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Shma:
In Kenya, all wild animals are restricted. The few that roam around like warthogs, baboons, etc are restricted by laws. No one can hunt them unless it's for self-protection when they want to attack - of which, the meat will still be taken by KWS.

No one disputed the fact that SA has more game pp in Africa. The bone of contention is the growth rate since poaching activities were cracked down in Kenya.

The game Breeding industry is even bigger than the hunting industry...hence why the game population continues to grow at an unprecedented rate.... The game population growth in SA is unmatched in Africa.

Even though Kenya might have cracked down on poaching the problem now is habitat loss due to Lifestock farming....

Shma:
6.3%. Don't deduct figures.

Im going of IMF and WB figures

Shma:
Broh, no. Hunting without a hunting permit is illegal. Unless your country has legalized wildlife hunting like you're trying to imply - hence, poaching is something to be proud of - the reason for your W.P surge.

In a nutshell, wildlife should be protected at all costs, you can't be killing ostriches and claim it's legal.

Now, drop the link and the year where our govnt has stated the emboldened

you don't need hunting permits to hunt in SA just permission from the land owner.... There are bag limits on certain species and some endangered species you need a permit...... I have hunted since I was a boy, I know South African hunting law better than most.

Also remind me which country game population is growing by 20% and which country has more game than the entire continent combined?

Shma:
Get your facts right. W.B has revised our growth projection, it's going to be higher than the figure you've displayed.

Kenya Treasury on the other hand has projected our economy to grow at 6.3% this year.
https://citizentv.co.ke/business/world-bank-revises-kenyas-2021-growth-projection-higher-5-13102332/

Latest submission by AFDB
https://www.kbc.co.ke/afdb-predicts-strong-economic-recovery-in-east-africa/


https://www.kbc.co.ke/afdb-predicts-strong-economic-recovery-in-east-africa/

OK so 5.6% then

Shma:
Zombie, what's wrong with you? I can't keep on explaining the same thing over and over again. I gave you evidence of our wildlife pp boom but you're still clutching at straws, nigga!!. Whether subspecies as you call it or not they're still big 5, and they are all increasing in pp. The point here is that you have data that sum up the decline of our W.P for 3 decades when poaching was at its peak. You're forgetting to factor in the increasing pp since poaching was brought to halt.

You can only prove me wrong on hunting activity if you display your hunting permit here, otherwise, you're a poacher. ..

And how many more research papers and articles even from your own government do you want me to post to get it in your thick head that Kenya's wildlife populations are in decline... To this day!!

Again nobody is arguing that some populations are increasing however as a whole your wildlife is declining as stated by your own government.... Or is your government wrong?

Also you don't need permits to hunt(majority of species) in South Africa just permission from the land owner. There are however bag limits for certain species and a handful of endangered species you need a permit to hunt.

Shma:
@Jln115. You won't like this

Thirteen East African economies are projected to collectively expand by 4.1% in 2021 from 0.4% last year, supported by a global recovery, according to an African Development Bank report.

East Africa is the only region on the continent to have avoided a recession in 2020, thanks to agriculture, sustained public spending on large infrastructure projects, and increased regional economic integration, according to an AfDB report published on Thursday. The lender reviewed the performance of 13 economies: Burundi, Comoros, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Rwanda, Seychelles, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Tanzania, and Uganda.

All 13 economies are projected to record growth in 2021, with Kenya expected to post the highest at 6.3%. Expansion in the region is expected to accelerate to 4.9% in 2022 and 5.6% the following year on account of rising commodity prices and growing economic diversification, according to the report.

source?

Because the Afdb puts it at 5%, WB at 4.5% and IFM at 5.6%

Shma:
I'm not shifting any goalposts bruh. I'm debunking your previous claim that Kenya wildlife pp is declining. Yes, our pp surged them days when poaching the game of survival. The act was brought to a halt when tough laws against poaching were enacted.

You can't be peddling pics hunting wildlife and then claim you're of opinion that poaching is not good. You're indirectly saying that poaching does not impact anything in SA and thus, it's a good Act.

its not a myth that Kenyas wildlife is declining.... Its a fact, nobody is disputing that some specie population are going up but the majority of your wildlife is declining as stated by your own government.

I said hunting contributes massively to conservation.... Not poaching, if you don't know or can't understand the difference between hunting and poaching then you truly are ret@rded....

Shma:
It's not about which park has more animals than the other. I guess we, re not on the same page.

