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ifenes:
It is only a debate yeah. Whether either of us is right or wrong it won't change anything. I am not the type that will just throw information away because I don't believe in it. I analyze everything.

Let's go back to the quote "let us make man in our image. It is obvious they were plural,so why make the term "god" singular. Not that anyone one is god over the other,its just the way ancient man saw viewed them.

You said the "creatures" who taught humans science,which also included Mathematics,Physics,Chemistry were wiped out yeah? Lets take a closer look

1.Assuming the flood that wiped out the whole world really happened(which is impossible)where did Goliath with 6 fingers come from? Where did the people Moses(Akhenaten) see giants he sent Caleb and the other guys to go spy on in Jericho?

2.Egypt existed and is possibly the most powerful and scientifically advance society the planet has seen without the help of your "god" and have helped reshape our level of understanding. Mind you the Library in Egypt is the source of most hidden knowledge we have today

3. Why did you Study Mathematics and Science in school? Apparently your "god" doesn't want it. Why did you go ahead and study the same prohibited knowledge offered to humans back then?

If you really will be honest with me, you will agree Science,Mathematics etc has done man a lot of good. It had made man make a huge progress from cave men to civil men. This means your "god" is anti-intelligent humans and "he"(they) are powerless to stop it.

Also you are mistaking physical beings as gods.

Most of these questions u raised ve been answered on my page "The Return Of The Nephilims" mind u God exists as 3 in one. The angels in heaven are regarded also as sons of God. So u should understand that God was either talking to his word or spirit or even the angels with him. Now God is not against science becos he created it. The fallen angels where once with him b4 they rebelled and were thrown out of heaven with lucifer. They learnt science 4rm God but they corrupted theirs by creating strange beasts,practicing magic and inventing things dat were forbidden. They tried to corrupt human race and animals by impregnating natural women to hinder the coming of jesus but they were stoped by the flood and God imprisoned some of them in tartarus. After the flood giants arose again. Where did they come 4rm? Probably 4rm the gene of hams wife. Remember ham was the father of canaan? Or probably the remaining fallen angels that were not imprisoned mated with women again to raise giants in canaan.

cold:
No,i totally agree with you. Even the winged Unicorn,remember? It has been found in some parts of Australia. The bybull is so ahead of its time it's mind boggling.

haba bros I hope u are not speaking sarcastically to me? There are many mythstical creatures that existed b4 Noahs flood e.g the great mamoth, unicorn, dragon etc. Animals were corrupted by the operations of the fallen angels b4 they were wiped out by God. The good animals were saved by Noah according to Gods instruction. Animals are being corrupted at laboratories(half man half animal creatures)in these end-times which will be released on mankind after the rapture of the church.

cold:
It must agree with your god's word or it must be innacurate. Yeah like the bible where the bible says the earth is flat. That surely agrees with science don't you think?

secondly u forgot to read passages of the bible dat states the earth is spherical. For example prov 8:27 talks of a circular earth, isaiah 40:21-22 also talks of a circular earth. In job 26:7 job said the earth hangs upon nothing. Always read scriptures in context sir.

cold:
It must agree with your god's word or it must be innacurate. Yeah like the bible where the bible says the earth is flat. That surely agrees with science don't you think?

now concerning earth is flat matter, u read the scriptures out of context becos there are poetic exaggerated statements in the scriptures and also literal words. For example these are poetic statements 1sam2:8(pillars of the earth) does the earth ve pillars? Josh10:13(sun stood still) did the sun really stand still? Of course not but appeared so 4rm joshua angle or perspectives just like if u step outside and look up it appears the sun is moving. Another poetic statement is ps93:1,ps96:10,ps104:5(the earth cannot be moved) These are not scientific statements so there's no need 4 debate.

