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jude33084:


we Africans are built dff

But

Islam nailed this burial stuff more than Christianity my people

Emusan:
(1) About Jesus given life.

(2) So, you agreed that Jesus lied when He said He is THE LIFE

(3) You agreed that God lied through John when he wrote that Jesus is The Eternal Life who existed with the Father from beginning.

Just continue.

God GIVEN Jesus the LIFE, John 5:26. John 17:7.

Oga,your sentence (3) ,Jesus said " God GIVEN Jesus the LIFE, John 5:26. John 17:7.

Jesus Christ is a creature of the God our ANCESTOR.
Ephesian 4:6 Ephesians 3:14-15.
If you have to go start from kindergarten to understand it pls do.

Emusan:
See how he hypocritically dodged all the main points in my post.


He brought many Bible verses that he himself now ran away from.

What about the Greek word for 'ALL THINGS' and how it was used in Rom 11:36 and Col 1:16-18?

Do ALL THINGS that was used in Rom 11:36 different from ALL THINGS used in Col 1:16-18?

You can't do that because you know you're lying.

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Emusan,you are arguing against the bible you claim you believe.
Let me nurst your bubbles.
Your poor argument is solved by the First Sentence of Romans 11:35 ,Paul copied from Isaiah 40:13.
"Who has first given to God Jehovah"?
Jesus answered that question of Romans 11:35 first sentence & Romans 11:36 first sentence in John 17:7 & John 5:26
Jesus SAID : "EVERYTHING (plus the LIFE ) I have is from God." John 17:7
Also Jesus SAID : "God GIVEN LIFE to the Son to have LIFE in himself."

Oga, use your brain .

Emusan:
He's running away small small



Did ALL THINGS in Rom 11:36 different from ALL THINGS in Col 1:16-18

Simple question you couldn't answer.

E get why



ALL THINGS are from Jehovah and for Jehovah
ALL THINGS are from Jesus and for Jesus Col 1:16-18

Do ALL THINGS here different from one another?



Col 1:16-18 said so.

It's in your perverted NWT.

Reason why NWT is the only Translation that ADDED the word 'OTHER' more than 4 times.

ALL THINGS are from Jesus and for Jesus.

Remove the word OTHER from NWT and see how both Rom 11:36 & Col 1:16-18 match.



Then Jesus is lying that He is THE LIFE

Jehovah lied through the Holy Spirit to inspire John to write that Jesus is ETERNAL LIFE.

How can ETERNAL LIFE be created?




This is how you'll know you lack Bible knowledge apart from what Watchtower infused in you.

It's Rom 1:36 and not 35.

Repeating this many times shows you don't even know the scripture you're referencing.

I know you'd have come up with lot of screenshots if what you are saying is so sure for you.



So, simple question.

What did not come from Jesus Christ in CREATION?



But you said THE UNIVERSE comes THROUGH Jesus Christ, so how Jesus still a Creature?



Then The Universe should come before Jesus.

If Jesus is a Creature.

Which means Jesus can't be FIRSTBORN.



So, why did you conclud that The Universe (the whole of CREATION) come through Jesus?

Didn't that tell you Jesus can't be FIRSTBORN or you want to agree that something was CREATED before Jesus.

You can see how confused you are.

Universe CREATION ITSELF came through Jesus Christ.

The only being that is not part of the UNIVERSE is God.

Do you agree?



I agreed.

It's Kindergarten not Kingdagarten

Now, go and ask any kindergarten(from your hall), "who the only being that is not PART OF THE UNIVERSE?"

Let's see how a kindergarten will respond to that question.

At least you agreed that The Universe came THROUGH Jesus.

How can CREATION come THROUGH someone and the person is still a CREATURE?

This can only happen in Janosky brain.



Very true.

That is God's word.
But read further to verse 16-18 and see that Jesus CREATED ALL THINGS.

Then you'll understand the meaning of FIRSTBORN and the reason why Paul didn't use FIRST CREATED a word not alien to any Greek speaker.



Is Jesus not FIRSTBORN OVER ALL CREATION?

You want to argue against yourself again?



Name my Bible



I never inserted any word in Bible and you never see me Quoting Col 1:15 with OVER ALL (even though that's where your argument is driven towards) but YES! I AGREED OVER ALL should be removed from Col 1:15

Then do you agree that OTHER must be removed from Col 1:16-18?

I know he'll turn a blind eyes to this.

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Meanwhile,

1. why do you run away from HONOR John 5:23 Jano?

2. Why do you run away from Angel can't die?

3. Why do you run away from PRAYING through another being?

John 5:26

“For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself."

John 17:7
" EVERYTHING I have the Father has GIVEN to me."

God gave life to Jesus Christ, his Son.
God PUT life into Jesus Christ.
Bible truth revealed by Jesus Christ.

