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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 10:59pm On Mar 29

achorladey:
More words to cover simple answer.......

When they were appointed, they entered into service without loosing guard.
Na after dem loose guard

This is what you are trying hard to conceal in many words....

Those men you know had ULTERIOR motives even before they were appointed by Jehovah's witnesses ready made holy spirit

Matt 13:30, Did Jesus teach you both the good & the bad (spies) will be growing together until he takes action to separate them?

Are Jehovah's ways your imperfect ways?
Isaiah chapter 55.,read am finish until it stays in your heart.
I can't stop you from WAILING

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 10:48pm On Mar 29

MrEar:
"In God's Kingdom we will not need lawyers, we will not need doctors , rather we will need carpenters. So let your children learn skill. Don't send them to university"

While your leaders were busy ringing the above statement in your ears during assembly programs and conventions they were making use of the best educated lawyers and doctors to help them fight child abuse victims in court.

Oga, na u dey deceive yourself.

😁

ONLY educated people make use of the best educated lawyers and doctors.

After all,JW's are very educated & can consult competent Jprofessionals,JWs & non JW's.
Proof we are very knowledgeable.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 10:26pm On Mar 29

Courz:
Very Good. You just said the fact. This means the rest of the world who already know that the doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong and have moved on from that based on their knowledge of the Bible are already far ahead of Jehovah's witnesses in knowledge of the Bible. All these changes prove that Jehovah's Witnesses are far behind in the knowledge of the Bible. They are very backwards. To be a Jehovah's witness means to regress back to archaic ways of reasoning and living. I have said this many times to JWs in this forum that their Cult is not progressing in Knowledge. This is why in their Kingdom halls, they repeat topics. Nothing New. The New light they get, if it is even correct, is what the rest of the world already knows thousands of years ago. This is very embarrassing.

Your conjectures no get any evidence.

Medical professionals & their research journals continue to laud JW's for contributing to medical advancements to achieve competence in bloodless medical practice, you are WAILING on this forum as If we owe you something.

Go and consult medical research journals & see the more increasing numbers of non witnesses now embracing bloodless treatment options the medical sciences is lauding JW's for.

Oga, Sie ebah puo..
grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 10:06pm On Mar 29

Courz:
But here you are swallowing every jargon given to you by your Governing Body. To be a Beroan means you have to be an apostate. You have to question what you are told in order to test the Spirits. The Bible says you must Test everything you are told. Everything! You JWs are not following what the Bible says because your Governing Body has banned you from doing that or else you are tagged an Apostate. Who do you obey, The Bible that asks you to Test or your Governing Body that tells you not to do that? If it is the Governing Body you choose to obey, then you are worshipping your Governing Body and disregarding what the Bible asked you to do. This change is a lesson that you JWs had better start questioning what you are told by your Governing Body.

You have no right to determine nor dictate whom or what JW's follow.
No be your business at all.
Your ONLY right is WAILING. Talk is cheap.
If you love yourself ,this screenshot is giving you a message.
grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 9:53pm On Mar 29

Floww23:
Explain this from Enjoy life forever book page 255

3. Medical Procedures Involving Blood
There are medical procedures that make use of a patient’s own blood. Some of these—such as a person donating blood or having his own blood stored in advance of surgery—are not acceptable for Christians.—Deuteronomy 15:23.

However, other procedures may not be objectionable. These include blood tests, hemodialysis, hemodilution, or the use of a cell-salvage or heart-lung bypass machine. Each Christian must decide for himself how his own blood will be handled in the course of a procedure, medical test, or current therapy. Each doctor may perform these procedures slightly differently. So before accepting any surgical procedure, medical test, or therapy, a Christian needs to find out exactly how his own blood will be handled."

Why did you REMOVE this 2nd paragraph ?
Floww23,na so you be?

grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 9:33pm On Mar 29

MaxInDHouse:
When you don't know the meaning of what you read in the Bible someone will have to help you get the sense of it!🙂

Na so

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 8:34am On Mar 29

achorladey:
We. Know people like you cover up alot to avoid the lies and manipulations of your Governing body..........

From the same material you referenced......

They are talking storage of blood here

The points above regards STORAGE of blood.

The publication now continued to......

