₦airaland Forum

scully95:
What did Donald Trump do recently with the Steel war ? What do you think he's tryng to do ? Trade war which will affect Canada and European market more since China has the biggest and cheapest in the world but still runs about 2% U.S market.

What donald Trump is doing is brining the jobs back to U.S..

What should Nigeria do in this case ? Continue to import Steel is not a good Economic policy and if you need to build new techology now to counter the existing ones like Russia is doing. You will need to go to China or elsewhere to do that right ?

No for a real military upgrade, you will need your personal steel industry to be working 100%





Please read again above. To upgrade your military against any existing ones. Either China, Russia, U.S or even NATO. A country of over 180,000 million people more than Russia should have a working steel industry to build it military. This is where NATO comes in. NATO/AFRICOM/ Anglozionist empire will not allow that because of this. It's a threat to their combined hegemonic interest in the region.

Do you understand how they are linked now ?



South Africa is a conquered zone conomically, the anglozionist empire runs the Economy 100% in South Africa. This is not the same with Nigeria where the Economy is still in the hands of a few but are Nigerians not foreigners. And still fighting just to survive. We just won an economic war recently. Are you aware of that ?

South africa is a zero threat to the anglozionist empire since it's already a conquered zone except recently that Land issue has come up. This land issue may turn south african to another zimbabwe..

Too much sugar in your diet.

kikuyu1:
I've been going over land ownership stats and realise certain assumptions are incorrect. The gov't isn't the largest land owner. Also,interestingly it appears,if figures are true, black land ownership has risen steadily. As of 2013
https://www.news24.com/Archives/City-Press/Most-SA-land-is-in-private-hands-survey-20150430

Also it seems blacks have empowered themselves individually without gov't initiatives to buy farmland:
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/who-owns-sas-land-20171028

The figure shows the provincial breakdown of black farm buys post 1994. Hmmmmm....

If I were you from a south african point of view I would not use news24 as a source because in SA we've seen how anti gov that site has been including the fact that its owners are on the other side of the SA race line.

Until there's a proper independent audit on land ownership in SA there will be no consensus on the validity on such figures.

jln115:
Stop this white and black sh1t!! corruption is corruption, accounting irregularities is just a another term for corruption in the auditing world hence why it was used in Deloitte's last Audit of Steinhoff.......I would know since i studied Chartered Accounting myself!!

Markus Jooste is a corrupt fvcktard who must rot in jail........Nobody and i mean nobody is defending his actions. The faster you get over this race obsession the faster we can move foreword as a country

Now why do you get so worked up on the issue, I'm just proving a point here that media in SA including those external sources love to paint things to suit a particular narrative and audience. These terms must be discussed whether you like it or not including the sugar coating of race motivated reporting in SA media. Now you yourself were the first one here to make it a black and white issue also, so I suggest you do some introspection yourself. I know its difficult for you as a person to accept this concept of land reform.

You know I'm not really against your reasoning on many matters discussed here its only our interpretation of some of the wording that is creating friction on the subject. I'm not race obsessed I'm a constitutionist that's all bru. By the way I'm not black either so your assertions on race don't really matter to me.

What I'm advocating is justice bru not to score cheap points with anyone here, so "moenie jou bloedruk laat hoog raak vir niks nie hoor"

Lionessza:
Don't even look far . Here is South Africa, the Steinhoff saga is the biggest corruption scandal to hit the country since 94. The banks , the evergreen contracts at the SOE 's ? . But that's not corruption, it's " collision". Lol, corruption is when your name is zuma or Gupta.

No my dear, when whites are corrupt and wipe out 10bn in just 1hour on the JSE through its corrupt accounting scams its called "mismanagement or accounting irregularities" simple accounting errors. The wording always changes when whites transgress, to make it more morally acceptable. Like you said Steinhof is a good example of such.

patches689:
"Land seizure in Zimbabwe is different"
"Land seizure in Angola is different"
"Land seizure in Zambia is different"
"Land seizure in DRC is different"
"Land seizure in Uganda is different"
"Land seizure in Tanzania is different"
"Land seizure in Ukraine is different"
"Land seizure in Russia is different"
"Land seizure in China is different"
"Land seizure in Venezuela is different"
(i could keep going, but I think you get the point)

If similar policy keeps having similar results, you cannot argue that there is "a difference"

And if you think, for even a second, that global capital wont treat South Africa like Zimbabwe, you are deeply mistaken. No one is going to invest a single penny in a country where they may end up having that penny seized from them, equally they arent going to keep a single penny their either.

