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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:29pm On Mar 22

Emusan:
Lying liar!

The Watchtower 2000 magazine clearly go against STORING BLOOD FOR TRANSFUSION but here you are twisting the same magazine of your own organization.

"Occasionally, a doctor will urge a patient to deposit his own blood weeks before surgery (preoperative autologous blood donation, or PAD) so that if the need arises, he could transfuse the patient with his own stored blood. However, such collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Blood is not to be stored; it is to be poured out—returned to God, as it were. Granted, the Mosaic Law is not in force now. Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses respect the principles God included in it, and they are determined to ‘abstain from blood.’ Hence, we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be ‘poured out.’ That practice conflicts with God’s law."

You can keep lying to defend Watchtower but the same watchtower will keep exposing your lies.

Every watchtower edition has page, date & month &year of publication.
Nobody knows how Emusan invented his own watchtower quote.

Emusan go & watch the 17 minute jw broadcast Tv update #2.
Pls remember to screenshot the genuine Watchtower quote from the video.
Oga, you are deceiving yourself.

grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:11pm On Mar 22

GanagiBitrus:
If your Son had an Accident
&lost a lot of Blood
&to save his life required you as the father Transfusing your Blood
&there is no other Option to Save his Life
&you Refuse because you Believe you would Offend God by Transfusing your Blood .
&you Allow your Son to Die.

You be capital F-O-O-L 🤡

Oga, there is what is called "informed consent ".
It is your right to ask questions to understand the different options you should pick from.

Ask questions oooo !!

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:08pm On Mar 22

chatinent:
That's why I left.

I like to think. I refuse letting others think for me.

Oga, @ John 5:19,what did Jesus teach you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:04pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
Thank you jare.

I know you don't like it when I expose your organisation's dirty linen to the public.

Kpele. Don't cry. Keep waiting for permission from your leaders to live your life.

Hope you don't mind, this thread is now in front page for all to see.

Have JW's ever claimed perfection ?
No !
But what do you gain from making false claims ?

What we have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026,you are deceiving yourself it's " new policy shift".
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:59pm On Mar 22

buygala:
Opium of the masses

Sad stuff

Humans never learn not to blindly follow religion...As these JW people have now revised their rules on Blood donations,, that means that their followers who died while following their old doctrine, wasted themselves for nothing yes?

That was how that Jim Jones guy got more than 900 of his religious followers to commit suicide, all at the same time

Nothing was revised, pls get your facts from the right source.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:56pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
They are not "waking up" to anything.

The leaders of Watchtower are battling numerous lawsuits, the Biggest of them all being cases involving child abuse and they have lost millions of dollars.

They tried their best to hide these cases from their members, even going as far as discouraging them from acquiring a university education. (So they won't know how to develop critical thinking and research skills) But all of their efforts have failed. The Younger generation of witnesses are not as brainwashed as the older generation and many are leaving.

The doctrinal and policy changes currently occurring is nothing but damage control.

Pls stop deceiving yourself .
Oga,your claim is FALSE.
The This is the truth ooo.
In our Watchtower publication before the Internet came into being;
Perhaps at the time you were a toddler.

"As we can see, there is a growing variety of equipment or techniques involving autologous blood. We cannot and should not try to comment on each variation. When faced with a question in this area, each Christian is responsible to obtain details from medical personnel and then make a personal decision."

Una no dey read all our JW's publications , that is reason the News media will report what JW's have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026 as "new policy shift".
No policy shift at all.
The update #2 broadcast was to serve as reminders to JW's worldwide.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:35pm On Mar 22

Stephen0mozzy:
Religion is the Opium of the Masses.
It's a wet dream sold to the poor to keep them from unseating the rich.

This review of doctrine came out of "societal pressure" NOT any revelation from God, so, for as long as you keep believing that a human being must be a conduit you use to access God, then please dhie for their ~~doctrines~~ a.k.a opinions.