cold:
Anything to defend your god no matter how silly it sounds is justified. I guess the time Joshua commanded the sun to stand still has also been proven by science. Snakes and donkeys talking have also been proven to be true. Hey what about that time Jonah spent 3 days in the belly of a fish? Did you know it's also been proven beyond reasonable doubt that a man can actually spend close to a week in the belly of a fish and still come out alive? Amazing isn't it? The other day i felt sad that my friend passed on. I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw him three days later. Claimed he died and rose on the third day. Astonishing! Turning water to wine? That's nothing for my friends uptown,they do that all the time. Personally,i've multiplied 2 pieces of fish and 5 loaves of bread and gave it to charity. Surely bro,the bible does agree with science. I'm a witness.

in ur small mind u thought u made a point? Now let me educate u on the 3rd and 4th dimension of life. The referrences u made are super-natural and faith-filled miraculous events 4rm the 4th dimension imposed on the 3rd dimension where most scientific facts are based. What God has spoken and done many years ago, it took science longer period to discover and accept them. They are yet to discover more becos science deals more on the natural realm and natural laws.

menesheh:
Why should I ?

you should becos it will cause ur mind to be open to greater spiritual truths(anointed mind) and save u 4rm the dark hellish pit.

cold:
It must agree with your god's word or it must be innacurate. Yeah like the bible where the bible says the earth is flat. That surely agrees with science don't you think?

relax bro is the earth not flat and spherical at the same time? Flat just like we have geographical plains all over the earth.

SirWere:
Don't worry, I'll open a thread on this thing sometime.

ok sir.

menesheh:
Am a humanist.

Ok sir but u need to be born again.

ifenes:
It is difficult to discuss this with a creationist. You asked a question and you already have the answer you prefer,so why ask the question and seek for the truth if you think you already had the truth.

You should refute the bible verses I posted and not recite what your pastor told you. I was told that too when I was young.

Despite the fact that your bible wasn't the original copy,evidence of extra terrestrials are all over the book,especially Genetics(genesis)

bros did I doubt what u posted? I only helped u arranged it well scripturally becos I know d extra terrestrials u talking about. They are the fallen angels and the nephilims. The creatures dat went deep into science and built ancient civilizations like Atlantis and probably Egyptian pyramids b4 they were overthrown by God during Noahs flood.

cold:
Since you're so stuck up on the creation story,why bother seeking answers elsewhere? Stay glued to your bybull and stop worrying about the origin of man and the different races. It's all in there in your story book.

actually I wasn't seeking answers that cannot be abridged with Genesis. I don't care where the answers come 4rm outside d bible but it must agree with Gods word e.g just like science agrees with Gods word.

SirWere:
Look dude, go and read. Study every aspect of history and philosophy.

uncle history doesn't contradict Gods word. Philosophy has been corrupted by satans agent which includes atheists.

SirWere:
Hmm.......... It depends on your viewpoint. You see, I, sadly, went to read history, research on evolution and well, I can't honestly call myself a christian, I'm more of an agnostic

you need to be born again.

menesheh:
It isn't. It is self contradictory, guess work, immoral, too cheap/petty and pretty old fashioned.

There's no need bringing extra drake bible while I've never finished dealing with the absurdities in the regular bible.

at first i thought u were a christian but I believe u are more of a philosopher. Right?

ifenes:
As for the Origin of the human race..... After the formation of the planet billions of years after, the surface of the planet became conducive for life which started in the water,extended to land and evolution took place and different forms of life forms emerged. Our planet was discovered by an alien race who by chance found discovered the planet earth just the same way we discovered Planet Mas and other planet. And so the story began......

The gods are physical beings who depend on minerals like we do for their own survival.

this story got me laughing. Our planet was not discovered by any alien rather God threw d aliens down to our planet when they tried to overthrow him. You may be right that the aliens love solid minerals becos the truth is that lucifers body was made 4rm precious stones while adams body was made 4rm dust.

menesheh:
Waw, this is my first time of hearing recreation, not even in the bible.
GEN 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.