Now you just being foolish or plain condescending. Why you trying to prove your point by referencing those countries that has never even went through apartheid policies that was part of SA longer then any other former western colony, by the way since when was there a Western colonization of "Russia". So no I don't want to get your point. Show me one country in the last 80 years that has had Apartheid racial segregation and group areas spatial policies imposed by a minority racial group in S.S.Africa.

Where do you get the idea that money or land will just be seized without any due diligence. This reminds when some whites keep on telling people that blacks are all corrupt and cannot run a company or country yet there are more examples of them being corrupt the world over.

No one is seizing anything yet.

patches689:
Where to begin with this?

Its tough when people dont understand basic free-market economics...

The economic collapse in Zim was mainly due to the fact that capital freaked the fvck out when the land invasions happened (for good reason) and people stopped investing/withdrew capital and dumped Zim dollars, stocks and bonds into the market - in other-words, billions of USD evaporated over night. Zimbabwe has received (according to the world bank) HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN AID, you cant say they are "under sanctions".

Second, yes, it is good that RSA has the economic policy it has with regards to farming. Not subsidising agri means that:

1. Taxes are not spent paying people to do their jobs (badly)
2. Open trade brings in food products cheaper, this means that people spend less on food, this means that people have more money to spend on other things - this leads to growth in other sectors. Equally because of #1, government can spend capital on other more meaningful things or they could cut taxes (as if) thus further improving the effect outlined in #2.

No, it is governments job to do neither. If you just leave private enterprise alone, it will grow and that will get people out of poverty. It really is that simple. India and China did just that - they got government out of the way - and as a result about a billion people have been lifted out of extreme poverty in just 30 years.

Finally, I fail to see how it is "white peoples responsibility" to have their assets stripped from them for no other reason than they are white. I also fail to see how stripping white people of their rights will lead to "nation building"

Ok Patchy I see know I'm dealing with a free market economic advocate.

Capital flights out of Zim was 1st because of sanctions then came the disastrous Mugabe policies and self enrichment policies for its elites.

On the issue of not subsidizing farming just answer me 1 thing. Does the EU who advocate free market systems not subsidize its farming Yes/No and then insist that countries like SA and the rest of the world except there cheaper products and then in return the EU put in tariff barriers to smaller nations like SA to access there markets by setting restrictive rules to enter there markets.

Open trade don't always lead to cheaper goods there are other consequences that arise also, just look at how companies like Mital Steel in SA went down under cheap Chinese gov supported steel imports. Just to give another example, just take a look at Trumps current policies today and tell me where they stand on this issue of free trade and market reforms.

You know you are talking bull when it comes to China and you know this because China has a dual system and has a far larger market compared to Zim or SA so you cannot even compare the two. In China the government first focused on building its industries before opening it up to foreign investment. China today still focus on state run companies in its economy. It still a communist state with limited free market principals and that's a fact.

China is big enough to dictate to the West its terms and conditions to market entry, the opposite is true when it comes to africa and its fragmented small states. China uses its large state owned banks to invest in its indigenous industries can the same be said about SA. Another fact that u seem to ignore also is that China also controls the Media in that country and the west looks the other way, can we say the same here in africa if we did that then there will be all sorts of sanctions and aid withdrawals. If you want to compare countries do it case by case.

Finally I think you are just being disingenuous on the land policy because we don't even have the final draft passed not to talk about its constitutionality that will still need to be assessed by the constitution if its to be accepted.

Most of the politicians right know including those racist broederbond diccckheads from FF+ and Solidarity are just playing politics with there constituents and ganging up the swart gevaar issues. The ANC knows that if there is a Zim style land redistribution there will be issues in SA simply because there is a large substantial white population in SA and it can lead to instability.