You brought up a debate justifying how poaching is good for SA. And I countered your debate by introducing the growth rate as of 2017-2012. I narrowed the debate down to the big 5 since that is where our stats were obtained.
Now, can you drop the link of the 15% annual growth rate? I think you're now cooking data bruh.

no you are just shifting the goal posts each time yet unfortunately for yourself you still being destroyed.

And I did post it.... In fact I think that figure is in one of your own sources you posted as well if I'm not mistaken.

FYI when did I say poaching is good for SA?? Please show me where I said that?

Shma:
Tourists will come to Kenya to see lions, rhinos, elephants, leopards, buffalos & wildebeest, etc... A tiny percent of tourists will say they want to visit Kruger to see hyenas. That's why I was so keen on the big 5 - what triggers tourists to visit your parks.

And yeah, I gave you rhino stats. They Are declining in Kruger- the single largest park in SA. We're yet to tackle other parks but I'm pretty sure there are declining too. Unless you prove me otherwise.

Yet excl Elephants, South Africa has dramatically more of every big 5 animal.....so again that's your argument completely destroyed.

As I said before Rhino numbers are growing by up to 15% p.a on private reserves, and the population has actually increased year on year since 2019.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
There is vaccine for anthrax. I never knew .
In fact it might not be Anthrax. The symptoms look very similar but it might not be but what I know it is killing wildlife. Thank you for letting me know that Anthrax has a vaccine

this is 2012....

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Poaching has a effect wildlife, one of the biggest effects facing wildlife today especially in South Africa Lesotho and Zimbabwe is anthrax. Anthrax is killing Rhinos hippopotamus lions and hyenas in South Africa especially Kruger National Park it is a very deadly disease which can stay in the soil for a number of years. When I visited a lot of game animals are being killed by the disease

anthrax is only a problem for unvaccinated animals...... Almost all private game reserves and national parks vaccinate there wildlife.... Hence why the anthrax outbreak is contained in Lesotho

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Some of the infrastructures in Nigeria since 1980 or 1992 they are still building them. It is very surprising when you find infrastructures going for 30 to 40 years and nothing to show for it

really? like what?

Shma:
We based it on the big 5 and I gave you the stats for all the wildlife in that category. Unlike Kenya, Some of Your big 5 populations are declining.
The data that you never bothered to open
Lion Pp has increased by 25% in 3yrs.
https://www.bornfree.org.uk/news/lion-increase-kenya

The elephant population is booming since poaching was cracked down.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/09/01/kenya-s-elephant-population-is-on-the-rise-as-poachers-hunted-down

Rhino pp has grown by a whopping 40% since 2017 and is projected to grow by 5% annually.
https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino-species/black-rhino/rhinos-increase-in-kenya/

In the second link, you'll also find that giraffe, Grévy’s zebra and hirola (hunting antelopes) are all increasing in population.

which of our big 5 is declining? Also since when does 5 species = the entire wildlife population?

Shma:
Cool. I think we're now in agreement that Kenya wildlife Pp is growing at a faster rate than SA, going by 2021 data & big 5, should we now move on to the next topic?

how the fvck did you even come to this conclusion? SAs wildlife is growing at 20% and yours is declining....

VEHINTOLAR:
Can anyone please tell me the essence of this thread ? Mtchew,arrant nonsense !

why are you here?

Mkenya2019:
Because you think Nairobi cannot overtake Joburg anytime soon - and as you can see Nairobi rise is broad - not just infrastructures - but retail, residential, warehouse and industrial, office spaces, hotels and name it.

once Kenya as a whole catches Joburg then we'll talk

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
the project is still at ground level

all infrastructure begins at ground level?? Do you want it to pop up magically like it's sims 4??

Shma:
Maybe this article will help you understand what I'm trying to put across. Go straight to the last paragraph.

(Cape Town, South Africa – February 1, 2021) – About 62% of rhinos poached in South Africa in 2020 were killed in the Kruger National Park, show newly released statistics on rhino poaching in South Africa.

Statistics released today by the Department of Environmental Affairs, Forestry and Fisheries (DEA) shows an encouraging decline in rhino poaching - 394 rhinos were poached in 2020, compared to 594 in 2019, a decrease of 33%. Despite this rhinos in the flagship KNP remain most at risk, with 245 rhinos poached during 2020.

ifaw applauds the decline in rhino poaching
“Taking a unified approach shows the battle against rhino poaching can be won. Taking on wildlife criminals is tough, dangerous and life threatening. In addition to congratulating the Department and its stakeholders, much of the credit must go to rangers on the front lines and the prosecuting authorities,” said Neil Greenwood, IFAW Regional Director Southern Africa.