Infact, i don't think that any intelligent person with appropriate level of scientific knowledge and the real world as we are witnessing it will ever take Gen 1 and 2 serious. It is the writings of the ancient men with greater limited knowledge of their immediate surrounding let alot the cosmos. Men with 1/4 of chromosome less that contemporary men. Men that explain things as it seems to them in a face value.


Non of those claims in the bible can stand scientific investigation for a nano of a second. All are postulations without justifications.


My best quote "any claim asserted without evidence can be dismiss without evidence"

bros the scripure is explicit and self-explanatory. Have u asked u asked urself what happened to the world that made it formless and void. All the answers are not in Genesis. You need to study the Dakes Bible slowly. If u don't have Dake Bible just google it and enjoy a happy reading.

Gayjesus:
As much as I would love to refute your claim with many evidence even in your bible,I have vowed not debate with creationist. So I will fight the urge and chill. A man of one book is dangerous.

my guy let's not argue much again but u must understand that d most unique history of humanity is 4rm Gods word. Other ancients civilizations wrote history as they understood it but God wrote a better history through the hands of his sevants. Shallom!

menesheh:
That means you don't read the bible. Taking the bible literally and tracing the events that took place both the creation of the universe, you have a world less than six to ten thousand years.

There is no place in the bible where earth and the universe were created millions of years before god started nursing the notion of creating mankind. All where created within six days.

Take the bible non-literally, as in, that verse in the bible that said, "a thousand years is but a bygone yesterday in the eyes of god" you will totally scatter the timeline of events that took place.

And also, if you're aware that planet earth is billion of years, you will totally lost the grip of the ancient stories in the bible.


I usually tell people to stop editing the bible in their brain to sooth those facts science is unraveling. Each time science discovered a new thing, christians and Muslims will open up verses in their holy book and say "look at this that seems to correspond with what our book said" forgetting bunch of other things that are in direct opposite of the bible. And also, there are no mechanisms provided in the bible to why they arrive to such conclusion.

Bros the origin of the earth didn't take place in Genesis but a six days remake of the earth. The difference between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 could be up to millions of years no one knows.now from the six days recreation of the earth to now is about 6000yrs. Theology is clear on this.

SirWere:
No holes Where do I even start

Does the creation theory explain continental shift?

Can it explain the existence of virus,bacteria, fungi, etc

Can it explain the existence of dangerous pests like mosquito, aedes, black fly and the like?

Apparently, animals are part of one big family. Can it then explain herbivorism, anivorism and ominivorism?

Besides, WHERE THE HELL IS ADAM's MISSING RIB

Dear friend, you reject Darwinian evolution because it is somewhat depressing, nothing else.


Oh dear, I said I wasn't gonna argue with creationists again.

my friend there are answers to all these questions. I answered some in The Glory Of Adam Before The Fall. Pls no more arguments o

Gayjesus:
Your explanation is meant to back up the claim that the christian god created the universe. But other ancient books gave better explanation for what the Christians called fallen angels. I would take the Egyptians,Sumerian stories over the Bible illustration everyday since they were before the bible.

you are wrong sir. The bible is made up of many ancient books excluding the non cannonical books. non cannonical book like the book of enoch was probably written before egypt was born(enoch existed before the biological birth of egypt). These revelations of God was rewritten severally by other writters for preservation dats why u think egypt writtings is more ancient.

SirWere:
Cmon mister jared, the holes in the creation story is so blatant that anyone can see it. Most scientists that you keep touting believe in theistic evolution, the believe that God was the guiding force in evolution.

Haba Mister SirWere. The theistic evolution is questionable but its better dan a blatant lie like charles darwins theory. There are no holes in Genesis creation story but bridges to other books of the bible and apocrypha books.

