic myomectomy(EM) and US treatment cost a ton. Here is the problems of bloodless surgery.
A. They cost a lot of money.
Lets get to perspective now. Average cost of open myomectomy is about 200k. Bloodless solutions like endoscopic myomectomy is 1.5m. And ultrasound treatment is 2.5m. Need I explain further?
B. They arent for all cases.
A fibroid of 30 weeks is out of the scope for both our bloodless options because either they are too big to pass through the scope or too big to dissolve via ultrasound. This is where open myomectomy comes in.
C. Unavailability
Bloodless options like EM and US arent readily available. Not all gynecologists can do them and definitely not all cities have them. A city like Lagos has only 3 centers offering EM while US solution has just one(Nordica, and my gynecologist cousin who runs it says the machine is the only one in West Africa). Now you can't blame the gynecologists for lack of motivation to learn how to do endoscopic surgeries. In a city as big as Lagos, there may be only 100 scopic surgeries in a year. Unline open myomectomy you can have 2000. So why learn the skills, acquire the machine and idle away? Demand determines supply.
2. I can go on about the issues of bloodless surgery in a resource poor environment like Nigeria is, but the dolts in debating with are responding like robots. I kept on asking them to give me management guidelines for specific emergency scenarios I listed, but they have been giving me stupid and idiotic replies ranging from taking leaves to using blood subs and bloodless surgeries. This only shows how deep their brainwashing has gone. When a robots gives you the same rehearsed replies for different questions, you have to fear for mental capabilities

Courz:
Watchtower just released a new Morning worship video in their website that talks about the Voice of the Governing body likened to the Voice of Jesus. Therefore, submitting to the Governing body means submitting to the authority and Voice of Jesus.

So, I ask, is Jesus Fallible, Not inspired by the Holy Spirit and capable of making errors in decisions and directions like the Governing body? If so, asThe Word of God[/b] who speaks for his Father, doesn't that mean that God is fallible, not inspired and is capable of making mistakes in decisions and directions?



I only type gibberish as the only GIBBERISH master.

jaephoenix:
No they didn't.
But does JW folks cover the sins of their kind? Hell yeah!
Do you now see you how you repeatedly shot yourself in the foot

How does 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,9-13 amount to a cover up?

I be think say you get brain

jaephoenix:
You know, you guys have an uncanny knack for twisting and turning the buybull. Did you read the deposition of your fellow self-servicer where he posted a passage about Paul telling some folks to kick out sinners?

bobestman:
guy abeg help me with the phone no of the leader of your scamming organisation. I wan ask am where he get the spell he take bound una brains to make una this stupid and foolish

Mumu, you want the Law to uphold your rights but you are moaning & WAILING to deny my rights.

Your mumu bad Gaan

jaephoenix:
Bro, blood subs are a good idea. I would gladly have them if I or my loved ones is in need of blood. But the issue is we haven't gotten subs good enough or readily available to take the place of blood. I have listed scenarios where even blood subs even if available would still be useless.
As for your folks that refuse blood, we usually we give them a form to fill to exonerate us. If they wanna commit suicide, its their business. But these days governments are coming hard on you guys. The UK government is now forcing babies of JWs to receive blood transfusions even when their idiotic parents refuse. They can't impose their stupidity on another human.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jehovahs-witness-blood-transfusion-doctor-judge-ruling-girl-leeds-nhs-trust-religion-a8977066.html

And recently Lagos state government backed some doctors that transfused a severely jaundiced baby.
https://punchng.com/lasg-jehovahs-witnesses-clash-over-blood-transfusion-for-baby/?amp
Janosky that was screaming there are subs for blood for neonatal jaundice, why didn't your colleague give those blood subs to his baby, right?
So bro Max, pray for science to provide better blood subs and make them readily available. So hospitals won't be going on regular blood drives. Til then good ol' blood is your best bet!

Una see this LYING medical crook of a doctor on Nairaland?

Nah which post did you & Janosky ever discuss about neonatal jaundice?

