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PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
Simply claiming that it cannot is not an argument.

You must first prove that *arche* in Revelation 3:14 is being used in exactly the same sense as "from whom" in 1 Corinthians 8:6. Until that is established, the charge of inconsistency remains an assertion rather than a demonstrated conclusion.

Truthseeker10:
So where do you stand, does "arche"(beginning) in Revelation 3:14 refer to Jesus as a creature or as a creator(source)?

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
On the other hand, if *arche* is understood as origin, ruler, or source of authority over creation, then Revelation 3:14 is describing Christ’s relationship to creation rather than placing Him inside it.

This aligns with the broader pattern in Scripture:

The Father is described as the One “from whom are all things” (ultimate source).
The Son is described as the One “through whom are all things” (divine agent of creation).

So the real issue is not choosing between “creature” or “source” as rigid categories. The issue is how *arche* functions in context.

The text does not force Christ into the category of a created being, nor does it redefine Him as the ultimate source in the same sense as the Father. It points to His primacy, authority, and foundational role in relation to creation.

Therefore, the binary itself is not the correct framework for reading Revelation 3:14. The meaning must be drawn from the full consistency of Scripture, not an isolated lexical assumption.

PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
The question forces a false binary: either Revelation 3:14 makes Christ a creature or it makes Him the source of creation. The text itself does not demand either conclusion.

Revelation 3:14 says:

“the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the *arche* of God’s creation”

The Greek word *arche* has a broad range of meaning: beginning, ruler, origin, or first principle. The meaning must be determined by context, not assumed in advance.

If *arche* is taken to mean “first created being,” then Christ would be placed inside creation as part of it. However, this reading immediately clashes with the broader New Testament witness:
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PSTKYLIFELIGHT:
John 1:3 says all things were made through Him.
Colossians 1:16 says all things were created through Him and for Him.
Hebrews 1:2 says God made the worlds through the Son.

If all created things came into existence through Him, then He cannot simultaneously be included as part of the created set without collapsing the meaning of “all things.”

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Tilewizy:
My earnest prayers is that the Holy spirit of God, open your all your eyes to know Jesus Christ (God)

The workings of God are beyond the proscription of human organisations. Rather it's a call to personal fellowship with Him (God, the Father! God, the Son! and God, the Holy Spirit) [The Trinity]!
No even bound by Church doctrine.

Check the Nicene creed below"
"I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.

God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen."


Anything outside the above I'm afraid, it's not Christianity.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as their Daddy G.O drank tea with their God nah!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You just quote the Bible without knowing the PRACTICAL APPLICATION!😀

Having a form of godliness: shouting and disturbing the neighborhood with noise of their worship and prayers.

Denying the power of God's word:
Unable to produce the fruit worthy of emulation.

Tilewizy:
By the grace of God I have grown to a point where God speaks to me in various ways. Of course, thank God for great men of God who have taught us the knowledge of God's word and its application from onset.

Jeremiah 3:15 - And I will give you pastors/Shepherds according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

• Only your organisation have a separate bible where certain sentences or narration in other versions are changed, and you feel it's not a problem. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong?
• The word of God is twisted deliberately and you are brain washed to completely derail from the very essence of the knowledge of truth. Do I need a pastor to tell me something is wrong.

The scriptures below shows the true witnesses -

• Matthew 28:19-20 - “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

• Acts 1:8 - “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

• Luke 24:46-49 - “And said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

• Acts 22:15 - “For you will be a witness for him to everyone of what you have seen and heard.”

• Luke 21:13-15 - “This will be your opportunity to bear witness. Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.”

Tilewizy:
It can not be argument, because when the truth of the gospel is preached every false teaching/doctrine would bow. For you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Being a Christian is a daily walk (relationship) with God (the Trinity combined) and having an encounter with Him.

unitysheart:
Alright sir.

No need to argue with you.

Thanks.

Tilewizy:
They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

Dixon3113:
Good evening sirs, I was able to book an appointment with my doctor, I was given some treatment all most was pain was down in a couple of hours, my concerns now is the size, it Is as big as an apple and stiff too, it gets easily strained even with a short walk, the doctor said it takes time to flare.

But I want those of you guys out there with experience to share expectations in the healing process.

Thanks

IseOluwa777:
The Bible does not teach a Trinity of three co-equal persons. It teaches one God—one divine Person—who revealed Himself as Father, in the Son, and now as the Holy Spirit. It’s not three Gods, and it’s not three persons; it’s one God making Himself known.

Scriptural explanation
- One God:
- “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29).
- “Beside Me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6,.
- “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
- God manifested in flesh:
- “God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Timothy 3:16).
- “The Word was God… and the Word was made flesh” (John 1:1,14).
- “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself” (2 Corinthians 5:19).
- “In Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9).
- “I and My Father are one” (John 10:30). “He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9-10).
- How He reveals Himself:
- God is a Spirit (John 4:24): Father—God above us.
- The Son is the body born of the virgin (Luke 1:35; Galatians 4:4): Emmanuel—God with us.
- The Holy Ghost is that same Jesus coming back in Spirit to dwell in us: “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you” (John 14:16-18).
- One Name:
- “In the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).
- The apostles understood that Name and baptized “in the name of Jesus Christ” (Acts 2:38; 10:48; 19:5).


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https://truebibleteachingsai.org/answers/what-does-the-bible-teach-about-the-trinity-e0cc65b

IseOluwa777:
1 timothy 3:16 says "God was manifest in the flesh". and In Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. All these are scriptures that show that Jesus was a man, but the Spirit that dwelt in him was God. The human Jesus was praying to the Eternal Spirit that dwelt in Him. "My Father dwelleth in me" He said.