SirWere:
My friend, believe what you will. If belief in a higher deity makes you feel good, why not! But I see you have an inquistive mind. Continue reading and looking at the overwhelming evidences for evolution and ye shall see the truth. As to your question, Let me go call sukkot, malvisguy212 and the others to come and give you their creationist theories and conjectures. Good day

My friend science does not contradict scriptures but satanic agents don't want people to know d truth so they shield d truth or question it to create a double mind among readers. Thanks for ur contributions. Good day.

SirWere:
Fact is, man evolved. Take it or leave it.

if man evolved then redemption of mankind by our Lord Jesus wouldn't ve happened. Darwins theory have been proven wrong in abroad severally but scientists are scared of saying d truth becos of the consequences.

menesheh:
We are talking about millions of years while you're making reference to an event that happened some hundreds of years.

bros am aware dat dis Earth is millions of years old but mankind created in the image of God is just 6000yrs.

sasquareT:
What yo people don't no is that there are supper intelligence being in another planet that creat us, the earth is nothing but a Laboratory, these Gods create human in versions, like african version, european version And the like this trait can also be seen in human by our ability to invent so many things in version. The super intelligence being that reside somewhere in this Vast universe are our God whom we serve just like the way our gadget serve us.
My point is human are in version probably not even from d same inventor ( God )

am aware there are super-intelligent beings. They are the fallen angels of lucifer dat tried severally to corrupt d world. Some of them were bounded in tartarus awaiting Gods judgement, others are chained at the river euphrates and will be released at d end time. Some of them are probably roaming around but they are constantly restrained by The Church Of Jesus until the Church is taken out of the way at the rapture. Then the super-intelligent beings will be unleashed on the earth.

menesheh:
That's where scientific explanation comes to play. Speciation was observed in the lab. Environmental factors contributed to pigmentation and other variance in human race.


Follow Bible's explanation of human origin and remain ignorant for the rest of your life.

your scientific exposition is not clear. How come blacks who have been living abroad since the time of slave trade do not have their melanin pigment altered by environmental factors(excluding inter-racial marriage)? Are u telling me the Negro flat nose was caused by environmental factors? What I think scripturally is dat God altered the physique of man to adapt to d various environments he scattered them to.

SirWere:
Who cares

I care and u should. anyway what do u even care about?

sonmvayina:
we where created by the gods..3 different gods...Enki and Ninmah, created the first set, that is the black race...you and i, Enlil and Ninlil created the second set the Caucasians while Mardock and Inana created the third set or the mongoloids....they are all the anunaki gods..

very funny. Man was not created by the Anunaki gods. Its a lie 4rm the pit of hell but let me pretend u are right. What period exactly did Enki and Ninmah form the Negro?

orisa37:
Go to Nairaland Wiki-Pedia and read more findings concerning the evolution of man.

couldn't find it. Can u post it here?though I don't believe in Darwins theory of evolution.

Among Biblical questions thrown at me I find the origin of human races a mystery. If we are all the Children of Adam or Noah then when/how did the different races of the World come about? Think of The Caucausoids(Europeans,Anglo-Americans), The Mongoloids(Chinese-Japanese), The Negroids(Sub-Sahara Africans), The Eskimos, The Aborigines of Australia etc. My most likely answer is in Gen 10:25 which says that in the time of Peleg the World was divided Or was it at Babel God altered the physique of humans? What do you think?

My Mum once told me how "Youths For Christ" was birthed in Ekpoma under d leadership of Pastor Chris. They came under heavy attack and criticism 4rm students and school authorities but they couldn't stop the Man of God. "Youths For Christ" later came to be known as the "Believers LoveWorld" with a vision that lives on. Am glad to be identified with this vision. PASTOR CHRIS! ...worth hearing.

Speechless3:
Sir that man is accursed. So i dont know what you are talking about.

sister God doesn't curse humans created in his image and likeness(including sinners). You ve not a single idea wat happened between them so don't stress urself being judgmental. On the last day when urself and pastor chris stands before jesus we will know who served christ.