That said there will and must be meaningful land distribution in SA for its long term stability and everyone should support it, but it should be done in a manner that every South African agrees to it and that it should not affect investments nor the guarantee of property rights for both white and blacks.

jln115:
- Nothing wrong with disagreeing, we all have different opinions and there's nothing wrong with that, but at least now we can have a civil debate about this, So anyway my question to you is...Ignoring the sanction that collapsed Zims economy, what actually caused the Agri sector to collapse? bare in mind that pre94 SA was heavily sanction not just by the west but also the east, yet the agri sector never collapsed?

-I agree 100% i do think we can fix this broken economy left by Zuma, and IMO CR is the man to do it.

The answer is simple SA farmers survived because it relied on cheap slave labor. Farm workers had no labor rights worked long hours without decent working conditions or living standards. Till today some of those conditions still exists just go look at the Western Cape, Northern Cape "dop system" that has had devastating effects on farming communities and has led to crippling social health problems.

Your view on Zim is mostly sanctioned on a Western media ideology and lacks substance. The issues in Zim is much more complex and it also borders on foreign interference and economic sabotage. We can even conclude that the West especially the UK took Zims stance on land reform so personal that it even covertly sponsored an illegal coup at some point involving British nationals.

My point is that we should judge Zim and SA differently, because it has profoundly different sets of conditions economically and politically. Scare mongering just to drive a certain political narrative won't give us here debating the issue of land reform in SA any consensus.

jln115:
The whole agricultural sector was destroyed..... Zimbabwe went from the bread basket of Africa to having half the population starve....that can't be blamed on sanctions since SA pre94 was also heavily sanctioned by the whole world ... Yet the argri was still able to produce enough food for everyone

The whole point of a government is to improve the living standards of the people...... It is literally impossible to improve anything with a destroyed economy. So your logic of destroying then rebuilding the economy imo makes no sense.

You do realize that sanctions against apartheid SA was a fallacy, because most of those sanctions were bypassed by the very countries who implemented them while some leaders like UK's former old hag prime minister Margaret Thatcher openly supported the NP policies at times. Zim only starved because most of there imports are coming in by trains and trucks, because it has no port to directly import goods and the fact that its finance ministers mismanaged there currency to a point where they just printed money. It was never the land issue that made Zim digress it was simple bad management of its economy.

I must say that your assertion that SA agri sector will fall if there is expropriation is also not true, because the agri industry has already not been performing for close to 16years now because of SA's following of open market policies without protecting farmers that led to dumping of EU farming products that cut farming in SA by 35% already.


Its not just the prerogative of the gov to grow the economy and get people out of poverty, but its also the private sector and especially those who benefited from the past regime to lend a hand in nation building. As long as there will be some organizations who resists transforming and gov not implementing good policies they already have and stop there corrupt practices these issues of land reform will continue.

Pusyiter:
I dont disagree....but which is better, White manage the land properly and help the economy or black mismanage and damage the economy? If na white dey rule 9ja, we would have been more developed than now .

Whites only develop for themselves then export there earnings to the West, while they exploit black farm workers by paying them with alcohol and a 25kg bag of maize.

Stop your white worshiping here in SA we've seen how these very socalled people you worship run companies and steal the wealth from there very employees and make the country poorer, just go read up on Steinhoff and the effects they have on a country when they miss-manage. Whites are no better then africans just take a look at Eastern Europe in places like Poland, Romania, Estonia and the likes even Botstwana is better of then some of those countries.

nemesis4u:
From my experience on similar kind of issues not exact but close to same.

1.Any kind of correctional measures based on identification like race tribe ethnicity etc is counter productive , it will never stop .

Eg. If pink versus yellow , pink wins , later pink will start fighting among itself for same resources/doleouts and this will continue. Becz the system which supported pink will support divisive elements within pink . This is a harsh reality and fact.