This is the truth ooo.
In our Watchtower publication before the Internet came into being;
"As we can see, there is a growing variety of equipment or techniques involving autologous blood. We cannot and should not try to comment on each variation. When faced with a question in this area, each Christian is responsible to obtain details from medical personnel and then make a personal decision."

Una no dey read all our JW's publications , that is reason the News media will report what JW's have been doing since the late 1970s well into 2026 as "new policy shift".
No policy shift at all.
The update #2 broadcast was to serve as reminders to JW's worldwide.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:25pm On Mar 22

MrEar:
The quote below is from Jehovah witnesses watchtower magazine of October 15 2000.
It is from a segment of the magazine called QUESTIONS FROM READERS. Take a look at what the leaders told their members:

I know their members may come to this thread to call the above quote a lie from apostates so let me drop a link to the magazine from their Website here.

Source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2000767

It is very sad and disheartening that some members in the past, particularly those who anticipated needing surgery, asked their leaders whether they could store their own blood for future use, only for their request to be denied and described as a practice that contradicts God’s laws.

This matter goes as far back as the late 1970s into the 1990s/2000.

Oga, your cherry picking one paragraph from a 3 page article is an attempt to mislead people.

This clearly rules out one common use of autologous blood—preoperative collection, storage, and later infusion of a patient’s own blood. In such procedure, this is what is done: Prior to elective surgery, some units of a person’s whole blood are banked or the red cells are separated, frozen, and stored. Then if it seems that the patient needs blood during or following surgery, his own stored blood can be returned to him. Current anxieties about blood-borne diseases have made this use of autologous blood popular. Jehovah’s Witnesses, though, DO NOT accept this procedure. We have long appreciated that such stored blood certainly is no longer part of the person. It has been completely removed from him, so it should be disposed of in line with God’s Law: “You should pour it out upon the ground as water.”—Deuteronomy 12:24.

In a somewhat different process, autologous blood can be diverted from a patient to a hemodialysis device (artificial kidney) or a heart-lung pump. The blood flows out through a tube to the artificial organ that pumps and filters (or oxygenates) it, and then it returns to the patient’s circulatory system. Some Christians have permitted this if the equipment is not primed with stored blood. They have viewed the external tubing as elongating their circulatory system so that blood might pass through an artificial organ. They have felt that the blood in this closed circuit was still part of them and did not need to be ‘poured out.’a

What, though, if the flow of such autologous blood stopped briefly, such as if a heart-lung machine is shut down while the surgeon checks the integrity of coronary-bypass grafts?

Actually, the Biblical emphasis is not on the issue of continuous flow. Even aside from surgery, a person’s heart might stop briefly and then resume.b His circulatory system would not have to be emptied and his blood disposed of just because blood flow had stopped during the cardiac arrest. Hence, a Christian having to decide whether to permit his blood to be diverted through some external device ought to focus, not primarily on whether a brief interruption in flow might occur, but on whether he conscientiously felt that the diverted blood would still be part of his circulatory system.—Galatians 6:5.

[b]What about induced hemodilution? Some surgeons believe that it is advantageous for a patient’s blood to be diluted during surgery. Thus, at the start of an operation, they direct some blood to storage bags outside a patient’s body and replace such with nonblood fluids; later, the blood is allowed to flow from the bags back to the patient. Since Christians do not let their blood be stored, some physicians have adapted this procedure, arranging the equipment in a circuit that is constantly linked to the patient’s circulatory system. Some Christians have accepted this, others have refused. Again, each individual must decide whether he would consider the blood diverted in such a hemodilution circuit to be similar to that flowing through a heart/lung machine, or he would think of it as blood that left him and therefore should be disposed of.

