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Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 12:10am On Jun 12
Emusan:
(1)
The clear difference between me and you shows how we use God's word to support our claim. It means I study God's word more than you.


(2)
No! You people always change 'BY' to 'THROUGH' substitute each and see that your claim isn't following the context.

'Jesus is the Beginning of the creation through God'

That is why, no known scholar ever translated that in such way.
(3).
And the best rendering is 'He is the ORIGIN/SOURCE/ARCHE of God's creation'


Of course, you can put forth the meaning here and let's figure it out together.



See where the manipulation started grin cheesy grin
So, you mean God lied in Genesis that what He created IN THE BEGINNING Was not Jesus

Just continue.

(4)
Now, see how the word you are hiding exposed you.
You used 'BY' for God but when it gets to the Son(JESUS) you used THROUGH when in fact both mean the same thing.

(5)
I keep saying it, if not because you people are very dishonest, to be brainwashed by Watchtower will be so difficult.

(6)
So, Rev 3:14 isn't that Jesus is the FIRST CREATED BEING.

But without Jesus NOTHING WAS MADE.

(cool
By the was, you just confirmed above that Jesus is the Creator if you can honestly use 'BY' appropriately.
Let's itemize the lies in your post & highlight them.
(1).
Oga, you don't.
One evidence is that your expression "THROUGH God" (Greek DIA) is not in Rev 3:14.
Oga,your claim is false.

(2).
Screenshot evidence Greek DIA definition is "THROUGH, by means of" , for example John 1:3.

(3)
Screenshot evidence: ARKHE meaning Beginning at Rev 3:14.
Not Origin/Source.

4. "Through God" is not in any Greek manuscript of Rev 3:14.
Emusan invented that .

But,
"The beginning of the creation of (or by) God". Very correct.

(5) Oga, with evidences of (1) to (4), Emusan your claim is not true.
"1980 is the beginning of Nigeria winning AFCON titles".
Oga, does it mean that 1980 is not among Nigeria winning AFCON?
No.
Therefore,Jesus is a creation of Jehovah God.
Jesus is the beginning of creation of God",because we don't REMOVE 1980 from the beginning of Nigeria winning AFCON
Oga, just continue deceiving yourself.
grin grin grin grin

Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 11:53pm On Jun 09
Emusan:
So God was lying in Genesis 1:1 that what He created IN THE BEGINNING was Heavens and the Earth.

Continue.
Just cool down, you know how it normally ends.

Oga, why you no dey study your own Bible ?
Jesus Christ is teaching you that @ Revelation 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God".
Oga , go and learn the meaning of Revelation, it seems you don't know.
Revelation 3:14, Jesus is " the beginning of the Creation by God" was not revealed in Genesis 1:1.
Genesis 1:1 & Revelation 3:14 confirmed that God created ,not Jesus.

[b]Thereafter , open your Bible to Revelation 3:14. Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God because God created the Universe (Heaven and Earth,Genesis 1:1) through his son, Hebrew 1:2.


Jesus created the Universe (heaven and earth). IS NOT in your Bible, not in any verse
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 11:38pm On Jun 09
plesion:
That arises out of the detailed explanation of the sense of the letter of the Word as to its interiors, and out of the explanation what is implied by the various ideas.


For instance, the idea that the Lord has assumed a Human, that is, He was born as a Man,
implies that which is involved in the idea of man, and then man involves the rational (broadly speaking), or the intellectual part, and the natural (or the part, which relates to the daily activities, outward desires, which has their inward and outward as well), and also involves the lowest of the natural mind, which is sensuos, and corporeal.
And when the Lord was glorified, it is not simply the word without meaning, or some kind of glorification that is given to this kind of this world, but that means that He became Divine, that is, that His Human became Divine, that is, whatever was in that human became Divine, thus related to those things that were spoken about in the previous message. With regard to the very general ideas, it is clear that His Human became Divien, because after the Ressurection He was seen passing through the walls, which no material human body can do, thus it was Divine. But not only the Body but everything within Him. Thus, as we are told, in the Lord "dwells all the Divinity of the God/Godhead bodily"
Romans 8:3 & John 5:37, Paul and Jesus Christ has made the same point against your claim.

Oga, stick to your Bible ,pls.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 11:34pm On Jun 09
Emusan:
And Mr Jano couldn't answer my question
Wetin you know wey you wan use ask question?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 11:29pm On Jun 09
Emusan:
[b]So, how the Father senior Jesus if they are not of the same ORIGIN?

At least you're the one who claimed Father means SENIOR.



No! The scripture says, ALL THINGS are created by Jesus [/b]and WITHOUT HIM(Jesus) NOTHING was created.

Do you mean Jesus created Himself?



Just tell me how Father means SENIOR if Jesus and God not from the same ORIGIN.



How The Father means SENIOR if Jesus and God not from the same SOURCE?



Father means SENIOR according to you.

How can the Father senior Jesus if they are not of the same SOURCE?

At least, you're the one who brought that claim of seniority.



So God was lying in Genesis 1:1 that what He created IN THE BEGINNING was Heavens and the Earth.

Continue.



Just cool down, you know how it normally ends.
Emusan, why are you deceiving yourself .
In the screenshot,Emusan What is the meaning of Father @ Revelation 3:21?
Does Father in your Bible meaning Ancestor /Senior?

