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Janosky:
The LYING dullard loves his gods of men and Pastorpreneurs & childish trantrums more than the truth of the holy scriptures.

Issorait !

I love my pastors because so far they've not deceived or mislead me in anyway. And they are far better than Charles who falsely misled his sheep into believing that Jesus would come in the 1900's

Janosky:
Why would you "need to defend the Bible" when you are spoon-fed on GIBBERISH?

Slave of Pastorpreneurs and 3 idol deities

I love my pastors. And I like the way the reveal stuff that Charles could never understand. So deal with that yoke boy

hakeem4:
I get my morals from biology and society.

Do unto others what you want others to do to you.

We don’t require divine permission to know right from wrong.

We don’t need tablets administered to us 10 at a time on pain of death to be able to have a moral argument; no! We have the reasoning and moral suasion of Socrates and of our own, we don’t need dictators to give us right from wrong

Thank you

So as an atheist, your standard for morals comes from what precisely? And if you're saying biology and society then animals too should have the same sense of morals as we have...right?


Do you know that science and Socratic logic is based on assumptions you can't prove...

Janosky:
Growing old is very mandatory but growing up is optional.
Bros, grow up !

Typical response from an atheist with no moral standard

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Janosky:
Bros, this is a public forum , stop all this childish trantrums you're throwing upandan.
Very immature of you.


Revelation 12:7-9 PROVED that your claim at Job2:1-2 is faulty and FALSE.

Bros, swallow your overbloated ego or better still, dump it into your dustbin.

[/s] You're a very deluded fellow. I asked a question but you were too stupid to answer it. . Instead of being matured and providing factual answers that correlate with the discussion at hand, you miserably started quoting out context pretending not to see the question. Which just goes to show you're pathetic in your miserable thinking.

hakeem4:
I find this question actually very insulting.
If you need god or religion to be a good person, then you’re ultimately a bad person. It means you’re doing good cause you want to get an eternal reward?

You're diverting. Kindly answer the questions or shut the fvck up.

Janosky:
Jashhub DUBIOUSLY dodge Revelation 12:7-9.
The Revelation 1:1,12:7-9 given to Jesus Christ, this artful dodger,Jashub says it's his personal "insecurities & low self esteem"
Your ego is more important than the holy scriptures.
Issorait !




Revelation 12:7-9 is a goal, devastating knock to your overbloated ego.

But the question was not directed at you ; it was directed at MaxIntheHouse. Or are you now his advocate? Oh...I forgot you're jobless and looking for relevance

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Janosky:
Revelation 12:7-9 , God gave to Jesus @ Rev1:1.
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael(P) and his angels fought against the dragon,(Q) and the dragon and his angels(R) fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent(S) called the devil,(T) or Satan,(U) who leads the whole world astray.(V) He was hurled to the earth,(W) and his angels with him.

Revelation 12:7-9 , God gave to Jesus @ Rev1:1.
"War broke out in heaven"
Bros , where you there?
Please STOP DECEIVING yourself

[/s] I can see you're an attention seeker. Which means you have many insecurities and a very low-self esteem.

Janosky:
[b]Bible chronology indicates that God’s Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914. This is shown by a prophecy recorded in chapter 4 of the Bible book of Daniel.

Overview of the prophecy.
God caused King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to have a prophetic dream about an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump was prevented from regrowing for a period of “seven times,” after which the tree would grow again.​—Daniel 4:​1, 10-​16.

The prophecy’s initial fulfillment.
The great tree represented King Nebuchadnezzar himself. (Daniel 4:​20-​22) He was figuratively ‘chopped down’ when he temporarily lost his sanity and kingship for a period of seven years. (Daniel 4:​25) When God restored his sanity, Nebuchadnezzar regained his throne and acknowledged God’s rulership.​—Daniel 4:​34-​36.