Here is where you want to do your usual kalokalo. The above is no longer taking storage of blood. It is under this they started deliberating on conscience matter. Most the this article was about blood and you didn't even bother to read it and how they repeatedly stated nothing like storing blood for future transfusion.

Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices. He could consider whether he views the blood involved to be blood that clearly has left his body and so should be disposed of or as blood that, basically, is still part of his circulatory system. (Deut. 12:16) Then he can make a decision that will leave him with a clear conscience before God.—1 Pet. 3:16". Watchtower,June 15,1978.

The same conclusion in 1978 & 2000 Watchtower editions.

Oga, Why is JW's matter giving you sleepless nights ?

Abeg ,check your B.P.
Just a friendly advice.
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 8:14am On Mar 29

Maximus692:
All these explanations they understood what they are agitating for is that they have left the organization so why should you remain there?🤣

Them no like Tirenchi wey dem see for 1978 Watchtower which the Update #2 broadcast repeated.

Jehovah's organization sabi well well.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 7:58am On Mar 29

Floww23:
I'm talking about the ones it discuss.

Now listen again

"There are medical procedures that make use of a patient’s own blood. Some of these— such as a person donating blood or having his own blood STORED ( emphasis mine) in advance of surgery—are not acceptable for Christians. —Deuteronomy 15:23.

It said concerning the area of transfusions, Storing your blood in advance of surgery is not acceptable for Christians, Yes or no?

w78 6/15 pp. 29-31
Questions From Readers

● A doctor said that prior to surgery a patient could have some blood withdrawn and stored, in the event that a transfusion is needed during surgery. How should a Christian view such use of his own blood?

From the standpoint of those in the medical field, this procedure may seem quite practical. There are grave dangers in accepting a transfusion of someone else’s blood. Seemingly fewer risks are involved if a person is given a transfusion of his own blood. So there is a trend among doctors to use the procedure called “autologous transfusion.” This involves drawing off the patient’s own blood and “banking” or storing it for transfusion purposes when necessary. If not needed by the donor, the blood may be used for other patients.

So, if medical personnel suggest that a Christian permit some of his blood to be withdrawn and deposited in a blood bank for later transfusion purposes, the Christian is not without guidance from the Bible as to the proper course.
He can mention that ancient Israelites were told that removed blood was to be ‘poured out on the ground as water,’ to show that it was for God and not to sustain the life of some earthly creature. (Deut. 12:24) And he can refer to the pointed command that Christians ‘abstain from blood.’ In view of this, how could he allow his blood to be collected in a blood bank for later transfusion into himself or another person?
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●

What about a device such as a heart-lung pump or a dialysis (artificial kidney) machine? Might a Christian use such?

There are Christian witnesses of Jehovah who, with a good conscience, have allowed these devices to be used, provided that the machines were primed with a nonblood fluid, such as Ringer’s lactate solution.

When this sort of device is operating, the patient’s blood flows from a blood vessel through tubing and the machine (where it is pumped, oxygenated and/or filtered) and then flows back into his circulatory system. The machine temporarily performs some of the functions normally handled by the patient’s own organs.

Some Christians have conscientiously reasoned that the blood is flowing continuously and that the external circuit might be viewed as an extension of the circulatory system. They have considered it comparable to a piece of tubing that might be implanted in the body to shunt blood around a blockage in a vessel.

Of course, each Christian should weigh what is involved in the use of these and similar devices. He could consider whether he views the blood involved to be blood that clearly has left his body and so should be disposed of or as blood that, basically, is still part of his circulatory system. (Deut. 12:16) Then he can make a decision that will leave him with a clear conscience before God.—1 Pet. 3:16". Watchtower,June 15,1978.

If you have to relearn English to understand the bolded,pls do.
The Enjoy Life did not discuss every procedure.
Again,this Watchtower,discussed the storage procedure acceptable as well as non acceptable one which Enjoy Life publication refered to the same non acceptable procedure.

What is the conclusion of the 1978 Watchtower ?
"It's your personal decision"
Make una Acholardey & Floww23 dey deceive una selves
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 7:39pm On Mar 27

Floww23:
Clearly says Not for Christians. Do you read ?

Is it okay to store your blood for transfusion according to that place in Enjoy life forever prior to the update , Yes or No

In the "Enjoy Life book, the point of emphasis "Some of these......"
Nah you go decide which one to accept or reject.
The book did not discuss ALL procedures.