Psalm 90:1-2,Did your own Bible teach you that God Yahweh has Origin?

Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 11:18pm On Jun 09
Emusan:
If Bible has not explicitly put Jesus outside the Creation only God knows how perverted you people would've made His word to be.
Colossians 1:15 , Jesus is the firstborn of every creature",says your Bible not Janosky .

The key question is this:
Oga, is the first born of every child ALWAYS a child?


This is the vital question that settles the correct meaning of Colossians 1:15 without any bias.


Emusan:
The scripture says ALL THINGS ARE FROM THE FATHER and THE SAME ALL THINGS are through Jesus.

But you have to accept the Father own but stylishly put Jesus own aside.

Is it the same ALL THINGS FROM FATHER THAT ARE THROUGH THE SON or the ALL THINGS through the Son is different?
The pertinent questions for you Sir is;

Did your own Bible ever say " ALL things are from the Son?

@ Romans 11:35-36, Oga who came through the Father /Ancestor?

grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 11:00pm On Jun 09
Emusan:
According to your own logic.

If Father means SENIOR, isn't that means both the Father and the Son are from the same SOURCE?

Or are you a senior to a Goat or Pig?

Is that what Jesus taught Emusan ?

Oga,bring the Bible verse make we see am.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:52pm On Jun 09
Emusan:
This particular statement here is what they usually use style to push aside whenever you raise it.

No creature can demand the SAME HONOUR given to God. As our service, Worship and praise are how will honor God.

Now, ask them have they been HONORING JESUS JUST AS THEY HONOR GOD?

You'll see the narration taking another dimension instantly.
Honour is not worship,pls stop deceiving yourself.
Don't even equate it together,no nau.


"Honour your mother as you honour your Father." does not dilute or remove the hierarchy arrangement in heaven.
1 Corinthians 11:3 hierarchy principle debunks your interpretation of John 5:23.
"Worship ONLY Yahweh," (Matt 4:10) this is the instruction Jesus gave you.
Emphasis on "ONLY" at Matt 4:10 means DON'T ADD another person to worship.

Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:38pm On Jun 09
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
To boast about your membership in an organization while treating the King of Kings like an absent figure is the ultimate deception. You keep trying to insert humans into the place of Almighty God, but your logic collapses under the weight of the very scriptures you are quoting.

In Matthew 25:34-40, Jesus does not say, "Whoever honors my brothers is honoring me *instead* of worshiping me directly." He is talking about treating the vulnerable—the hungry, the stranger, the prisoner—with love. If you think "Christ's brothers" only means the members or leadership of your specific organization, you are excluding the very people Jesus was talking about.

Furthermore, you claim we cannot honor Jesus because we cannot see Him. Let the Apostle John—the author of the Gospel you keep trying to twist—give you the final rebuke. In Revelation 5:13, John looks into heaven and records the worship happening right now:

> *"To him who sits on the throne **and to the Lamb** be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"*

The entire universe gives the **exact same praise, honor, glory, and power** to the Lamb (Jesus) as they do to the Father. They do not give Him partial honor, they do not wait for Him to be visible on earth, and they certainly do not substitute His worship by bowing to a corporate earthly organization.

You can keep trying to deflect from John 5:23 by hiding behind your organization's members, but you cannot escape the text. True Christian love honors the brothers, but true Christian faith worships the Master. If you refuse to give the Son the exact same honor, prayer, and devotion that you give the Father, you are openly disobeying Jesus Christ. The debate is over; your own doctrine has weighed you and found you wanting.

Revelation 3:2,12, Jesus is a worshipper in heavenly realm as he was a worshipper on earthly realm, John 20:17.

To worship Jesus amounts to disobedience to Jesus example of Revelation 3:2,12 & instruction of Matthew 4:10, Mark 12:29-30.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:31pm On Jun 09
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
To call someone a liar while twisting the words of Jesus to exalt your own religious group over the Son of God is the height of spiritual blindness. You have completely abandoned the clear text of John 5:23 to pitch a recruitment advertisement for your organization, and in doing so, you have fully exposed the deceit of your doctrine.

[b]
Let the Scripture crush this desperate diversion.

You ask, *"Which religious group honors Jesus in this world better than Jehovah's Witnesses?"* The answer is: any group that actually obeys John 5:23 instead of trying to rewrite it. Jesus explicitly commanded that the Son must be honored **"just as"** (in the exact same manner and degree) as the Father. Do Jehovah's Witnesses pray directly to Jesus? No. Do you worship Jesus? No, your own publications explicitly forbid it. Do you offer the exact same praise, devotion, and absolute reverence to Jesus that you give to Jehovah? No. By your own theological definitions, you do not honor the Son *just as* you honor the Father. Therefore, according to the very next line of that verse, you do not honor the Father at all. You can claim to "honor" Jesus as a prominent creature or a masterpiece angel, but that is a counterfeit honor that directly violates His command.