2.Color based division will lead to -> tribal based division will lead to -> ethnic based division will lead to -> linguistic based division will lead to -> financial based division will lead to -> social division and will continue so on

3.if u give a person a fish , u make him dependent , but if u teach him to fish u make him independent. Without the skill set and interest of concerned individuals to utilize allocated resources, will lead to wastage and unproductivity. It will vary but will be on the higher side compared to no of people who will actually be able to utilize it.getting Ownership of resources is not the cure all.

4.financial heath and structure of a country is a fragile complex interconnected ecosystem. If changed without buffering will sent back the economy by decades.

5.pink say yellow stole from us in the past, in present pink took from yellow , tomorrow yellow will say pink stole from us. 2 wrongs don't make a right. It only perpetuates the wrongs and the miseries.

6.politicians care for none but themselves , the net beneficiary will be them rather than the 2 parties , it pays to keep a dispute lingering rather than solve it , which otherwise will make them redundant.


This my own observation based on kind of similar situation in my country.


And where resource utilisation is concerned Rather than redistribution it should be co-investment/co-participation for mutual benefit and improvement.

There should be guidelines and a robust and fast redressal mechanism to sort out issues at the individual level. At no point must politicians be involved other than the framing of guidelines with common consensus.

But the problem is we r humans , and we will err

Your argument will hold water under your own country's prevailing socio-economic conditions and the fact that it was done at a time when most african countries only got out of colonial rule.

In SA unlike in Kenya there is a disproportionate unequal land ownership which is and was not the case in many other african countries. In SA whites still has disproportionate land ownership compared to there black counterparts and it is a ticking time bomb. A country like SA with its other social and economic issues there is a need for equality otherwise one day there will be a revolt and it will lead to instability in SA.

There is a law already in place but not all stakeholders are willing to make sacrifices, government and farmers need to reach consensus on the issue. If you only knew how whites react on the issue of land reform and the issue of economic exclusion of blacks in some sectors like land and financing of land you will have a different view if you're a non white in SA and that's a fact that whites continually refuse to accept.

jln115:
Ok so the land taken from the Boere by the British?, will that also be redistributed? Or are they to white and to entitled for that?

As I said before how can you morally justify taking the land of innocent(Without compensation)....yes innocent people who for obvious reasons had no idea that the land they bought was taken from some dead person by another dead person 120 years ago?

And who's your afriforum guys??

This your argument is exactly the reason why SA has not moved an inch on land reform nor equality. Who is the innocent....? Are you talking about those whites who till this day don't afford there workers any rights and refuse to adhere to labor laws. The fact is that the agriculture sector including those companies who own large pieces of land has to come forward and participate in a land redistribution program in order for them to move forward and deal with this issue and find solutions.

The gov and its past incompetence with regards to this land should also start and engage farmers and land owners in order to allay fears of such a policy so so that it may find credibility with investors and guarantee property rights for both black and whites alike.

jln115:
Reluctance??By law if there was a successful land claim the owner had to sell his property!! Fact is 90% of land claim applicants chose the money over the land.....what does that tell you??

There you just answered your own question. The fact is that there will not be wholesale expropriation without compensation and whites knows this because then it will mean food security will come under threat, even the ANC is aware of this danger to both the people and the economy. The only land under that has and will fall under the restitution policy is the land taken from 1910 and most of your Afriforum guys are aware of this but for political reasons choose to ignore this fact.

There is other factors that some people also want to ignore under the new proposed law is that the issue of land leases that will form part of the proposed Bill.
I think its disingenuous of some people to just through the hole restitution debate out, just because they feel entitled as whites.

Henry240:
Who owns the vast majority of land in RSA?

Why is it that White South-Africans simply do not want to have a conversation as regards to Land redistribution? You cannot expect this issue to just disappear.

This is what I've been asking for a longtime. Whites own more then 23,9% of SA's land yet blacks own less then 10% according to latest figures.

The issue here is whenever the land question is uttered then issues of Zim, food security and failed land expropriation efforts of the last 10 years come up, not to mention the threats of civil war to scare the masses by white minority supremacy groups like Afriforum and that fool called Steve Hofmeyer.