"A final example of autologous blood use involves recovering and reusing blood during surgery. Equipment is used to aspirate blood from the wound, pump it out through a filter (to remove clots or debris) or a centrifuge (to eliminate fluids), and then direct it back into the patient. Many Christians have been very concerned whether in such salvage there might be any brief interruption of blood flow. Yet, as mentioned, a more Biblical concern is whether the blood escaping into a surgical wound is still part of the person. Does the fact that the blood has flowed from his circulatory system into the wound mean that it should be ‘poured out,’ like the blood mentioned at Leviticus 17:13? If an individual believes so, he would probably refuse to permit such blood salvage. Yet, another Christian (who also would not let blood flow from him, be stored for some time, and later be put back into him) might conclude that a circuit with recovery from a surgical site and ongoing reinfusion would not violate his trained conscience.

As we can see, there is a growing variety of equipment or techniques involving autologous blood. We cannot and should not try to comment on each variation. When faced with a question in this area, each Christian is responsible to obtain details from medical personnel and then make a personal decision."

JW's as at then said it's a "PERSONAL DECISION".

Oga,is both of these 2 last paragraphs in your own post?
Why did you omit them?
cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:15pm On Mar 22*

MrEar:
Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine

Source

For obvious reasons that OP conveniently forgot to inform you that this has been the stand of JW's since the late 1970's/1980s when he was a toddler.
On this matter, there is no so called "policy shift" or "doctrinal adjustments" as reported in the mainstream media outlets.

Anything JW's dey pain that guy man.
grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:09pm On Mar 22

MaxInDHouse:
They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort. 1John 2:19

Faith is not a possession of all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} so those who are not favorably disposed will take their leave! John 6:66🙂

Bashing na their way because e pain dem.
grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 12:43pm On Mar 22

Emusan:
You know this but yet you're always rush to defend rejection of BLOOD TRANSFUSION.

So, it's being known for years that Jws can actually store their own blood and take it back.

So, why do you always rush to preach how Blood Transfusion is bad and had caused many death?

Why do you always rush to talk about how Jws shape the medical system with Bloodless treatment because of their rejection of Blood Transfusion?

You see how you people are evil and hiding under God's name to protect the evil.

So, now do you agree Blood Transfusion is bad that your god of men say you can store you own blood and take it back?

Oga, pls go back to school & acquire comprehension skills.
You need am.

grin

Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 12:40pm On Mar 22

Kenobsky:
Since I received blood transfusion I started behaving not like my former self,[/b]I cont come against it,but it has its spiritual side.
JW are hypocrites I can never trust them.
Anything else with this people is devilish.
To fetch your blood and bring it back is still transfusion.
What a cult?

[b]Oga, enjoy your decision & leave JW's alone.
No be we say make you no behave like your former self.

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 12:31pm On Mar 22

Emusan:
I remember how you were jumping up and down about this story justifying watchtower nonsense about Blood Transfusion but look at how the same watchtower put you to shame today.

I have the 1980's Watchtower articles pointing out the info in the update #2 Tv broadcast.
Oga,wetin concern you with JW's matter?

Emusan, the Engineer, are you trained to dictate to a renowned medical Consultant how to do his job?

Oga, continue wailing

Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 12:28pm On Mar 22

Ucheamani:
The position of JW as far back as 26years ago was that it's up to individuals to decide how to use their blood in medical procedures.
https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=2000767

I have that 1980's watchtower publication in my library.
You know these non JW's don't read our publications,especially those who don't like us..
They heard the info on TV & decided to report "new adjustments" wey JWs done dey do since before the 1980s.

grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 12:21pm On Mar 22

2mch:
An example of a JW citing JW doctrine as why she refused blood eventually leading to her death. You can edit your website and even pay to edit all the content on the internet but a lot of people have screenshot and pamphlet.

Oga stop deceiving yourself.
Screenshot evidence

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 12:19pm On Mar 22

chimex38:
Doctrinal Changes And Effect On Personal Judgement

This is a fallout from the recent adjustment on blood transfusion from JW which other doctrinal adjustments also happens in every other religion as well.

Where do we draw the line as Christians?

Previous thread https://www.nairaland.com/8638945/jehovahs-witnesses-now-allow-transfusion

Oga,this is not a recent adjustment .