Evidence that the prophecy has a greater fulfillment. The whole purpose of the prophecy was that “people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that he gives it to whomever he wants, and he sets up over it even the lowliest of men.” (Daniel 4:​17) Was proud Nebuchadnezzar the one to whom God ultimately wanted to give such rulership? No, for God had earlier given him another prophetic dream showing that neither he nor any other political ruler would fill this role. Instead, God would himself “set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.”​—Daniel 2:​31-​44.

Previously, God had set up a kingdom to represent his rulership on earth: the ancient nation of Israel. God allowed that kingdom to be made “a ruin” because its rulers had become unfaithful, but he foretold that he would give kingship to “the one who has the legal right.” (Ezekiel 21:25-​27) The Bible identifies Jesus Christ as the one legally authorized to receive this everlasting kingdom. (Luke 1:​30-​33) Unlike Nebuchadnezzar, Jesus is “lowly in heart,” just as it was prophesied.​—Matthew 11:29.

What does the tree of Daniel chapter 4 represent?
In the Bible, trees sometimes represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-​24; 31:​2-5) In the greater fulfillment of Daniel chapter 4, the immense tree symbolizes God’s rulership.

What does the tree’s being chopped down mean?
Just as the chopping down of the tree represented an interruption in Nebuchadnezzar’s kingship, it also represented an interruption in God’s rulership on earth. This happened when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem, where the kings of Israel sat on “Jehovah’s throne” as representatives of God himself.​—1 Chronicles 29:23.

What do the “seven times” represent?
The “seven times” represent the period during which God allowed the nations to rule over the earth without interference from any kingdom that he had set up. The “seven times” began in October 607 B.C.E., when, according to Bible chronology, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians. *​—2 Kings 25:​1, 8-​10.

How long are the “seven times”?
They could not be merely seven years as in Nebuchadnezzar’s case. Jesus indicated the answer when he said that “Jerusalem [a symbol of God’s rulership] will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24) “The appointed times of the nations,” the period during which God allowed his rulership to be “trampled on by the nations,” are the same as the “seven times” of Daniel chapter 4. This means that the “seven times” were still under way even when Jesus was on earth.

The Bible provides the way to determine the length of those prophetic “seven times.” It says that three and a half “times” equal 1,260 days, so “seven times” equal twice that number, or 2,520 days. (Revelation 12:​6, 14) Applying the prophetic rule “a day for a year,” the 2,520 days represent 2,520 years. Therefore, the “seven times,” or 2,520 years, would end in October 1914.​—Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6.

[/b] You're not intelligent enough to back your claims. So get lost

MaxInDHouse:
You don't understand what "CAST OUT" means my guy!
If Satan has been cast out please what was he doing in the midst of God's sons(angels)?
For your information he was freely moving from heaven to any part of the earth during Job's time! Job 1:7
But after his casting out from heaven in 1914 there was no place for him and his demons again {Revelations 12:8} moreover Satan can't be driven out from heaven when the Born Again Christians have not conquered him that's why Jesus was overjoyed when his disciples began the work that will justify Satan's ousting from heaven! Luke 10:19




Before the judgment he will first separate the sheep from the goats! Matthew 25:32
The separation work is what Jesus is doing presently that's why millions are running away from the falsehood of TRINITY {Revelations 18:4} and flocking into the TRUTH!

Error number one :The Book of Job never said Satan was roaming from heaven to the earth; look what it said[b] "Where have you come from?” the LORD asked Satan. Satan answered the LORD, “I have been patrolling the earth, watching everything that’s going on[/b].”(Job 2:2). This means literally that Satan was not in heaven. So don't add your own jara according to revelation (22:18).


Error number two :The word Cast out means to boot, dismiss, expel, kick out...and the hebrew word
לְנַדוֹת( this means expel). So the interpretation is still intact and it means the same thing with my bible. So only God knows where your perverted interpretation came from.

Error number three : Jesus said specifically in Matt25:32 that[b]All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.[/b] So where was the gathering of the nations? Where was my nation when Charles chose to form his own gathering?