“The continued pressure on rhinos in KNP is concerning. As home to South Africa’s largest population of rhinos, the animals will remain a target in the cross-hairs of a poacher’s rifle. We encourage focusing even more on giving management and rangers in Kruger what they need to stop the poachers

Focus on the emboldened.

the KNP is the largest single owner of Rhino in South Africa... That does not change the fact that 70% of our Rhino are on private reserves and it also doesn't change the fact that SAs Rhino population has increased since 2019.

Shma:
Your gimmicks can't work on me, bru. I'm one of those few individuals who can't be challenged easily. Yes, Rhino pp in Kruger alone represents the entire SA. If Kruger is not taking care of her wildlife, then SA as a whole will sink.


Just in case you didn't know.

South Africa’s flagship national park, Kruger, has by far the largest population of rhinos in Africa. Southern Kruger is particularly renowned for white rhino sightings. You’ll need more luck to spot the smaller black rhino, a browser that tends to lurk unobtrusively in dense thickets.

are you fvcking stupid bru? 70% of Rhino in SA are on private reserves,they for one don't border Moz and Zim where most of the poaching comes from and 2 they are much better protected on private farms.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
You are talking about official digital currency. There are more than 5,000 cryptocurrencies so can you tell me none came from Africa before enaira. Anybody with internet and a desktop computer can design his own cryptocurrency. Take a country like turkey where they are over 200 cryptos

SAFCOIN is the first African crypto to actually be listed

Mkenya2019:
The hunting Boer will not like this....Knight & Frank Africa Logistics & Industrial Review

The prime warehousing and logistics
market across Sub- Sahara Africa
has been limited to Nairobi and
Johannesburg. That said, over the
past five years we have seen increased
activity in pockets of Lagos, Lusaka,
Maputo, Addis Ababa, and Abidjan.
Overall, Nairobi has remained the best
performing market over the past year,
recording the highest increase in rents
between 2019 and 2021. Furthermore,
evidence of the city’s rising profile is
reflected in the fact that it accounts
for 50% of new space requirements

At present, we estimate that there are
over USD 400 billion worth of rail and
road developments taking place across
the continent. These developments are
set to drive increased intra-Africa trading.
In Eastern Africa, for example, increased
infrastructure development along the
northern corridor that links Kenya to
Uganda and the Democratic Republic
of Congo (DRC) has resulted in over
150,000 sqm of prime warehousing being
developed in Nairobi alone in less than six
years; almost 90% of all the stock delivered
in this period.

why would this bother me?

mtisTheQubit:
The Boer is just jealous of our animal population growth..

why would I be jealous when our game population is growing by 20% and we have over 30 times more game than Kenya?

Shma:
I gave you 5 links from the wildlife censures report, 2021. I doubt if you bothered to open one. I told you we should focus on the big 5 data from 2017 to date, you disputed that because you want to flow with the debate that will favor you. Now you're here with blogs of 2011-2016 proving the same sh*t. My guy, our animal Population is booming.

Now, what has livestock farming got to do with the wildlife PP surge?

you gave me 3 links... One about elephants, one about lion and one about rhino...... I gave you sources(NOT blogs FYI) one of them was your own government wrt your game population as a whole..... Now here are some more:

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/wildlife-migrations/62746/#:~:text=including%20migratory%20populations.-,In%20Kenya%2C%20wildlife%20numbers%20declined%20by%2068%25%20in%20the%2040,10%25%20of%20Kenya's%20land%20surface.

https://researchfeatures.com/dramatic-declines-kenyas-wildlife-demand-urgent-response/

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-08/02/c_137364322.htm

Shma:
I gave you the proof. Rhino population in SA is declining. You can't escape from this bruh.
https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/environment/27752/expert-comment-rhino-poaching-is-still-a-big-problem-in-south-africas-kruger-national-park

The white and black rhino populations of South Africa’s Kruger National Park have plummeted by 66.4% and 64.5%, respectively, over the last 9 years . There are now an estimated 3,549 white rhinos and 268 critically endangered black rhino left in the national park. These figures for the rhino populations, rather than the statistics indicating the massive decline, were contained in the recently published SANParks annual report for 2019-2020.
You can't be smarter than this professor.

Professor Keith Somerville of the Durrell Institute of Conservation and Ecology (DICE) has commented on how rhino poaching is very much still a problem despite the successes claimed in the SANParks annual report.