The watchtower June 15,1978 article repeats the same counsel in the update #2... " It's your personal decision".

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 7:30pm On Mar 27

Floww23:
He was an agent at the point of being an Elder.. in fact,
You are ignoring the majority that Enjoy the work and how they penetrated deep within the network of your religion to fish for information, Who appointed this men who never had good intentions to begin with as Elders... Holy spirit ?

Matthew 15:13 & 1 Timothy 5:24, Jehovah will have His way & do His will at the appropriate time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 7:12pm On Mar 27*

Floww23:
Act 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers

According to Act 20:30 you quoted it says " Shall men arise" shall is a future tense.

I don't think you get the basis of the Issue , the issue wasn't about people in authority later becoming rogues , it was did Holy spirit appoint rogue Fakes as Elders in Paul's day? , or they later turn rogue but Initially were faithful?

Take note of John 6:44, "no one comes to me unless my Father draws them".
Who drew the ones in Rev 2:14-15 & Rev 3:9 into the congregation promoting false teachings & immorality?
Most of them held positions of authority & their bad influence were pervasive.
Then in John's day and now.

Hovewer, Overseers are often appointed under the guidance of holy spirit.
It doesn't mean we can't lose guard ,like Samuel . 2 Sam 6:6-7.
Like most of the 7 congregations lose guard

1 Timothy 5:24
"Some people’s sins are obvious, preceding them to judgment, but the sins of others surface later".

People with ulterior motives may attempt to sneak into positions of authority.
Jehovah who sees the heart would always expose such & flush them out in unexpected ways and means .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:30pm On Mar 27

MrEar:
"In God's Kingdom we will not need lawyers, we will not need doctors , rather we will need carpenters. So let your children learn skill. Don't send them to university"

While your leaders were busy ringing the above statement in your ears during assembly programs and conventions they were making use of the best educated lawyers and doctors to help them fight child abuse victims in court.

Oga, na u dey deceive yourself.

😁

You go wail tire , the children born of Jw parents will NEVER drop out of school or viable vocational training.
grin

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Health › Re: Doctors Vs Other Professionals? Protest Erupts Over ‘power Grab’ Bill by Janosky: 6:16pm On Mar 27

The sky is large enough for every bird to thrive & fly.

Our people too like gbege wey e no dey help anybody.

Which doctor can function without professional input of his fellow health sector colleagues in the system?

Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 6:08pm On Mar 27

chimex38:

Don't put words in my mouth!!
Endeavour to follow the context of the discuss and write up.

I NEVER USE JW as the HIGHEST QUALITY for others to emulate.
NEVER!!!!

Oga, no be fight.
Just laugh & ease tension.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 6:04pm On Mar 27

MrEar:
Many JW elders were dropped because they wanted their children to acquire university education.

I give kudos to those few elders that voluntarily dropped from their position so that their children can acquire education.

They refused to be bullied and intimidated by American men in Warwick who use the best educated lawyers to fight child abuse victims in court.

At least not everyone is brainwashed in that organization.

The privilege of service among Jehovah's people is a voluntary assignment, not do or die.
Which JW you see wey him title nah "Elder" whatever?

JW's are students of tertiary institutions in your country likewise some are students of IT/Tech , any viable legit vocation you can think of.

These days viable skills/enterpreneurship experience is the way for JW's.
Oga, no dey deceive yourself.
grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 5:42pm On Mar 27

chimex38:
We are quoting authentic sources, while you are are quoting random opinions on social media..
What an irony, when it should have been the otherway round.
you leave tackling the source of your religious beliefs and focuses on opinions of outsiders for validation ?
You can't think and tackle it yourself?
That's what so called "apostates" do
Are you an apostate?

Like I said in the previous post you quoted, don't act desperate.

Is June 15 Watchtower of 1978 validation from others ?

Some procedures that stores blood is still not ok for JW's to do.
Informed consent is Paramount in medical issues.