Have you been reading /studying the Watchtower since the late 1970/1980's?

Numerous Watchtower articles in the 1980s have given the same info that the Jw broadcast tv update #2 emphasized for clarity.
The news media claimed it is "recent adjustment" but that news report is not true.

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 12:11pm On Mar 22

2mch:
They are commenting with several usernames backing themselves up. This guy vehemently against blood transfusion is now claiming to have done it and it’s not good. Then they have gone to edit their website to prevent lawsuit.

You see these churches, they only care about their bank account and will do anything to preserve their business while preaching false doctrines which do not exist in the Bible to control you.

Your last paragraph,is that your own church ?
Just asking.......
cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Now Allow Blood Transfusion But Only Your Own Blood. See How by Janosky: 10:44pm On Mar 20

Kalulu44:
Abeg I don't have time to argue with you, I can see you're a JW, so you win.

Oga, everything I have explained ,you are free to use your data ask questions and verify.
No limit to learning.
God bless.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 10:36pm On Mar 20

eagleonearth:
you that believe the Bible, who is Jesus Christ to you?

From his mouth, John 10:34-36 Jesus is the son of God.
Jesus is a god, he quotes Psalm 82:6 to confirm it .

Deuteronomy 10:17, "Yahweh his Father is the God of gods " ( his sons- Jesus +man+angels @ Psalms 82:1,6.)

@ John 1:1 ,the Word ,(God's son) is a god"

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 10:29pm On Mar 20

advanceDNA:
This is a desperate and a very-close-to weird explanation…it is very far from context just as your organisation’s interpretation of the scripture is very far from context…..

The scripture talked about eating animals but dont eat the blood…how did u arrive at blood transfusion??

Blood performs the same function in humans and animals.
God doesn't make distinction between their function in both the body of humans and animals.

Your bible says "ABSTAIN from blood.".
Abstain means Abstain.
Abstain from fornication,says your Bible.
Do you think that oral action is ok,because your Bible didn't say "Abstain from oral action"?
This is similar position you base your view about transfusion

Your bible verse also says " do not eat the blood of any creature".
Oga, Is man a creature?
Yes.

The analogy already stated is irrefutable.
Blood is sacred,in case you don't know .
God is wiser than all of us.

Shalom.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Now Allow Blood Transfusion But Only Your Own Blood. See How by Janosky: 10:02pm On Mar 20

Kalulu44:
First of all I don't even have any belief or religion I adhere to.
But for one religion or belief to tell his or her followers not to do what we save their lives is absolutely absurd, take it or leave it

Oga,did the law says an adult have the fundamental right to choose the medical treatmentment they prefer?
Yes.

JW's love to save their lives & chose the medical option we prefer,which the law & medical science AGREE we can chose..
Medical treatments to chose from are many & diverse.

It's bias to come online & criticize,bash the choice of medical treatment (recognized by law & medical professionals) an adult has decided for himself..
God bless.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Now Allow Blood Transfusion But Only Your Own Blood. See How by Janosky: 9:52pm On Mar 20

Lovelink1991:
Go and correct your brochure

Did you view the update #2 Jw broadcast TV video?
No.

Even if you watch the jw video, you don't want anything to debunk the opinion you prefer to stick to.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 9:48pm On Mar 20

doggedfighter:
Joker

This is serious matter.
Oga, use your data , go and confirm.
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 9:45pm On Mar 20

Janosky:
Oga, when the law stipulates , "don't take drink or drive under the influence of....." You know what .

When you inject those substances into your body,& drive your car under the influence of" ,have you obeyed the law , "don't drink & drive under influence ?

Just asking for a friend....