Your argument that this honor was only for the first century because Jesus was "visibly with the Jews" is a pathetic fabrication. Where does John 5:23 say, "Honor the Son just as the Father only while He is visibly present"? It doesn't. Jesus is speaking about His eternal status as the Judge of the living and the dead. The context of John 5 is about His divine authority to raise the dead and execute judgment—powers He holds for eternity, whether visible to human eyes or not. [/b]

But your most dangerous twist comes when you try to slide "Christ’s brothers" into the place of Christ Himself. You quoted Matthew 25:40 and Matthew 10:40 to argue that honoring Jesus means honoring a specific group of people in your neighborhood. You are attempting to steal the unique, divine honor that belongs solely to Jesus Christ and transfer it to the human leadership of an organization.

Look at the blasphemous ladder you just tried to build: you argue that people cannot honor God unless they honor Jesus, and they cannot honor Jesus unless they recognize and honor your specific group as His "brothers." You have literally made salvation dependent on submitting to human representatives rather than submitting to the Creator.

The Apostles never preached themselves as the destination of honor. Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 4:5, *"For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake."*

You want to talk about who is in the neighborhood? Jesus is not hiding behind a corporate organization. He is the omnipresent Creator who promised in Matthew 28:20, *"I am with you always, to the very end of the age."*

Stop playing word games with the King of Kings. You cannot substitute showing hospitality to your organization's members for the total, divine, equal honor that Jesus Christ demands for Himself in John 5:23. You are trying to deflect from your refusal to worship the Son by pointing to your human works, but the Scripture stands firm: if you do not honor the Son in the exact same way you honor the Father, your religion is completely in vain.
"Honour your Father and your mother", says your Bible.
Oga,is your Bible commanding you to worship them?

Oga, honour does not mean worship , I hope you know the difference .

Oga, Jesus has given you instruction to worship ONLY Yahweh his Father, Matthew 4:10. Mark 12:29-30.
@John 12:49-50,Yahweh taught Jesus to stick with Matthew 4:10.
Oga,no lose guard.
grin

Pls don't use John 5:23 dey lose guard.
Revelation 3:2,12, Jesus is a worshipper in heaven.
Na him talk so.
Christianity EtcRe: Does Hellfire Really Exist? Answering The Skeptics With Scripture by Janosky: 11:09pm On Jun 05
Emusan:
When you people want to do your abracadabra you'll begin to mix English Language with Hebrew or Greek cheesy grin grin grin grin

How can Jesus use the Word HELL when Hell is an English Language?

Did Jesus speak English Language during His time on Earth?
Is Hell the name of the garbage incinerator outside the walls of Jerusalem from Josiah's time to Jesus earthly life?

Call that place in Jerusalem according to how Jesus called it & stick to how Jesus view it while preaching to his listeners.

Did Jesus teach you he saw torment of people in Gehenna ?

Oga,go and rest jare.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:37pm On Jun 05
Emusan:
The absurd response you'll get is that Jehovah created Jesus first then use Jesus to create ALL OTHER THINGS.

Firstly, notice that in other to corrupt God's word the word 'OTHER' which was never found in any known Greek manuscripts in possession today was inserted into their ONLY BIBLE translation several times. Which shows the kind of spirit working in them.

Secondly, if Jehovah created Jesus first then Genesis 1:1 will forever be wrong [b]"In the BEGINNING God created the Heavens and the Earth" this is what God reveals to have created IN THE BEGINNING not Jesus. That is why John even placed the existence of the Word who became Flesh known as Jesus IN THE BEGINNING which means The Word witnessed ALL CREATIONS.[/b]

Thirdly, let's assume Jesus was created before ALL THINGS, where will Jesus live? Creature needs abode, reason why God created Heaven for Angels and physical word for physical beings. You'll realize that they can't answer you.

In conclusion, the scripture reveals that Jesus is the Creator! Any other interpretation than this is from the pit of hell.



Did Jesus have the same Father /Ancestor with other beings in heaven?

Why?
Hebrews 6:13, 1 Corinthians 8:6 God created EVERYTHING ,Jesus is NOT excluded.
Go and find out the meaning of ancestor in your Bible & stop deceiving yourself.
1 Corinthians 3:23, Jesus belongs to God.
God owns Jesus.
Nobody owns God our heavenly Father & the Father of Jesus in heaven.
"Archon/Ruler of creation by jesus" is NOT at Rev 3:14.
Jesus is " the Arkhe /Beginning of creation by Gid" is at Rev 3:14.

Oga, get this info internalized in your memory.
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Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:28pm On Jun 05
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
That is exactly the point.

The discussion should remain focused on what the text actually says, not on assumptions imported into the text.

The scripture says:

"All things were made through Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3)

Notice John's careful wording. He does not merely say that many things were made through Christ. He says that nothing that was made came into existence apart from Him.

Therefore, if someone wishes to place Christ among the things that were made, they must explain how Christ could simultaneously belong to the category of things made and yet be the One without whom nothing in that category was made.

That is the question that requires an answer.

Likewise, 1 Corinthians 8:6 says that all things are from the Father and through the Son. Paul is not describing two different creations but one creation, with the Father as the source and the Son as the divine agent.

The more carefully these passages are examined, the more the burden falls on those who argue that Christ is a creature to explain how the Creator Agent of all things can also be counted among the things brought into existence.

I look forward to seeing how they address those texts directly and consistently
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According to your Bible @Ephesians 4:6 & Ephesians 3:14-15,confirmed by Jesus @ John 20:17 / Hebrews 6:13.