Key word
GIVEN ,PUT (Greek Edoken).

Awon unbeliever keep grasping at straws.

HeartlandNews:
Who exactly are you thanking for the lose of a loved one?
A a Christian I know it can be for a successful burial but is it biblical?
Though Ecclesiastes 3: 3 says there's time for everything; a time to laugh, cry, celebrate, die, etc.
But what do you think as believers in Christ Jesus?

ppogba:
Like play like play, Argentine will get to the Semi Final without meeting any of the top 10 on their way.

INFANTINO, na man you be.

FactsZoneAfrica:
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Emusan:
I love this!

Now, let's compare this to the same thing Paul said elsewhere.

"For in him ALL THINGS were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS have been created THROUGH HIM and FOR HIM. He is before ALL THINGS, and in him ALL THINGS hold together."

The phrase "ALL THINGS" appears more than 3 times.

This ALL THINGS are they different from the one Paul mentioned in Rom 11:36?

I'm Rom 11:36 Paul said "ALL THINGS" are through God and for Him(God) which you also understood by saying "through Jehovah God are ALL things" (These are your words not MINE), also Paul said the same "ALL THINGS" are through Jesus and for Jesus.

What did that tell you?

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Emusan:
Jesus is THE VERY LIFE.

So, how can LIFE has LIFE?

You mean God created His own life?

Emusan:
Then why are you arguing against yourself when the same Paul said ALL THINGS COME from Jesus?


But the same ALL THINGS is THROUGH JESUS and fro Jesus.

You didn't that in your translation?

Then you agree that the Bible is LYING when it says ALL THINGS come through Jesus.

Emusan:
To change and perverted God's word you have to believe that ALL THINGS in Rom 11:36 if different from ALL THINGS in Col 1:16-17
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Emusan:
Reason why your perverted NWT has to insert the word "OTHER" multiple times to confuse your mind.

It's obvious who needs that upgrade.

Watchtower created their own translation of the Bible to suit their false teachings but Emusan never has one.

Always remember that.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus has become a life giving spirit {1Corinthans 15:45} so the world can't see him again {John 14:19a} only his own disciples will see him with their minds eyes {John 14:19b} all religions expecting to see Jesus are FAKE.

According to Jesus himself when he returns to planet earth it's only actions we will see to know that he is around {Matthew 24:3-14} because by the time he return Satan would have turned the Christian faith into something else {Luke 18:8} but then Jesus said he will find a group of researchers diligently studying the scriptures so he will hand over all his sheep to them as learners under them. Matthew 24:45

So Jesus is presently working with his real disciples globally fulfilling all that is found written in the end time prophecies but since you people don't want the truth you can continue arguing aimlessly and fruitlessly among yourselves!🙂

Emusan:
Good if it doesn't mean giving thanks to Jesus.

Can you give thanks to God THROUGH ANGEL?

[s]Can you respect your father THROUGH his dog?[/s]

If God created THE WORLD THROUGH HIS SON, does the SON part of what was CREATED THROUGH HIM?

Emusan:
For “who has come to know Jehovah’s* mind, or who has become his adviser?”+ 35  Or, “who has first given to him, so that it must be repaid to him?”+ 36  Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.

This Romans 11:34-36 from your own dubious Translation.

Now show me where A BEING was said to come THROUGH GOD rather the scripture says ALL THINGS come THROUGH Jehovah.

This is the reason your translation has to add the word "OTHER" multiple times in Col 1:16-18 to change ALL OTHER THINGS.

But from honesty hearted, both Col 1:16-18 & Rom 11:36 proves that ALL THINGS come from God. That is why Jesus is God Almighty.



UNIVERSE IS THE CREATION ITSELF.

Jesus must be PART OF UNIVERSE

Or you still want me to explain to you like a daycare.

So, if the UNIVERSE comes through Jesus and Jesus is ALSO PART OF THE UNIVERSE then it means Jesus CREATED HIMSELF.

But Rom 11:36 already exposed you as ALL THINGS if from God and the same ALL THINGS is from Jesus Christ Col 1:16-18.


Point me to where Rom 11:36 says Jesus came through God.

So where in Rom 11:36 that says Jesus came through God?

I know you'll run away from this as usual
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Emusan:
But the teaching didn't start from verse 18.

But see the dubious twist from you by saying "The Beginning". Paul said "He(Jesus) IS the beginning" just the way Jehovah claimed HE IS THE BEGINNING.

Jehovah is THE BEGINNING of what?

Jesus died as Human, Do Angel die?

Emusan:
Where did I add RESURRECTION?

Were you not the one who ADDED RESURRECTION?

Emusan:
See this wacky insertion.

You have injected your own just as your NWT.


