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Good riddance.

A further step would have been to make them play some home games behind closed doors or on a neutral ground. That way, the fans would think twice before rushing out.

Gerrard59:
Or they return to their home countries after the education obtained from the UK?

Aside from Anglophone countries, where graduate education has become an enterprise, in most parts of the world, you receive education and possibly an internship, and then return home. If the UK tightens its post-school pathway, what would the students do? Protest against in a country that is not theirs? Should someone decline an offer from Oxford University simply because the post-school pathways have been tightened?

Anyway, I don't fully blame those students. If the Brits had put their yansh in one place rather than colonising almost the earth, maybe this would not be happening.

The 'anglophone' or rather western nations aren't doing anyone a favour by commoditising education in same way the U.S isn't doing anyone a favour by having a monopoly over certain tech. The UK restarted the PSW visa cos it was clear they needed to provide a migration pathway to attract the students they need. It's always worth remembering that students are here cos the UK allowed and needs them. Education is a front door to modern migration and most migrants who moved as students have sacrificed more than most migrating folks have in all of human history.


Ultimately, those that pay also influence the market. If the UK makes it too difficult, students will vote with their feet. We've been there before. It's up to those paying 20k for fees to determine what value they deem adequate from fees they pay.

Kushites:
It’s based off NOTHING.

Just some white kids in America (this kind of stuff ALWAYS COMES FROM AMERICA, nowhere else), white racists that sit in their mum’s basement and post anti-black TRASH like this.

AND THEN NAIRALAND, OWNED BY THE SAME WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS, posts in their Front Page.

Quite despicable. Folks would get into problems stating this in many nations whereas Nairaland has decided to make it a frontpage topic on repeat.

The kind of things one sees on Nairaland. It's quite easy to brainwash many to see themselves as inferior. This keeps getting reposted with no one asking basic questions.

No wonder many have low self esteem.

What was this study based off?
How can a study conducted online across different nations with different internet penetrance hold water?
Even in the scientific community, there's so much debate on what actually is intelligence and how it can be measured.
Messi has proven himself a genius. It doesn't matter what an some test says

Imagine. The NFL should put an end to this. Fines should be steep, points deduction, playing in empty stadia e.t.c

Interestingly, during the recent conversations here about changes in visa rules, I did not see much along the line of .. 'afterall Saudi Arabia does xyz so don't complain'.
Folks used to cherrypick the worst rule in every society as an excuse why we should eat whatever we're served. Times have indeed changed

Goke7:
May our people receive sense and know that these opportunities are scarce and will not always be there. I know so many regretting now. I know folks who got Canada ITA here in this UK just two or three years ago but didn’t take it thinking they were super comfortable, now they are back in the pool praying night and day for favour. The same care pathway has been a stepping stone and blessing for so many to move to sustainable careers and better well being here in this Uk and other places in the world. It’s all about perspective and clarity about your why!

Hehe. I hope UK retains a reasonable pathway as many masters students might get stuck or see themselves repeating masters and phd on-end.

If I was in Nigeria today and looking to study abroad, I wouldn't be prioritising the UK.

HustlaOfLagos:
Fortune indeed favors the brave

Several years ago, I also didn"t move as "I No wan become 2nd class citizen for another man country" along with all manner of excuses all because I was relatively "comfortable" with how things were. I still have friends clinging on to the same mantra right now in Naija and honestly, it can work for some, while others will have to go through it the hard way

Folks that moved in 2008/2009 were already settled when I decided to leave in 2021. Nothing those guys didnt tell me then, they even gave me schools to apply that didnt cost much in the US etc but I didnt even bother to check them

When person wake up, that na in own morning

Na true u tok.. its one thing I've come to see with time. These days I no dey stress to convince folks. When people are ready, they'd act.

Also, I dont want to make it look like it's always a travel thing. Only that people should own their decisions. I have colleagues who I worked with and are content working in a small northern village providing service. I applaud them and would never see them as failures. Life is for living afterall. Where I draw the line is when folks start to make excuses for not taking opportunities.

When I was talking about Cana 2 ys ago- responses were in the line of... 'the grass is not greener', 'you're chasing utopia', 'its same everywhere' etc. Even when I tried to explain that conditions could be better or worse but hardly thesame, responses made it look like one was chasing a fairy. Now man has gone and seen, its then moved to man of 40 with kids cannot be moving about.