For 2 decades there's been a reluctance on whites to share the land in SA under a policy of compensation. The issue here is the implementation of the new proposed Land Restitution Bill, and what safeguards it will give to property owners and how to ensure food security in SA.

What is troubling here is that whites are being disingenuous when it comes to this issue because CR said there will be consultations between the gov and opposition parties on how the policy will be implemented. This very topic reminds me of the "swart gevaar" propaganda of the NP of yesterday now in full swing by Afriforum and its broederbond fools

patches689:
South Africa's ruling party, the ANC as headed by Cyril Rhamaposa, has chosen to amend the Constitution and implement a policy of "expropriation without compensation" so that land may redistributed from the White minority to the Black majority.

Recently Ramaphosa addressed parliament in Cape Town and made clear that his priority is to heal the divisions and injustice of the past, going all the way back to the original European colonists in the 1600s taking land from the indigenous tribes. Ramaphosa called this “original sin”, and stated that he wants to see “the return of the land to the people from whom it was taken… to heal the divisions of the past.”

What are your opinions on this issue?

***************NB******************

This is an extremely contentious issue - thus I ask that commentators keep arguments and responses respectful, and focus on the "idea" and not on the "person" advancing the idea. Substantiate your arguments with facts as much as possible.

Racism, Xenophobia and Foul Language will not be tolerated.

Ok to kick start this one off, what other alternatives to land restitution is there besides expropriation without compensation since the latter has failed in SA for the past 2 decades. We all know about ANC incompetence in the land reform process but, this is a process that SA must go through to effectively solve its land issues.

patches689:
Not a single thing I said was racist, not once did I mention race in any way. My post was carefully and specifically crafted to explicitly avoid the issue of race.

But since you have opened the door, let me walk through it: the reason I feel so strongly about this issue is specifically because a policy that strips land from people based purely on the color their skin, a mere accident of birth, is racist and deeply immoral.

It was evil when the Apartheid government did it, and it is evil now. And if they wish to commit a sin, make no mistake, I intend to profit from it.

Maak n ander thread dan kan ons mekaar daar gaan skop skiet en doner my friend.

Anyway I have my own views on the subject and its the total opposite. This issue is more then just land restitution.

patches689:
Land is not worth dying (or killing for). Its just dirt. We live on a planet full of dirt. SA and the majority seem determined on economic ruin. Fine, they were warned of the consequences, they still want it, let them have it.

There are plenty of African nations that have already learnt this lesson and are keen on doing business - great agricultural opportunities in Zambia, Tanzania, Kenya, Angola, Uganda, Nigeria and the DRC. Anecdotally, I went to uni with a Zimbo whos family had lost practically everything in the early 2000's - her father made a deal with a provincial governor in Malawi to farm macadamia nuts and by the time I met her (2008) her family was wealthier than they had ever been in Zimbabwe, and by all accounts the locals in Malawi were thrilled to have them there while the government had been very supportive of them.

SA farmers should be looking at making similar deals with other governments - just look at the greatly beneficial relationship former Zimbo farmers have established with the Zambian government. Just 100 farmers increased Zambias maze crop by 70% in one year and during a drought and are now moving onto cash crops, lifting 2,5 million Zambians out of food-insecurity.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/white-farmers-thrive-zambia-years-driven-zimbabwe-171123140704208.html

South African farmers could repeat this success all across Africa, lifting millions out of food shortages, generating huge revenues for sensible African governments (such as Kenya, Tanzania and Zambia) and providing jobs to many tens of thousands of low-skill workers currently stuck in the poverty-trap. We could become a key player in Africa's renaissance.

fok hierdie plek, dis tyd om te trek

You're sounding more like a racist bigot.

panafrican:
South Africa should hold a referendum on same sex marriage or just ban it now.

Why should we, SA is not a religious shiiithole based on worshiping ancient sky fairies. SA is a modern secular Constitutional Republic so we will protect same sex marriages by all means necessary because that's what our Freedom Charter envisioned almost 50 years ago.