Janosky:
Bros, was Luke 19:11 and Luke 24:21 written in the year 1900's ?

At the time of the disciples, according to their own prediction in your own Bible, did God's kingdom arrive immediately?

1 Samuel 16:6,10, Prophet Samuel made a FALSE prediction.
Did his prediction come to pass?

Bros, can you now see that the joke is on you?

The bible says in
1 Thessalonians 5:2" For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief". So how come Charles go this date right when even Jesus Himself did not know...? That's the question I want you to answer logically. Or are you telling us here that Charles prophesies were false?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus foretold what will be happening on this planet to prove that he has become King in heaven {Matthew 24:3-14} since 1914 this has been the experience the world has never had.
After he drove Satan and his demons away from heaven the earth began feeling the intense heat right from 1914 (World War 1} Jesus then visited the church during that period but all the churches have gone off course so he found just a small group of people who were willing to make amendments in their teachings that's why JWs Organization began making corrections ever since then until what we have today.
Go and ask those feeding you they'll tell you that JWs do celebrate Christmas, Easter, New year and so many other things until after 1919.

So if you don't believe that a mighty spirit being is responsible for this swift adjustments then i pity you because that's exactly what Jesus did back in the first century when he first visited the earth. The Jews have gone totally off from God's required standard but gradually Jesus gathered few Jews who were willing to make adjustments in their beliefs and they are the ones you and i are reading about them today in the ew Testament.

So Jesus gave us signs of his presence in power but it was the date (day) this system will end that God never disclose even to Jesus himself! Matthew 24:36!

This has no correlation to what we're discussing. And for your information, Satan was cast from Heaven prior to the book Job. So how does 1914 fit into this; why couldnt have been in another time frame...like the Spanish flu or Bubonic plague or the Crusades; why was it during the era of Charles...or doesnt that sound fishy ?


Secondly, Jesus categorically said His second coming was for judgment ; not scripture editing. So where did the disgruntled Charles get that notion of his from?

Janosky:


Bros ,@ Luke 24:21 and Luke 19:11, kindly tell us why the disciples FALSELY claimed "God's kingdom will arrive immediately ?

So the 1900's is now termed "immediately " abi... does that sound sane to you? Hahaha... you're more illogical than all the atheist I've seen online

Anyway, have a nice day with your false sense of understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
See how you've been blindfolded?



Jesus returned in 1919 established a group to start all over again after the Antichrist has stopped the preaching and teaching program Jesus commissioned in the first century.
So 1919 ~ 2019 marks a century that Jesus came to re-establish the preaching and teaching campaign that's why we went into a break as Covid19 forced us to observe the 100 years of active preaching and teaching that's been ongoing since 1919.
Ever since then a global family of peace loving worshipers have emerged on this same planet, they have vowed never to raise up weapons against anyone again, they have settled all racial prejudice among themselves, they have stopped learning how to kill their fellowman {Isaiah 2:2-4} and you may like to debunk this fact but try to explain what you expect from the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} if his followers aren't at peace with one another globally!
So JWs are right on that note!



Whether Jesus is Archangel Michael or not is no issue because that is arguable as far as the scriptures is concerned. Nobody can say that's true or false if you don't have vivid proof.
Well JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization say Jesus is Archangel Michael and so far so good they have gone round the earth to fish out zealous preachers and industrious teachers for God's word {Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 1:17} they have turned their members to brothers and sisters who truly LOVE themselves and the world could testify to that {John 13:34-35} they have removed hatred caused by Racism and Politics from their midst {John 17:14, 20-23} they have turned people from the world's most racist nations into lovers of fellow believers in other lands! 1Corinthians 1:10

So if you now want to claim you know Jesus better than JWs please provide the evidence not just saying what you can't prove vividly with fine works! James 2:18-26

Jesus never gave revelation to the time of His arrival for even He did not know(Matt24:36), so how come bros Charles got to know this...? Kindly think over it before replyling stupidly.