You are seeking every avenue to express your bias for the choices I make.
Chai !!!!

jaephoenix:
I never told you blood subs, bloodless surgeries etc arent wonderdul. Matter of fact, I'd love to have them. But I have listed 3 scenarios(out of many) where they are useless. Yet for the past 48hours all you provide is rants and screenshots that don't address my question.
How much of this brainwashing was done on you guys? It seems to get worse as ya'll get older.

Mr doctor, continue to WAIL until kingdom come.
Your medical ethics says you have no right to Force your RANTS, CHOICE of treatment on me.


Prejudiced Ozuo

jaephoenix:
Simple question. What was the diagnosis and his Packed Cell Volume PCV?
Besides I gave you scenarios which you dimwits have ignored. Run these scenarios by your HLC. Better still, tell them a doc on Nairaland is challenging them. Then get back to me. Send me a dm when they do

MightySparrow:
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are enemies of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is His adversary.
JWs

jaephoenix:
This child molestation thing again. Cant these lowlifes keep their hands off children. Every time I Google up news about JW, its mostly about child molestation and sexual assault. And Max would say its all good, and call his folks peaceful etc. Damn!

Courz:
Banter ke? When I was in the Cult, my own Father along with other Elders and Ministerial servants were removed by a Circuit Overseer under the orders of Watchtower because they either had children in University or were attending University at the time. I know of a Congregation coordinator who is hiding the fact that his daughter is in the University just because he wants to remain a Congregation Coordinator.

Courz:
This is the Lady who made that Revelation about the real reason of his removal. She is also a Victim who was sexually abused at 9 months by her Father. I went to her TikTok and she explained how widespread this Child molestation is in different congregations in the US. She actually said it was Child Sex Trafficking that was going on and was covered up.

In order to understand why Child Sexual Abuse cases are so rampant in JW, you will need to understand what kind of Cult it is. It is a Freemason Cult disguised as a Christian Religion. Look at many religions that operate as Cults. They all have Child Sexual Abuse cases. Why? Because of who they really are. If you do your research and listen to Ex Masons and understand how Freemasonry works, you will understand that Child Sexual Abuse is part of their worship. It is a Must because it has some Spiritual significance to people who practise it. So, Child Sexual Abuse can never go away as long as their roots are Satanic.

The screenshots PROVEN evidence that
Sexual abuse occurs in Deeper Life, ALL Pentecostals, ALL adherents of Christendom, Buddhists, every creed , just name them.

But Courz alias Oteneaaron IBERIBEISM is incurable.

jaephoenix:
This child molestation thing again. Cant these lowlifes keep their hands off children. Every time I Google up news about JW, its mostly about child molestation and sexual assault. And Max would say its all good, and call his folks peaceful etc. Damn!

Even your fellow Atheists molest children and are serving time in jails across the globe.

Your so called education nah just to collect certificate, what if you no go school at all?
Ozuo

jaephoenix:
I don't understand. What has eating albumin, egg got to do with blood transfusion?
Fibrinogen is a clotting factor, I think its Factor 2. It is present in blood. So if you take fibrinogen concentrate, you've still taken blood. The same bacteria, viruses etc you've been running away from is still there. And in this case it is concentrated, so possibly more viruses.
Are you really this dense in real life?

oteneaaron:
Lol.

Took the words out my mouth.

You say you don't accept blood transfusions, but you still accept blood fractions gotten from the same BLOOD.

It's like saying you don't eat dog meat but still go ahead to eat soup made with dog meat.

The hypocrisy of Jehovah's Witnesses is legendary.

jaephoenix:
3. Do you know the source of the fibrinogen concentrate talked about in your screenshotyou ignorantly posted? I guess not. It comes from BLOOD. You can Google it up. So your fellow JW took a blood by product and it saved his live, and you disgustingly splashed it here

What of Albumin in the egg you eat?
When you eat eggs are you eating blood?

Oga, carry your bias and prejudices outta here.

Slowpoke Atheists.