MaxInDHouse:
A Christian is someone who follows Jesus and do things Jesus commanded but a Jehovah's Witness is someone called by Jehovah Himself due to his or her pure heart.
A Christian may decide to stop following Jesus {John 6:66} a witness of Jehovah will continue seeking the only group where the spirit of Jehovah is operating.
So when a Christian feels tired of what Jesus is saying and decided to forget about faith in God a witness of Jehovah will never ever forget about faith but continue seeking His fellow believers in God, that is why you will see many who are not even believers in Christ entering God's Kingdom because they love God with all their hearts but got lost due to deception in the world of false religions all claiming worshipers of the true God.

achorladey:
The reasons were not because they considered national defense unscriptural.

The apostles didn't make any doctrine of it

Floww23:
Murder is not just with weapons, there is murder in the tongues too , the scripture says there is life and death in the tongue. Do you know how many JW has sent another JW to depression and su1cide with Words ? Go to your Facebook forums , JW'S murdering each other with 1nsults in the comments , some attacking the depressed single sisters in your midst with swords of the tongue

Let's even put individual JW aside, do you know how many su1cides has happen as a result of the Shunning policy of the JW religion? Why do you think they quickly adjusted the greeting side of the Shunning? This are murders happening right in your midst, don't come and play this stup1d righteous card of we don't carry weapon

Emusan:
But it is the same people your Watchtower claimed they're not Christians as true Christians died with Apostle John who is the last Apostle.

When your confusion is confused

FxMasterz:
You should have quoted those Scriptures out so that everyone would know that the scriptures you listed are unrelated.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus always speak in Idioms that's why his disciples never questioned him when he told them and note what they said in response:

“Lord, look! here are two swords.”
Jesus realized they are not yet used to Idioms despite all his teachings so he cut the conversation by saying:
“It is enough.” Luke 22:38

Please if each of them needs a sword according to Jesus' statement how can two swords be enough for eleven men?

That shows he wasn't talking about physical swords but since they couldn't grasp his expression he said "it is enough" like saying "ok cut the crap"

Later God's holy spirit enlightened our first century brothers that Jesus was talking about each disciple having his own complete copy of the holy writings (Scriptures) which they later referred to as "SWORD". Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12

In fact when apostle John saw Jesus in his spiritual body the utterances protruding our of his mouth appeared as a SWORD! Revelation 19:15

So my guy each Jehovah's witness in all the earth have a complete copy of the Bible the SPIRITUAL SWORD today and if any of us doesn't have one we will sell whatever we have to buy one but thanks to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses even though Bible is really costly today there is no single JW throughout the world who doesn't have a complete copy of the Bible as they wisely managed the resources gotten to make sure each of us no matter how poor that country is all JWs in that country will have a Bible each!

That's the import of what my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus said!🙂

FxMasterz:
The reasons for which some early Christians avoided military service is different from yours. They avoided because they didn't want to be part of emperor worship, indiscriminate bloodshed (the emperor can just send you to go and kill anybody), oath of allegiance to the emperor as a deity, etc. The reasons were not because they considered national defense unscriptural.

The apostles didn't make any doctrine of it. So, some joined, some didn't. Those who didn't join had reasons different from yours. In the absence of those reasons, they'll join.

achorladey:
Na to point fingers at others that their religious leaders are making them watch too many nollywood videos while they can't filter the jollywood videos from RAMAPO.

I never knew even Mormons started this cartoon videos of Caleb and Sophia before the Jehovah’s witnesses. Yet MaxInDHouse is looking for better performing performance group when dey sabi copy copy things

MaxInDHouse:
I don't have it so i will DM you!

FxMasterz:
You should have quoted those Scriptures out so that everyone would know that the scriptures you listed are unrelated.
FxMasterz:
Yes. The real disciples of Christ never discuss anything without sincerity. They fight no one and do not pay taxes just to hypocritically come under the protection of Satan's rulers who use guns and swords

FxMasterz:
My dear, the Pharisees thought Jesus was against national defense. Meanwhile, He never condemned soldiers for being soldiers. He never condemned rulers for recruiting soldiers.

That still does not mean that you keep enjoying defences and protection from government who use guns and swords but you hypocritically teach against it. You pay taxes while joyfully waiting to be protected by 'Satan's rulers', and do not want to be left vulnerable to bandits and Boko boys. 😂 😂

Very funny people.

The Roman military commander assigned 200 soldiers & 200 extra spear men alongside 70 horsemen to protect Paul the apostle who taught you to ' pursue peace with all men ".
Acts 23:12-32 is not missing in your Bible.
Acts 28:16 ,Paul get soldier guarding him.
Him no dey any political party .

MaxInDHouse:
😂

FxMasterz:
You should have quoted those Scriptures out so that everyone would know that the scriptures you listed are unrelated.

FxMasterz:
Stop lying to defend your error.

Bring verifiable evidence that christians were persecuted by world rulers because they refused to join the army.

FxMasterz:
Yes. The real disciples of Christ never discuss anything without sincerity. They fight no one and do not pay taxes just to hypocritically come under the protection of Satan's rulers who use guns and swords.

If I were the president of a country, I will give JWs some 10 - 20% discounted tax obligations. In return, I will announce that JWs should not be protected during armed robberies, violent attacks or wars. Bolo Haram, ISWAP, Bandits are free to attack them anytime. They've been discounted taxes so they're not paying protection and defence tax anyway. They cannot be enjoying protection and defence while discouraging military and paramilitary participation, and condemning the use of swords and guns by authorities. That's going to be very fair. 😂