Oga ,why does Jesus & every being in heaven realm & earth realm have the same heavenly Father ?
The word Father in your Bible means "Ancestor/SENIOR".
Does Almighty God, Yahweh have any Father/Ancestor/ Senior in heaven?
No.

Revelation 3:2,21, did Jesus confirm he has the same Ancestor/Father with other beings in heaven?
This brings us to Jesus words at Revelation 3:14, Jesus "is the " arkhe/beginning of the creation by God" (not creation by Jesus).
Note : Jesus did not say " Archon/ Ruler",it's not in Revelation 3:14.
Jesus is a Creature with a Father,Yahweh.
Yahweh is not a creature,but rather,Yahweh is the Father /Ancestor of ALL beings in heaven & earth.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:23pm On Jun 05
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
That is exactly the point.

The discussion should remain focused on what the text actually says, not on assumptions imported into the text.

The scripture says:

"All things were made through Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3)

Notice John's careful wording. He does not merely say that many things were made through Christ. He says that nothing that was made came into existence apart from Him.

Therefore, if someone wishes to place Christ among the things that were made, they must explain how Christ could simultaneously belong to the category of things made and yet be the One without whom nothing in that category was made.

That is the question that requires an answer.

Likewise, 1 Corinthians 8:6 says that all things are from the Father and through the Son. Paul is not describing two different creations but one creation, with the Father as the source and the Son as the divine agent.

The more carefully these passages are examined, the more the burden falls on those who argue that Christ is a creature to explain how the Creator Agent of all things can also be counted among the things brought into existence.

I look forward to seeing how they address those texts directly and consistently
.
According to your Bible @Ephesians 4:6 & Ephesians 3:14-15,confirmed by Jesus @ John 20:17 / Hebrews 6:13.

Oga ,why does Jesus & every being in heaven realm & earth realm have the same heavenly Father ?
The word Father in your Bible means "Ancestor/SENIOR".
Does Almighty God, Yahweh have any Father/Ancestor/ Senior in heaven?

Revelation 3:2,21, did Jesus confirm he has the same Ancestor/Father with other beings in heaven?
This brings us to Jesus words at Revelation 3:14, Jesus "is the " arkhe/beginning of the creation by God" (not by Jesus).
Note : Jesus did not say " Archon/ Ruler",it's not in Revelation 3:14.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:01pm On Jun 05
plesion:
There are ways to think of God according to the letter alone, without the spirit, and htere is a way to think of it not from the letter alone, but also from the spirit.

If from a letter alone, then there is one God who sends another God, and then two of those send the third One. So, in thinking, though not in the expression, there is then the idea of the three Gods.

Though as we know there is only one God.

So, then we have not only to read the letter, but also attempt to understand it so that our understanding may agree with both the Word and the sound reason.

In that sense, God Himself, as He is in Himself, or the Infinite, technically cannot come on earth, for then He would either destroy it completely, for then there is no accomodation. And yet we are told in the Old Testament constantly that Jehovah would come to deliver his people.


And thus He comes, but comes in the way that allows to carry out his mission. Thus, He assumes the Human, which is concevied and born of Him.

For those who are interested here is a more detailed explanation:

" 84. God could not have redeemed people, that is, rescued them from damnation and hell, without first taking on a human manifestation. There are many reasons for this; they will be disclosed step by step in what follows. Redemption was a matter of gaining control of the hells, restructuring the heavens, and then establishing a church. Despite his omnipotence, God could not accomplish these things except through his human manifestation, as one cannot do work without arms. In fact, in the Word his human manifestation is called the arm of Jehovah (Isaiah 40:10; 53:1). By analogy, one cannot attack a fortified city and destroy the temples of idols there without powerful means.
The Word as well makes it clear that having a human manifestation gave God the omnipotence to do this divine work. God is in the inmost and purest realms. There was no other way he could cross over to the lowest levels where the hells exist and where people were at that time, just as a soul cannot do anything without a body. By analogy, there is no way to overpower enemies who are not in sight and whom we cannot get close to with weapons such as spears, shields, or guns.
To redeem people without a human manifestation would have been as impossible for God as it would be for someone [outside India] to take control of people in India without sending in troops on ships. It would be as impossible as growing trees on heat and light alone if air had not been created as a medium through which they travel and earth had not been created in which the trees could grow. In fact, it would be as impossible as catching fish by throwing a net in the air and not in the water.
Given Jehovah's inherent nature, despite his omnipotence he could not touch any individual devils in hell or any individual devils on earth and control them or their rage or tame their violence unless he could be as present in the farthest realms as he is in those closest to him. In his human manifestation he is in fact present in the farthest realms. This is why the Word refers to him as the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End [Revelation 1:8, 11; 21:6; 22:13]." (True Christian Religion).

" 125. That Jehovah God could have entered upon and have accomplished such a work only by means of His Human may be illustrated by various comparisons; as, that one who is invisible cannot shake hands or converse with another until he becomes visible; thus an angel or spirit could have no interaction with a man, even if standing close to his body and before his face. Neither can anyone's soul converse with another or act with another except by means of his body. The sun with its light and heat can enter into man, beast, or tree only by first entering the air and operating through it; or can enter into a fish only by means of the water, since it must act through that element in which the subject resides. No one can scale a fish without a knife, or pluck a crow without fingers; or descend to the bottom of a lake without a diving-bell; in a word, anyone thing must be adapted to another before it can communicate with it or operate with it or against it."