Abeg go & find out .
Oga,go and rest.
Shalom.
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:37pm On Mar 27

MrEar:
Are you? 😁

Did your Warwick leaders not threaten to drop your elders if they send their children to university? 😁

Hope they did not drop your father as an elder? Am asking because education is far important than the opinions of imperfect American men in Warwick. 😋

My fellow brothers & sisters , children of their parents dey study in tertiary institutions everywhere in your country.
Pls go & verify.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:30pm On Mar 27

Floww23:
If Judas was a victim of his own desires, then insight is right that Jesus chose a good man initially, later on turn to greedy, Yes ?

The desire to please a Superior , would make someone to do the function of an Agent even when he no like that assignment.

One of them got baptized & resigned from the spy work.
He told his Superiors,he found the Truth & his conscience won't allow him to do the assignment anymore.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:22pm On Mar 27

Courz:
Hahahahahaha.

The occasion he is even inviting you to is an occasion to reject the sacrifice of Christ. Otherwise called a Black Mass . Your life will be much better when you stay away from Cults. . There is a reason they are banned in different countries.

Bad belle parade.
Are really sure you're educated ?
No evidence at all.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 5:14pm On Mar 27

Floww23:
Explain this from Enjoy life forever book page 255

Thank you for saying your view.
Did that publication you quoted explain EVERY treatment procedures in that category which JW's do not accept?

Still, some of that treatment procedures may have variations that are ok for people who chose BT but not ok for JW's.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FLgDE8DM8/

Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 4:58pm On Mar 27

jmichael259:
Do you mean this same October 15 2000 Watchtower that was highlighted in the video?

You bunch of religious extremists and jw-phobists just can't sit in Sokoto and expect to be telling those in Somalia about what is going on in Mogadishu.
The point I raised is that this announcement is a clarification or reaffirmation of something that has always stood in their beliefs which is that Your own blood and your own therapy = your own decisions.
Online bloggers were rabble rousing as if they have started accepting transfusion or something. Everything said in the video has always stood in-house even before the year 2000.

This is th same fact I have always emphasized.
This link says it all.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FLgDE8DM8/

Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 4:49pm On Mar 27

Janosky:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FLgDE8DM8/

Nothing more to add.

Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Janosky: 4:49pm On Mar 27

chimex38:
You are just being desperate..
I hope overtime you will look over it. JW leaders are dignifying themselves at least, you are the one helping then loose their integrity...continue.

If you don't see any change in this, I can't help you. You can hold on to your belief, that's OK.
but you don't speak for other JW alive who may have taken decisions on the lives of others based on this especially underage kindreds.

Nothing wrong in change, it's not exclusive to JW. All religion changes doctrines from time to time.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FLgDE8DM8/

Nothing to add.
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 11:18pm On Mar 26

Floww23:
Edited and discarded 🤣😂😂🤣

Faithful slave produce CONTAMINATED FOOD and POISONOUS FOOD

That's why there are needless deaths and Hardship as a result of their man made policies.

Why rope yourself 🤣🤣
You don't know how much I laughed reading the bolded, Do you by the above agreed that Destiny is real and that Judas was born and Chosen by Jesus for the purpose of Betraying Him ?

Moreover, what about Judas Iscariot? Long before he was born, Scriptural prophecies spoke of the Messiah’s betrayal. (Psalm 41:9; 55:12, 13) The Bible even says that “from the beginning” Jesus Christ knew who would betray him.—John 6:64.

In the light of James 1:14-15, Judas was a victim of his own desires.
It could have been anyone else.
The guy too like money & fell.....
grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 11:00pm On Mar 26

Floww23:
If only you can think.
The Fact they are directly called false brothers means they were never appointed. CLOCK THAT!

Did any of the verses you quoted claimed those brothers were appointed?

None.

Among Jehovah's witnesses the doctrine stands Elders are appointed by holy spirit. For Secret police spies to have crept in and get appointed proved Appointments in Jehovah's witnesses has nothing to do with God or the JW are false religion and spies were tools from God to punish false religion. Since the GB are also Elders, it invalidate the claim that God chose
or appoint them since Elder appointment in your organisation has nothing to do with God.

You have the right to air your view but your own Bible proves that some of those false brothers,false prophets had positions of authority.