HustlaOfLagos:
I just looked at some of the replies to the guy's post and I just dey shake my head.


At the end of the day, I always remember something a classmate of mine said in 2023 that sounded like a joke but entered deep into my brain --

"Na UK be this. If you no ready use your brain upskill, na you sabi. Either you use your brain, or you use your body till old age, na you go choose one"

Every mallam with in kettle and we can all do what works for us

Fair enough at the bolded. Life has no one recipe for success.

Generally, people make decisions and then seek reasons to justify them. In the past, I used to get triggered when folks don't take visible opportunities only to give excuses later. These days I don't mind as much. A free market should reward those who are able to identify such opportunities and take the risk.

Two instances-

A colleague who once helped me out of a fix in 9ja was looking to move to the UK in 2020 ish. When I heard his plan, I follow give the guy ginja. I sent him money to help with part 1 of our two part exam cos he asked. Chap never took the exams then as he found an excuse. On subsequent conversations, it was one excuse after the other. Ultimately told him to make up his mind and act as he wasn't progressing his career back home eitherway. Since then we hardly spoke only for him to reach out to me this year in dire straits as he was needed some finiancial help to take the second part of the exams. He's now passed and was expressing regret at him delaying stuff. He sees the tide has changed and the doors are closing. He'd now need to work terribly hard to get what his mates got relatively easily years back.


Of late it was the Canada PR pathway. When special healthcare draws were introduced, it became popular in my circle. Some of us applied 1-2yrs ago and the scores needed were much lower and was quite clear they'd rise in future. I tried to push a friend who was already considering moving to apply. Chap told me he was looking at moving in 2027 and getting a job wouldn't be an issue so he didn't see the need to. He made it sound like the opportunity would always be there. After I moved, was surprised to hear he was imminently moving (but on a work visa instead). He had got had tired of the UK. Now the scores needed to get the PR draws are much higher and he's struggling to get nominated via a province as the limitations of being on a visa become obvious. Applying for a PR when the opportunity was being dangled would have made things much easier for him.

Goke7:
My sister parents in-law migrated to the US years ago in their sixties after her father in law retired as a top management staff in one of Nigeria’s mega banks. It was so strange to me then in fact we had to rush my sister’s marriage ceremony then as the man threatened we may have to do the marriage without them if we don’t hasten up, we think say na play o 😂. Apart from his house he sold every damn thing to migrate. He’s almost 80 now living the best of his life ...... The issue is understanding your why and clarity around your objectives with no pretence and reliance on what others think.

Well said.
People do it. It's only less common among the black community.
Infact, I only started taking the care pathway serious after a colleague used that to bring her parents in (I suspect). Folks had just retired in 9ja and built a house with proper opening ceremony. Within a year, I heard they were moving over - first thought it was a visit- only later got to realise it was full relocation and house was on the market. Baba is posting pics on the regular now. Ticha - a former regular here put her house on rent and moved to NZ with her kids cos she loved it. Vitually all my colleagues who moved over are married with kids...

I don't even want to make it a travel issue because it hardly is. It's all about unapologetically taking opportunities when they arise.

smartkester:
Hello everyone! Please who has an idea if Saskatchewan has done any PNP draws lately? I've been in their PNP pool since December last year and nothing yet up till now. Minimum score to qualify for their PNP was 60 and I got 65. It's still the only PNP route that seems easy to get because other provinces are demanding job offers. Please I would need more information if anyone has in this regards

Sorry I brought this here because no one responded to me on the main thread

Just wondering. Don't they post dates of draws on their website (even if its after ut has taken place)?

Ugmama:
Guys I see people talk about LISA account and other accounts that one needs to keep till 60yrs. I kept wondering why I should open up an account and keep it until I’m 60yrs without being able to draw. I am not up to 34 and I personally don’t fancy it. What if I need money at 50 for something. I will be charged back my earning and my own contribution as well. Omo life no balance🤣

The government rebate is one. The other is that the money grows tax free.
If you really need it beforehand, you can withdraw and pay the 25% fee.