When that mission was accomplished, and the Human was made Divine, the Lord God Jesus Christ is not a God, which is separate from Jehovah God, and the more so it is not those two separate Gods send the third One.

But as it is said: "I and the Father are One". "The one who sees me sees the Father". So, when the Human became Divine, Jehohav God is then seen in the Glorified Human of His Own, and so when we approach the Lord, we approach at the same time the Jehovah in Him, as the Soul int the Body of its own, with that specification, that in the Lord Jesus Christ there is both Divine and Human, and they make one, the Divine Human.
Oga, from where are you getting your lengthy opinion that is conflicting with the spirit inspired teachings that Jesus Christ taught you at John 5:37,43 ,John 3;16 & John 14:24?

Why would God's spirit lead you to contradict the spirit inspired teachings of Jesus Christ?

Which spirit would make you think in conflict against the teaching of Jesus Christ @ John 5:37,43,John 14:24 & John 3:16.

The claim : "God could not have redeemed people......without first taking on human manifestation"

That statement is a subtly coined opposition to John 3:16 & John 5:37,43 & John 1424.

Oga, reason on the truth Jesus taught you,I dey beg you .
Shalom.


Christianity EtcRe: Does Hellfire Really Exist? Answering The Skeptics With Scripture by Janosky: 8:06am On Jun 05
Jesus Christ did not use the word "Hell" at anytime in your Bible.
In the gospels, Jesus said "Gehenna", a garbage incinerator outside the walls of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus earthly life.
Gehenna is the place where Jerusalem inhabitants dump & burn their refuse.
Nobody was tormented in Gehenna .
Gehenna is not a place of torment.

Jesus also said hades (Greek word for grave, resting place of the dead).
Hades is not a place of torment.
Nobody is alive in hades.


This is correct rendition of Psalms 9:17 :
"The wicked shall return to Sheol (Hebrew word for Grave, recall that God said Adam shall return to dust). All the nations that forget God"
Therefore,the dust is the Grave of Adam/the wicked.
Do not go beyond the written word of God.
Adam's punishment is the precedent God has set for sinners.
Did Yahweh send Adam somewhere for torment?
No,not at all.
If you don't research you won't know the bible truth.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 7:47am On Jun 05
plesion:
I[i] generally agree with many things of what you say, but I would add the following.

Considering that there is only one God, not three, and that God Himself who came into the world and glorified His Human, then our Lord Jesus Christ is that God in His Divine Human, thus both God and Man, or, in other words, in the Lord - God is Man, and Man is God.

So, in the Lord the Father and the Son are so completely one, that they make a one Divine Person[/i].

In that sense, we can speak of knowing how God/the Infinite/Invisible Divine in the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Visible Divine, thus showing God Invisible.

So, in that sense, the Lord is Jehovah Himself, who sends the Holy Spirit (consider how he sent the Holy Spirit to the disciples by breathing upon them).

Here are a few quotations, illustrating those issues:

" 18. CHAPTER V.

THE HUMAN OF THE LORD JEHOVAH IS "THE SON OF GOD SENT INTO THE WORLD."

1. Jehovah God sent Himself into the world whereby He assumed the Human.

2. This Human, conceived from Jehovah God, is called "the Son of God, which was sent into the world."

3. This Human is called "the Son of God," and "the Son of Man"; "the Son of God," from the Divine Truth and the Divine Good in Him, which is the Word; and "the Son of Man," from the Divine Truth and the Divine Good from Him, which is the doctrine of the church from the Word.

4. No other Son of God is meant in the Word, but He who was born in the world.
... (Canons of the New Church)

Another one:

" 149. By "the Son of God" is signified the Divine truth, because by "sons" in the Word are signified truths; "the Son of God" therefore means the Divine truth. Hence by "the Son of God from eternity" is meant the proceeding Divine which is called the Divine truth, and from which is heaven; and hence, likewise, the Lord in the world was the Divine truth, which afterwards proceeded from Him. Thence it is that they are called "sons of God" who are recipients of the Divine truth.
150. The Lord was conceived of the Divine Itself, and was afterwards born of that; for what was born of Mary, this the Lord from His own Divine expelled; thence He assumed a Human corresponding to the Divine; thus He united the Divine, which means that the Divine took to Itself the Human. Hence it is that He was not only conceived but was also born of Jehovah, according to what is written in Psalm 2:1, 2, 6. It is also said:
I will tell the decree; Jehovah hath said unto Me, Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee (Ps. 2:7);
and hence it is that He is the Son of God." ("On the Athanasian Creed" by Em. Swedenborg)
Jesus said your claim is not true.
John 5:37, Jesus said God his Father never came to the earth , no one has seen God's form, no one has heard God's voice."

John 5:43 "Jesus came in the name of his Father ,Yahweh.

Father means SENIOR,Elder,Ancestor.
God is the SENIOR of every other being,Ephesians 4:6.
Stop deceiving yourself thinking they are the same person in heaven.
Psalm 110:1-2 is in your Bible.

Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky:
.[/quote[ author=PSTKYLIFELIGHT post=139606707]

Your argument only works if you assume that the word "source" must carry exactly the same meaning in every passage. That assumption has not been demonstrated.

1 Corinthians 8:6 says:

"One God, the Father, from whom are all things."

Here Paul identifies the Father as the One from whom all things ultimately proceed.

Revelation 3:14, however, uses the Greek word *arche*. The word *arche* has a broad semantic range that includes beginning, ruler, origin, first cause, and chief authority.

Therefore, moving from "the Father is the source of creation" to "the Father is the ultimate source of creation" is not a retreat. It is an attempt to distinguish categories that Scripture itself distinguishes.

You are also assuming that John 1:3 excludes the Son from any role that could be described as originating creation. But John does not say that.

John says:

"All things were made through him."

The text emphasizes the Son's indispensable role in creation. Without Him, nothing that was made came into existence.

The fact that creation came through Him does not diminish His status. It magnifies it.

The real issue is that you are treating "from whom" and "through whom" as mutually exclusive categories when Scripture presents them as complementary categories.

Paul writes:

"One God, the Father, from whom are all things... and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things."

1 Corinthians 8:6

Paul is not diminishing CHRIST. He is describing the relationship between the Father and the Son in the work of creation.

So the question is not whether the Father is the source and the Son is the agent. The question is whether Revelation 3:14 can describe CHRIST as the *arche* of creation without contradicting John 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6.[/quote]Yes.
From tthe biblical fact that Jesus affirmed himself is NOT the Creator.
Jesus did not originate Creation.
@Matt 19:4-6,(" God created them male &female" @ Genesis 1:26-27) Jesus cemented Hebrew 1:2 ("God created the Universe)".
The One who originates an Idea (@ Genesis 1:26-27/Genesis 5:2) is the Father/ Creator of any product that comes out of that idea.
"Let us make man", (the idea of God the Father).
Oga,did Jesus bring forth this idea?
Matt 19:4-5 , 1 Cor 8:6 No nau.
God his Father is the Creator.
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Simply claiming that it cannot is not an argument.

You must first prove that *arche* in Revelation 3:14 is being used in exactly the same sense as "from whom" in 1 Corinthians 8:6. Until that is established, the charge of inconsistency remains an assertion rather than a demonstrated conclusion.
Arkhe is not Ruler in Rev 3:14.

.Apostles Paul & John established the distinction,not me. Not us.


Romans 11:35-36
"Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen"

Oga, looking at Romans 11:35-36 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, John 17:7, Father means SENIOR in the bible.
"One God the SENIOR from whom are ALL things."
Other Bible versions reads "One God the Father the Creator of ALL Things."
Did Apostle Paul or John exclude Jesus from All things ?


Another question ;
According to Paul,did Jesus come from the Father or come through the Father?
The truth is there in your Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 11:06pm On Jun 03
quote[ author=PSTKYLIFELIGHT post=139606707]

Your argument only works if you assume that the word "source" must carry exactly the same meaning in every passage. That assumption has not been demonstrated.

1 Corinthians 8:6 says:

"One God, the Father, from whom are all things."

Here Paul identifies the Father as the One from whom all things ultimately proceed.

Revelation 3:14, however, uses the Greek word *arche*. The word *arche* has a broad semantic range that includes beginning, ruler, origin, first cause, and chief authority.

Therefore, moving from "the Father is the source of creation" to "the Father is the ultimate source of creation" is not a retreat. It is an attempt to distinguish categories that Scripture itself distinguishes.

You are also assuming that John 1:3 excludes the Son from any role that could be described as originating creation. But John does not say that.

John says:

"All things were made through him."

The text emphasizes the Son's indispensable role in creation. Without Him, nothing that was made came into existence.

The fact that creation came through Him does not diminish His status. It magnifies it.

The real issue is that you are treating "from whom" and "through whom" as mutually exclusive categories when Scripture presents them as complementary categories.

Paul writes:

"One God, the Father, from whom are all things... and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things."

1 Corinthians 8:6

Paul is not diminishing CHRIST. He is describing the relationship between the Father and the Son in the work of creation.

So the question is not whether the Father is the source and the Son is the agent. The question is whether Revelation 3:14 can describe CHRIST as the *arche* of creation without contradicting John 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6.[/quote]Yes.
From tthe biblical fact that Jesus affirmed himself is NOT the Creator.
Jesus did not originate Creation.
@Matt 19:4-6,(" God created them male &female" @ Genesis 1:26-27) Jesus cemented Hebrew 1:2 ("God created the Universe)".
The One who originates an Idea (@ Genesis 1:26-27/Genesis 5:2) is the Father/ Creator of any product that comes out of that idea.
"Let us make man", (the idea of God the Father).
Oga,did Jesus bring forth this idea?
Matt 19:4-5 , 1 Cor 8:6 No nau.
God his Father is the Creator.
[quote[ author=PSTKYLIFELIGHT post=139606707]Simply claiming that it cannot is not an argument.

You must first prove that *arche* in Revelation 3:14 is being used in exactly the same sense as "from whom" in 1 Corinthians 8:6. Until that is established, the charge of inconsistency remains an assertion rather than a demonstrated conclusion.[/quote]Arkhe is not Ruler in Rev 3:14.