Can you look at your bible evidence
, this scenario of 2 Peter 2:1-2 & 2 Timothy 3:5-6 played out in social media recently where christendom leaders were reported for adulterous,immorality with several celebrity women conned with false teaching & immoral relationships.
That is how some people with authority in the early christian fold misused their positions to make disciples for themselves,not for Christ.)
👇

Acts 15:1,24
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved…

Acts 20:30
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

2 Timothy 3:6
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2 Peter 2:1,2
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you

Would you be teaching the brethren in any congregation/
/church if you had no position of authority?

Reason on it, pls .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 12:25pm On Mar 26*

Floww23:
Saul was Humble when he was appointed, it's a case of good man go rogue,

Secret police spies Enter the congregation simply to Jail and Imprison by scouting for information, why would holy spirit appoint someone whose intention from beginning was to Jail the brothers ?

Option A: the religion is False, and God was appointing those spies as Elders as his instrument to torment False worshippers.

Option B : Elders appointment of any kind is not from God , and since GB are from Elders, this invalidate their claim to Be Gods chosen since Elders appointment is not from God.

Jude 1:4 & Galatians 2:4,2 Cor 11:26, spies (alias false brothers) no be today e start. They infiltrated,embed themselves in the midst of Jehovah's people in Paul's day.

Option A;(according to Flow23 logic)
Jesus disciples following christ were not of God,(example, 1 Cor 15:12 some disciples did not believe Christ resurrection) were false , not genuine because "weeds" existed side by side with them in their midst?

Option B.
The appointment of false brothers into positions of authority e that the Corinthian congregation is not of God,this invalidates the claim that such appointments from the Apostle's Council in Jerusalem were of God?

1Corinthians 13:9 "our knowledge is not perfect.
1 Sam 3:20 &1 Sam 6:6-7,Samuel made similar mistake before Jehovah corrected him.

Is Flow23 learning something from those Bible verses & Matt 13:30 ?
Even when our knowledge is not perfect, Matt 13:30, Jehovah's judgement is perfect .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 1:04am On Mar 25

cyrusmillz:
Honestly ive read all the verses he quoted and all the verses are saying is " Don't eat blood" where did they get their own interpretation from. I'm shocked

Leviticus 17:14,is man a creature ?

Yes.
The principle applies.
Acts 15:28-29 ,does it say Abstain from oral action?
If someone is doing oral action ,has he abstain from fornication?

But the principle applies.
The Bible verse ends with " Good health to you"

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Now Allow Transfusion Of One’s Own Blood by Janosky: 12:48am On Mar 25

TallNigerian:

So your board of directors just realized that you can use your own blood after 75 years. Good for the limited company. The Bible has not changed, only man-made doctrines and misinterpretation of the Bible do.

No Sir.
The info is in our journals way back ....
From time to time we published reminders (or updates) to keep JW's informed.

That practice became public knowledge because of access to the internet & the newspapers assumed it's "doctrinal change".
Our Bible based principle is still the same,Acts 15:28-29.

.
If you were a Jehovah's witness in the 1980's ,you would have known it's a personal decision to dictate how you want your physicians to handle your blood in the course of a medical procedure.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 12:38am On Mar 25

Floww23:
if ordinary Elders are not even appointed by God, it's your GB that's appointed by God ? Secret spies Join the congregation and become Elders right under your nose.

The below is a quote from Watchtower January 2016

Emphasis on ' some mistakenly think they are anointed, some have MENTAL problem ' this are the people you choose to lead you , hence the plenty mistakes

I have one question for you;
Oga,which flaw wey God's people no get in your own Bible from Genesis to Revelation?

Perfectionism = chronic dissatisfaction

"Perfection syndrome, or maladaptive perfectionism, is the relentless, unrealistic pursuit of flawlessness, often driven by fear of failure and leading to burnout, anxiety, and procrastination. It causes individuals to set impossibly high standards, resulting in chronic dissatisfaction"

Have a great day.

Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah Witness David Hundeyin Reacts To New JW Blood Doctrine by Janosky: 12:26am On Mar 25

Floww23:
Who appointed the secret spies that became Elders ?

I want to test the whole God chose your GB theory.

Oga, who appointed Saul as king of Israel ?
What happened to him later?

Who appointed Uzziah as king?
What happened later?

God dey appoint people wey later do iniquity ,yet you want GB to appoint flawless people.
Guy, you want perfection wey no exist any where on this planet.
I dorf my hat for you .
grin

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