Get with the times stop living in 1960's panafrican the world is moving on, stop trying to enforce your believes and norms on others. The sooner you lot here do it the happier you all will be.

panafrican:
To JK187
Roman knew about corruption, so did the Babylonians, the Greeks and possibly the ancient Egypt.

Moreover 20th century and 21st century European countries are as crooked as the most corrupt 3rd world country. The only difference is their populations have been brainwashed in believing they are the best.

Suppose Zuma is corrupt, did he push corruption to the point he used South African defense forces to invade and plunder any country ? ( Think about what happened to Libya, Cote d' Ivoire, Iraq and Syria to say the least).
Europeans leaders are siphoning billions from the countries they destroy, then they hide those billions in Muslim countries such as Qatar, Koweit, Saudi Arabia etc. where no-one can go and get some clearance for a thorough investigation. That is why they all love defending Saudi funded jihadists.
I mean let's not believe that skies are falling in Africa.

Zuma was elected by the people, for the people. Let the people decide through a recall and democratic process.

I understand your point of reasoning, but we in SA who has seen how Zuma enriched his family in the last five years has been trying to get him out of office. So its the people who started showing the ANC in the last elections that it will soon be a opposition party if it continues on its trajectory. We've seen first hand how Zuma's patronage politics, corrupt cabinet appointments and inconsistent policy directions has corroded the rule of law in SA to a point where Indian nationals were appointing ministries and almost caused the collapse of more then six state owned companies.

In the end the buck stops with the ANC and Zuma as the head of state when things go wrong. The man has been found to be a constitutional delinquent by the Highest Court in the land who he incidentally appointed too.

South Africa needs a government who puts its people first not certain interest groups or foreign state actors.

panafrican:
Corruption ? Please !
Zuma was democraticly elected by the people of The Republic of South Africa , so why should he be forced out of office by a small group of people within a political party ?
What does South Africa constitution say? Is there any due process?
Why not a nationwide petition for a recall ?
The deep state practices some people are fond of in S.A must stop.

You on your own on this one, the Constitutional Court in SA already said that Jacob Zuma on a number of occasions broke his Oath of office. Is it deep state when your people get fed up with african leaders who enrich themselves, while diverting money meant for the poor and giving it to foreign corrupt business men who divert money to UAE.

When will africans stop there mediocrity and love for self serving leaders who care more for there own well-being. Zuma must go to jail with his friends.

Caseless:
Southafricans are hateful people. I like what they don't like.

I stand with zuma.



Don't resign , Zuma. Kpata kpata na political unrest go end am or escalate to something else.


I stand with zuma.

Shame so say a man who is ruled by tribalist bigots.

Rapmaestro:
hopefully, he'd do the right thing..

There's already indications the thief won't step down.

Rapmaestro:
So, when he steps down, will ramaphosa take over as president or will there be an instant election?
I bet the Parliament can't oust him.. You'd need military to remove someone like Zuma, just like it happened to Mugabe.. He has loyalists in Parliament I'm sure

No, South Africa is a constitutional democracy and the military has no seat on the table other than protecting the sovereignty of the State. Yes he has loyalist in the Parliament but most of those fools will try and protect their stomachs, so stomach politics will be the order of the day and they will vote along party constituency lines.

But Zuma is done since he's lost the support of the ANC NEC he's on his own now, so he has two options at this point either he steps down or face impeachment and a parliamentary no confidence vote which would mean he loses all he's Presidential retirement benefits.

flyn:
leave their country for them, their targets are Muslims countries, cry cry baby like you

Me I don't cry for any fool who leave their country instead of driving the change they want for the future themselves. Their targets are not just muslim its even Christians, as well who don't hv the pigmentation deemed superior enough for there Zionist ideology.

emmie14:
Africa is not united. There must be a secret documents that will allow countries like south Africa and Uganda remain while Nigeria and Sudan are targeted. South Africa will keep mute to the actions. Fight at your own risk.

The reason SA remains is because we focus on institutional capacity building rather then religious bull sh*t like Nigerians. Nigerians are to trapped in religion while the very people who brought religion to your shores have moved on. Nigerians love those Zionist racist so much you put up a fight for those Jewish b*stards who never gave a fcvk abt africans.