It's a tool to plan and save for retirement. When young, it's easy to see it as something distant especially if one is a migrant. However, most of us would ultimately get old and we need to plan for retirement. I doubt the socialist state is this robust as it is now when we get there and even if it is, having your own savings gives you lots of leeway.

olubams:
Just to add some thoughts

a. To avoid the mortgage premium would mean putting down minimum 20%. It comes with some cost though. Because the mortgage would not be insured, it is more risky for the bank so your interest rate would likely be higher than an insured mortgage because they would factor this into the rate they would give you. You might want to do the calculation by comparing the rate with someone who is dropping less than 20% then see the amount you saving or paying more in interest. You can speak to a broker to paint the different scenarios. If I am the same position, I would do the hybrid approach. Pay less than 20% and the insurance premium, lock in lower rate, get refund on the premium paid for energy efficient houses, then pay it back on the loan itself.

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Interesting. The bolded never crossed my mind as I just thought the lower LTV would get a better rate. But looking at it thru the eyes of the bank, it makes sense though given that an external body now guarantees the loan. But for insured mortgages, does that insurance last the lifetime of the mortgage or carry on is one switches lenders in future?

I gather the issue with being an employee of ones company is that you pay both the employee and employer part of the CPP. The alternative is to take dividends but that excludes one from RRSP. I can oly wonder if the CPP and additional income tax on wage taken are made up by the RRSP and CPP.

safex:
Yes, I have a handful of them

Nice. Not ready to buy now but a breakdown of the whole process might steer people to consider it

bigpicture001:
Why is the camera man hiding the white man.. the technology of solar panel manufacturing is not easy..

So where is the white man responsible for the production..?

I mean the Chinese

Small mind. You think non-white folks can't make solar panels?

Jamesclooney:
See, that guy is not serious. I been Dey gbadu am before but he just pontificates and discounts other perspectives (no humility).

Even this japa to UK, I know how hard it was (so many missed occasions with family, cultural differences especially with raising children, dislocated long time friendships etc.)…then as I’m settling down, I will now Japa 2.0 just at the drop of a hat without something pulling or pushing me 😂 He’s talking from his own vantage point jare. To each his own

Hehe... our views are be different and everyone sharing theirs doesn't necessarily mean their hauty. We all see things differently.

OmichaelO:
thank you so much,

It was revisited

So we got 4.12% and offer has been accepted.

Awaiting contract exchange.

Congrats newest landlord... your rate is not bad as they have ticked up recently

HustlaOfLagos:
Again, I will always say "Excuses are easy"

Lots of people got that soft landing and still didn't do anything with it. A lot of students didn't get any soft landing but they researched before coming, right skills to seek etc

Well said. Trying to balance individual responsibility and wider factors at play is always walking a fine line. Its difficult to say these things without sounding hauty. I'm keen to point out wider drivers of inequality which is the reason I'm strongly against visa changes that impoverish migrants. If I put ants in a bottle and make it such that only one can escape at a time, it does not matter the hardwork they put in, they'd largely be stuck. One is not oblivious of overlying constraints.


I remember when this thread was full of posts about how difficult the driving test was. It got soo much that one had to point out that this exam was not hard. The illustration I gave recounted how when I first arrived this country, in the same class where someone lamented how the UK system was complex and how many times he had to take the test, a compatriot of his used thesame test to illustrate how the UK system was straightforward and non-gimmicky stating how the test would take you along known routes and ask you to do thesame thing your tutor had shown which wouldn't have been the case for a similar test in India.

Recently, I was trying to convince a migrant who is well read to promptly take an entry-level test in the UK so as to advance their career. The lady was more interested in telling me how hard it is and that they'd need at least 9 -12 months to prepare. I had to explain that this was a basic test that even those with learning issues are able to take and pass. Or is it someone who came in via a dodgy care company and had rebuffed all pleas to seek roles in different parts of the country. Next thing was that the sponsoring company's licence was revoked. Lady is now willing to work hard. I once had to work with a Nigerian in his late 60's/70's who had been here for a very long time but for some reason was stuck and didn't progress. Wetin 20yo girls take papa eye see was not nice. Examples abound- reason why I say, some get it, some don't.


People might think healthcare gives some succour which can be true to an extent. But then, its my experience there that makes me say certain things. There are alot of squabbles going on there without much public attention. As a migrant medic, some locals want you to come and suffer doing hard jobs for life while they progress and galivant. It's left for one to decide if they want to or not.

oluwaleokey:
Oga I want to believe you are also a politician (9ja + UK)
You have succeeded in confusing you .
Anyways I admire your writing skills and illustrations.
I can partially agree with you when it comes to aged single bachelors however for a men in their early 40's with family+kids?
Ordinary changing kids school within same locality could impact them let alone moving countries, perhaps different languages, culture, society, system etc u go know how far be that

E get age way man go reach like this, u go understand better say obodo oyibo nah obodo oyibo o, as long u see fine fine houses, roads, environment, white oyibo and most especially the foreign currency, otito!