Poaching is messing up your wildlife population, accept bruh.

can you not read your own source?? Are you that ret@rded.....it clearly states that the decline is in the Kruger National Park....not South Africa as a whole

Shma:
I know, and that's why I specifically narrowed the debate down to Big 5. You can only determine the Pp of other animals by the increasing rate of the big 5. It's so simple as ABC.

Kenya's wildlife population is not declining. It surged back then when poaching was the norm, but currently, Kenya wildlife PP is booming. Our government has set tough rules to counter poaching and the impact is in the PP boom. What you're peddling is BS, rubbish, and ignorance.

Kindly, expound on stock farming. what do you mean by stock farming is the biggest cause of PP surge?

Your wildlife population is not booming.... Only certain species are increasing.... The rest are declining :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/kenyas-wildlife-populations-are-declining-markedly-as-livestock-numbers-grow-66643

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.kenyamarkets.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Disappearing-Wildlife-and-Rising-Livestock-Numbers-in-Kenyan-Rangelands.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjCi5ib3OzzAhWOi1wKHRQmDtYQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1uxCD779X6nS6QVwbgYSNC

Lifestock farming bru!! Don't you know what Lifestock farming is?

Shma:
You can lie to yourself bruh. Facts are all over the internet.

The white and black rhino populations of South Africa’s Kruger National Park have plummeted by 66.4% and 64.5%, respectively, over the last 9 years. There are now an estimated 3,549 white rhinos and 268 critically endangered black rhino left in the national park (according to latest figures). These figures for the rhino populations, rather than the statistics indicating the massive decline, were contained in the recently published SANParks annual report for 2019-2020. Professor Keith Somerville of the Durrell Institute of Conservation and Ecology (DICE) has commented on how rhino poaching is very much still a problem despite the successes claimed in the SANParks annual report.

https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/environment/27752/expert-comment-rhino-poaching-is-still-a-big-problem-in-south-africas-kruger-national-park

In Kenya, our rhino population as I had told you before is increasing by 5% annually.

"Following a national wildlife census carried out between May and July 2021, the Kenyan Wildlife Service has released a new report showing that the country’s total rhino population has increased from 1,258 rhinos at the end of 2017 to 1,739 rhinos by mid-2021. " Quick math will give you more or less 37%.

Specifically, Southern white rhinos increased from 510 to 840, and Eastern black rhinos (the only black rhino subspecies found in Kenya) increased from 745 to 897. The world’s only remaining Northern white rhinos also live in the country, and their number has decreased from three to two, following the death of Sudan in 2018.

Date Southern white rhino Northern white rhino Eastern black rhino Total
31 Dec 2017 510 3 745 1,258
July 2021 840 2 897 1,739
Sources: 2017 – African Rhino Specialist Group, 2021 – Kenya Wildlife Service

"Another key statistic will only be known at the end of 2021, when we will have the black and white rhino population figures for as of 31 December, as we can then calculate the annual growth rate over this 4-year window. As articulated in Kenya’s Black Rhino Action Plan 2017-21, the target annual growth rate is 5%."
https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino-species/black-rhino/rhinos-increase-in-kenya/

Im talking about the population as a whole not just KNP bru the white rhino population in private hands has actually increased by a whopping 15% year on year.... And since 2012 the black Rhino population is up by 12%.

Shma:
No one disputed the emboldened, we're in 2021, Kenya is now a civilized country, you'll not see primitive behaviors like poaching and the likes, and that is the reason for the high growth rate in our big 5 pp. It's not that other animals Pp have stagnated or declined, we're focusing on the big picture, the big picture is those big 5.

Let's start our debate from 2017.

the big 5 can't survive without the rest bru.... That's how ecosystems work.... Kenyas biggest problem is that your wildlife has no value, it can't be bred and traded and owned privately like in South Africa..... The biggest cause of population decline in kenya is life stock farming not even poaching........literally millions and millions of ex lifestock farms in SA have been rehabilitated to accommodate game since it is actually more profitable than lifestock in South Africa...... That is the reason South Africa has more game animals than the entire African continent combined.

Shma:
Focus on the growth rate, not the number of Animals. It's undisputed that SA has the highest population of rhinos in Africa- unfortunately, they are declining.

actually the population has increased again since 2019 .... Try again bru

Roan77:
What are you talking about hunter?

Im talking about your dyslexia my bru

Roan77:

is that a yes or are you struggling to comprehend the sentence again?..... Uncle JL is here to help young Roan

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Please guess which mall is this

uhm.....Accra Mall...

Roan77:
Again, I don't have that patience for this childish act.

so I'm guessing you have no patience for yourself then?