Now, because of your dishonesty you inserted CONGREGATION AND RESURRECTION.

Emusan:
You agreed that the UNIVERSE (CREATION ITSELF) came through Jesus. Which is what Scripture says in Col 1:16-17, so how can Jesus still be part of Creation if CREATION (TIME, SPACE & MASS) came through Him?

Emusan:
God is not FIRSTBORN but Jesus became FIRSTBORN when He came into His own creation.

Reason why Paul said "HE MIGHT BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING" [/b]

Emusan:
If Jesus was the first creature which is against God's word then it's a common sense that He doesn't need to BE THE ONE WHO COMES FIRST IN EVERYTHING.

You agreed that Jesus BECOMES FIRSTBORN (which is the master stroke that breaks your camel back) reason why you've been running away from the question, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRSTBORN?

Emusan:
Now, talking about CONTEXT.

Do you consider the same CONTEXT from verse 16&17? No! because that will expose your lying mouth.

Meanwhile, check that @color Jesus is THE BEGINNING just as Jehovah CALLED HIMSELF THE BEGINNING.

You can see that Paul was actually reinforcing his previous point (verse 16&17) of Jesus being the Creator.

You're talking about CONTEXT yet failed to look at the same TEXT.

Emusan:
Both come from the same root word.

Which supported my point that Paul was talking about POSITION not FIRST CREATED.

You can't still proof to me how FIRSTBORN became FIRST CREATURE.

It's evident that you're the one fussing different words together.

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Emusan:
You claimed I misunderstood it yet you couldn't explain it.

So, HE MIGHT BECOME now has another meaning

When lie got exposed

So that He(Jesus) MIGHT BECOME who is FIRST in EVERYTHING.

Key words:
1. MIGHT BECOME (which means Jesus wasn't in that state before
2. FIRST IN EVERYTHING (this includes CREATION) which means if Jesus was the first to be created then it doesn't make any sense for Him to BECOME FIRST IN EVERYTHING AGAIN.

Good! So, who was Jesus BEFORE BECOMING FIRST IN EVERYTHING?

Emusan:
See your lying mouth.

You talked about my OWN Bible in which I didn't even have any Bible in the first place so I check KJV but you have to rush to NEW KJV.

Well, if the word OTHER appeared in NKJV you challenge them not me.

But using NKJV to justify the fraudulent insertion of OTHER in NWT that change the whole meaning of the text is evident that you support corruption against God's word.



See confusion.
Is it Luke 14:2 or Luke 13:2?

Meanwhile, was the word OTHER appeared in the original Greek?

Can you bring screenshot from Mounce of Col 1:16-18?

If you're such an honest person.

Emusan:
See your lying mouth.

You talked about my OWN Bible in which I didn't even have any Bible in the first place so I check KJV but you have to rush to NEW KJV.

Well, if the word OTHER appeared in NKJV you challenge them not me.

But using NKJV to justify the fraudulent insertion of OTHER in NWT that change the whole meaning of the text is evident that you support corruption against God's word.



See confusion.
Is it Luke 14:2 or Luke 13:2?

Meanwhile, was the word OTHER appeared in the original Greek?

Can you bring screenshot from Mounce of Col 1:16-18?

If you're such an honest person.

Emusan:
Provide the screenshot from Mounce Col 1:18 if you have the chest to bore the truth.



You claimed I misunderstood it yet you couldn't explain it.

Emusan:
Firstly, OTHER is not in the original language.

So, inserting that is a fraudulent act.

This is KJV and I didn't see the word OTHER in Luke 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

Dtruthspeaker:
At least He Said it and Warned people to be aware of it. So, if you like keep trying to stop yourself from being afraid of it. The fear will only grow worse whenever death is close to you

Kemical23:
Because they know there is no hellfire anywhere...

MaxInDHouse:
This problem began when Satan induced a Babylonian king whose name was Nebuchadnezzar to merge politics with worship. Before Nebuchadnezzar the Egyptians and Assyrians world powers viewed their kings as Gods so whenever any king is installed either in Egypt or Assyria such a king is viewed as a God on his own.
But during the time of Nebuchadnezzar the king realized that those world rulers before him have crossed the line instead of having their own God they took up the titles they are not entitled to.
So Satan persuaded Nebuchadnezzar to make the status of a human God then all the nations under his control will have to worship that God.
From that time till today false religions and their prophets has been promoting that form of worship except the one and only true religion.
That is why Jesus said there are two roads {Matthew 7:13-14} the true religion totally independent of political influence and false religion totally under the influence of politics.
So if you believe in politics as a solution to the problems facing mankind please don't deceive yourself whether you call people atheist, theist or deist you are a worshiper the only difference is you don't know what you are worshiping!🙂