Hehe.. hopefully, not all remain stuck there.

In life, we all make choices. Take two men of 40 with kids and put them in a workplace. Its almost guaranteed that in a period of say 15yrs, outcomes would be very different. Some of this might be by chance, some by effort. Infact many people refuse to japa in their 40's cos they dont think it's worth it whereas, I've seen a man in his mid 60's sell his house and japa. I've had married colleagues come into the country together, start at entry roles, after a while one keeps pushing on to advance while the other enjoys the entry role and remains there for periods on end. Again, none of these folks necessarily took a bad decision. They just focused on what mattered to them.


Even out of the workplace, the effort people put in things differ widely mainly based on the importance they attach to it. Move things over to say religion and some folks who were docile at work become firebrand. Again not bad, just choices- all of which come with implications.

Cyberknight:
No sir, I most certainly did not. You very clearly denigrated state school students in your original quoted post, now you're saying that you were only talking up private (fee-paying) school attendance.

That's a straw man argument you're trying to set up there, you know.

In any event, there's no point going back and forth, so I'll wish you a good morning when it comes and leave you to it.

Not surprised. Go read my post again.

In hurry to make insinuations you failed to understand the content of my conversation

oluwaleokey:
I believe age plays a major factor
You don't expect baba tunde with 3 kids or papa chukwudi with kids to jumping around countries even when they have got a reasonable paying job that's way above average pay?
It's entirely not a bad idea but remember some folks migrated with family or do not have age on their side anymore.
Good luck to all of us on any category we belong

I agree age and family can be a significant limiter but it does appear that just like with many things, some get it, some don't.

Even if you attempt to correct for certain variables and take two similarly aged folks in same field who came into the country at about same time and work for same employer, some would be satisfied just with the fact they're now in the UK and settle for whatever, some wouldn't.

Moving countries is a symptom of the underlying driver. One can work in thesame role all thru while still pushing up and being unforgiving about seeking and taking opportunities. You wouldn't regards Giggs or Xavi any less good because they played most of their career at one club.

Cyberknight:
Regarding the bolded comments, allow me to refer you back to your original premise that state school attendees are under-achievers, because you are clearly refuting your own argument and are arguing in favour of my assertion. Please also note that most grammar schools are state schools and private schools do not have catchment areas. The people paying high house prices and rents to live in these areas because of desirable schools are "rushing" state schools.

Regarding the italicised, I don't disagree with the fact that the UK is still a classist society and that (mainly white) public school leavers run the country, set themselves up through old boy networks, etc. It's well known (a recent report for instance showed that about 3/4 of judges are white and public schooled). That was not the point you were trying to make. You tried to assert that state school attendees are under-achievers dreaming of minimum wage obscurity, and I'm pointing out to you that that assertion is incorrect.

It appears you missed the whole point of my initial statement hence your post.

In simple terms I was saying that the worldview/mindset of a group of kids who attend a school where their parents could be paying over 10k per term (except they are talented enough to get a scholarship) would be on average quite different from the that of kids in a regular state school (which is largely a post code lottery). We can postulate what the possible drivers for this would be, but one thing is clear- it does feed into outcomes.
That's the reason I use private, grammar and even select regular state schools interchangeably in driving points. Many parents struggle to send their kids to these in an attempt to correct for certain variables i.e being among their peers with certain xtics.

Thats the whole point.

Cyberknight:
One wonders

I'd gloss over the rigmarole. The chap in question was the driver who drove me on home visits. With him working as a driver in different roles for over 20yrs in a county with quite a few private schools, I don't have a reason to doubt him especially as it fits with common experience.


The private school population in the UK is less than 10% yet even for a nation that is relatively fair and priced itself in upholding her working class citizens, over 50% of prime ministers in recent decades have been private schooled. That distribution is even more stark in certain sectors.

In the UK, a local student progressing to uni is hardly an achievement. People don't pay thousands in private fees so that their kids can go to uni.


To believe that certain forms of education don't carry a demonstrable premium (both perceived and real) is folly.