South Africa has already put in strict trade conditions on Israel including downgrading SA's embassy in Tel Aviv into a Liaison Office.

In conclusion the ANC and SAns post 1994 has never been a friend of Israel.

Jungle warfare training

newafricaken254:
stop b@tch about other people countries you white Afrikaans,releasing your stress on us because of sh@tty country,if you can't act civil.head to your own south african forums.stop trolling this thread for your amusement,your the reason this thread is turning to sh@t and the least contributing member

Crime Intelligence: Convicted robber Captain Morris ‘KGB’ Tshabalala ‘fired’ following arrest and denial of bail

After working for the police for years despite having a criminal record, controversial Crime Intelligence officer Captain Morris ‘KGB’ Tshabalala has finally been 'fired' from the service. By ORATENG LEPODISE. 1

Just days after being denied bail on corruption charges, Captain Morris ‘KGB’ Tshabalala’s employment with the SAPS appears to have been terminated.

This comes after it was revealed in the Specialised Commercial Crime Court in Pretoria last week that the Crime Intelligence officer had been convicted of armed robbery and sentenced to 10 years in jail in 1996, which he failed to serve despite losing an appeal.

On Monday News24 reported that the police had fired Tshabalala. But police spokesman Brigadier Vishnu Naidoo said Tshabalala had been dismissed in 2013 and had not been on the payroll since then.

Naidoo’s comments are contrary to details contained in an indictment presented to the court last week that indicated that while Tshabalala was arrested in connection with an armed robbery in Sasolburg in 2013 and for which he was sentenced to 10 years, he remained on the police payroll despite being “dismissed”.

According to the indictment, Tshabalala served two-and-a-half years of his 10-year sentence before being released on parole.

On his release in 2015, Tshabalala returned to work at Crime Intelligence where he has been receiving a state salary of between R20,000 and R30,000, and has the use of a state vehicle with a fuel allowance of up to R8,000 and a R1,500 cellphone allowance, the indictment stated.

Officials from the Independent Police Directorate arrested Tshabalala on 16 January 2018 when he arrived to meet with his parole officer.

He is now facing five charges including fraud, corruption and theft relating to payments made from the Crime Intelligence slush fund. On Friday he was denied bail.

According to the state’s case, Tshabalala claimed R478,900 from the fund to pay for blinds and curtains at a safe house but paid only R270,000 to Umwezo Wethu Promotions CC for the work done. He allegedly kept the remaining R208,900 for himself. Umwezo Wethu Promotions CC allegedly also paid him an additional R50,000 as a kickback.

In a second transaction, Tshabalala allegedly claimed R85,105 on behalf of the same company but only paid over R39,500 to it, keeping the rest for himself.

“This (Tshabalala being fired) is long overdue. Captain KGB should never have been appointed in the first place as a convicted person fleeing from justice. This points to an abysmal failure by the SAPS vetting processes,” said Zakhele Mbhele, DA Shadow Minister of Police.

Tshabalala first joined the SAPS as an intelligence gatherer in 2001 despite his 1996 conviction.

In court last week, his lawyer argued that Tshabalala had not evaded prison but failed to serve his sentence as he had been misinformed by his legal representation at the time.

“I continued with my normal life in and around Gauteng after that,” said Tshabalala.

According to state prosecutor, Advocate Chris Smith, Tshabalala has been bragging about enjoying protection from police heads and some politicians.

Tshabalala denies this.

Commenting on Tshabala’s arrest, Gareth Newham from the Institute of Security Studies said: “Crime Intelligence is highly dysfunctional because people at the top are not doing their jobs.”

According to Newham the profound dysfunction in SAPS started in 2011 during the presidency of Jacob Zuma and it has since been declining.

Newham said the problem the Crime Intelligence division has is its senior management. “This is one small arrest when there are a large number of senior people who should be dealt with,” said Newham.

He said Crime Intelligence was a critical division within the police as it helped tackle organised crime.

“IPID cannot fix the problem in Crime Intelligence, it is SAPS that should do this... We have heard nothing from the national commissioner about fixing the problem in Crime Intelligence,” he said.