Secondly, you just blasphemed against a very fundamental JW doctrine. Why are you saying Jesus is or is not Michael, or don't you have a foundation of that kind of belief?


Lastly, the charitable deeds you declared are being done by Buddhism, New world religion and the illuminati. So why should you be boasting in such common placed practices that are done even by Satan....

Janosky:
Luke 24:21, the same manner the disciples said "God's kingdom will arrive immediately".
Bros, did their prediction come to pass?

1 Samuel 16:6,10, the Prophet of Jehovah gave a false prediction.
Bros, did his prediction come to pass?

Is Galatians 2:11-14 missing in your Bible?
1 Samuel 16:6,10 , Galatians 2:11-14 and Luke 24:21, the Bible truth is bitter.

Until you provide proof that 1 Samuel 16:6,10 , Galatians 2:11-14 and Luke 24:21 is missing in your Bible, your claims against JWs on this thread is GIBBERISH.

It's not gibberish Oga; I'm only stating what Charles declared and the burden of proof to defend it lies with you. Not me. So kindly tell us why Charles falsely predicted Jesus' arrival ?

This writer is speaking through his anus and he has not taken into consideration the long term implications of this.

MaxInDHouse:
The same applies to William Kumuyi's perverted doctrines!

So don't just name a person in connection to the doctrine held by a group of people, try to ascertain what benefit is there not been biased.

Nobody can say anything against the doctrines of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization, you will only argue based on what your misinformed Churchgoer Pastors infused in your head but you can't see any benefits that supercede the benefit of pure worship enjoyed by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Let me expose some of Charles Russell Tuze preversions :

1. Charles said Jesus Christ will come in the early 1900's. Please did this come to pass?

2. JW doctrine teaches that Jesus, is angel Michael. Please how is Jesus now an angel when the bible, and Jesus clearly defined the person of Jesus as the Son of God? Or was Charles slurping igbo when coming up with this fictious idea...?

hakeem4:
immoral lifestyle? Who is the judge of morality? Definitely not god.

The serial mass murderer, the rapist apologist, the slave merchant.

So god is not fit to give us moral. Even his 10 commandments does nothing when it comes to the case of morality

So where does your sense of morality stem from? Because last time I checked, Atheisim has no sense of morality.

MaxInDHouse:
Is it really God's laws or misinformed Churchgoers laws?

There's nothing an atheist got to say against God's law because it's the best, but when man-made doctrines is held as God's law any right thinking person will see the flaws!

Misinformed in what sense...? Wait a minute.. .is this "misinformation " according to Charles Russells Tuze perverted doctrine ?

Mumu just hurry up and pay the ransom your government normally pays the bandits.

Its poverty. If poverty hammer you, even the bad wife go bow

hakeem4:
yes gods word is archaic. I don’t think any body follows the Decalogue anymore.

Such a childish law

Well, if you think God's law is archaic, because it doesn't suit your immoral life style, then that's your own perogative.

hakeem4:
no! I don’t hate deeper life. I just find their doctrines weird and archaic

What's weird in their doctrines? Or does their doctrine not stem from the word of God...has God changed His words?

Was she of relevance before? Mtchww...next abeg!

This thing is becoming too frequent and its a shame that our government is doing absolutely nothing to stem the tide.

If I say this one na witch now, some useless mumu people for here go say "I'm not enlightened" .

hakeem4:
Have you guys started watching television?

Is television now a yardstick for justifying your hatred for deeperlife?

Sanni Bello is a very, very useless governor. This man has now made Niger state a hub for bandits and all sorts of mayhem.

I sincerely do not know what to term his action as.

And what's wrong with deeperlife doctrine? Or are you the type that chooses to dress like a harlot while professing you're a child of God?

This man has become old and senile in everything thing he is doing.

tosaino95:
You're suggesting i go for the 40K job..

Indirectly. Please pardon the way I put