-My county has no grammar school yet there are quite a few folks who'd have their kids be transported almost one hour in each direction to attend a Grammer school in another county.
-Even the highly regarded state school in my county has by default added 15-20k in prices to houses within it's catchment.
-When I got my place, one of my top questions was the quality of schools around even though I didn't have kids.
-Some parents rent a place or engage in do alot of rigmaroles to ensure their kids are within the catchment of certain schools.
-Top unis had to go out of their way and introduce steps that broadened access as it was quite clear where their admissions tilted to.

I have not been one to push private (even in 9ja) but I've always asked folks with kids there if it was worth it and the response even for many struggling to afford it has been similar. Its less about what/how they are thought (which is manytimes better) but more about the mindset it inculcates.

Past governments pushed uni education as it was a proven pathway to break entrenched class barriers which the UK was known for. With the resultant increase in supply, the value of a bland uni degree may have devalued but there are still many fields/circles that are still quite elitist and difficult to break into without the right education/contacts.
Of late the UK tried introducing an apprenticeship program for medicine- a reason was the feeling that local admissions were quite elitist and did not reflect the demography of the local populace. It's even worse in law e.t.c

Goke7:
There’s never anything like uncontrolled immigration, visas were applied for and granted, even those coming by boats are being received and not that they just sneak in without anybody seeing them. The term or word uncontrolled is just political to always irk people against imaginary enemies. And even when the figures go down we still continue to heard the word uncontrolled!

Well said.

Zahra29:
Second gen? Lol

My question was simple- at what point does the change occur?
I see kids of colleagues and I dont see a Suelette or Kemi in them. At what point is that thinking likely to take hold?

Goodenoch:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DObsRoMjzGZ/?igsh=MTc1NnZ6ZmZ5azM3dA==

https://archive.is/W9ahu

Violent, lawless, broken Britain? The facts tell a different story

“The populist narrative of a migrant-driven crimewave is catnip on social media and oil to the wheels of Reform. But it is so far from the truth that we’re in danger of losing sight of the country we live in.”

It becomes impossible to believe what the facts do seem to suggest: that our society, for all its faults, is probably safer, richer and better than any before it....
Such scepticism is partly human nature: as living standards rise, expectations rise faster. What was once extraordinary soon becomes the baseline; discontent becomes the norm. Which is just as well, because discontent remains the engine of human progress.

Interesting article... one I'd sure bookmark.

It's puts succinctly something I noticed a while back and my major bugbear of working in the UK- the entitlement was insatiable.

With investment and funding etc, the NHS might someday catch up with demand but it'd never catch up with how entitled the current British poplace are.

Older colleagues would recount how decades back, they did much less with much poorer health outcomes yet folks were appreciative and felt they were saving the world. Today, health indices are close to the best they've been yet healthcare workers are hounded.

All said, while not discounting the real challenges with the NHS, I believe that if people start self-paying for part of their healthcare like is the case in Canada, the EU and AUS, satisfaction might actually rise.

HustlaOfLagos:
Thanks!

I appreciate this response.

For the bolded, I'd say it all boils down to one's circle, mindset, and if one is willing to strive for stuff and work hard towards it.

Many Nigerians walk with people in HC so they somewhat think thats all they have to do. Even worse when their friends want to pull them down with the typical crabs in a bucket mentality. Someone with solid banking experience in Nigeria should not be striving to work long shifts in HC when finance is one of the hot cakes in the UK if one actually works towards it

The circle theory can't be underestimated. One can't achieve what they can't see. The only reason I applied for my UK second tole was cos of a friend I came in with pitched it to me - I told him anyhow, I'm doing nothing now. Make we dey go. That has turned out to be one of the best decisions I made in my life so far. To contrast, there was another brilliant colleague who had been in the role we were joining for over 2 years with no progression. When he heard about our plans, he was shocked. Like wetin give una this mind. Even on my Canada waka, a close friend who was non-committal but 2 months after I waka, we spoke and he said I'm moving over. Already, he don join body.

A chap who used to drive kids related the huge difference in midset when talking to kids in local state schools vs private schools. He recounted that many of the state school kids would be talking about going to work in McDonald's e.t.c after they're done with no plan of progression. For the private school kids, it's which of the reputable unis they'd attend, where they'd go on a gap year e.t.c. It doesn't take a magician to see attainment would be vastly different.
If most of your circle bought their places or are into property, statements we've heard repeated here e.g 'what would the locals think' would not even cross your mind when you come to buy your place.