Courz:
JWs who have committed crimes and are still committing crimes are welcome to Watchtower. That's how desperate they are for members. Watchtower even has a letter sent to a Congregation asking their Elders not to reveal the fact that a Murderer is in their midst. Then look at their Pedophiles they pamper there. Come on. Mad MaxInDHouse will come and twist everything for you. He won't give you a straight answer. Mad MaxInDHouse claimed that JWs will not pick up guns to kill but a simple Google search will give you JWs that have killed people and their Watchtower is an investor of War. In fact there is a recent news story of a JW Man who shot his wife because he needed to marry another woman. He thought Watchtower will cover him and he will remain as a approved member of JW still. Leave these JwS to continue deceiving themselves. When they are tired of pretending, they will wake up.

jaephoenix:
Now lets talk about blood substitutes. Adverse effects associated with hemoglobin-based oxygen carrier blood susbtitutes include hypertension, abdominal pain, skin rash, diarrhea, jaundice, hemoglobinuria, oliguria, fever, stroke, and laboratory anomalies such as an elevation in lipase levels etc. Adverse effects of erythropoietin, another blood substitute is hypertension and stroke. Also due to the delayed onset of erythropoiesis, it is contraindicated for acute correction of severe anemia or emergency transfusion. [/b]It should be used cautiously with patients who have a history of seizures. In patients with cancer receiving hormonal agents, biologic products, or radiotherapy.
Now whats the use of blood substitute if its side effect profile are similar to actual blood, and its also very costly and unavailable, add to that, it can't be used in all emergencies?
Ignorant peeps like you think we docs hate blood substitutes. Lol. I don't have anything against it. But if there is a more readily available, better and cheaper option, why not get it?

jaephoenix:
You know, when you add ignorance to stupidity, you end up with a very volatile mixture.
1. This is just an example of the side effects of half knowledge.
Listen. There is no drug, vaccine, procedure, operation etc in this world without a side effect. None. Even your paracetamol that you abuse can give you liver disease and kill you. The vitamin C you also abuse can cause kidney stones and kidney failure. Does it mean everyone that take Vit C and paracetamol can have all those? Hell no! But the risk is there depending on the dose and what we call idiosyncratic reactions. I had a patient who had permanent darkening of her whole body from just taking paracetamol. And no, it wasn't a fake one. Its just how her body metabolized the drug. I can as well post side effects of paracetamol and warn everyone not to take it.
What's my point? Would you rather avoid drugs, vaccines, surgeries, blood transfusions etc because there may be side effects? No! We try to make these drugs as safe as possible and prescribe the right doses. For blood transfusions, the risks are there from infections, electrolyte ish etc but as years go by, we make them safer via better screening processes. The screenshots about BT causing cancers and heart attacks are so far-fetched they are negligible. I have practiced for 16 years, with countless blood transfusions. Yet the only issue I have had is febrile reactions which resolved after a while.

Oga,go & update your medical professional skills and STOP abusing your prospective patients on this forum.

Is BT the only form of medical treatment?
No !

You claim to be a medical doctor but are very biased & insult JWs for choosing a form of
Medical treatment APPROVED by medical services & recognised by Law.
Oga,You are telling this forum that you NEVER Sabi blood less medical practice by your insults & bias expressed on this forum.

jaephoenix:
Lol. This makes my day. Again lol.
I would have stopped engaging you for the health of my brain cells, but I'm torn between comedy and health.
1. There are what we call indications for alternative blood transfusion. Indications mean instances where they are given. Acute blood loss requires blood, especially in this part of the world. If you Max(in Nigeria), have an acute blood loss and request for artificial blood instead of real blood, you'll surely bleed to death. No caps. Even though they are trying to make better blood substitutes, they are not readily available in Nigeria due to our problems. So what are you gonna do?
2. If you can read, which I doubt you do, you'll see there has been research on going for blood substitutes since the 15th century, well before JW rascals came on this earth. And this researches have been providing blood substitutes which is almost like the real blood (but not quite). And they keep on doing their work. So which JW taught them? Do you guys even fund any of those researches?
I don't feel like cussing you out but keep on exposing your ignorance for my risible pleasure.

jaephoenix:
That's not the point of that passage your colleague posted, was it? He was defending you guys action of harboring rapists and molesters.