.Apostles Paul & John established the distinction,not me. Not us.


Romans 11:35-36
"Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen"

Oga, looking at Romans 11:35-36 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, John 17:7, Father means SENIOR in the bible.
"One God the SENIOR from whom are ALL things."
Other Bible versions reads "One God the Father the Creator of ALL Things."
Did Apostle Paul or John exclude Jesus from All things ?


Another question ;
According to Paul,did Jesus come from the Father or come through the Father?
Yes of course.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:11pm On Jun 03
Truthseeker10:
So where do you stand, does "arche"(beginning) in Revelation 3:14 refer to Jesus as a creature or as a creator(source)?
Very good question.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 10:07pm On Jun 03
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
On the other hand, if *arche* is understood as origin, ruler, or source of authority over creation, then Revelation 3:14 is describing Christ’s relationship to creation rather than placing Him inside it.

This aligns with the broader pattern in Scripture:

The Father is described as the One “from whom are all things” (ultimate source).
The Son is described as the One “through whom are all things” (divine agent of creation).

So the real issue is not choosing between “creature” or “source” as rigid categories. The issue is how *arche* functions in context.

The text does not force Christ into the category of a created being, nor does it redefine Him as the ultimate source in the same sense as the Father. It points to His primacy, authority, and foundational role in relation to creation.

Therefore, the binary itself is not the correct framework for reading Revelation 3:14. The meaning must be drawn from the full consistency of Scripture, not an isolated lexical assumption.
The Greek interlinear bible evidence is in conflict with your claim.
Archon /Ruler is NOT in Revelation 3:14.
This is not an isolated lexical assumption.
Rather, John's gospel confirms that archon /Ruler has no place in Revelation 3;14.

Colossians 1:15 Jesus is the first born of every creature just as the first born of every child is a child.
This lends credence to John's writing of Revelation 3:2,12,14,21
Rev 3:2 ,in the spirit realm ,Jesus has a Father (a Senior).
Rev3:12 & 1;1,n the spirit realm, Jesus is a worshipper/servant.
Rev 3:14, Jesus has a beginning in the spiritual realm.
Rev 3:21,Jesus shares his Father's throne & glory with the disciples (read John 17:,7,22,24).

The bible's truth is crystal fresh.

Christianity EtcRe: Who Is God Almighty Apart From His Word? by Janosky: 9:44pm On Jun 03
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
The question forces a false binary: either Revelation 3:14 makes Christ a creature or it makes Him the source of creation. The text itself does not demand either conclusion.

Revelation 3:14 says:

“the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the *arche* of God’s creation”

The Greek word *arche* has a broad range of meaning: beginning, ruler, origin, or first principle. The meaning must be determined by context, not assumed in advance.

If *arche* is taken to mean “first created being,” then Christ would be placed inside creation as part of it. However, this reading immediately clashes with the broader New Testament witness:
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The key questions :
Is "arkhe" the Greek word for ruler in apostle John's gospel & in the bible book of Revelation?
Arkhe is not ruler at John 1:1, John 8:25,Revelation 3:14.
Of course not.
Therefore,Jesus is inside of creation,part of it.
Does this bible fact "clash with the boarder new testament witness" or evidence?
Not at all.
Screenshot evidences
Arkhe /beginning
Archon /Ruler.
Archon is not at Revelation 3:14.
Let's stick to the evidence.
PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
John 1:3 says all things were made through Him.
Colossians 1:16 says all things were created through Him and for Him.
Hebrews 1:2 says God made the worlds through the Son.

If all created things came into existence through Him, then He cannot simultaneously be included as part of the created set without collapsing the meaning of “all things.”

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Romans 7:25
Berean Standard Bible
Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Berean Literal Bible
But thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

King James Bible
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Oga, according to your claim/logic about the expression "THROUGH (him/Jesus)" ,is Romans 7:25 teaching you that Jesus is the one Paul is thanking?
John 1:3,Hebrew 1:2,Colossians 1:16 emphasizes the same point-that is, Jesus is NOT the Creator.
Yahweh,the God his Father is the Creator,1 Corinthians 8:6 cements this fact.
In a nutshell,Jesus is a creature.
Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the "firstborn of every creature."
Oga,according to Colossians 1:15,is "the firstborn of every child" still a child?
Yes nau !!!!!
Jesus is a creature.
.[/quote]

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 11:02pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
My earnest prayers is that the Holy spirit of God, open your all your eyes to know Jesus Christ (God)

The workings of God are beyond the proscription of human organisations. Rather it's a call to personal fellowship with Him (God, the Father! God, the Son! and God, the Holy Spirit) [The Trinity]!
No even bound by Church doctrine.

Check the Nicene creed below"

"I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.

God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen."


Anything outside the above I'm afraid, it's not Christianity.
Nicene Creed is church doctrine of men , not holy bible of God Almighty.

https://www.nairaland.com/8621414/emperor-constantine-promulgated-fallacious-nicene
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:55pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
Just as their Daddy G.O drank tea with their God nah!🙂
The matter vex many church leaders in christendom.
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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:53pm On May 12
MaxInDHouse:
You just quote the Bible without knowing the PRACTICAL APPLICATION!😀

Having a form of godliness: shouting and disturbing the neighborhood with noise of their worship and prayers.