Meanwhile, Mbhele said that “if the police leadership was seriously committed to fighting crime, it would not elevate compromised individuals to top positions. link https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-01-29-crime-intelligence-convicted-robber-captain-morris-kgb-tshabalala-fired-following-arrest-and-denial-of-bail/#.Wm_5yoKgfDc

Wonderful news thanks for the info I never knew this was happening in my shithole

Now please send my regards to your newly elected alternative President Raila Odinga

newafricaken254:
i am trying to fathom how you can hire someone who has a criminal record,when you job is to keep track of this criminals

The South African Police Service recently admitted that hundreds of serving police officers are convicted criminals. The figures are shocking but they fail to reveal the full extent of criminality in the police.PDATE – 23 July 2014: Last year the South African Police Service revealed that a “protracted” and “thorough” audit of the police’s ranks had found that 1,448 serving police officers were convicted criminals. Lieutenant-General Nkrumah Mazibuko – the acting deputy national commissioner for human resource management – told the country’s parliament at the time that action would be taken within a year to clean out the police’s ranks. Pressured by MPs for a timeframe, he offered a “temporary date” of June 2014 for the police’s fitness boards to finish evaluating all the cases.

That hasn’t happened. According to a report in the Afrikaans daily newspaper, Die Burger, South Africa’s new police minister Nathi Nhleko said this week – in response to questions from the opposition Democratic Alliance – that all 1,448 police remain on active duty. According to Nhleko, the Labour Court ruled last month that the work of the fitness boards was illegal, invalid and without any legal force. This followed legal action by the police union Popcru. The South African Police Service (SAPS) revealed recently that 1,448 serving police officers are convicted criminals, among them a major-general, ten brigadiers, 21 colonels, ten majors, 43 lieutenant-colonels, 163 captains, 84 lieutenants and 716 warrant officers. And it has hesitantly promised to rid the police of these “unwanted elements” by June 2014.

Is this, as the police implied, the extent of criminality in the police service? If true, it would mean that fewer than one percent of South Africa’s 157,470 police have been involved in criminal activity. Furthermore, is the commitment to rid the police of convicted criminals serious? If so, what is the evidence?
National police minister Nathi Mthethwa described the audit which produced the figure as “protracted” and “thorough“. The 1,448 police it uncovered had all been convicted of “serious crimes” ranging from murder and attempted murder to rape, assault, corruption, theft, robbery, house-breaking, drug trafficking, domestic violence and aiding escapees. At least 64 of them are currently based at police headquarters.
link https://africacheck.org/reports/south-africas-criminal-cops-is-the-rot-far-worse-than-we-have-been-told/

Nice article, now tell me how does this contribute to the safety and security of Kenya, on this thread.

tdayof:
Yes plus how many Rooivalk orders will be needed before a production line can be reopened?

Atleast 40 units minimum

Good for them, I'm waiting for african countries to stop using English and French in schools and focus on indigenous languages so as to install pride in there locals and to protect there country's heritage. Germany, France, China and all other developed nations put there own mother tongue first before any other foreign language that's why they can innovate and develop.

Its good and well to know how to communicate in English but you will only gain respect if you develop your own.

That's just my $1 speech

This smells like CIA/Mossad regime change plans in progress. Few weeks from now there will be a UNSC resolution imposing a no fly zone over Iranian airspace, while two USS Nimitz Class Carries and its NATO criminals will be stationed off the Iranian coast awaiting orders to bring democracy to Iran and free the "People" from an "Oppressive regime".

Xbee007:
The Paveway is a guided missile. And definitely having Super Tucano means Nigeria will have some classified info of some of its components which Americans would want to guard jealously. Just imagine what the Chinese would do with it if they can lay their hands on it, no offense to our hardworking Chinese friends.

The Paveway is a guided bomb kit not a missile. There's nothing special about guided bombs even Denel has a better bomb kit like the Al Taraq which was a joint development with UAE's Tazwan defense.

Stop making things special when in reality China has no interest in a Super Tucano turbo prop system.