MaxInDHouse:
But you prefer war to settling matters peacefully:


So you're a prospective killer!

jaephoenix:
Bro, don't even go there. Blood transfusion literally gives life.
1. That's woman bleeding from Post Partum Hemorrhage would instantly open her eyes when you hang blood on her. Once you hang the blood and continue the uterine massage and hang your oxycotin drip in the other hand, she is safe.
2. That man that has a lacerated spleen or liver(the commonly damaged internal organs during road accidents) or carotid gets to love once blood is one with crystalloids also infusing. While you wheel to the theater for the explorative laparotomy
3. Once that baby that has severe jaundice receives the exchange blood transfusion, s/he would be active, skin color changes and life comes back.
I just remembered one JW with post partum hemorrhage, that was begging her hubby not to let her die while she bled out. I wanted to cry.
The hubby just stood looking. See eh, forget, religion is a crime. Whoever invented it is the real devil. This man stood watching his wife die because of what some 8 balded idiots in the US said

jaephoenix:
That's part of what got me to deconvert. Christianity alone has thousands of splinter denominations, each saying their own pot of soup is the best, and claiming the rest would burn in hell. I debated with myself, being a Christian isn't even enough, so I have to be in the right sect to earn the Pearly Gates ticket.
So if I make the wrong choice of sect, I'd still burn in hell like the rest of Muslims, Buddhists etc. And all because Yahweh sent us his book which contains stupid contradictions and barefaced lies. [/b]And this book spawned lots of denominations and splinter groups.
[b]Eventually I got my answer. It was all made for human control ;[/b]D

[b]Oh I see, you are a Atheist.

You got your answer from your imperfect fellow man who claims he knows better

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, what scenario did Serena have that she received alternative blood transfusion? Even the doctors in the US would tell you there are limitations to those alternatives and being in a reseource poor environment like Nigeria, you won't have it handy. Take for example Erythropoietin and iron sucrose . Its very costly and thus not easily available. It costs 40k to 50k weekly. And given 2x weekly. And guess what, this is for chronic anemia which happens in kidney disease or cancer.
In acute anemia, you need blood, straight up . Ask any doctor you meet. Also ask your Kingdom hall pastors(or whatever you call them),if they are honest, they'll tell you its not indicated in all cases of blood loss or anemia.
2. When you say White Supremacist gave us crap I laugh at you. Are those 8 bald headed vultures in the US that control your brain cells blacks? But if they tell you, "Max stop eating" you'll gladly ask them "for how many days?"
Unfortunately I'm not built that way. I have a thinking machine sitting on my neck. I ask questions.
Also those 'White Supremacists' gave us modern medicine. The thing with medicine is it works in any part of the world you are in. So you cant use a different drug for different ailments. Its the same. The issue is availability. There are better blood alternatives in the US, even though they take the place of real blood. But those alternatives aren't available for the average Nigerian here..
Your Serena Williams didn't have those scenarios I listed there, so please shove your ignorance where the sun don't shine

Oga, STOP LYING.
Speaking from experience, this happened early last year.
In a reputable Hospital, my younger one was diagnosed with acute anemia (caused by a serious health issue undetected before then) & she was treated successfully without BT.
JWs already know what to do before emergencies arise,we have mechanisms to address this matter.
But, sometimes, some of us may delay in taking swift action at the appropriate time....


Oga, JWs would love to cooperate with you & ensure our JW brothers receive the best of health care you can provide,of course without BT.

Would you welcome this initiative?
Pls, let me know.

jaephoenix:
Ok now, things are getting interesting.
1. Which creator? Eledumare? Thor? Flying Spaghetti Monster? Yahweh? Allah?
2. I may be wrong but I haven't seen any medical school, both undergraduate and postgraduate, created or being trained by any 'creator'. Where is such located? Your Kingdom hall?

3. Im aware some leafy vegetables are sources of hematogenous vitamins like vitamin B complex, but they are useless in all those scenarios I listed
4.
This is what your verse says
14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth
Blood isn't food. Food gives rise to calories. Those calories are what gives nutrients to cells. Blood gives oxygen to cells for important biochemical reactions.
5. Again I ask, WHAT IS THE FRUIT THAT GIVES BLOOD?
Your buybull didn’t give the name of the fruit