Denying the power of God's word:
Unable to produce the fruit worthy of emulation.
In one high brow neighborhood in a major city of this country,our kingdom hall is the only place of worship approved in that area where high ranking people in Govt dwell & work.
Our Bible study meetings & the congregation environment is epitome of serenity & beauty.
No noise pollution.


Pursue peace with all men, Paul's epistle to believers.
How do you heed that epistle of Paul when you can't bring peace and calm to your neighborhood?

Screenshot evidence.

Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:30pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
By the grace of God I have grown to a point where God speaks to me in various ways. Of course, thank God for great men of God who have taught us the knowledge of God's word and its application from onset.

Jeremiah 3:15 - And I will give you pastors/Shepherds according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

Only your organisation have a separate bible where certain sentences or narration in other versions are changed, and you feel it's not a problem. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong?
• The word of God is twisted deliberately and you are brain washed to completely derail from the very essence of the knowledge of truth. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong.

The scriptures below shows the true witnesses -

• Matthew 28:19-20 - “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

• Acts 1:8 - “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

• Luke 24:46-49 - “And said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

• Acts 22:15 - “For you will be a witness for him to everyone of what you have seen and heard.”

• Luke 21:13-15 - “This will be your opportunity to bear witness. Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.”
Oga, do you really have proof for your claims?
Pls , by all means present it.
Everyone should see it , pls.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:20pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
It can not be argument, because when the truth of the gospel is preached every false teaching/doctrine would bow. For you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Being a Christian is a daily walk (relationship) with God (the Trinity combined) and having an encounter with Him.
Which of them be the Him?
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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:18pm On May 12
unitysheart:
Alright sir.

No need to argue with you.

Thanks.
How can you imitate Jesus & worship more than one spirit?
I want to see the Revelation that Mr Tilewizy received from Jesus.
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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witness...... Are They Christians???? by Janosky: 10:15pm On May 12
Tilewizy:
They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)
1. Luke 22:19 & Paul's epistle of 1 Corinthians 15,Christ handed to Paul, the commemoration (Memorial ) of Jesus death.
Why should I do something different that Master jesus didn't instruct us to do?

2. I don't get what you mean,pls explain or expatiate.
3. Did Jesus agree with the old testament that holy spirit is God's finger?
Yes.
Oga, which believer in your Bible had a one on one dialogue with holy spirit?
4. Paul wrote "Imitate me as I imitate Christ".
Oga, did Paul & Jesus worship triune spirits?

Your response very welcome.
Christianity EtcRe: Catholic Priest Caught Having Sex With A Female Student by Janosky: 9:45pm On May 12
"The cardinal Sins" by Andrew Greeley.
"Thy Brother's wife" by Andrew Greeley.

Plus the one deceiving himself in my school in those days ,he was chasing my fellow course mates.

These guys in cassock no get shortage of bed mates.

Aluu meh
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HealthRe: Swollen Testicles by Janosky: 9:37pm On May 12
Dixon3113:
Good evening sirs, I was able to book an appointment with my doctor, I was given some treatment all most was pain was down in a couple of hours, my concerns now is the size, it Is as big as an apple and stiff too, it gets easily strained even with a short walk, the doctor said it takes time to flare.

But I want those of you guys out there with experience to share expectations in the healing process.

Thanks
It might be hernia.
Just might be,to be sure,



Pls go to hospital for proper medical attention.
Christianity EtcRe: What Does The Bible Actually Teach About The Trinity? by Janosky: 10:31pm On May 07
IseOluwa777:
The Bible does not teach a Trinity of three co-equal persons. It teaches one God—one divine Person—who revealed Himself as Father, in the Son, and now as the Holy Spirit. It’s not three Gods, and it’s not three persons; it’s one God making Himself known.

Scriptural explanation
- One God:
- “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29).
- “Beside Me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6,cool.
- “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
- God manifested in flesh:
- “God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Timothy 3:16).
- “The Word was God… and the Word was made flesh” (John 1:1,14).
- “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself” (2 Corinthians 5:19).
- “In Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9).
- “I and My Father are one” (John 10:30). “He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9-10).
- How He reveals Himself:
- God is a Spirit (John 4:24): Father—God above us.
- The Son is the body born of the virgin (Luke 1:35; Galatians 4:4): Emmanuel—God with us.
- The Holy Ghost is that same Jesus coming back in Spirit to dwell in us: “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you” (John 14:16-18).
- One Name:
- “In the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).
- The apostles understood that Name and baptized “in the name of Jesus Christ” (Acts 2:38; 10:48; 19:5).


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https://truebibleteachingsai.org/answers/what-does-the-bible-teach-about-the-trinity-e0cc65b
In case you don't know it, this is your attempt to deny John 3:16,36 ,John 7:16 & John 14:24.
Jesus confirmed he is a messenger speaking/teaching the truth that God his Father sent him.

At no time in the new testament was any believer baptized with a quote of Matthew 28:19 by any apostle.
Most Bible scholars are not fully convinced of the authenticity of Matthew 28:19.
Philip baptized Ethiopian proselyte,yet he didn't use the statement of Matthew 28:19.
E get why

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