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
Stop taking the scriptures out of context. You're not a Hebrew or Greek speaker and never understand the New Testament you quoted. For clarity sake, see...
Acts 15:20 AMPC
But we should send word to them in writing to abstain from and avoid anything that has been polluted by being offered to idols, and all sexual impurity, and [eating meat of animals] that have been strangled, and [tasting of] blood.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 9:40pm On Mar 20

doggedfighter:
😁

You ran from the ma*dness 😁

Go and learn about the advances on bloodless medicine,medical professionals acknowledge & eulogise the contributions of JW's for the great impact their beliefs have had on the advancement of medical research & public health .

Dey there dey play.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 9:33pm On Mar 20

advanceDNA:
Baba…. There was no transfusion in the time when the instruction was given …I'm curious as to why your organization thinks the interpretation of that instruction means dont participate in blood transfusion….
Correct me if im wrong..is it not the same deut 12v23? The context of that verse from the top is pretty clear, talking about eating of animal meat bu not the blood….
Again, im really curious how your organisation arrived at blood transfusion in interpreting a simple verse/chapter??

Oga, when the law stipulates , "don't take drink or drive under the influence of....." You know what .

When you inject those substances into your body,& drive your car under the influence of" ,have you obeyed the law , "don't drink & drive under influence ?

Just asking for a friend....

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 9:18pm On Mar 20

Mariangeles:
When did they come up with this new rule?
Who decided it? Hmm! ooO!

Madam, the answer to your question is on Jw broadcast TV update #2 video.

No allow anyone to deceive you with TikTok or YouTube video.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 9:06pm On Mar 20

MaobiCarl:
So Where's the lie in the original post?

Do you guys take blood transfusions before or not?
Is it the scriptures or the governing body that updated the policy on "no blood transfusions" to allow taking your own stored blood through transfusions, today?

The governing body interprets the scriptures for you because you guys have no brains or probably can't read the bible, right?
How did a symbol of life become the essence of life??
This isn't an update but a total change of blood doctrine invented by a drunkard trying not be part of the world
Best advise to you is store up ur blood in a blood bank.. You may need it in the future

I no get your time joor....

If you get liver go & REMOVE JW's broadcast TV Update #2 which referenced the year 2000 Watchtower edition, the same info on the Update #2 video.

Year 2000 to 2026 is 26 years.
Oga, you are deceiving yourself.
grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus God ? by Janosky: 8:52pm On Mar 20

MaxInDHouse:
"Read the Bible" you'll say no!😀

Nah motivational lecture from pulpit runs men dey deceive am.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus God ? by Janosky: 8:50pm On Mar 20

madegreatbygrace:
'And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.'

I John 5:20

"
Pls take note of this sentence of 1 John 5:20.

That we may know Him who is true (Yahweh the only true God)..... This is the true God".

Jesus Christ and John the apostle can NOT contradict themselves.
Any genuine rendition of 1 John 5:20 MUST agree,align with John 17:3 not contradict it

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus God ? by Janosky: 8:43pm On Mar 20

Kobojunkie:
Please stop spamming me with what is obviously bullsheet abeg!

Deuteronomy 10:17
"Yahweh is the God of gods (His sons, Jesus +angels+men).
Psalms 82:6
" Yahweh calls his sons (such as Jesus) gods". Psalms 82:6.
Did Jesus agree with Psalms 82:6 & Deuteronomy 10:17?
Yes, @ John 10:34-36.
Jesus is a god,he said so himself @ John 10:34-36.
Therefore,your Trinitarian copy of John 1:1 nah wash.
Screenshot evidence.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Now Allow Blood Transfusion But Only Your Own Blood. See How by Janosky: 8:32pm On Mar 20

Lovelink1991:
For your information the presenter who explain it on the video is a JW and he read it from the brochure. It has nothing to do with YouTube link but the content from your brochure. You have not watch and correct the wrong or approve it, you are from a far distance condemning it. You are not current about the happenings in JW

Oga, the TikTok video did not emanate from JW's broadcast tv .

I have refered you to the correct Source, Update #2 ,(18 minutes video from JW broadcast tv ) you dey show me TikTok link.

Abeg dey reason well.

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