Folks should be able to pick up any job to feed their family but if you were a professional/doing well in 9ja, then it's worth taking the time to craft a pathway for yourself. It doesn't necessarily have to be in same field but it should pay well enough to see you enjoy things of life and plan for retirement. This is not even factoring in running a business

Goke7:
Those kind of aggressive and violent Christians are not different from Islamic fundamentalists. They are much in America and are great proponents of gun rights. They will tell you they are pro-life when it comes to abortion laws but can never be pro-life for gun control 😂

Hehe... In UK, many of those have not even seen a church in ages but all of a sudden become defenders of the church because the brown man next door is of a different religion.

I was only just having a conversation about that on Nairaland as it seems Kirk is now the new martyr. The rally of certain Christians towards lunatics- people who hate them for their colour all because that lunatic said 'go to church' or uses certain phrases is something else. Religion can truly be an opium

Goke7:
When Braverman too was reminded that her parents were refugees she replied that they were legal refugees 😂 that’s when I knew these folks are just jesters!

Hehe... didn't read this.

But seriously, I just can't narrow it down.

Though anecdotal, I have tried speaking to second-gens at different levels and still can't pin it down.
I look around and see kids of recent arrivals happy and mingling I just can't envisage them telling hardworking migrants in say 20yrs how they're parasites and their parentswere the model migrants. It boggles my mind. Perhaps our prominent second gen @Zahra29 could be of help here.

HustlaOfLagos:
..And here I am, feeling guilty as I am trying to test the market and see what's good after 1 year LOL

Did you have to pay sponsorship costs each time? That is the only reason I considered staying till after 2 years but with the way the UK is, best to enjoy yourself and at least earn well before they change rules again

I'd say be unapologetic about seeking the best for yourself along as it's within the rules and you try not to shatter connections unduly.

With many things, some people get it and some dont. I think it was Charlie Munger who said that when asked about having an economic mindset.

There are huge bottlenecks but it irks me when I see people limit themselves mentally and dont grab opp

When I came into the UK, despite my first role being a well paid job, I started planning for and went to an interview for my second role before fully starting the first. In 5 months, I resigned and moved on.
When I completed post-grad training, I narrowed down to 3 workplaces and was very clear. For the first, despite they had applied to the Home Office for visa sponsorship because of me (and got it), I told them if they can't match market rates I wouldn't be taking their offer and moved on. For the remaining two, I told the familiar one what the other was offering and as they couldn't match it, I left.
I enjoyed where I worked and after 2 yrs, resigned and worked via my company.

When the Canada PR route for healthcare workers launched, I grabbed it without thinking twice. Many here said I wad seeking utopia but I knew better.
On moving to Canada, after consideration, I decided to go with two clinics and work across sites. They are both aware. My plan remains to test both out and finally settle into one. No regrets so far.

At every stage, I had colleagues who had dithered and never took opportunities when they presented themselves. Many spent years with no forward plans. Recently I asked a recent arrival what their plans were and the lack of depth was annoying.

Reason why when folks insinuate opportunities are only out there for healthcare workers, I wonder whether its more of a chicken and egg scenario. Is it because that cohort are relatively less likely to settle for less? Even in 9ja, same was the case

Onlinetutor7:
Why cry more than the bereaved. Be an atheist in Peace.

You don't need to go ad-hominem when out of depth

I'm not an atheist. I'm a Christian and know enough about Christian values not to see Charltans like Trump as role models.
Whats next? Tomorrow you'd line up behind an active p0rn star because they said 'go to church'?
Are you that easy to manipulate?

Biglittlelois:
Control them remotely how? Explain in details pls

It's like the old quote- religion is the opium of the masses.

It seems people would follow any lunatic as far as they say something pro-christian even if that person is actively working against their interest. Pointing towards people who are openly racist to blacks as a reason why we should go to church does not make sense.

It's not hard to see how this would ultimately damage Christianity among the younger generations if it continues.

jesusjnr2020:
For those here who once bragged about the world's richest man, Elon Musk being atheist, it's becoming more and more obvious that they've lost their biggest fish even if he once was.

He himself said quite recently he believes in Jesus and His teachings, hence this single act of openly sharing Erika Kirk's "Go to church" post on X may just be the latest confirmation of his faith in Jesus.

God bless.

If Elon musk and Kirk are you pointers for Christianity, then I'm ashamed.

The use of religion to these people is to use it as a remote to control your likes